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Lord Azraiel	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:04:00 - [31] /signed I don't fly battleships anymore and even I don't like this. "I'm comin' for ya, and Hell's comin' with me!"
Lord Azraiel	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:04:00 - [32] /signed I don't fly battleships anymore and even I don't like this. "I'm comin' for ya, and Hell's comin' with me!"
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Joshua Calvert *** and whine, whine and ***, oh look at me, im on the forums again, oh oh devs, ccp, look at my post why the hell should any dev, gm, or ccp read a post just because they are placed in the title, they dont care, they have better things to do than listen to you summon them over trivial issues __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Joshua Calvert *** and whine, whine and ***, oh look at me, im on the forums again, oh oh devs, ccp, look at my post why the hell should any dev, gm, or ccp read a post just because they are placed in the title, they dont care, they have better things to do than listen to you summon them over trivial issues __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:11:00 - [35] Originally by: DJTheBaron Originally by: Joshua Calvert *** and whine, whine and *, oh look at me, im on the forums again, oh oh devs, ccp, look at my post why the hell should any dev, gm, or ccp read a post just because they are placed in the title, they dont care, they have better things to do than listen to you summon them over trivial issues Whereas you, obviously, don't. Now shut the up and go smacktalk in Nonni some more. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:11:00 - [36] Originally by: DJTheBaron Originally by: Joshua Calvert *** and whine, whine and *, oh look at me, im on the forums again, oh oh devs, ccp, look at my post why the hell should any dev, gm, or ccp read a post just because they are placed in the title, they dont care, they have better things to do than listen to you summon them over trivial issues Whereas you, obviously, don't. Now shut the up and go smacktalk in Nonni some more. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Seleene	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:12:00 - [37] I'm with Josh. *SIGNED* - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:12:00 - [38] I'm with Josh. *SIGNED* - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Avon	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree. By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships? Skill progression is a a good thing. Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1. lol, I was actually thinking the same thing as I was driving home Josh, it is a valid point. Maybe they should not be requirements, but I think there should be some type of bonus for having them all, or at least have the bigger gun bonus benefit in some way by from the level of the smaller ones. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree. By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships? Skill progression is a a good thing. Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1. lol, I was actually thinking the same thing as I was driving home Josh, it is a valid point. Maybe they should not be requirements, but I think there should be some type of bonus for having them all, or at least have the bigger gun bonus benefit in some way by from the level of the smaller ones. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree. By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships? Skill progression is a a good thing. Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1. lol, I was actually thinking the same thing as I was driving home Josh, it is a valid point. Maybe they should not be requirements, but I think there should be some type of bonus for having them all, or at least have the bigger gun bonus benefit in some way by from the level of the smaller ones. It would be sweet if the damage bonus stacked I think it's just a bit unfair that a person chosing to specialize in frigates/cruisers has less training time to get his specialization compared to a battleship pilot but then doesn't feel that specialized because every BS pilot has the same skills as him. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree. By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships? Skill progression is a a good thing. Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1. lol, I was actually thinking the same thing as I was driving home Josh, it is a valid point. Maybe they should not be requirements, but I think there should be some type of bonus for having them all, or at least have the bigger gun bonus benefit in some way by from the level of the smaller ones. It would be sweet if the damage bonus stacked I think it's just a bit unfair that a person chosing to specialize in frigates/cruisers has less training time to get his specialization compared to a battleship pilot but then doesn't feel that specialized because every BS pilot has the same skills as him. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Wyckoff	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:24:00 - [43] Originally by: DJTheBaron I apologize for my nubness, my father never showed me enough love I agree. By making players who want to specialize in Large Hybrids also become elite in Small Hyrbids, cheapens the game for those not interested in become Large Turret Masters. In order to drive a Car, knowing how to drive a Bicycle, a Motorcycle and a 4-wheel ATV is not necessary. I should hope that the skills required to fly a Frigate and to fly a battleship are significantly different that one is not necessary to do the other, though I can understand how one would be helpful, and do agree with EVE's game mechanics in this case. But not with weapons and certainly not to this degree. ______________ "I Type with my Tongue"
Wyckoff	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:24:00 - [44] Originally by: DJTheBaron I apologize for my nubness, my father never showed me enough love I agree. By making players who want to specialize in Large Hybrids also become elite in Small Hyrbids, cheapens the game for those not interested in become Large Turret Masters. In order to drive a Car, knowing how to drive a Bicycle, a Motorcycle and a 4-wheel ATV is not necessary. I should hope that the skills required to fly a Frigate and to fly a battleship are significantly different that one is not necessary to do the other, though I can understand how one would be helpful, and do agree with EVE's game mechanics in this case. But not with weapons and certainly not to this degree. ______________ "I Type with my Tongue"
Bretarin Thor	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:26:00 - [45] I always saw tech 2 stuff as means of specialising in an area you are already trained in. i.e. you already know how to use large energy turrets (tech 1), the tech 2 ones mean you are focusing more on them to get better than the average user, there isn't any need for you to get better at using small energy turrets becuase you can already use the bs guns.
