As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.

I hope this is true. For no other reason that it would be wonderful to experience an adventurous change in the market even if for a short while. Let us see what industry is made of.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking. They see the miners for what they are: targets. And they will prey upon an ever-decreasing number of carebears.

In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315

look at all the miners thinking that there isn't a huge amount of stockpiled minerals

Yeah, cause stockpiles are automatically self-replenishing.

Where do you think that every ship in eve came from? Every ship that dies in hulkaggedon, the miner & the ganker, costs minerals to build. Now, miners in high-sec bring in the largest total of minerals in eve, and you think this is a good thing? You think miners will want to go into low-sec or 0.0 when all of this is going on?

please continue to overestimate your value to the health of the economy

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec.

I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.

If no-one is mining, and the bots are all banned, then how do you expect to pay for your ships in a years time when a cruiser costs 600mil? Or when you have to go out mining to build it....oh wait, you can't do that because you will just get blown up.

I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking.

- I run level 3 missions in Drakes and Damnations and I have enough of both to keep me occupied for the next 20 years. I don't care how much they cost anymore.

No, more and more pilots are getting hooked on the sucker payments handed out by Goonswarm. 100M ISK for every 10 Hulks blown up. Don't make the mistake of assuming that these pilots would be out there blowing Hulks up if there weren't significant rewards on offer. They weren't blowing up miners before Hulkageddon, they won't be blowing up miners after Hulkageddon.

100M ISK for blowing up 10 Hulks is a pretty decent motivator, wouldn't you agree?

It's okay, it will take you much less than 20 years to quit out of boredom.

[quote=Karn Dulake]
Gratz on winning the "war". of course now all you null, whine bears can do what you say you hate. Mine your own ******* minerals. Have fun.

6 years and counting.
When it comes to the waiting games and siege warfare by douchebags, I'm better at this than you. Count on it.

I always believe what people tell me on the internet, without question.

I am soooo scared of your weak PVP skills. Come on and be a man and wardec folks or go lowsec or 0.0 for your pvp. have you gotten about the 0.0 carebear land? oh yeah you have

I know a Goon who is training for a hulk as we speak, so I doubt that us miners stomping out in protest will faze them one bit.

EDIT: Also 1 trillion per month in Tech income alone, so I doubt that they would care about the price of ships anyway.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.

Mining numbers! Average mined per day for the 7 days before escalation: High (2.7bn m3), Low (9.3m m3), Null (696m m3), WH (97.7m m3).

Average mined per day for the last 7 days: High (1.47bn m3), Low (13.8m m3), Null (796m m3), WH (112m m3).

source

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So more nullsec and WH players are starting to mine... not by much at the moment but I hope we get to see the numbers again at the end of the month.

According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

That barely covers the cost of the gear used to gank them, and when you consider sec status lost (unless you use dedicated gank alts, in which case you're not really after the money anyway), you don't even break even.

And ore prices are rising and ore in short supply?

We're not going to come and whine when some cloaky loki pops our Hulk in nullsec and runs away though... it's an accepted risk if you do stuff like that.

According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

If we were to believe the conventional wisdom among the carebears and the pseudointellectuals of Market Discussions, highsec mining is too vast and pervasive to stop. Prior to the latest round of Hulkageddon, they confidently predicted that gankers wouldn't put a dent in the amount of mining. They were wrong.

Miners have been slaughtered by the thousands, but that's not all. Anti-mining operations are primarily instruments of terror. While thousands of miners died, more importantly, thousands more miners have given up mining. Ordinarily we wouldn't be able to quantify the effect of the latter, and the carebear apologists would be free, in their ignorance, to keep crowing about the absence of any impact. But thanks to CCP Diagoras, we can make our enemies eat crow instead.

I know there are some skeptics who will grasp to the straws of any alternate explanation, so I'll provide a preemptive debunking service here. The mining of ore in highsec did not decline during the measured period due to a drop in botting. Over the relevant period, there was no mass-banning of bots by CCP. Quite the opposite, in fact. My own observations, corroborated by the dedicated bot-watchers in Crime & Punishment, have actually seen a proportionate increase in botting of late; a new network of easily-identified botters is crawling over the belts in highsec as we speak.

