oh man I love it when people bring the botting argument in favor of removing local

attempting to curb botting with changes to game mechanics is stupid because bots can dscan better than a human player, they can inject code to get the local list anyway, and they can respond to threats faster

try harder~

What's the problem with removing local?

That uncertainty is entirely offset by the fact that only you dictate when you engage.

GǪwhich you already can, and which doesn't remove that uncertainty since the whole point is that you inherently don't have enough information to make a fully informed decision any more, so it's not actually offset at all. Dictating when you engage helps when you can pick the best opportunity to strike GÇö with the added uncertainty, you no longer can.

You're arguing that having less information at your disposal makes things easier and less risky. I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense.

okay and how would the target be able to determine whether he's about to get warped onto or not

The same way as now. In other words, it makes no difference and doesn't suddenly turn anything into risk-free easymode.

oh yeah i forgot that there is no ship in the game with the ability to warp cloaked

Oh, you mean those things you have to warp to and risk being uncloaked, and having to do all of that because there is no longer any way to tell whether there are any targets around or notGǪ?

GǪand even then, not being sure what it is you're going to encounter.

What you're describing can already be done, but local makes it easier and faster since you know whether it's worth doing at all. So yeah, no. Not easymode and not risk-free, since you're only ever losing the ability to predict your encounter.

What I see here in this thread, is plain and simple nullbears QQ. What you are say does not change this. Infact it would indeed worsen the situation.

Being in a cloaky does not give you all the intel in the system. Guess what. To find that out you have to move. Risk getting de-cloaked, bla bla bla. Infact by not being in the local, will make gathering intel a whole lot easier. They dont see you, they dont dock up. Thus hiding the ships they were using.

Then you would have the next wave crying QQ, We can't tell if theres a cloaky in our system, let us see the AFK cloakies so we know they're there and when they're not. So we can absolutey know, when we are safe to mine / bot

Local is not the broken mechanic here. What is broken is people's perception of a perceived threat.


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Local is not the broken mechanic here. What is broken is people's perception of a perceived threat.

I don't have a problem with AFK cloaking, the problem is when people suggest removing local as a solution because that's just stupid beyond belief

If being decloaked is even a remote possibility for you I recommend you just stop playing the game

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GǪexcept it solves the problem completely since it removes AFK cloaking, both in terms of removing the practical application of it on the Gǣattacker'sGǥ part and in terms of removing the frustration on the defenders' side.

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The AFK cloaker can sit in a system all day but only needs to be actively used by the player when they (and possibly their friends) are ready to take action. If they're bored or there are no targets they can leave the character sitting there and go do something more interesting until an opportunity presents itself.

Welcome to the world of covert ops. The only thing thats wrong is local somehow magically exposing the precence of the cov ops ship.

I think a guy earlier hit the nail on the head; cloaky campers mean that you either have to safe up, and stay safe, or you have to drag a support fleet with you to do so much as run an anomaly.

At which point the ISK per person might as well drop to nothing, not to mention a lot of boredom being injected into the game, at no cost at all to the "aggressor", whom may very well be completely AFK.

You have to act as though he or she isn't, though, and THAT is the problem... it's a broken mechanic in risk / reward for the attacker. They have absolutely no risk, and for 23.5 hours per day they get rewarded by harming their opponents economy.

Edit: To be clear, I have absolutely no problem with stealthy-on-stealthy warfare. I had some awesome times in Geminate with 2 enemy bomber / recon wings going at each other.

for a problem to be solved it has to exist to begin with

Don't get me wrong, I like cloaking, I like ganking in WHs, I like breaking gate camps, but to be able to sit afk in someones system cloaked FOR DAYS with no repercussions is just unacceptable. Make cloakers susceptible to combat probes, or really, just do SOMETHING to limit the un-interactiveness of cloak, its a fail mechanic as is. Let the flames begin ^^

any number of wormholes opening into yours at any time of the day

Some people just want to see eve easymode...

yes, namely those who want local removed

Don't get me wrong, I like cloaking, I like ganking in WHs, I like breaking gate camps, but to be able to sit afk in someones system cloaked FOR DAYS with no repercussions is just unacceptable. Make cloakers susceptible to combat probes, or really, just do SOMETHING to limit the un-interactiveness of cloak, its a fail mechanic as is. Let the flames begin ^^

I love these threads. Goes to show the hypocrisy of the players that whine about Empire needing more risk for the rewards and how players should be "forced" into nulsec. If you quiver in a POS when a single ship is sitting in the same system doing nothing, don't talk to me about risks.