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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:43:00 -
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Uusuras Oramara wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices? How gracious of everyone. Sorry, didn't get you there... Were you trolling? |
baltec1
1162
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:50:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote: I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?
Hasn't stopped them in the past 9 years. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jake Warbird wrote: I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?
Hasn't stopped them in the past 9 years. But isn't this the most successful Hulkageddon yet? Or have miners been killed in the same magnitude since Eve went online? Just trying to figure things out ofc. So I can tell the guys who mine in my corp. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:07:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote: I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?
How many suicide ganks of mining frigates/cruisers have you seen? Gankers primarily target Hulks and Mackinaws. Anyone flying those aren't new miners.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:11:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Jake Warbird wrote: I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?
How many suicide ganks of mining frigates/cruisers have you seen? Gankers primarily target Hulks and Mackinaws. Anyone flying those aren't new miners. Yeah, I guess you could be right. Well, nothing more from me on it. Just asking a few questions is all. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
985
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:14:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested. It isn't hurting miners, in fact as mineral prices go up newbie miners (who belong in high sec) will be earning higher ISK/hour. All thanks to James 315 and his ilk's tireless efforts to rid Eve of those overly-experienced miners that should have grown the balls to leave high sec years ago. I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices? Yes, because the genuine newbies are not the ones getting ganked. I mean very rarely do you see anyone target one of the mining frigates/cruisers, or even covetors.
And as for people claiming hulk pilots are newbies: Seriously go away. It takes like two months just to sit in one. If you've been playing Eve for months you should have by that point gotten used to the idea that you might occasionally die if you don't pay attention.
All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1135
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:19:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested. It isn't hurting miners, in fact as mineral prices go up newbie miners (who belong in high sec) will be earning higher ISK/hour. All thanks to James 315 and his ilk's tireless efforts to rid Eve of those overly-experienced miners that should have grown the balls to leave high sec years ago. I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices? Yes, because the genuine newbies are not the ones getting ganked. I mean very rarely do you see anyone target one of the mining frigates/cruisers, or even covetors. And as for people claiming hulk pilots are newbies: Seriously go away. It takes like two months just to sit in one. If you've been playing Eve for months you should have by that point gotten used to the idea that you might occasionally die if you don't pay attention. All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.
Yep, I understand. Thank you for taking the time to type out a reply. There are more than a few guys mining in the corp I am in right now. I just wanted to get all sides of an argument before I talked to them. They are pretty old and hence a bit stubborn. Just wanted to let them know what it's really all about. |
baltec1
1162
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:22:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jake Warbird wrote: I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?
Hasn't stopped them in the past 9 years. But isn't this the most successful Hulkageddon yet? Or have miners been killed in the same magnitude since Eve went online? Just trying to figure things out ofc. So I can tell the guys who mine in my corp.
There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1135
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.
Lol,yeah I see that everyday. Some fits are truly bad! But does fitting for tank solve the problem or do they just bring more firepower? |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
328
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:31:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:baltec1 wrote: There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.
Lol,yeah I see that everyday. Some fits are truly bad! But does fitting for tank solve the problem or do they just bring more firepower?
they gank the untanked hulk next to you instead eh |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1135
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:35:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:baltec1 wrote: There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.
Lol,yeah I see that everyday. Some fits are truly bad! But does fitting for tank solve the problem or do they just bring more firepower? they gank the untanked hulk next to you instead Hehe,gotcha. Thank you for being patient everyone. I hope to see less people lose mining barges from corp. |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:47:00 -
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I have afk mined every single day this month (and most days last month). I haven't even been targeted let alone shot at, I think remember I am pretty afk, but definitely haven't died or been taken into armor. If you're flying a Hulk during Hulkageddon you deserve to lose it. If you lose even one Hulk you made a lot less profit than the dude in the covetor who lost no ships. People don't waste nados on Covetors, and single destroyers are easily foiled by a slight tank.