What's happened is that the human miners, unlike the bots, became aware of Hulkageddon and have ceased mining. When humans abandoned the belts, the bots became a larger percentage of those left behind, and they stand out more. For example, a new type of ice-mining bot, very common today, flocks in the ice fields. They use an identical ship name scheme (a space before the ship name, easy to spot groups of them using your D-scanner), and they warp out one-by-one if you lock them. I have cleared out entire ice fields with a frigate just by locking up the bots, because there are no humans left mining there.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec. Most people probably thought it was crazy to even consider such a thing possible. Not anymore. We're already more than halfway there!

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking. They see the miners for what they are: targets. And they will prey upon an ever-decreasing number of carebears.

In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315

Note that mineral prices are still coming down from the pre-buildup speculation fuelled by drone poo rumours. Combine that with a lot of people offloading their stockpiles (which is pushing the prices down), and I expect Hulkageddon could continue running for another month before we hit the bottleneck of miners actually mining stuff to produce minerals.

How many industrialists don't have a month or two supply of the things they need to maintain production?

Please show me this 10M ISK catalyst fit.

Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!

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The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.
...

... In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. ...

Catalyst: 1.4m
Light Neutron Blaster II: 1.3m*8=10.4m
Gunnery Mods: 3 million
Everything Else: ~ a few hundred thousand

Total Value: 15 million
Surviving Mods: 6.8 million, assuming 50% survival rate for modules
Sunk Cost: 8.2 million per Catalyst

We are at war?

Anyhow, a guy with that much time on his hands would be useful to any organization.

Please inquire for a job at Kor-Azor Prime, Moon Griklaeum, Ishukone Corporation Factory, we still need someone to count our minerals (doing something useful for a achange).

We would hope so, the less unwanted competitors the better. We can already feel the higher minerals prices in our wallet. Though I still see to many competitors where we operate.

I'm waiting...

... still ...

... perhaps some of those fabled Hulkageddon gankers would care to show up one day?

You're doing it wrong. Switching from T2 to T1 means you can use 2 catalysts for this job, and afford an Orca full of Catalysts for the same price as those guns of yours.

Now factor in the salvage and loot from the Hulk or Mackinaw you just killed.

It's really not that hard to do it right.

You're doing it wrong. Switching from T2 to T1 means you can use 2 catalysts for this job, and afford an Orca full of Catalysts for the same price as those guns of yours.

Now factor in the salvage and loot from the Hulk or Mackinaw you just killed.

It's really not that hard to do it right.

I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.

...
My own observations, corroborated by the dedicated bot-watchers in Crime & Punishment, have actually seen a proportionate increase in botting of late; a new network of easily-identified botters is crawling over the belts in highsec as we speak.

What's happened is that the human miners, unlike the bots, became aware of Hulkageddon and have ceased mining. When humans abandoned the belts, the bots became a larger percentage of those left behind, and they stand out more. For example, a new type of ice-mining bot, very common today, flocks in the ice fields. They use an identical ship name scheme (a space before the ship name, easy to spot groups of them using your D-scanner), and they warp out one-by-one if you lock them. I have cleared out entire ice fields with a frigate just by locking up the bots, because there are no humans left mining there.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.
- 315

Yes, and another account is free of charge, right? Not to mention the time inefficiency and increased risk factor of using multiple accounts.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.

These are great days we're living, bros. We are jolly green goons, walking New Eden with guns. These people we wasted here this month are the finest miners we will ever know. After we rotate back to Deklein, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting.

Whilst it is commendable that miners are trying ganking, your appear to have missed one vital thing. If no-one is mining, and the bots are all banned, then how do you expect to pay for your ships in a years time when a cruiser costs 600mil? Or when you have to go out mining to build it....oh wait, you can't do that because you will just get blown up.

Perhaps OP could explain the drop in mineral prices? And the fact that whole areas of Eve Highsec seem to have tons of miners...?

Perhaps OP could explain the drop in mineral prices? And the fact that whole areas of Eve Highsec seem to have tons of miners...?

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec. Most people probably thought it was crazy to even consider such a thing possible. Not anymore. We're already more than halfway there!

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. 1 Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. 2 As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

inb4 the same people who think pvp is the entire game complains that a cruiser costs as much as a plex.

