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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.22 07:54:00 -
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I GOT THE ANSWER..
I forgot about this.. its a simple solution to the war dec... let me tell you a story...
MENTL join the gallente and base with WOLFY in and around Tama. So did Arzu and (can't remember the name) but Jaorwits corp.
We shared a intel channel, for setting up gangs, chat etc.
MENTL got war decc'ed by Nights Dawn. As soon as the mail came through WE ALL WAR DECC'ed Nights Dawn. Cost us 50M isk. and 24 hours after MENTL we were all fighting Nights Dawn.
I even remember them wotking with the squids so they could get a massive fleet to come into tama, of course the squids let them down and left them hanging and they all jumped (slowly) in to a turkey shoot.
So there is the solution, if your friends get war decc'ed war dec them back!
AGAIN this goes to everything I want to see in Miltia's. A group of corps working together in their own bit of space, working with each other, defending each other. NOT WHOLE MILITIAs working together, making massive blobs and blocking the sun out with their ships.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:08:00 -
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With that in mind ask yourself what have we done to earn special treatment?
Maybe it's not something heroic, but I spend a monthly fee in expectation not to be lagged out to death everytime there's more than 15v15.
What did the 0.0 guys did to earn the special treatment to be able to fight in bigger fleets? Do they pay more?
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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With that in mind ask yourself what have we done to earn special treatment?
Maybe it's not something heroic, but I spend a monthly fee in expectation not to be lagged out to death everytime there's more than 15v15.
What did the 0.0 guys did to earn the special treatment to be able to fight in bigger fleets? Do they pay more?
Lag is an issue, I doubt anyone will deny that but ccp has acknowledged the problem and is working on a fix. Lps for Vps is a good idea, again I doubt there will be many people who disagree with that one either. However the war decs, occupancy, rewards etc are debatable subjects and as such are unlikely to be high priority fixes for ccp to look at.
And I believe what the 0.0 guys did and have to do every day is fight to keep their space and their benefits, as I said in an earlier post if one of our systems fall how are we effected?
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IronGoldenEagle
Orchestrated Violence
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:45:00 -
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QQ some more 22nd, yall always so funny!
Only problem with FW is the lag. And the people, really hate the people. Except Evil synns, the best alt ive ever had! 
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.22 10:49:00 -
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Nah, I wouldn't say that ccp abandoned FW, its more that they currently abandoned this forums and working on eve in general ^^
I guess they are working on something.. they just aren't telling their customers what they are working on. The rapid growth seemed to mutated them into the typical large company asshats in terms of communication with us.
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Bill Bucanon
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Posted - 2009.05.22 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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With that in mind ask yourself what have we done to earn special treatment?
Maybe it's not something heroic, but I spend a monthly fee in expectation not to be lagged out to death everytime there's more than 15v15.
What did the 0.0 guys did to earn the special treatment to be able to fight in bigger fleets? Do they pay more?
they can let a game master know there is going to be a large engagement, and the zones they are going to engage in will get a dedicated blade.
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Ahura Dracul
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:08:00 -
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Just remove the pve from FW. Who genius thought to include pve into a feature meant for pvp anyway...
In my opinion FW shouldn't be about making ISK/LP but about blowing your ISK away easy and fast. Rewards should be of fame like perhaps most destructive corp gets it's name on the empire pillboards.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.05.22 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Droog 1 on 22/05/2009 16:38:55
There are only 2 things which need fixing.
1-Lag.
2-Complex spawn timers.
Giving rewards for a PvP activity would be game breaking.
Removing docking rights etc would make it harder to have spare ships in the surrounding Systems and would result in less PvP. CCP have deliberately set out to make it as easy as possible to get a fight without having to worry about things like Sov and making Occupancy 'matter' won't improve Faction Warfare one bit.
The only thing people should be concentrating on is how do we get more fights. Having the majority of Systems and Control Bunkers become vulnerable at 14:00 Evetime is not a good start.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:15:00 -
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I've raised many FW issues through the CSM the past year, and I strongly dislike CCP's non-committing attitude regarding everything FW.
* The lag has been very noticeable for over half a year now, yes CCP is "aware of it", but it was supposed to be "wrapped up right after Apocrypha". Well two months later and we still haven't heard anything.
* (RP)Alliances in FW: Sure not everyone might like the idea, but CCP said it would be at the top of the list of (FW)things to implement after the EA launch. Well, almost a year later, still vague "Yeah, CCP will do it at some point". If they would fix this, then it would hopefully fix at least some of the wardec cherry-picking problems that currently plague FW.