Bretarin Thor	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:26:00 - [46] I always saw tech 2 stuff as means of specialising in an area you are already trained in. i.e. you already know how to use large energy turrets (tech 1), the tech 2 ones mean you are focusing more on them to get better than the average user, there isn't any need for you to get better at using small energy turrets becuase you can already use the bs guns.
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:26:00 - [47] I disagree here: 1. The heavy requirements are necessary for the use of those turrets. They give quite a nice bonus, the skill add a bonus, the lvl5 in large hybrid gives a nice bonus too... Having small and medium hybrid lvl5 is like having lvl4 in minmatar frig and cruiser to be able to train for the battleship skill. The Sharpshooter lvl5 requirement is like for elite frigs: there is a main skill required (lvl5 in a race frig) and another skill necessary which has a link with the elite frig (evasive maneuvering lvl5 for interceptors). 2. However 2 skills shouldn't be required imo: small and medium Railgun Specialization. But that's just a matter of view. Admit that you're just too lazy to train up your skill Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:26:00 - [48] I disagree here: 1. The heavy requirements are necessary for the use of those turrets. They give quite a nice bonus, the skill add a bonus, the lvl5 in large hybrid gives a nice bonus too... Having small and medium hybrid lvl5 is like having lvl4 in minmatar frig and cruiser to be able to train for the battleship skill. The Sharpshooter lvl5 requirement is like for elite frigs: there is a main skill required (lvl5 in a race frig) and another skill necessary which has a link with the elite frig (evasive maneuvering lvl5 for interceptors). 2. However 2 skills shouldn't be required imo: small and medium Railgun Specialization. But that's just a matter of view. Admit that you're just too lazy to train up your skill Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
ElricUK	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:28:00 - [49] Im sorry but if I know how to use a large weapon, I dont need to have advanced knowledge/skills of a smaller version of that gun to improve in my use of the large that I know how to use. Please fix the skill pre-requisites for the specilization skills.
ElricUK	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:28:00 - [50] Im sorry but if I know how to use a large weapon, I dont need to have advanced knowledge/skills of a smaller version of that gun to improve in my use of the large that I know how to use. Please fix the skill pre-requisites for the specilization skills.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:33:00 - [51] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 01/09/2004 17:34:54 Originally by: olyyy I disagree here: 1. The heavy requirements are necessary for the use of those turrets. They give quite a nice bonus, the skill add a bonus, the lvl5 in large hybrid gives a nice bonus too... Having small and medium hybrid lvl5 is like having lvl4 in minmatar frig and cruiser to be able to train for the battleship skill. The Sharpshooter lvl5 requirement is like for elite frigs: there is a main skill required (lvl5 in a race frig) and another skill necessary which has a link with the elite frig (evasive maneuvering lvl5 for interceptors). 2. However 2 skills shouldn't be required imo: small and medium Railgun Specialization. But that's just a matter of view. Admit that you're just too lazy to train up your skill I have no issue with training the level 5 small/medium/ large skills. I do have a problem with being forced to specialize in turrets I am probably not going to use. It's not a question of laziness. It's a question of asking yourself, "Why don't elite cruisers need interceptor level 5?" because, at the end of the day, that's equivalent to these turret specialization skills. Skills, in general, don't make sense a lot of the time. Tech II modules require less skills than their Tech I versions...except for turrets/damage related modules? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:33:00 - [52] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 01/09/2004 17:34:54 Originally by: olyyy I disagree here: 1. The heavy requirements are necessary for the use of those turrets. They give quite a nice bonus, the skill add a bonus, the lvl5 in large hybrid gives a nice bonus too... Having small and medium hybrid lvl5 is like having lvl4 in minmatar frig and cruiser to be able to train for the battleship skill. The Sharpshooter lvl5 requirement is like for elite frigs: there is a main skill required (lvl5 in a race frig) and another skill necessary which has a link with the elite frig (evasive maneuvering lvl5 for interceptors). 