I hope every single high-sec miner rage-quits in tears. Until they do, I'll be upping my ransom prices on T1 hulls, which are finally worth something.

Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!

EVE is at its best when people take the galaxy and put it upon its head. Nothing in this game beats adding another "remember that time when..."


Start by making refining and reprocessing) done by slots. Then make rent dynamic like offices.

Its more like my paycheck has been doubled but the price of bread has tripled.

Its more like my paycheck has been doubled but the price of bread has tripled.

Dramaqueen. That's how the game was in the beginning anyway and it was pretty awesome.

According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

If we were to believe the conventional wisdom among the carebears and the pseudointellectuals of Market Discussions, highsec mining is too vast and pervasive to stop. Prior to the latest round of Hulkageddon, they confidently predicted that gankers wouldn't put a dent in the amount of mining. They were wrong.

Miners have been slaughtered by the thousands, but that's not all. Anti-mining operations are primarily instruments of terror. While thousands of miners died, more importantly, thousands more miners have given up mining. Ordinarily we wouldn't be able to quantify the effect of the latter, and the carebear apologists would be free, in their ignorance, to keep crowing about the absence of any impact. But thanks to CCP Diagoras, we can make our enemies eat crow instead.

I know there are some skeptics who will grasp to the straws of any alternate explanation, so I'll provide a preemptive debunking service here. The mining of ore in highsec did not decline during the measured period due to a drop in botting. Over the relevant period, there was no mass-banning of bots by CCP. Quite the opposite, in fact. My own observations, corroborated by the dedicated bot-watchers in Crime & Punishment, have actually seen a proportionate increase in botting of late; a new network of easily-identified botters is crawling over the belts in highsec as we speak.

What's happened is that the human miners, unlike the bots, became aware of Hulkageddon and have ceased mining. When humans abandoned the belts, the bots became a larger percentage of those left behind, and they stand out more. For example, a new type of ice-mining bot, very common today, flocks in the ice fields. They use an identical ship name scheme (a space before the ship name, easy to spot groups of them using your D-scanner), and they warp out one-by-one if you lock them. I have cleared out entire ice fields with a frigate just by locking up the bots, because there are no humans left mining there.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec. Most people probably thought it was crazy to even consider such a thing possible. Not anymore. We're already more than halfway there!

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking. They see the miners for what they are: targets. And they will prey upon an ever-decreasing number of carebears.

In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315

That's no big problem considering your paycheck probably has been doubled quite a few years in a row.

Yay, sure the 350 people CCP has hired since then will think exaclty the same about CCP losing the income that justifies their paychecks...

Dramaqueen. That's how the game was in the beginning anyway and it was pretty awesome.

You're winning a "war" against mining ships? Man. I'll notify Sun Tzu. I'm sure he'll be impressed. A war against mining ships! I wonder how you'd do against garbage trucks! (I shudder to think!)

Yes, and another account is free of charge, right? Not to mention the time inefficiency and increased risk factor of using multiple accounts.

highsec miners

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.

Yay, sure the 350 people CCP has hired since then will think exaclty the same about CCP losing the income that justifies their paychecks...

You're winning a "war" against mining ships? Man. I'll notify Sun Tzu. I'm sure he'll be impressed. A war against mining ships! I wonder how you'd do against garbage trucks! (I shudder to think!)

Bring on the irrelevant arguments! That's right folks, step this way and we'll start a discussion about how ganking hulks is an income generation mechanism measured in ISK/hr! No longer is it sufficient to not go backwards when ganking hulks, no siree! Now the argument has changed to "ganking hulks to collect the Goonswarm bounty isn't as profitable as mining!"

Step right up, see who can reduce the argument to the most absurd statements!

After reading your post I think your IQ dropped by half to a -5.

how does that even work. The only way it could have been halved and ended at -5 is if it went UP from -10.

When you kill eve and there is no targets left, don't go crying to CCP.

Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...

He didn't say it was halved he said half, like half of a maximum IQ and dropped to -5.

LOL got to love a goon trying to be inteligent..

yeah, that makes even less sense than the original statement

He didn't say it was halved he said half, like half of a maximum IQ and dropped to -5.

LOL got to love a goon trying to be inteligent..

Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...

If you guys want people to come out, you sure don't act like it.

I'm sure those people look at their subscription numbers, not what forum clowns think.