* CCP promised "Unique rewards available only through FW" in their pre-launch propaganda, well, where are they?
* "Exciting FW missions where player standings affect mission events and outcomes" Anyone seen any of this?
* Complex spawn mechanics: CCP knows they're broken and said they can use the WH spawn mechanics for the FW plexes, but of course nothing happened.
* Cloaking Exploit - After the POS exploit we were promised that exploit petitions would be handled immediately, sure that must be why my report was untouched for over a month and why the exploit is still not fixed. I rubbed this into their face extra hard at last weekend's CSM-CCP meeting so I hope they assign some hamsters to fixing it once and for all, if not they'll face my wrath at fanfest. 
* Incentives for plexing and system occupation, rewards for kills: Acknowledged issue by CCP, heavily discussed this at fanfest as well, but once again doesn't seem to get any priority with CCP. "We agree this is a problem, but hey, we can't commit to doing anything about it" just isn't acceptable in my book.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:39:00 -
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I've spoken with Ankhe about this and believe she has been on the right path in regards to improving FW. That's why earlier today I voted for Erik for CSM. Still some time left, hope others do the same.
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Atraxerxes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.23 02:40:00 -
[101]
Quite frankly I agree partly with the fact that FW is awesome and I'd hate to see it go, but I also believe that CCP sole reason for FW was to help get their clients excited about pvp, at least enough so to move into 0.0 space where most of the devs spend their playing time.
I think what CCP wasn't expecting was essentially a revolt from it's clients over FW, as it has clearly become more than the launching point for 0.0, as numerous former 0.0 pilots who have a RL and can't do alarm clock ops and hate PoS bashing are deciding to stay in FW. instead of going back to 0.0.
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Capt Thryss
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Capt Thryss on 23/05/2009 07:57:03
for as many posts as there have been concerning FW, the only one I've ever seen CCP reply to is the lag which to my knowledge still has not be completely fixed.
I would really like to see someone reply from CCP with their intentions on FW. I'm to the point were i feel the developers don't care about his game mechanic at all any more.
I would love to see a post full of people asking them to reply and nothing more....no suggestions, no trolling, just asking them to reply. I honestly believe we deserve that much.
I know if I do go to fanfest, I'll be asking why the have neglected FW and the people who are willing to support this aspect of the game.
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:23:00 -
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I go to fanfest, and if they do the round tables again I will make sure its mentioned to ad nauseum and hopefully other FW's will as well (and hopefully buy me a drink as well)!
ALL YOUR DRINK TOKENS BELONG TO ME as I will be camping the bar in a rapier while you are in caracals! 
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.23 14:32:00 -
[104]
I'll be at the fanfest FW roundtables as well, hope to see you there!
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Shpuntik
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:30:00 -
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i was surprised the big fight we had vs the milita along with bydi in suj wasn't covered along with our fight against dark rising with cry havoc in old man star wasn't put up. They were over 100+ involved and lots of ship kills.
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Zverofaust
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:14:00 -
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I agree. It's kind of sad. I was hoping for something more from FW but its pretty much a let-down. Intense lag issues, little purpose... A lot of people have been leaving FW because it's just meh. Neither Amarr nor Minmatar are very interested in capturing systems. It's just blob, lag, go home.
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Procopius
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:02:00 -
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so the biggest mutual problem = lag.
solution = CCP finally springs for another server.
can it be as simple as that?
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.31 09:27:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Procopius
so the biggest mutual problem = lag.
solution = CCP finally springs for another server.
can it be as simple as that?
This kind of lag is bug in code, making new server does not help much.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:03:00 -
[109]
On the wardec mechanics - perhaps the militia itself shouldn't be considered an alliance. But last i heard, you cannot be in militia and a player alliance at the same time, meaning that joining militia forces you to be on your own against anything that decides to wardec you. Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's kinda broken in my opinion.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:57:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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With that in mind ask yourself what have we done to earn special treatment?
Maybe it's not something heroic, but I spend a monthly fee in expectation not to be lagged out to death everytime there's more than 15v15.
What did the 0.0 guys did to earn the special treatment to be able to fight in bigger fleets? Do they pay more?
There was more of them and it went on for long enough for CCP to do something about it.
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:41:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Pesets
On the wardec mechanics - perhaps the militia itself shouldn't be considered an alliance. But last i heard, you cannot be in militia and a player alliance at the same time, meaning that joining militia forces you to be on your own against anything that decides to wardec you. Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's kinda broken in my opinion.
Militia is NOT an alliance and the rules for alliances SHOULD NOT be used for militia.
