For me, that was a total of four windows in the old system, and they occupided about Gàò of the screen in a neat row along the bottom.

You could replicate almost exactly what we have now with the old system. It is impossible to replicate what you could do with the old system using the new one.

No. People are quite willing to change if the change is for the better. In this case, the change is towards decreased functionality and lower efficiency. It's not a resistance to change GÇö it's a resistance to deterioration. It's interesting that you bring up the CQ since it was indeed the same thing, but you're paining it in the wrong light. People didn't complain because it changed GÇö they complained because it made things worse, because they lost functionality, because they lost efficiency, and because the new system offered nothing to improve on those two things.

Making an GÇ£old/newGÇ¥ toggle is also the exact wrong way to go. What they should have done was to ensure that the new system offers the same functionality as the old one, and then add more, new functionality on top of that. They couldn't do that with the CQ because they were two completely different systems and because the CQ in and if itself didn't actually offer any functionality at all.

Quick update to the inventory stuff:

We created a list of changes we'd like to make yesterday. Today we're going through it and planning when to do what. I'll post it up later today so you guys can see the changes.

One of the changes I'm mulling over two different options and I'd really like your feedback on it. Specifically, it's the POSs showing all the inventories you can interact with:

Solution one: All POS inventories are treated as wrecks. You fly to them, open them and they're put in your inventory with a little "x" next to them so you can remove them once you've used them.

Solution two: All POS inventories are put in to trees, so you can open/close whatever subsection of inventories you're currently interacting with.

Anyway, feel free to add some feedback to those two and I'll return with a more detailed list of changes later today.

QFT, tippia your great at this. I just wish I was half as good at making my idea's understood. Here is hoping they will at least commit to fixing some of this.

One of the changes I'm mulling over two different options and I'd really like your feedback on it. Specifically, it's the POSs showing all the inventories you can interact with:

Solution one: All POS inventories are treated as wrecks. You fly to them, open them and they're put in your inventory with a little "x" next to them so you can remove them once you've used them.

Solution two: All POS inventories are put in to trees, so you can open/close whatever subsection of inventories you're currently interacting with.

Of those twoGǪ

GǪsolution two, with the addition of allowing us to name everything at a POS GÇö every last battery and hangar GÇö and with things that are out of range being either greyed out, moved to the bottom beneath a separator, or otherwise clearly shown as being GÇ£present but not availableGÇ¥ from your current location.

Yes, it's much harder to implement, because it offers much more feedback and functionality. That's why it's the right thing to doGǪ Also, while we're at it, filters for the tree view, not just the item window itself.

Solution two: All POS inventories are put in to trees, so you can open/close whatever subsection of inventories you're currently interacting with.

There is one thing.. one thing only... Allow us to move stuff from one can to another when you have them opened in the same window (with tabs) by dragging stuff onto the tabs and I be happy again.

Quick update to the inventory stuff:

We created a list of changes we'd like to make yesterday. Today we're going through it and planning when to do what....

Quick update to the inventory stuff:

We created a list of changes we'd like to make yesterday. Today we're going through it and planning when to do what. I'll post it up later today so you guys can see the changes.

One of the changes I'm mulling over two different options and I'd really like your feedback on it. Specifically, it's the POSs showing all the inventories you can interact with:

Solution one: All POS inventories are treated as wrecks. You fly to them, open them and they're put in your inventory with a little "x" next to them so you can remove them once you've used them.

Solution two: All POS inventories are put in to trees, so you can open/close whatever subsection of inventories you're currently interacting with.

Anyway, feel free to add some feedback to those two and I'll return with a more detailed list of changes later today.

I have a better idea. Why not make a list of OUR requested changes?

Can someone just tell me how I can get my ACTIVE ship back into my hanger window? I want one window with ALL my current ships located within that station. I shouldn't have to leave my current ship to see it there. Worked before the 'eve is spreadsheets' ui patch. I'm not so humbly asking for it back.

I also want my 'Ships button' back. I'd REALLY like it if the window stayed open after I shift-clicked it into existence too. And I mean every time I dock.

If it wasn't clear, the list we're compiling is changes requested by the playerbase.

Quick update to the inventory stuff:

We created a list of changes we'd like to make yesterday. Today we're going through it and planning when to do what. I'll post it up later today so you guys can see the changes.

