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Nimbus Cloud Liebrum
The Craniac
The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:04:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night. its not a war when the other side isnt and doesnt care to fight. Terrorism would be when people aren't mining due to the fear of gankers being out there. It would be terrorism if, six months down the track, people refused to undock in a Hulk for fear of being ganked. What we have is a riot on the streets, not terrorism. The riot is fuelled by a public competition with awards to people who inflict the most damage.
"Highsec mining drops by HALF"
this isnt a result of fear?
Who put the-á"Viscous"-áin Viscous Pyroxeres? |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:32:00 -
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I would just say this:
1. I used to belt mine, for the low-ends, have a Orca, Hulk, Mack, and had a Skiff at one time but never used it... now, while I still have them, I have not belt mined in something like 14 Months.
2. I used to milk Mining Missions (L4s) for LPs for stuff in the LP store (extremely dull, but it paid the light-bill)...
3. I have since stopped both, because while I am "care-bear" as such, I am into all aspect of the games careers, I did have thoughts about doing "Mining and Production" as a mainline profession, but...
I suppose it will balance out - heck my Orca is now as much as my Providence cost me 3 years ago... 750M or whatever it is now, and then the hulk has doubled or even tripled in value... etc.
SO ... I guess this is a good thing, for me I see it being that once demand and price reach a certain point, people WILL start to produce that, but until then or if it falls they then stop and do something else...
I guess will have to see, I am offline for the HAG5 due to the PC getting a total overhaul... in dry-dock. Def worth watching from the side-lines though.
it's all about the Frame Rate... |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
143
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:17:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:
If you have enough isk and enough income, a second account is free, and with the right machine multi-boxing is as easy as pie.
All you need is plex. And with enough ganking, you can make a living out of it.
Daft much? A second account is not free in the same way that a ship is not free, and the issue is not the amount of processing power in terms of using multiple accounts. If you are terrible at EVE you should at least have the decency not to post.
Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism.
Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á
Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are. |
Spurty
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:26:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Spurty wrote:Yield mined per system should be Available via API.
It's available from the EVE map. Learn what the Industry development index actually means. If a system stays at Industry 5 all week it's a pretty safe bet there is a lot of mining going on there.
Where's the part that gives me numbers. A lot means nothing to me. I want to be able to point and go "Jesus ******* christ, 200 asteroids were mined in system XYZ in the last hour!" who wants to wait a week? Oof.
We have it for NPCs / killed. you can look at to see how busy compared to the rest.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
213
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:28:00 -
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war on mining? More like the war on cheap ships. Hulkageddon is the ultimate masochistic event to ever exist. On a side note, I hope this leads more people to forming corporations and learning how to play safer. D-scan is a rather under used tool.
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:59:00 -
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I'm not going to sit here and try to convince anyone that mining is fun. Fun, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
I am one of those who enjoys mining for the zen feeling. Or, if I'm in Low Sec, I enjoy it by how it grabs my attention and forces me to stay focused, since anyone can jump me at any time.
I do, however, object to the sense of entitlement that the non-harvesters have towards the harvesters.
I don't blame them for it (well, okay, maybe I do a little). For years, Eve has been a game built for the destroyers. In order to accomplish something, it was necessary to destroy. Need Zydrine? Destroy meta 0 loot. Need Nocxium? Destroy Drones. Need Technium? Destroy POSes. Need ISK? Destroy complexes.
This is the house that CCP built and harvesters had to live in. Second class citizens to the destroyers. That has generated an attitude that this is "their game." How dare we harvesters try to make a living here! We should be destroying along with everyone else! We're doing it wrong!
You think Burn Jita, OTECH and Hulkageddon occurring so quickly after the Inferno patch that gave a huge boost to harvesters is a coincidence? It is the destroyers exercising their dominance. Showing everyone that despite what happened in Inferno, they are still the 'true masters' of Eve, that the harvesters and builders are still nothing more than beggars, living at the sufferance of the destroyers.
That is the attitude I despise. Not the fact that harvesters are being destroyed. That happening, the possibility, the freedom that allows such things to happen, I welcome. It is the fact that people think we should be destroyed, that somehow we are an aberration that either needs to be changed or driven out. The attitude that says there is no place for us in New Eden, and that we should not be here, that is what is wrong. |
Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria
T A B O O
16
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:11:00 -
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To be honest i don't see any reasons for a better change for miners unless pve drops are nerfed in terms of mineral profit. Not like its going to happen, so its not like things are gonna get better. Missioning with at least two characters (pve ship + noctis) is so much more profitable than two characters mining (hulk + hauler) its not even nice to talk about it., since the bounties themselfves pays more than mining yield, count in the salvage and we know what NOT to do (mine). |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:29:00 -
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Kreeia Dgore wrote:To be honest i don't see any reasons for a better change for miners unless pve drops are nerfed in terms of mineral profit.