Why? Because those numbers show an increase where all other MMOs are shedding subscribers.

But, according to your kind, CCP ought to make the game more like the themepark MMOs that are losing subscribers?

Okay.

TEST mining op, please ignore !

Shut up, you're wrong. Yes, you do gank for money, so don't even try to deny it, lying scumbag. Also, I don't gank Hulks but I know more about ganking because you're dumb and stupid and you're doing it wrong, noob.

If you are ganking to a budget, you need to figure out how to achieve your goals within the budget. If you want to gank with T2 fit catalysts, you need to seek a source of funding other than the Goonswarm bounties. You can't go ganking with T2 fit catalysts and then complain that you run out of money, hoping people will take pity on you.

Complaining that the second account isn't free doesn't make sense: you're not ganking for the income to buy a PLEX. You've already paid those accounts using other means otherwise you'd be doing something far more profitable than farming Goonswarm bounties.

Bottom line is: either you're ganking with a limited wallet and you need to adjust your tactics to cost you less than 10M ISK per kill, or you've got a sugar daddy (possibly your main) who doesn't care about the ISK cost. If you have a sugar daddy, go ahead and use T2 blaster catalysts, solo ganking hulks in 0.7.

Just FYI, I never lasted any longer han 3 months in any "theme park" MMO, whereas i've been into EVE for more than 3 years. After all this time, I still don't like EVE and play it mostly because there are no alternatives.

I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.

Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...

If you guys want people to come out, you sure don't act like it.

I'm confused about the point. Is there a reason for wanting to remove mining from highsec, or is this just a "let's see if we can" kind of thing?

[quote=Ammatar IV]

You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec.

I want you to re-read what you just wrote there and consider that, just maybe, there's something you're not being honest with yourself about.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.

I have also never saw a developed null sec market that could in fact ignore Jita or high sec. One based on minerals and moon mats, not based on Jita resales.

They don't exist. Can't exist, in fact, given the current widespread contempt for industrialists.

Yield mined per system should be Available via API.

Why would someone need to justify their lack of trying to look for a way to nullsec?

According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec ..................acts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315

Somebody is making a lot of ISK from minerals.

War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night.

War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night. its not a war when the other side isnt and doesnt care to fight.

Terrorism would be when people aren't mining due to the fear of gankers being out there. It would be terrorism if, six months down the track, people refused to undock in a Hulk for fear of being ganked.

What we have is a riot on the streets, not terrorism. The riot is fuelled by a public competition with awards to people who inflict the most damage.

If you have enough isk and enough income, a second account is free, and with the right machine multi-boxing is as easy as pie.
All you need is plex. And with enough ganking, you can make a living out of it.

It's available from the EVE map. Learn what the Industry development index actually means. If a system stays at Industry 5 all week it's a pretty safe bet there is a lot of mining going on there.

To be honest i don't see any reasons for a better change for miners unless pve drops are nerfed in terms of mineral profit.

"Highsec mining drops by HALF"

this isnt a result of fear?

Nah, it more to do with the fact half of the barges have exploded.

It is still too soon to tell anything. If it rained for three days in a row I swear half the forum whiners on here would be building an ark and begin collecting two of every creature that lives with them in their parent's basement. If it didn't rain for three days they would be screaming global warming, demand a larger tank to store water, and die of dehydration from all the tears they shed.

They are the goldfish of Eve, swimming around New Eden bumping in to mirrors and screaming at themselves for being in the way because their short term memory is about thirty seconds. Like little yapping boot polishing toy-breed dogs they serve little purpose but to make noise, **** the carpets, and on an extremely rare occasion manage to disrupt or kill a much larger dog by getting caught in its throat.

You need to give it time. The Eve economy is a process, not a single act. You need to understand that every change needs time to gestate before coming to fruition. One human can make one baby in nine months. The forum whiners believe that if nine people work together (the Goons) they can make the baby happen in one month. The actual long term effects will still take nine months. In those same nine months you can make a baby of your own, but you want it in two weeks. Unless your last name is Jolie, it probably isn't going to magically appear.

I don't understand how is that a good thing? This will only drive mineral prices up. So if by good, it means that ppl want to pay more for their ship and stuff than its fine with me.

