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Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 20:57:00 - [1] This isn't about the one specific Militia, its about all of us as people who love Factional Warfare. CCP gave us a feature that they said would effect the state of the game. They lied. We barely get IC Coverage anymore, the Factional Warfare Correspondents barely cover anything. I know they are volunteers but if they are too busy with their "life" then we need more of them to fill that hole. Plexing and Bunker Busting doesn't do anything beyond faction standing grinding. We are always posting in this forum suggestions and ideas about what can make Factional Warfare better but do we get any notice from CCP? No, they're too busy with their precious Null Security Space. Well here's some new for you CCP, we have thousands of players engaging in High Security and Low Security Play and we need some attention from you. So CCP you have two options, straighten up, listen to us and improve this Game Feature that you've half-assed or Get rid of it. I'm not a public speaker type people, please post your thoughts too.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:07:00 - [2] I think the problem with Factional Warfare is the limited scope and lack of goals coupled with being limited to strategic predictability. Pirates don't hang around FW hotzones for the nachos after all. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:22:00 - [3] Edited by: chatgris on 20/05/2009 21:24:37 Edited by: chatgris on 20/05/2009 21:22:53 My thoughts? Improving it is great. I don't even care if system occupancy is changed to mean something and it gives the other side an advantage, it will just give the gallente a reason to plex for something other than pvp (because, lets face it, capturing a system is most efficiently done as a pure pve activity where possible). Having said that, DO NOT GET RID OF IT. I'm not going to 0.0, and I don't wanna go pie for my pvp, or war dec some noob mining corp in high sec for my pvp fix. I am very appreciative for what fw currently is (a way to get lots of GOOD fights from people who actually want to fight), even if it is never changed.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:28:00 - [4] My point is that FW is a broken game mechanic, no one can deny that. There's issues with it. We had to twist so many arms just get them to fix little lag issues with fleets in low security. Its just going to keep getting worse.
Zach Donnell Ghost-Busters	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:40:00 - [5] Don't get rid of it! I believe CCP wanted it to be a way to push people towards 0.0, well I don't want to go to 0.0 I want to stay here. There is a lot of fun to be had in FW, even in its current state, if you know how to find it. But I think a change to the whole occupancy/plex system would really liven things up. Not just so that its "fair" for the gallente (lol - gallente plexers), but a more tangible reward for this occupancy will, at least I think, lead to better fights for plex's. and a revived pvp atmosphere. I used to like this game because of the dev interaction, but Shun, I agree with you, whether it is the fact that they have made no statements on cloaked plexing, or they refuse to acknowledge the problems in FW, its like they just don't give a ****.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Zach Donnell Don't get rid of it! I believe CCP wanted it to be a way to push people towards 0.0, well I don't want to go to 0.0 I want to stay here. There is a lot of fun to be had in FW, even in its current state, if you know how to find it. But I think a change to the whole occupancy/plex system would really liven things up. Not just so that its "fair" for the gallente (lol - gallente plexers), but a more tangible reward for this occupancy will, at least I think, lead to better fights for plex's. and a revived pvp atmosphere. I used to like this game because of the dev interaction, but Shun, I agree with you, whether it is the fact that they have made no statements on cloaked plexing, or they refuse to acknowledge the problems in FW, its like they just don't give a ****. Yeah this is pretty much my feelings.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:54:00 - [7] I challenge CCP here and now to make an official statement about their plans for FW.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Shun Makoto I challenge CCP here and now to make an official statement about their plans for FW. Good luck with that one. What is the exact issue with Factional Warfare that makes it so 'broken'. From what i've been seeing around the low-sec hubs is that it's pretty much alive and kicking.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:04:00 - [9] 1. There's no Dev interaction with Factional Warfare 2. No reward system like the Devs stated they would make (They did say they would make one down the road when they started this project) 3. Plexing while giving a sense of accomplishment does not effect the state of Factional Warfare like it should. 4. We're effectively in the Game Feature Waste Basket. 5. There are still loop holes in the Factional Warfare system, whether plexes (cloaked plexing) or the others constantly mentioned on these boards. 6. Did I mention there's no Dev interaction?
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:09:00 - [10] FW is not broken. It is Gallente morale that is broken. They fight back at the beginning in Ladistier, vifrevaert, some parts of verge vendor, in oms were big figts for plexes. But gallente just finally lost so much in those fight that they have no more guts to come in plexes. Personally i can say that i have had many good fights in fw and most of them in fw plexes. Today was the first day in fw history when there was moment when there was no gallente plex to capture. All were taken. You blaim different things and ask this and that, but it is all about gallente people who just does not want to do anything. Stop whining about fw and go to do something else. You do not need fw for camping tama nourv gate, it has always been camped by pirates.

chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Bad Messenger FW is not broken. It is Gallente morale that is broken. They fight back at the beginning in Ladistier, vifrevaert, some parts of verge vendor, in oms were big figts for plexes. But gallente just finally lost so much in those fight that they have no more guts to come in plexes. LOL. I guess you gotta live up to your corp name :)
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Bad Messenger FW is not broken. It is Gallente morale that is broken. They fight back at the beginning in Ladistier, vifrevaert, some parts of verge vendor, in oms were big figts for plexes. But gallente just finally lost so much in those fight that they have no more guts to come in plexes. Personally i can say that i have had many good fights in fw and most of them in fw plexes. Today was the first day in fw history when there was moment when there was no gallente plex to capture. All were taken. You blaim different things and ask this and that, but it is all about gallente people who just does not want to do anything. Stop whining about fw and go to do something else. You do not need fw for camping tama nourv gate, it has always been camped by pirates. Damn it BM this isn't about Caldari or Gallente. I said that from the start. I'm saying we've been abandoned, the Devs don't care about us anymore. If you don't have anything else to add to this thread but trolling against Gallente then get out. If you post again with another off-topic troll, I'll report you.
StarGlider7 Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:19:00 - [13] Just a mo.... The OP clearly stated this wasn't about any particular Faction. Stop trying to use this valid thread, as either propaganda or simply trolling. Fac War is loved by many people...its just getting a bit "Stale" or a bit "samey". The Fact is, alot of folk have been in FW since its inception, they've prolly covered just about every facet of FW. What we're justified in asking, is where CCP consider taking FW for those (irrespective of Faction) who actually enjoy this aspect of the game.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Shun Makoto Originally by: Bad Messenger FW is not broken. It is Gallente morale that is broken. They fight back at the beginning in Ladistier, vifrevaert, some parts of verge vendor, in oms were big figts for plexes. But gallente just finally lost so much in those fight that they have no more guts to come in plexes. Personally i can say that i have had many good fights in fw and most of them in fw plexes. Today was the first day in fw history when there was moment when there was no gallente plex to capture. All were taken. You blaim different things and ask this and that, but it is all about gallente people who just does not want to do anything. Stop whining about fw and go to do something else. You do not need fw for camping tama nourv gate, it has always been camped by pirates. Damn it BM this isn't about Caldari or Gallente. I said that from the start. I'm saying we've been abandoned, the Devs don't care about us anymore. If you don't have anything else to add to this thread but trolling against Gallente then get out. If you post again with another off-topic troll, I'll report you. Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better. Other issues are minor issues.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:30:00 - [15] Edited by: chatgris on 20/05/2009 22:32:38 Shun, for not being a public speaker kinda guy, you are doing very well. (I especially like your points to bring up to CCP). Now just remove that "or get rid of it" part, and I'll back you up 100%. I'm not saying this because I think that my opinion really matters in the grand scheme of things, but if you are looking for support, I see that one line as the biggest, most divisive stumbling block.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:36:00 - [16] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 20/05/2009 22:32:38 Shun, for not being a public speaker kinda guy, you are doing very well. (I especially like your points to bring up to CCP). Now just remove that "or get rid of it" part, and I'll back you up 100%. I'm not saying this because I think that my opinion really matters in the grand scheme of things, but if you are looking for support, I see that one line as the biggest, most divisive stumbling block. Fix'd How you like it now?
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Shun Makoto Fix'd How you like it now? The alternative makes me shudder in my boots. The moderators will have to bring dev attention to this issue now! Support :)
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:41:00 - [18] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24 Originally by: Bad Messenger Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better. Other issues are minor issues. The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels. But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base. Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Shun Makoto Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24 Originally by: Bad Messenger Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better. Other issues are minor issues. The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels. But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base. Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it. Has there been really so important battles that those should go to news ?
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:53:00 - [20] It ain't broke, your just bored, move on. Its a sandbox.. no one forces you to do your thing. You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which). I want to see CCP hosted killboard stats. FW is great for both these things. Leave it alone, its fine!!!!!!

Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:56:00 - [21] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs It ain't broke, your just bored, move on. Its a sandbox.. no one forces you to do your thing. You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which). I want to see CCP hosted killboard stats. FW is great for both these things. Leave it alone, its fine!!!!!! OMG, this must be fisrts time i agree with EVIL SYNNs
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:58:00 - [22] If WOLFY and PERVS agree on something ... its time to leave FW!! anyone looking for smacking talking pvp corp.. p.s. we don't want to leave tama!
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:00:00 - [23] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 23:03:02 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs It ain't broke, your just bored, move on. Its a sandbox.. no one forces you to do your thing. You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which). I want to see CCP hosted killboard stats. FW is great for both these things. Leave it alone, its fine!!!!!! Evil what the hell did I just say in my original post? This isn't about a single faction, ffs man, FW could be so much more then this, FW could use some simple patches and it could be better. I'm not asking for a complete overhaul here. I'm just asking for the Devs to pay attention to this project that they've seemly left behind. This has nothing to do with my own goals or my Corp's goals.
