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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 30/09/2004 19:01:22 Linky
See the above image.
It shows the skill requirements to train for Large RailGun Specialization.
A definition of specialization:
Main Entry: speĄcialĄiĄzaĄtion Pronunciation: "spe-sh(&-)l&-'zA-sh&n Function: noun 1 : a making or becoming specialized 2 a : structural adaptation of a body part to a particular function or of an organism for life in a particular environment b : a body part or an organism adapted by specialization
Specialization is a misnomer because we are being forced to specialize in areas in which we may hold no interest.
Surely it would be a better idea to make the requirements only Level 5 in the associated weapon types rather than force battleship pilots to train up 2 further specializations just so we can gain an advantage in our chosen weapon.
Why should I, as a battleship pilot, be forced to train Small Hybrid/Medium Hybrid specialization just so I can then train/specialize in Large Hybrids?
It goes against the very idea of specialization and, to be honest, I think this is just another silent nerf on battleship users.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 30/09/2004 19:01:22 Linky
See the above image.
It shows the skill requirements to train for Large RailGun Specialization.
A definition of specialization:
Main Entry: speĄcialĄiĄzaĄtion Pronunciation: "spe-sh(&-)l&-'zA-sh&n Function: noun 1 : a making or becoming specialized 2 a : structural adaptation of a body part to a particular function or of an organism for life in a particular environment b : a body part or an organism adapted by specialization
Specialization is a misnomer because we are being forced to specialize in areas in which we may hold no interest.
Surely it would be a better idea to make the requirements only Level 5 in the associated weapon types rather than force battleship pilots to train up 2 further specializations just so we can gain an advantage in our chosen weapon.
Why should I, as a battleship pilot, be forced to train Small Hybrid/Medium Hybrid specialization just so I can then train/specialize in Large Hybrids?
It goes against the very idea of specialization and, to be honest, I think this is just another silent nerf on battleship users.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Parallax Error on 01/09/2004 16:21:15 I quite agree with this. Specialisation in large turrets should only be dependant on the large turret skills, not having medium and small as prerequisites.
Instead of having specialist frigate, cruiser and battleship pilots you'll still have fairly generalised combat pilots.
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Parallax Error
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Parallax Error on 01/09/2004 16:21:15 I quite agree with this. Specialisation in large turrets should only be dependant on the large turret skills, not having medium and small as prerequisites.
Instead of having specialist frigate, cruiser and battleship pilots you'll still have fairly generalised combat pilots.
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:22:00 -
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Agreed! į
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:22:00 -
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Agreed! į
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:23:00 -
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totally agree
i want my frigate specialisations to be 'special' and not just a necessary evil that BS pilots have to get.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:23:00 -
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totally agree
i want my frigate specialisations to be 'special' and not just a necessary evil that BS pilots have to get.
we should have BS pilots who suck in frigates. |
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:24:00 -
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Look, they need at least 2 months to finish tech2 large turrets, thats why
and now more serioulsy, it indeed stinks. Leave the small and med specialisation skills out of it and add something like BS4 and some other BS related stuff f you want to make it hard
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:24:00 -
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Look, they need at least 2 months to finish tech2 large turrets, thats why
and now more serioulsy, it indeed stinks. Leave the small and med specialisation skills out of it and add something like BS4 and some other BS related stuff f you want to make it hard
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:25:00 -
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Agreed.
I really don't see it as Specialization when I've have to train for a ton of other stuff for a long time too.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:25:00 -
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Agreed.
I really don't see it as Specialization when I've have to train for a ton of other stuff for a long time too.
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree.
By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships?
Skill progression is a a good thing.
Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. ______________________________________________
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree.
By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships?
Skill progression is a a good thing.
Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage. ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
![Joshua Calvert Joshua Calvert](/images/people/img15.png)
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Parallax Error Edited by: Parallax Error on 01/09/2004 16:21:15 I quite agree with this. Specialisation in large turrets should only be dependant on the large turret skills, not having medium and small as prerequisites.
Instead of having specialist frigate, cruiser and battleship pilots you'll still have fairly generalised combat pilots.
Exactly. Battleship pilots will now be specialized in weapons use across all classes just so they can use their favoured and most used weapons which surely contradicts the whole point of specializing.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Parallax Error Edited by: Parallax Error on 01/09/2004 16:21:15 I quite agree with this. Specialisation in large turrets should only be dependant on the large turret skills, not having medium and small as prerequisites.
Instead of having specialist frigate, cruiser and battleship pilots you'll still have fairly generalised combat pilots.
Exactly. Battleship pilots will now be specialized in weapons use across all classes just so they can use their favoured and most used weapons which surely contradicts the whole point of specializing.
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Zinke
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:29:00 -
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Well, i kind of disagree.
You need to train simple things to be able to grasp highly specialized matter.
