Just make it so, that cloaked people don't show up in local. Problem solved.

Bombing runs make this impractical. You can camp a system with a fleet and no one knows you are there.

Then make a per-aligned bombing run that takes 3 seconds to execute and warp off to freedom with a completely accurate assessment of the enemy force.

Makes Stealth Bomber Ganking 99% Risk Free.

What about AFK mining? Or AFK station trading?

Say what you will about AFK Cloaking but being 100% Safe in a cloaked ship is a boring mechanic.

Sub Warfare is 100 times more fun. ! mean the cloaking mechanic is so boring that people are literally leaving their computer screens rather playing which right their says it all.

You talking about mining ?

Just make it so, that cloaked people don't show up in local. Problem solved.

The mechanic that is causing your problems is local. That's what needs to be fixed.

Obligatory "Zero people have ever died to an AFK player."

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no

Don't get me wrong, I like cloaking, I like ganking in WHs, I like breaking gate camps, but to be able to sit afk in someones system cloaked FOR DAYS with no repercussions is just unacceptable. Make cloakers susceptible to combat probes, or really, just do SOMETHING to limit the un-interactiveness of cloak, its a fail mechanic as is. Let the flames begin ^^

AFK cloaking couldn't exist without local. The reason people get aggravated is because local shows them that someone is there and they overreact to this information. Local is providing too much intel for too little (i.e. no) work.

The entire GÇ£problemGÇ¥ of AFK cloaking resides in the existence of local and is an artefact of this defect. To GÇ£fixGÇ¥ AFK cloaking, the defect in local has to be removed (alternatively, you can just stop thinking of it as a problem).

By the way, removing local as an intel tool is part of the CCP 5-year-planGäóGǪ

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Would the removal of local affect your botting or why are you so against it ?

That''s either missing the point or ignoring the actual problem.

The AFK cloaker can sit in a system all day but only needs to be actively used by the player when they (and possibly their friends) are ready to take action. If they're bored or there are no targets they can leave the character sitting there and go do something more interesting until an opportunity presents itself.

On the other hand the defenders have no idea when the cloaker is active or genuinely afk. Their only response is to remain docked and do nothing or to actively form a gang to protect whatever activity is going on.

This sounds reasonable at first but what this means is several things are stacked against the defenders:
- Several defenders are forced to stop what they are doing to baby sit others and (if they have an organised defence) there is then a realistic chance that nothing will happen. The attacker only requires a single character and can be active when they feel like it.
Also maintaining this type of defence constantly is neither engaging or fun.

- An attack is only likely to occur if the attackers know they have enough of an advantage to win, the defenders can never preempt this or counter attack.

- The attackers will always have the advantage of knowing what they are engaging in advance, the defenders have no information at all until the attack is launched.

- The attackers have the advantage of mobility since their goal is typically combat orientated and they can move elsewhere. Defender goals are usually around resource collection of some form which is mostly static, so the option to move around is limited.


None of this is really the fault of either side, it's just the inevitable outcome of Eves mechanics that hand out information to the players at no cost or effort.