This already happened. Or are you talking about nerfing mission loot even more? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:33:00 -
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Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:
"Highsec mining drops by HALF"
this isnt a result of fear?
Nah, it more to do with the fact half of the barges have exploded. |
Mangold
Born-2-Kill
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:
"Highsec mining drops by HALF"
this isnt a result of fear?
Nah, it more to do with the fact half of the barges have exploded.
Get your facts straight. It's only 4000+ dead barges so far and according to CCP Diagoras 5762 died in April, 5381 died in March. I'm personally surpriced that the difference is so small and I'd expect a lot more dead barges compared to a normal month. That can not explain the drop in high sec mining. I'd say that fear of being ganked is the driving force for this change.
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El Puerco
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:54:00 -
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i dont care either way.. my minerals will sell like crazy thanks to hulkageddon :)
Errare humanum est. |
Loodo Viscious
6th Dimension Research and Development
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 09:36:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:It is still too soon to tell anything. If it rained for three days in a row I swear half the forum whiners on here would be building an ark and begin collecting two of every creature that lives with them in their parent's basement. If it didn't rain for three days they would be screaming global warming, demand a larger tank to store water, and die of dehydration from all the tears they shed.
They are the goldfish of Eve, swimming around New Eden bumping in to mirrors and screaming at themselves for being in the way because their short term memory is about thirty seconds. Like little yapping boot polishing toy-breed dogs they serve little purpose but to make noise, **** the carpets, and on an extremely rare occasion manage to disrupt or kill a much larger dog by getting caught in its throat.
You need to give it time. The Eve economy is a process, not a single act. You need to understand that every change needs time to gestate before coming to fruition. One human can make one baby in nine months. The forum whiners believe that if nine people work together (the Goons) they can make the baby happen in one month. The actual long term effects will still take nine months. In those same nine months you can make a baby of your own, but you want it in two weeks. Unless your last name is Jolie, it probably isn't going to magically appear.
+ 1000000 internets. Facking brilliant. |
Marcin Arkaral
Globaltech Industries
Eternal Evocations
3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 09:58:00 -
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I don't understand how is that a good thing? This will only drive mineral prices up. So if by good, it means that ppl want to pay more for their ship and stuff than its fine with me. |
Selene Theron
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.05.14 10:00:00 -
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Marcin Arkaral wrote:I don't understand how is that a good thing? This will only drive mineral prices up. So if by good, it means that ppl want to pay more for their ship and stuff than its fine with me.
For certain people that is the perfect scenario. 
Its not that hard to grasp if you think about it. |
Kogh Ayon
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
37
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Posted - 2012.05.14 10:01:00 -
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Marcin Arkaral wrote:I don't understand how is that a good thing? This will only drive mineral prices up. So if by good, it means that ppl want to pay more for their ship and stuff than its fine with me.
Much better if minerals were sold by NPC? |
Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises
Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.05.14 10:15:00 -
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Marcin Arkaral wrote:...This will only drive mineral prices up...
Sounds good to me^^ More pay for less work. Tho noxcium was a bit underpriced at one time but saved it and made a 17mil additional profit for no work at all.
Still a cut down to almost 50% on mined stuffs in high sec. Didn't expect that to be honest. Guess more miners need to wise up.
When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
983
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Posted - 2012.05.14 10:53:00 -
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Dreadknoght Lomaree wrote:You are an idiot if you think that mineral inputs droppng 50% is a good thing...
Where do you think that every ship in eve came from? Every ship that dies in hulkaggedon, the miner & the ganker, costs minerals to build. Now, miners in high-sec bring in the largest total of minerals in eve, and you think this is a good thing? You think miners will want to go into low-sec or 0.0 when all of this is going on?
Yeah, lets see you in a few weeks when ships begin to increase in price 10-fold (which means tens of millions of isk for a single frigate!)
And im not even talking about the destroyed modules prices...
You seem to be mistaking us for people too space poor to pay a little bit more for our ships.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
508
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Posted - 2012.05.14 11:18:00 -
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Spurty wrote:
Where's the part that gives me numbers. A lot means nothing to me. I want to be able to point and go "Jesus ******* christ, 200 asteroids were mined in system XYZ in the last hour!" who wants to wait a week? Oof.
The actual numbers don't mean anything. Seriously do you really care if 3001 m3 were mined in the past minute, versus 3478m3? However the industry level implies some numbers thanks to the system decay that has to be fended off to prevent the level falling. To maintain industry 5 you need 12M m3 worth of mining per 24 hours. To maintain industry 3, you need 3M m3 mined per 24 hours. It's up to you to use google and a calculator to figure out the rest. Yeah it's an "average" number, but it's a real number. |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
146
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Posted - 2012.05.14 11:32:00 -
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James 315; "As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP."