2. However 2 skills shouldn't be required imo: small and medium Railgun Specialization. But that's just a matter of view. Admit that you're just too lazy to train up your skill I have no issue with training the level 5 small/medium/ large skills. I do have a problem with being forced to specialize in turrets I am probably not going to use. It's not a question of laziness. It's a question of asking yourself, "Why don't elite cruisers need interceptor level 5?" because, at the end of the day, that's equivalent to these turret specialization skills. Skills, in general, don't make sense a lot of the time. Tech II modules require less skills than their Tech I versions...except for turrets/damage related modules? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:44:00 - [53] Well this works out for me since I plan to specialize in Small and Medium...guns, but if I just wanted to specialize in Large this would be a ridiculous treadmill... CCP is really reaching here. ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:44:00 - [54] Well this works out for me since I plan to specialize in Small and Medium...guns, but if I just wanted to specialize in Large this would be a ridiculous treadmill... CCP is really reaching here. ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
Meridius	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:45:00 - [55] I didn't agree at first. I always liked high training reqs for these so less people would have them. After reading Josh's points i see that i'm wrong, it is true that specializing in turrets you are not going to use is completely moot as well as penalizing battleship pilots. However, it does make sense to require some knowledge of small turrets to be able to master a medium or large type. Perhaps requiring lvl 4 small & lvl 4 medium would suffice? ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:45:00 - [56] I didn't agree at first. I always liked high training reqs for these so less people would have them. After reading Josh's points i see that i'm wrong, it is true that specializing in turrets you are not going to use is completely moot as well as penalizing battleship pilots. However, it does make sense to require some knowledge of small turrets to be able to master a medium or large type. Perhaps requiring lvl 4 small & lvl 4 medium would suffice? ________________________________________________________
Avon	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree. By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships? Skill progression is a a good thing. Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1. lol, I was actually thinking the same thing as I was driving home Josh, it is a valid point. Maybe they should not be requirements, but I think there should be some type of bonus for having them all, or at least have the bigger gun bonus benefit in some way by from the level of the smaller ones. It would be sweet if the damage bonus stacked I think it's just a bit unfair that a person chosing to specialize in frigates/cruisers has less training time to get his specialization compared to a battleship pilot but then doesn't feel that specialized because every BS pilot has the same skills as him. Or... Small specialisation gives you a tracking bonus to all size turrets of that type. Medium gives a ROF bonus to all size turrets of that type Large gives you a damage bonus to all size turrets of that type. Stick those bonuses on top of the ones you would get anyway. Oh that would make it worth training them all :) ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Avon	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree. By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships? Skill progression is a a good thing. Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1. lol, I was actually thinking the same thing as I was driving home Josh, it is a valid point. Maybe they should not be requirements, but I think there should be some type of bonus for having them all, or at least have the bigger gun bonus benefit in some way by from the level of the smaller ones. It would be sweet if the damage bonus stacked I think it's just a bit unfair that a person chosing to specialize in frigates/cruisers has less training time to get his specialization compared to a battleship pilot but then doesn't feel that specialized because every BS pilot has the same skills as him. Or... Small specialisation gives you a tracking bonus to all size turrets of that type. Medium gives a ROF bonus to all size turrets of that type Large gives you a damage bonus to all size turrets of that type. Stick those bonuses on top of the ones you would get anyway. Oh that would make it worth training them all :) ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Artean	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:57:00 - [59] Totally agree to this. Think its rather strange they have designed the "specialization" ladder in this way. Perhaps a Dev respons to this matter is in order? ........ There is a fine line between gate camping and just standing by a gate, looking like an idiot...
Artean	Posted - 2004.09.01 17:57:00 - [60] Totally agree to this. Think its rather strange they have designed the "specialization" ladder in this way. Perhaps a Dev respons to this matter is in order? ........ There is a fine line between gate camping and just standing by a gate, looking like an idiot...

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