If no-one is mining, and the bots are all banned, then how do you expect to pay for your ships in a years time when a cruiser costs 600mil? Or when you have to go out mining to build it....oh wait, you can't do that because you will just get blown up.

I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking.

- I run level 3 missions in Drakes and Damnations and I have enough of both to keep me occupied for the next 20 years. I don't care how much they cost anymore.

No, more and more pilots are getting hooked on the sucker payments handed out by Goonswarm. 100M ISK for every 10 Hulks blown up. Don't make the mistake of assuming that these pilots would be out there blowing Hulks up if there weren't significant rewards on offer. They weren't blowing up miners before Hulkageddon, they won't be blowing up miners after Hulkageddon.

100M ISK for blowing up 10 Hulks is a pretty decent motivator, wouldn't you agree?

It's okay, it will take you much less than 20 years to quit out of boredom.

[quote=Karn Dulake]
Gratz on winning the "war". of course now all you null, whine bears can do what you say you hate. Mine your own ******* minerals. Have fun.

6 years and counting.
When it comes to the waiting games and siege warfare by douchebags, I'm better at this than you. Count on it.

I always believe what people tell me on the internet, without question.

I am soooo scared of your weak PVP skills. Come on and be a man and wardec folks or go lowsec or 0.0 for your pvp. have you gotten about the 0.0 carebear land? oh yeah you have

I know a Goon who is training for a hulk as we speak, so I doubt that us miners stomping out in protest will faze them one bit.

EDIT: Also 1 trillion per month in Tech income alone, so I doubt that they would care about the price of ships anyway.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.

Mining numbers! Average mined per day for the 7 days before escalation: High (2.7bn m3), Low (9.3m m3), Null (696m m3), WH (97.7m m3).

Average mined per day for the last 7 days: High (1.47bn m3), Low (13.8m m3), Null (796m m3), WH (112m m3).

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So more nullsec and WH players are starting to mine... not by much at the moment but I hope we get to see the numbers again at the end of the month.

According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

That barely covers the cost of the gear used to gank them, and when you consider sec status lost (unless you use dedicated gank alts, in which case you're not really after the money anyway), you don't even break even.

And ore prices are rising and ore in short supply?

We're not going to come and whine when some cloaky loki pops our Hulk in nullsec and runs away though... it's an accepted risk if you do stuff like that.

According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

If we were to believe the conventional wisdom among the carebears and the pseudointellectuals of Market Discussions, highsec mining is too vast and pervasive to stop. Prior to the latest round of Hulkageddon, they confidently predicted that gankers wouldn't put a dent in the amount of mining. They were wrong.

Miners have been slaughtered by the thousands, but that's not all. Anti-mining operations are primarily instruments of terror. While thousands of miners died, more importantly, thousands more miners have given up mining. Ordinarily we wouldn't be able to quantify the effect of the latter, and the carebear apologists would be free, in their ignorance, to keep crowing about the absence of any impact. But thanks to CCP Diagoras, we can make our enemies eat crow instead.

I know there are some skeptics who will grasp to the straws of any alternate explanation, so I'll provide a preemptive debunking service here. The mining of ore in highsec did not decline during the measured period due to a drop in botting. Over the relevant period, there was no mass-banning of bots by CCP. Quite the opposite, in fact. My own observations, corroborated by the dedicated bot-watchers in Crime & Punishment, have actually seen a proportionate increase in botting of late; a new network of easily-identified botters is crawling over the belts in highsec as we speak.

What's happened is that the human miners, unlike the bots, became aware of Hulkageddon and have ceased mining. When humans abandoned the belts, the bots became a larger percentage of those left behind, and they stand out more. For example, a new type of ice-mining bot, very common today, flocks in the ice fields. They use an identical ship name scheme (a space before the ship name, easy to spot groups of them using your D-scanner), and they warp out one-by-one if you lock them. I have cleared out entire ice fields with a frigate just by locking up the bots, because there are no humans left mining there.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec. Most people probably thought it was crazy to even consider such a thing possible. Not anymore. We're already more than halfway there!

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking. They see the miners for what they are: targets. And they will prey upon an ever-decreasing number of carebears.

In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

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Note that mineral prices are still coming down from the pre-buildup speculation fuelled by drone poo rumours. Combine that with a lot of people offloading their stockpiles (which is pushing the prices down), and I expect Hulkageddon could continue running for another month before we hit the bottleneck of miners actually mining stuff to produce minerals.

How many industrialists don't have a month or two supply of the things they need to maintain production?

Please show me this 10M ISK catalyst fit.

Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!

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The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.
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... In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. ...