I don't understand how is that a good thing? This will only drive mineral prices up. So if by good, it means that ppl want to pay more for their ship and stuff than its fine with me.

...This will only drive mineral prices up...

You are an idiot if you think that mineral inputs droppng 50% is a good thing...

Where do you think that every ship in eve came from? Every ship that dies in hulkaggedon, the miner & the ganker, costs minerals to build. Now, miners in high-sec bring in the largest total of minerals in eve, and you think this is a good thing? You think miners will want to go into low-sec or 0.0 when all of this is going on?

Yeah, lets see you in a few weeks when ships begin to increase in price 10-fold (which means tens of millions of isk for a single frigate!)

And im not even talking about the destroyed modules prices...

Where's the part that gives me numbers. A lot means nothing to me. I want to be able to point and go "Jesus ******* christ, 200 asteroids were mined in system XYZ in the last hour!" who wants to wait a week? Oof.

What exactly is "half of a maximum IQ"?

It also might help if you could spell intelligent, but I dare say you probably share the vacant stare of your avatar and insinuate that you more than likely are vacant in other departments as well.

Much better if minerals were sold by NPC?

If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested.

Let me see if I have this straight...

James 315 and friends have more or less removed human miners from high sec mining, leaving only bots behind.

Seems odd that they would be leaving bots behind, unless they were behind them. And since the bots are profiting from their actions, well....

It isn't hurting miners, in fact as mineral prices go up newbie miners (who belong in high sec) will be earning higher ISK/hour.

All thanks to James 315 and his ilk's tireless efforts to rid Eve of those overly-experienced miners that should have grown the balls to leave high sec years ago.

But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?

How gracious of everyone.

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?

Hasn't stopped them in the past 9 years.

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?

How many suicide ganks of mining frigates/cruisers have you seen?
Gankers primarily target Hulks and Mackinaws. Anyone flying those aren't new miners.

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?

Yes, because the genuine newbies are not the ones getting ganked. I mean very rarely do you see anyone target one of the mining frigates/cruisers, or even covetors.

And as for people claiming hulk pilots are newbies: Seriously go away. It takes like two months just to sit in one. If you've been playing Eve for months you should have by that point gotten used to the idea that you might occasionally die if you don't pay attention.

All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.

But isn't this the most successful Hulkageddon yet? Or have miners been killed in the same magnitude since Eve went online? Just trying to figure things out ofc. So I can tell the guys who mine in my corp.

There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.

Lol,yeah I see that everyday. Some fits are truly bad! But does fitting for tank solve the problem or do they just bring more
firepower?

they gank the untanked hulk next to you instead

Rubbish. We take willing people with far less skill. It's all about attitude not skill-points. A rifter with a point in the hands of a gutsy player will do far more damage than a 100M sp player in a shiny multi-billion isk T3 ship that warps away to a safe-spot at the first sign of trouble. You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec.

Thank you for letting me know how I really feel, I appreciate it Please, I hope you come in pocket size so I can take you everywhere; I need someone to let me know what to say and why I is clueless noob otherwise, oh mighty internet spaceship hero, have mercy on my pitiful soul.

I've attempted joining null sec corps, have been scammed and denied, have gone in solo and been popped and chased and shouted out of peoples "property." But I'm going to try the Foreign Legion this time. So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace.

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Basically try being less of a douche, maybe then you'll make some friends and you won't be blindly chased out of any alliance you try to join.

Someone accuses me of "just making stuff up" and speaks for me without any knowledge...so I have an angered response. Must be a douche Sorry, I'll go take care of female hygiene needs now I guess


Also, when arguing that someone is too "douchey", it would be nice to avoid using terms like "dense asshat" to describe people you've never met or spoken to, it sets up a bit of a double standard.

All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.

all events like this, are just killboard efficiency whoring, for a bunch of bored internet spaceship nerds

Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.

Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.

This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.

GǪexcept that the Gǣcurrent anti-noob versionGǥ has pretty much the same ship prices as the supposedly Gǣnoob friendlyGǥ EVE of four years ago.

You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place?

Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.

Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.

This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.

GOONSVERSE.

What you are actually witnessing is the Goons intentionally and actualy destroying EVE.

Why CCP does not see the obvious malicious intent here is simply stupifying.

So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace.

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.