You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

I do not believe that.

I know for a fact that mineral prices 4 years ago were far below what they are now. In some cases such as NOX by a factor of 10X LESS. By extension, things made out of minerals cost far less as well.

You truly are an idiot aren't you?, you have no clue what you are talking about.

Point 1, If mining in high drops further, the price of minerals will go up and the players will start mining again because it's profitable again, all hulkageddon does is restart that cycle over and over and over again.

Point 2. Miners have influence over CCP? So, you wanna tell me that's why warp core stabilizers are such pieces of crap and are hopelessly impractical on a mining barge ( it decreases range DRAMATICALLY and you need at least 2 of the freaking things ), so that nobody will ever use them for this, which in fact makes them sitting ducks when something costing 1 10th of the price of a barge, locks, scramble's and shoots them.

Time to take off your tinfoil hat mister, if anything, CCP is providing aggressors with more and better tools then it does the industrialists.

Confirming I have no nullsec experience. Oh wait - I do. Seriously I thought I was helping you but hey whatever, stay in high sec then if it's so hard to find a decent nullsec alliance.

This is the consequence of gladhanding away massive amounts of isk to one playerbase and not another. The goons control the economy and they can use that money to control it even more.

And is CCP going to fix it? No, they're just going to make nullsec even wealthier in the future.

it is way easy to suicide gank, when you can use even a coercer with few SP and alpha a hulk you know something is wrong lol sure they don't fit them great but... that is just crazy.

This is the consequence of gladhanding away massive amounts of isk to one playerbase and not another. The goons control the economy and they can use that money to control it even more.

And is CCP going to fix it? No, they're just going to make nullsec even wealthier in the future.

We currently are being boosted by a patch that CCP released which improves refining skills. So any given item will give out 20 times the output. Since we are one of the biggest ratters in the game within the CFC Alliance, it make sense to give us this bonus as we do not mine. It is only exclusive to members of the CFC & Pandemic Legion.

WTF?

WTF?

But, according to your kind, CCP ought to make the game more like the themepark MMOs that are losing subscribers?

Okay.

Posting to confirm goons are the only alliance in null sec and that CCP literally just throw ISK at them. I personally saw Hilmar slipping at least three fitty dollar notes into mittens' thong last night.

In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315

James 315 can not even stop mining in one belt much less one solar system or entire eve.
As for hulkageddon it did not even kill 2% of the miner fleet.

...is what you'd be able to get away with saying, were it not for the fact that CCP Diagoras released official statistics showing the amount of highsec mining dropped almost by half.

Sorry, but this is what happens when we have access to facts.

TBH, the battle between ganking and mining doesn't have anything to do with how tough (or lack of toughness) Hulks are. No matter how tough you make your Hulk, there will be people who will want to gank you. Let's face it, a top notch destroyer costs about 15 mil to purchase and outfit. An entire squad could dedicate themselves to wiping out a hulk and still come out ahead.

And it isn't about if ganking is 'proper' pvp. It's really about in gameplay mechanics.

Basically, the activity of mining is designed to make miners sitting ducks. Fat, immobile, sitting ducks. We can't mine unless we're rooted to one spot, with nothing to protect us. Heck, with default warp points in the system menu, it's like Eve is designed to make it easier for people to gank miners.

This is completely unlike something like PvE, where most missions occur in deadspace areas where you have to at least enter through a gate, or PvP, where you must use your own (or your friends) cunning to get kills.

I agree that once caught, miners should be easy kills. After all, they're industrial vessels, and even the strongest civilian ship pales in resilience to many military craft. But it should be harder to catch us than *warp to belt...kill...move on*.

...is what you'd be able to get away with saying, were it not for the fact that CCP Diagoras released official statistics showing the amount of highsec mining dropped almost by half.

Sorry, but this is what happens when we have access to facts.

High sec mining dropped by half? No way. Man you must have killed half the hulks in existence. And those efforts by CCP to ban RMT bots have not been effective at all, even though they have made at least 3 devblogs about their new efforts to root out a source of money they could be ra... I mean receiving in exchange for game time.

Here's some more numbers, 2 months ago CCP banned 150 accounts in one swoop of the ban bat, then in the following 2 days banned another 450ish accounts. These were reported to drive up awareness and make the EVE community aware of a new focus, that of continual banning instead of quarterly banning based on economic data dumps from the game's database. The last estimate I heard was over 30 trillion in isk and assets was removed from game. You are TOTALLY right, this had ZERO effect and your killing of 4000 hulks totally reduced the number of active mining accounts by half.

Just to throw out some numbers, it is typically considered insignificant if the error bound is less than 10% of the measured value. Hulkageddon accounts for 4000ish kills, CCP banned 500 *ACCOUNTS*, so assuming that those 4000 kills resulted in those individuals nerd rage quitting and leaving mining altogether, your efforts are still affected by CCP ban-bat in a significant way.

Mineral prices as a whole have spiked, not just high sec ores, your efforts are focused on high sec miners. How can you effect low/null sec ores and minerals by attacking high sec? The logic is non existent, if anything their prices would drop in percentages not equal to other mineral prices since the restricting factor on ship manufacture will be high sec ores leaving an abundance of low/null sec. However, this is not the case. Null sec ore/mineral price spiked with the high sec ore/mineral prices, suggesting a disconnect between efforts against high sec and the market forces.

Your hypothesis doesn't account for the drop in market prices, however, market prospecting does. Individuals have purchased up significant amounts of minerals to hedge losses from changes in the patch and to gain advantage as the mineral markets are expected to settle at a higher mark with the significant reduction in mining by gun. The purchase of minerals produced a market bubble which was used by some to quantify their efforts at hurting mining, yet the total volume of minerals on market is significantly larger than the volume of minerals produced in the game per month.

Heres the truth of the matter. There exists more in stock piles and reserves of rich players/corps/alliances than can be produced in any short term, ie months. This produces significant lag in the system. The rise/drop in prices is more closely linked to market prospecting by very wealthy individuals about the up coming patch (ie change of looting system...)


Go ahead and continue to believe that your efforts are making more than a drop in the bucket, and I will continue to observe purchases of minerals in the billions from high sec mining corps.