What i don't like is that ccp just makes them high rank skills and force long training upon us.
Further i don't like most of the new (and in some cases specialized skills) becase they have insane requirements that force us all to train same useless skills (what else would be point of requirements on new spaceship command skills).
And before somebody cames and say that i don't need to be able to fly all ships (i only fly gallante) i would like to remind them that this is space game and i am pilot first (as we all are) and then whatever i chose to be in game.
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Zinke
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:29:00 -
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Well, i kind of disagree.
You need to train simple things to be able to grasp highly specialized matter.
What i don't like is that ccp just makes them high rank skills and force long training upon us.
Further i don't like most of the new (and in some cases specialized skills) becase they have insane requirements that force us all to train same useless skills (what else would be point of requirements on new spaceship command skills).
And before somebody cames and say that i don't need to be able to fly all ships (i only fly gallante) i would like to remind them that this is space game and i am pilot first (as we all are) and then whatever i chose to be in game.
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The Sloth
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:32:00 -
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Agreed. However the reason for this probably lies in the fact that CCP wanted the specialisation to have a huge amount of training time. You have to ask yourself this - would you prefer a higher rank (i.e. rank 12) and some other requirement for the skill or would you prefer to spend the same amount of time training and end up being 'specialised' in the lesser skills as well?
The Sloth.
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The Sloth
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:32:00 -
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Agreed. However the reason for this probably lies in the fact that CCP wanted the specialisation to have a huge amount of training time. You have to ask yourself this - would you prefer a higher rank (i.e. rank 12) and some other requirement for the skill or would you prefer to spend the same amount of time training and end up being 'specialised' in the lesser skills as well?
The Sloth.
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![Joshua Calvert Joshua Calvert](/images/people/img8.png)
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:33:00 -
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Small Weapon specialization should require the following skills:
Small Hybrid or Projectile or Laser Level 5. Gunnery 3 Sharpshooter 3 for the long-range specialization/Motion Prediction 3 for short-range specialization
Medium Weapon Specialization should require the following skills:
Medium Hybrid or Projectile or Laser Level 5 Gunnery 4 Sharpshooter 4 for the long-range specialization/Motion Prediction 4 for the short-range specialization
Large Weapon Specialization should require the following skills:
Large Hybrid or Projectile or Laser Level 5 Gunnery 5 Sharpshooter 5 for long-range secialization/Motion Prediction 5 for the short-range specialization
Something along those lines seems more suited to REAL specialization.
If that leaves too little training time, then up the rank of the specialization skill.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:33:00 -
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Small Weapon specialization should require the following skills:
Small Hybrid or Projectile or Laser Level 5. Gunnery 3 Sharpshooter 3 for the long-range specialization/Motion Prediction 3 for short-range specialization
Medium Weapon Specialization should require the following skills:
Medium Hybrid or Projectile or Laser Level 5 Gunnery 4 Sharpshooter 4 for the long-range specialization/Motion Prediction 4 for the short-range specialization
Large Weapon Specialization should require the following skills:
Large Hybrid or Projectile or Laser Level 5 Gunnery 5 Sharpshooter 5 for long-range secialization/Motion Prediction 5 for the short-range specialization
Something along those lines seems more suited to REAL specialization.
If that leaves too little training time, then up the rank of the specialization skill.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:39:00 -
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Im wondering what the stance on new clones are from ccp, we havent heard anything, and i know alot of these new skills, will put alot near the limit and some over it![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
SO what is the use of these skills, when you in the end cannot get a clone that incompasses these new skills.![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif) So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:39:00 -
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Im wondering what the stance on new clones are from ccp, we havent heard anything, and i know alot of these new skills, will put alot near the limit and some over it![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
SO what is the use of these skills, when you in the end cannot get a clone that incompasses these new skills.![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif) So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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![Joshua Calvert Joshua Calvert](/images/people/img7.png)
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree.
By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships?
Skill progression is a a good thing.
Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage.
The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/09/2004 16:29:20 I don't agree.
By that arguement you shouldn't need to train frigates to fly cruisers and then cruisers to fly battleships?
Skill progression is a a good thing.
Anyway, if it is easy to train then everyone will do it quickly - then it will be neither special or an advantage.
The difference here is that I don't need Interceptor 5 (a specialized frigate skill) to train up for Cruiser Level 1.
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Daakkon
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:50:00 -
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contra what?
hehe I agree with you josh
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Daakkon
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:50:00 -
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contra what?
hehe I agree with you josh
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Tindel
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:54:00 -
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Yeah i dont like it either, get the bs noobs away from my small turrets willya
Y helo thar
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Tindel
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Posted - 2004.09.01 16:54:00 -
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Yeah i dont like it either, get the bs noobs away from my small turrets willya
Y helo thar
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