I usually don't afk mine (only have mining barge iv and the skill with an A that increases mining yield at iv.), but the profits are much higher than usually. Although I don't think highly of internet bullies or gankers as they're called in eve, I do enjoy profiting off their douchebaggery. |
Ammatar IV
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:57:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Ammatar IV wrote:
Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...
If you guys want people to come out, you sure don't act like it.
Rubbish. We take willing people with far less skill. It's all about attitude not skill-points. A rifter with a point in the hands of a gutsy player will do far more damage than a 100M sp player in a shiny multi-billion isk T3 ship that warps away to a safe-spot at the first sign of trouble. You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec.
Thank you for letting me know how I really feel, I appreciate it Please, I hope you come in pocket size so I can take you everywhere; I need someone to let me know what to say and why I is clueless noob otherwise, oh mighty internet spaceship hero, have mercy on my pitiful soul.
I've attempted joining null sec corps, have been scammed and denied, have gone in solo and been popped and chased and shouted out of peoples "property." But I'm going to try the Foreign Legion this time. So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
986
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:06:00 -
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Ammatar IV wrote:Ptraci wrote:Ammatar IV wrote:
Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...
If you guys want people to come out, you sure don't act like it.
Rubbish. We take willing people with far less skill. It's all about attitude not skill-points. A rifter with a point in the hands of a gutsy player will do far more damage than a 100M sp player in a shiny multi-billion isk T3 ship that warps away to a safe-spot at the first sign of trouble. You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec. Thank you for letting me know how I really feel, I appreciate it Please, I hope you come in pocket size so I can take you everywhere; I need someone to let me know what to say and why I is clueless noob otherwise, oh mighty internet spaceship hero, have mercy on my pitiful soul. I've attempted joining null sec corps, have been scammed and denied, have gone in solo and been popped and chased and shouted out of peoples "property." But I'm going to try the Foreign Legion this time. So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace. Either that or, as Ptraci pointed out, it really is all about attitude. Your attitude just happens to be that of an incurably dense asshat, which is why null sec players scam and kill you at every opportunity.
I've run low sec and null sec alliances, and we used to let in pretty much anybody if they were willing to learn. Hell we even had a few awoxxers we kept with us in taboo, they ended up helping us hot drop a few people before we got supercaps of our own.
Basically try being less of a douche, maybe then you'll make some friends and you won't be blindly chased out of any alliance you try to join.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ammatar IV
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:36:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:[quote=Ammatar IV][quote=Ptraci][quote=Ammatar IV]
Basically try being less of a douche, maybe then you'll make some friends and you won't be blindly chased out of any alliance you try to join.
Someone accuses me of "just making stuff up" and speaks for me without any knowledge...so I have an angered response. Must be a douche Sorry, I'll go take care of female hygiene needs now I guess
Also, when arguing that someone is too "douchey", it would be nice to avoid using terms like "dense asshat" to describe people you've never met or spoken to, it sets up a bit of a double standard. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
986
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:59:00 -
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Ammatar IV wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:[quote=Ammatar IV][quote=Ptraci][quote=Ammatar IV]
Basically try being less of a douche, maybe then you'll make some friends and you won't be blindly chased out of any alliance you try to join. Someone accuses me of "just making stuff up" and speaks for me without any knowledge...so I have an angered response. Must be a douche Sorry, I'll go take care of female hygiene needs now I guess Also, when arguing that someone is too "douchey", it would be nice to avoid using terms like "dense asshat" to describe people you've never met or spoken to, it sets up a bit of a double standard. I am also a douche, I am quite comfortable with this fact.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
RomeStar
Space Harpes
11
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:18:00 -
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As an Indy pilot I think this is great. I wish they would do hulkageddon every month just for the simple fact it eliminates the competition, and drives mineral prices through the rooof. |
Mangold
Born-2-Kill Northern Coalition.
5
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:27:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.
