Originally by: Gramtar

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1) Lowsec - increase max BS spawn to triple 1.1M bounties. Essentially make all of lowsec roughly equivalent to what you can get in an -0.4 system today, including any related increase in faction and hauler spawns.

2) All of 0.0 - eliminate all spawns that don't have a battleship. Pruning cruiser spawns out of even perfect truesec systems takes hours and it's completely ridiculous.

3) "poor" truesec 0.0 (roughly 0.0 to -0.3) - Increase max value BS spawn to triple 1.4M.

4) "fair" truesec 0.0 (roughly -0.4 to -0.6) - Increase max value BS spawn to triple 1.85. Permit officer spawns. Basically the same as existing "perfect" truesec. Decrease max respawn time of a cleared spawn to 20 minutes (I believe it is currently 30 min or higher).

5) "good" truesec 0.0 (roughly -0.7 to -1.0) - As above and eliminate spawns below 950K. Significantly increase (triple or quadruple) the rate of hauler and faction spawns. Decrease max respawn time from a cleared spawn to 15 minutes.

I suggest increasing the chance of Officer spawns, as well. Since I've seen exactly one Officer in the 3 years I've ratted, it's hard for me to say by how much. I would need information that isn't currently available, specifically how they currently spawn, whether or not it's true they are more common just after downtime (something which should be obviously be changed if accurate), how long they stay up, whether particular officers favor one region over another, what % that spawn are killed, etc.

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Originally by: Scatim Helicon

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The only part I disagree with is increasing the chances of Faction and Officer spawns. The main effect of that would be to crash the market for faction items and reduce the reward for finding such a spawn, which does nothing to make 0.0 ratting more attractive as it puts us right back where we started.

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Instead, make the spawns bigger. There's a current cap of up to 6 rats per spawn with up to half of those being battleships (although very occasionally the rats are bugged and put two spawns in the same belt) but there's really no obvious reason why for the higher-end truesec this couldn't be increased to 8 or 10 or even more and/or with the 'only half battleships' limit removed. Warping into a belt and being confronted by 10 Angel Seraphim or Blood Popes would not only make 0.0 ratting more lucrative, it would liven up the experience significantly.

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Originally by: Kachiko Sama

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Hey look, a cogent and well argued idea based on the simple premise that greater risk should bring greater reward. Let's do that.

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Originally by: Dexter Filmore

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Edited by: Dexter Filmore on 05/08/2009 21:52:22
I'd disagree that highsec mission running is the most profitable PvE activity in the game.

Wormhole space is definitely where it's at, folks, and that's everywhere.

The way I see it, highsec is space for solo players, lowsec is a bit of a mix and 0.0 is where the alliances play. Solo activities should not be even comparatively profitable out in 0.0 because that's not what you're there for in the first place.

If you have the player infrastructure set up, you should be running exploration sites and Class 3+ Wormholes for your isk. It's more fun, a better, less-boring way to spend time and makes you loads of cash.

You make good points and have good solutions, but there is absolutely no reason you should not be running wormholes. Any Class 3 wh can be cleared with 3 Remote Rep BS and a salvager/hacker/analyzer. I've been on wormhole ops that have brought in over 3.5billion isk split 10 ways and for only a few hours work.

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Originally by: Cat Molina

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Originally by: Kachiko Sama

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Hey look, a cogent and well argued idea based on the simple premise that greater risk should bring greater reward. Let's do that.

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Hmmm... sounds great! And, since I fly solo in Amamake area, and suffer far greater risk than you do with your blobs and intel channels, then by your argument I should be making about... what? Ten-times your ISK?

Right?

Pathetic little 0.0 players... fighting so hard to extend your E-peen and yet always trying to make life easier for yourselves.

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Originally by: Kesslar Znel

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I don't like the spatial vortex generator idea, though I'm not able at the moment to articulate exactly why I feel that way. The other measures I would support, along with a measure to have the client display truesec without needing to consult a third party application. If nothing else it would expose the more broken regions (in both directions) and increase the likelihood that they get fixed/rebalanced.

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I don't really like the idea of a POS module that somehow lowers the truesec of a system. That doesn't make sense from an RP perspective and I was under the impression that most larger changes needed some sort of RP explanation to fit into the Eve universe. (But certainly correct me if I'm wrong.)

But fusing the POS module idea to [an idea of a system-within-a-system]...perhaps there could be a POS module (requiring Sov 2) that boosted the strength of probes & ship scanners in-system to the point where they picked up exploration sites that would not otherwise be able to be found. Things that perhaps would be near the periphery of the solar system and would require powerful electronics & radar to find. (Think of all the planetoids & Kuiper Belt Objects we've finally stumbled across in the past 20 years.) Your ship-based sensors would then interface with these POS-based sensors.

Because these sites would be so well-hidden they would be the perfect location for higher-bounty rats to hide. (However I would NOT be in favor of making them so difficult that a mid-skill BS couldn't handle them solo. Rather, the easiest of them would be similar to the triple-BS spawns we currently find, and there would be few or no two-cruisers-and-two-frigates spawns.)

I guess my idea isn't really a new idea but rather a refinement of the existing ones people are floating that executes it in a more logical manner. (Or at least more logical to me.)

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Originally by: Zastrow J

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Originally by: Dexter Filmore

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Edited by: Dexter Filmore on 05/08/2009 21:52:22
I'd disagree that highsec mission running is the most profitable PvE activity in the game.

Wormhole space is definitely where it's at, folks, and that's everywhere.

The way I see it, highsec is space for solo players, lowsec is a bit of a mix and 0.0 is where the alliances play. Solo activities should not be even comparatively profitable out in 0.0 because that's not what you're there for in the first place.

If you have the player infrastructure set up, you should be running exploration sites and Class 3+ Wormholes for your isk. It's more fun, a better, less-boring way to spend time and makes you loads of cash.

You make good points and have good solutions, but there is absolutely no reason you should not be running wormholes. Any Class 3 wh can be cleared with 3 Remote Rep BS and a salvager/hacker/analyzer. I've been on wormhole ops that have brought in over 3.5billion isk split 10 ways and for only a few hours work.

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Wormholes may be great but it's a seperate point from the issue of isk generation on the individual level in 0.0 systems. Life in 0.0 is hard. There's risk. There's work. There is uncertainty. There is more work. Carving out a life as an individual can be miserable in 0.0. For all the work and risk there should be a reward.

Current mechanics only incentivize 0.0 for huge alliances who can defend their moon mining towers on valuable moons with a big ass dread fleet. Other than a hope that the wealth will trickle down, there really isn't much reason for a grunt to live in 0.0. He's arguably better off running missions in highsec and only going out to 0.0 when his alliance has to siege or defend some towers. This really is a bad policy and isn't leading to anyone having more fun in space.

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