LOL, youre mixing us miners up with the Goons 
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
Bittervet Mercenaries
95
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Posted - 2012.05.14 11:32:00 -
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This is the really short version:
- Goonswarm funds hulkageddon with technetium, paying gankers 100m ISK for 10 kills.
- Hulkageddon effectively cuts the amount of mined ORE in high-sec by 50%
Ergo, one broken game mechanic allows the breaking of another game mechanic.
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2012.05.14 12:29:00 -
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Stirko Hek wrote:NickyYo wrote:Eve Orwell wrote:Musashi IV wrote:After reading your post I think your IQ dropped by half to a -5. how does that even work. The only way it could have been halved and ended at -5 is if it went UP from -10. He didn't say it was halved he said half, like half of a maximum IQ and dropped to -5. LOL got to love a goon trying to be inteligent.. What exactly is "half of a maximum IQ"? It also might help if you could spell intelligent, but I dare say you probably share the vacant stare of your avatar and insinuate that you more than likely are vacant in other departments as well.
He means it dropped by half in the same way high-sec mining dropped by half:
x = y
x^2 = xy
x^2 - y^2 = x*y - y^2
(x - y)(x + y) = y(x - y)
(x - y)(x + y)/(x - y) = y(x - y)/(x - y)
x + y = y
y + y = y
2y = y
2 = 1 |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.05.14 12:47:00 -
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Kogh Ayon wrote:Marcin Arkaral wrote:I don't understand how is that a good thing? This will only drive mineral prices up. So if by good, it means that ppl want to pay more for their ship and stuff than its fine with me. Much better if minerals were sold by NPC?
I doubt the mining profession will die off entirely. If prices go high enough, it'd even be economical to mine in a tanked battleship, if necessary. And of course suicide ganking won't effect null and WH mining ops, since they already know how to mind their ships. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.14 13:14:00 -
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If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:42:00 -
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I agree from what I have seen first hand :: the belts are a freakin' set of ghost towns now, and the roidz tend to have max m3. So, yeah, thanks for clearing out the belts! In fact, our scouts have found many wrecked hulks and the presence of Concorde all around us, and yet we mine without harassment. We do see a bunch of guys mining in cruisers, which may well be part of the explanation for the mining reduction.
Having said that, we are mining almost as much as usual, but we do so in a fleet of Rokhs with a Drake as the mining boss (my main). The one drawback is that we must use jet cans, so griefers come around and steal ore from time to time, but for the most part, we get left alone to harvest ore and supply minerals to a hungry public and profit as usual. Our fleet is described here. We recently recruited another guy making it a 3@Rokh + 1@Drake (Boss) fleet. We have always flown Rokhs during HulkaG, but this is the first year we actually formed up a mining fleet due to the atypical one month duration.
Our attitude is that maybe Rokh fleets will get targeted in HulkaG VI, but the gankers are gonna have to spend some ISK and generally function with a coordinated effort to take out a ships(s) with Incursion quality tanks and with omni resists in the 90's. Admittedly, the Drake is the wimpiest ship in the fleet ... but way cheaper to replace than an Orca in the event it is targeted.
So yeah - thanks for clearing out the belts. I'm not sure it's all that good for the economy, but as a statement of having an impact on the game, just look at the empty belts... |
Anastysia
Bluestar Mining and Industrial
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:03:00 -
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Let me see if I have this straight...
James 315 and friends have more or less removed human miners from high sec mining, leaving only bots behind.
Seems odd that they would be leaving bots behind, unless they were behind them. And since the bots are profiting from their actions, well.... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
984
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:35:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested.
It isn't hurting miners, in fact as mineral prices go up newbie miners (who belong in high sec) will be earning higher ISK/hour.
All thanks to James 315 and his ilk's tireless efforts to rid Eve of those overly-experienced miners that should have grown the balls to leave high sec years ago.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena
Star Council
449
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:45:00 -
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The more I think about this, the more absurd it seems. To call it a war implies that both sides have an equal chance at victory.
"If." |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:04:00 -
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Anastysia wrote:Let me see if I have this straight...
James 315 and friends have more or less removed human miners from high sec mining, leaving only bots behind.
Seems odd that they would be leaving bots behind, unless they were behind them. And since the bots are profiting from their actions, well....
There's no need to bring out the conspiracy theories. Hulkageddon is open to anyone. If bots aren't being killed, its because they're better at avoiding/surviving ganks than human miners. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:33:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested. It isn't hurting miners, in fact as mineral prices go up newbie miners (who belong in high sec) will be earning higher ISK/hour. All thanks to James 315 and his ilk's tireless efforts to rid Eve of those overly-experienced miners that should have grown the balls to leave high sec years ago.
I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices? |
Uusuras Oramara
Asemakaavi Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:39:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?
How gracious of everyone. |
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