A Militia is a group of people fighting on the same side, but not always together.
WOLFY fly with a few "like" minded corps in the militia and we have an agreement, if they get war decc'ed we war dec (24 hour delay behind) if we war dec someone they war dec. I means its a WHOLE 2M ISK!
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.31 15:28:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Shun Makoto
If you Troll in this Thread I will Report you.
You report me, I wardec you. K?
PS. Don't whine PvE.
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Citation Registration Commission
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:06:00 -
[113]
Well at least Erik is at it.
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Booby Trap
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:31:00 -
[114]
Now that the last gallante system has fallen how are new caldari players supposed to get standings gains and medals . As I understand it there will be no complexes. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:40:00 -
[115]
I think it's both good and bad that the Caldari have finally capped all the Gallente systems.
It's good because it will finally force CCP to do fix mechanics that have been broken since FW started. It's bad because they've pretty much guaranteed that occupancy will forever being meaningless, and by extension FW as a whole. Barring a complete overhaul of occupancy mechanics, of course.
Failure to do either of these fairly soon will drive down FW participation even lower than it is now - doing nothing will cause a lot of Caldari who've put in a lot of time to emoragequit FW and suddenly slapping the Gallente with a beatstick because they decided not to care about something that was always irrelevant before would do the same thing on the other side. I know some excessively hardcore Caldari militia members would love to say 'We beat the Frogs!' and go home, but that's not what would be best for EvE as a whole. FW still has the potential to be great and free wardecs are always welcome but it could be so much more.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:16:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Pesets on 31/05/2009 18:21:19
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
Militia is NOT an alliance and the rules for alliances SHOULD NOT be used for militia.
I'm not saying Militia is an alliance. I'm saying that it shouldn't prevent you from being in an actual player alliance - which, as far as i'm aware, it does now. Right now Militia works like a half-assed alliance - the game thinks you're in one, except you aren't really. And sure, i can come cry in Militia chat if i get wardecced, and see if anyone cares, but i'd prefer to have other options as well.
Originally by: Booby Trap
Now that the last gallante system has fallen how are new caldari players supposed to get standings gains and medals . As I understand it there will be no complexes.
Do FW missions?
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:31:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Kessiaan
I think it's both good and bad that the Caldari have finally capped all the Gallente systems.
It's good because it will finally force CCP to do fix mechanics that have been broken since FW started. It's bad because they've pretty much guaranteed that occupancy will forever being meaningless, and by extension FW as a whole. Barring a complete overhaul of occupancy mechanics, of course.
Failure to do either of these fairly soon will drive down FW participation even lower than it is now - doing nothing will cause a lot of Caldari who've put in a lot of time to emoragequit FW and suddenly slapping the Gallente with a beatstick because they decided not to care about something that was always irrelevant before would do the same thing on the other side. I know some excessively hardcore Caldari militia members would love to say 'We beat the Frogs!' and go home, but that's not what would be best for EvE as a whole. FW still has the potential to be great and free wardecs are always welcome but it could be so much more.
Why they should fix anything?
There is no more plexes with gallente rats, but nothing else has actually changed.
War continues.
Now it is Gallente turn to fight agains npc and caldari militia, if they want to get systems back.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Citation Registration Commission
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:32:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Bad Messenger
if they want to get systems back.
Chances are big that they don't want them back, no rewards and no consequences isn't a good motivator.
Although the consequences remain to be seen of course, who knows what CCP does tomorrow...
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:39:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Nyphur on 31/05/2009 18:45:02
Originally by: Bad Messenger
Now it is Gallente turn to fight agains npc and caldari militia, if they want to get systems back.
Pretty sure most of the gallente militia don't care about system ownership. And most that are interested lose their taste for capping complexes after being permajammed by the NPCs.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Bad Messenger
if they want to get systems back.
Chances are big that they don't want them back, no rewards and no consequences isn't a good motivator.
Although the consequences remain to be seen of course, who knows what CCP does tomorrow...
That is a big problem. If they do introduce consequences for system ownership now, they'd be condemning Gallente to having lost a fight that for a year wasn't worth winning. Or they could reset FW system ownership, which would have the effect of ****ing off all the caldari corps that wasted their time grinding the downtime-spawn plexes to capture them.
EDIT: For those that haven't seen it, I touched on this issue in last week's EVE Evolved column, entitled "Has faction warfare been abandoned?"
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Swwils
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:53:00 -
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"the benefits of system ownership would be added later "
CCP, Caldari militia are owed 101x of those benefits. Thanks :).
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