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Shun Makoto Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24 Originally by: Bad Messenger Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better. Other issues are minor issues. The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels. But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base. Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it. Has there been really so important battles that those should go to news ? I see it that every day a IC report should be released, Factional Warfare should be a Storyline driving feature and it isn't. I mean if you've forgotten we're fighting a War! That's pretty damn important. When I turn on the TV some of the first stories the News stations report is "Enemies in Such and Such place were taken down by Such and Such Army, more news at eleven" This game has a rich storyline which should not be forgotten, we participate and shape it.
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:07:00 - [25] Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 20/05/2009 23:08:54 Originally by: Shun Makoto Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 23:03:02 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs It ain't broke, your just bored, move on. Its a sandbox.. no one forces you to do your thing. You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which). I want to see CCP hosted killboard stats. FW is great for both these things. Leave it alone, its fine!!!!!! Evil what the hell did I just say in my original post? This isn't about a single faction, ffs man, FW could be so much more then this, FW could use some simple patches and it could be better. I'm not asking for a complete overhaul here. I'm just asking for the Devs to pay attention to this project that they've seemly left behind. This has nothing to do with my own goals or my Corp's goals. I read what the hell you said.. WHERE IN MY POST DOES IT TALK ABOUT FACTIONS? You need to calm down dear, get out of the plex, do something different.. your losing it. and I think I speak for 90% of the eve population when i say "NO MORE PATCHES!", can't even go 5 jumps without relogging atm. And why don't you apply to be a ISD? Instead of *****ing.. do something about it? and again I agree with BM.. when has their been something noteworthy in the last couple of months. You can't even get a 20v10 without everyone relogging.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Shun Makoto Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Shun Makoto Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:49 Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 22:41:24 Originally by: Bad Messenger Devs have not forgot us. They are interested about biggest problem in fw , the fw lag. They were with us in that 'lag op' before apocrypha, but they were busy with apocrypha expansion. I am sure that now they have time to fix that lag issue and they are doing all to get thigs better. Other issues are minor issues. The Devs have forgotten us. The lag hasn't gotten much better, there's no call on SiSi to study it further, I don't see GMs or ISD near our battles when they happen, and there's always forewarning, just pay attention to the militia channels. But this isn't just about what they've recently said. They said from the beginning they were going to keep working on Factional Warfare, they were going to make it awesome and they were really excited about it and they were going to keep adding in new and exiting things for us, their player base. Well it seems like CCP was the kid who got the new toy and threw it away when he got bored with it. Has there been really so important battles that those should go to news ? I see it that every day a IC report should be released, Factional Warfare should be a Storyline driving feature and it isn't. I mean if you've forgotten we're fighting a War! That's pretty damn important. When I turn on the TV some of the first stories the News stations report is "Enemies in Such and Such place were taken down by Such and Such Army, more news at eleven" This game has a rich storyline which should not be forgotten, we participate and shape it. Here it is daily report
Shun Makoto Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:11:00 - [27] Edited by: Shun Makoto on 20/05/2009 23:12:19 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs You want to see gallente space all blue/green (not sure which is which). Bolded Italicized and Underlined since you can't obviously can't remember what you typed @BM: I'm talking about the little news excepts that are on the main page everyday. I want a small paragraph telling me what happened, not graphs and charts. (p.s. I'm leaving campus, so you all don't chase this thread to hell, [though it might already be there], I'll be back later)
EVIL SYNNs Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:21:00 - [28] you got me, edited. Now everyone is calm again. the people who post those little stories are players, like you and me. They felt they wanted to contribute to the story. They gave up their own time, for free, to write these stories, about battles, system captures, story lines. And they did a great job. I can link you to the ISD program if you want, I myself put an app in, however it was to report on the great battles we used to have in FW. However those days are gone, not cause there is no one left to fight, but because the LAG! And I can't roleplay, so the capturing systems wasn't worth my time reporting. Do I think CCP are doing nothing about the lag? NO! I think they are working on it. However as I stated above, there are other people who play this game... how long did people ***** about 0.0 lag fests, or the cyno doomsday, or any other crap. CCP have only a limited number of resources, they have to prioritize things and they will get it. Could FW do with better things? FOR SURE, but so could lots of other professions in eve, they are everyone elses priority. SANDBOX DUDE.... you make of it what you will.
Gabriel Darkefyre Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.05.20 23:44:00 - [29] Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 20/05/2009 23:44:06 It's often said that the Dev's see 0.0 as being the "Endgame" of EVE. If that's truely the case then why are so many guys leaving 0.0 to get involved in FW? To bring up that old Sandbox analogy, the Endgame of EVE is whatever you choose to make of it. We're just asking that the Developers provide the same Standard of Shovel to shape that Sandbox for all parts of the Game rather than giving 0.0 All the Shiny, New Shovels while expecting the likes of FW to make do with the Rusty, Damaged ones. For me, Today's Endgame is firmly in FW. Next Month, it may be 0.0... or Empire Mercenary Work... Or Trading... Or Capital Building... Or Wormholes... Or... Or... Well, you get the picture. --------------- Image from Crumplecorn's DesuSigs
Unfamed II	Posted - 2009.05.21 00:17:00 - [30] Fix the lag and I'll start getting blown up in bigger ships. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre



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