One of the changes I'm mulling over two different options and I'd really like your feedback on it. Specifically, it's the POSs showing all the inventories you can interact with:

Solution one: All POS inventories are treated as wrecks. You fly to them, open them and they're put in your inventory with a little "x" next to them so you can remove them once you've used them.

Solution two: All POS inventories are put in to trees, so you can open/close whatever subsection of inventories you're currently interacting with.

Anyway, feel free to add some feedback to those two and I'll return with a more detailed list of changes later today.

Adding options means supporting code for both, which gets expensive..

When you walk around with your head us someones ass (eve's dev's and Sony's ass) you are bound to bump into a wall. Grats on this joke of a change to inventory. Do you devs even undock and play this game? Have you tryed to mine out of a pos? Have you tryed to organise reactions at a pos with this change? The fact that your head is so deep up Sony's ass and EVE is going to die soon doesn't mean that you need to give it a push.

Hey guys,
In the pre-inferno days, I sometimes had to open several different windows for inventory stuff, for in-station stuff alone:
- Cargo bay
- Item hangar
- Ship hangar
- Cargo bay of other ship
- Corp hangar
- Secure cans in item hangar
- Secure cans in cargo
- Ship maintenance bay
- Drone bay

It was hell. At least for me.

And guess what? Now I see all the inventories I need, in one little list, in a single window that takes up less space than all of the above combined, as well as making it cleaner, without having to overlap or combine several of those windows. No longer do I have to search for stuff (it was like inventory within inventory within inventory.), do a few gazillion clicks to open new windows. No, I got them all in a single window now.
And if I still need some kind of a separate window, I can shift+click and open a separate window. Not that I had to use it as of yet.
Not to mention I can see the approximate market value of said stuff in the inventory, as well as the metric tons. And this is adjusted to what items I have selected. VERY useful.

This new system is intuitive and works just like the old system. Just drag and drop stuff, but now you only need 1 window to rule them all.
Personally, I think this was a much needed usability update.


BUT!!


I do think that some "forced changes" are bad.
We have seen this happen to Captain's Quarters, and we were given the ability to go back to the old hangar view with ship spinning (and a nice ship spin counter). Nobody complained since then.
I think this works a bit the same. The old inventory we used is about 9 years old now. A lot of players have gotten used to the "old way" and just refuse to change because they already got used to the old system and think it's fine that way.
So I'd suggest, instead of forcing this kind of change on players, allow for players to choose between separate settings; customise their way of inventory usage to their personal preferences.

For example, you could have these different settings:
- old way > nothing changes. You have to manually search for each window, open it, then drag and drop from one window to the other if you want to move stuff.
- semi-old way > just the inventory list without the attached window. When clicking one of the list items, a new window opens. You *can* drag and drop from an opened window to a list item in the inventory to move items there.
- new way > like it is now: inventory list + attached window. When clicking one of the list items, its inventory will be displayed in the attached window. When shift-clicking one of the list items, its inventory will be displayed in a separate window.


I think if this is done, *every* player will be happy about the new inventory system.

I hope this feedback is appreciated :)

1) Since you went for "the treeview" paradygm please have a look at how XTree Gold worked (yes I am that ancient). A free Win 32 / 64 version is here.
Out of the many features, there was the "on demand subtree logging".

2) The real estate used by the new UI is enormous. Now why did you put *two* rows in the status line? With two little numbers right aligned none the less. Just put them in one row.

3) The inner scroll bars (to the right of container names etc) are too thin, please add a 30% width.

4) The volume hystogram is very tall. The old one gave the same information, in 4 pixels or so. Please make it collapsible or something.

5) The new UI was perfect as assets window. It's really it. It's too big to keep it always open on a ship though, by default we should have something light at the center of the screen.

6) There's a bug: if you dock the new UI to the right of the chat, and you have autohide neocom:

- old behavior: any window docked to the right of the chat (or directly docked to the neocom) would cause all the docked windows to scroll left when neocom disappeared, all would scroll right when neocom re-appeared.

- new behavior: the chat still scrolls like before but the new UI won't obey to the dock and sits still.

7) Please add neocom buttons to directly open ship cargo / ships hangar, items hangar, corp hangar. All they would do is to do the same of clicking on the new UI tree icons to open the same objects.