Why? |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
424
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:28:00 -
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I came in expecting another stupid manifesto... Was pleasantly surprised to see evidence that his mommy is curtailing his online time.
Makes as much sense as his logic...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Char Amadeus
Retardation Outsmarted Me
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:29:00 -
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Is it wrong that I hear Hulkageddon and think "SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM!"?
On a serious note, I support it, because it proves that the EVE universe is truly open and player controlled (within the bounds of the agreements we click "Accept" on). Also, if you can get a nice ship, expand outside of the noob zone. As a noob, I can honestly say it's irritating to share a belt with ships that cost more than I've ever made. I believe that violates the "fairness" preached about throughout this topic. People that know what they're doing should primarily operate in low-sec (unless they're teaching a noob how to not suck).
Also, why is everyone getting so emotional and personal about this? It's a game. I don't go on forums and call people retards when I get my ass beat by an invader in Dark Souls. I simply proclaim "damn" (loudly), and move on. If I start getting too passionate about the issue, I take a hiatus to cool off. On that same note, it's just as bad to proclaim people who play a certain way to be ********. Some people like the industry part of the game. It should be accepted that some people like CoD, and others like Sim City. One shouldn't speak down on the profession of another, even if that profession turns you into space dust every now and again. |
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:37:00 -
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all events like this, are just killboard efficiency whoring, for a bunch of bored internet spaceship nerds |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
348
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:53:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:all events like this, are just killboard efficiency whoring, for a bunch of bored internet spaceship nerds
... with much profit to be had if you plan. The Unified Inventory system for Inferno, which I would recommend everybody tryon SiSi, is going to be the next 'Door' for CCP. What it adds is worthless when we lose so much functionality.-á |
TravisWB
The Gallente Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:42:00 -
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Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.
Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.
This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.
GOONSVERSE.
What you are actually witnessing is the Goons intentionally and actualy destroying EVE.
Why CCP does not see the obvious malicious intent here is simply stupifying. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:47:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.
Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.
This is the current anti-noob version of EVE. GǪexcept that the GÇ£current anti-noob versionGÇ¥ has pretty much the same ship prices as the supposedly GÇ£noob friendlyGÇ¥ EVE of four years ago. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
TravisWB
The Gallente Rangers
47
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TravisWB wrote:Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.
Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.
This is the current anti-noob version of EVE. GǪexcept that the Gǣcurrent anti-noob versionGǥ has pretty much the same ship prices as the supposedly Gǣnoob friendlyGǥ EVE of four years ago.
You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6761
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:01:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place? You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?
Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:05:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.
Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.
This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.
GOONSVERSE.
What you are actually witnessing is the Goons intentionally and actualy destroying EVE.
Why CCP does not see the obvious malicious intent here is simply stupifying.
Suggestion - go into kitchen, grab some tin foil, fold into hat, put on head. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
508
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:18:00 -
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Ammatar IV wrote: So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace.
Confirming I have no nullsec experience. Oh wait - I do. Seriously I thought I was helping you but hey whatever, stay in high sec then if it's so hard to find a decent nullsec alliance. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
970
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.
Plus, it's a whole lot easier for that new player to make 50M ISK to buy the hull then it was 4 years ago. Especially if they take advantage of newer features like Planetary Interaction, or take advantage of the rise in mineral costs. All that extra ISK floating around in older player's wallets mean that they are willing to pay more for others to do the 'scut' work of EVE.
Sure, the fixed income stuff like mission running isn't as good as it used to be, but as with every 'mature' MMO market, there's always ISK to be made in the resource gathering fields (mining, PI, exploration). Get your ISK from other players, not the NPCs. |
Jessica Sweetwater
Novindus Equilibrium Frentix Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:03:00 -
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And what james?
All you've done si drive the prices of everything sky high
Keep it up because soon even you wont be able to fit a bc out t2 without spending 100mil+
Then ull be here bitching about prices
Your idiots, plain and simple
Empire is where you buy your stuff, all uve done, is broken the market and your to stupid to see the consequences |
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