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Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:11:00 - [1] I feel that it would be good to start a discussion about this in an area where it might actually make a difference. Since CCP has given the community a voice through the Council, I would like to say to the Council that I am strongly against console exclusivity for DUST. It is important to note, I do play console games. I own both a PS3 and Xbox 360, yet given the option I would always choose to play an FPS on the PC over any console. A mouse an keyboard is simply better suited to that style of gameplay than a controller. They say that the issue is the need to focus on creating a good console experience. To counter this, I point to Call of Duty 4. This game is available for both the PC and Consoles, and functions superbly on both. I own the game for PC, but some time ago had access to it strictly for Xbox 360. It certainly played great, and I put my time in, but still, given the choice, I vastly prefer the game on my computer. Beyond this, excluding DUST players from alliance chat via Ventrilo and TeamSpeak is a definite detriment. I hope this thread can be used to discuss the issue, and maybe, hopefully, get my way.
Trilor Dransir Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:17:00 - [2] I agree, I would love to play this game but am completely unwilling to buy a console for only one game. (I don't need to know about console games i don't like most of them so there is no point to argue that consoles have good games as I'm not saying that they don't)
Jasonwilliams	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Jasonwilliams on 19/08/2009 00:24:38 Agreed, console exclusivity for this type of game that has such a big impact on our gaming experience shouldn't be left just to the consoles. In fact, I believe the reserve should be said IMHO. The game should be a PC exclusive so that we PC gamers have control over our own fate in Eve instead of having to worry about a lot of little kids playing the game(not saying that all console players are little kids, but a lot of them are eliteists. So why should a console eliteist help a PC gamer?). Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:27:00 - [4] Console-only is pure bull**, and a stab in the back to the loyal PC gamers who have made EVE so great. The lack of a keyboard and mouse sucks, the need to buy an expensive console just for one game sucks, and the inevitable death of the game once the next console comes out sucks. Either release a PC version (and a GOOD PC version, not just a low-quality port) or scrap the entire project. And if you absolutely must ignore the wishes of your customers and make it console-only, DO NOT make it have any influence on the main EVE game. The only thing more bull** than a game we aren't able to play is a game we aren't able to play that can take away everything we've worked for in EVE. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:30:00 - [5] Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 19/08/2009 00:35:08 I've never used a PS3 or Xbox 360, but don't they have USB ports, and can't they support keyboards and mice? I'm fully in favour of them supporting that input scheme in Dust, because a controller is the mouse's ******ed nephew for FPS work, but as long as they do the choice of systems to be played on is sort of secondary to me. I'd prefer not to have to buy a console to play it, but from a point of view of game design, I'm cool with them doing whatever as long as the players can use mice. Edit: I also don't understand the hate for console players being allowed to play alongside us. Did you rip on CCP for letting the tofu-eaters play with us when they released a Mac client, or the agoraphobes play on Linux? And don't give me the "We can't play it!" nonsense - I can't play a 100-man fleet. Hell, I can't even fly a Punisher. Does that mean that Amarr is evil, and should be removed from the game? Does that mean that gang sizes should be limited to what one person can multi-box? You build your alliances out of corps, now go build them out of corps and guilds. You can't play it, find someone who can and get them on board.
Jasonwilliams	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Jasonwilliams on 19/08/2009 00:34:45 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto I've never used a PS3 or Xbox 360, but don't they have USB ports, and can't they support keyboards and mice? I'm fully in favour of them supporting that input scheme in Dust, because a controller is the mouse's ******ed nephew for FPS work, but as long as they do the choice of systems to be played on is sort of secondary to me. I'd prefer not to have to buy a console to play it, but from a point of view of game design, I'm cool with them doing whatever as long as the players can use mice. You would need a mouse AND keyboard that require NO drivers what so ever for them to function on either system. There is a controller for the PS3 called the FragFX that kind of mimics a keyboard and mouse, but it's compatibility and usability are really low according to a few users I've talked to about it. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist
Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:34:00 - [7] Edited by: Ralmus Awsine on 19/08/2009 00:34:10 The chance of them adding mouse support on a console is slim to none. If Metal Gear Solid 4 didn't have the clout as a company to make it happen, something they claimed the game would have from the start, I seriously doubt CCP will. I honestly believe there is something going on with console developers that dictates that consoles can not use mouse and keyboard. Call me crazy but why else would it not have happened yet?
Sable Blitzmann Eve University	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:38:00 - [8] Agreed. Also, shameless plug: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153199 Sign it if you agree! We need to get the attention of both CCP and the CSM!
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:43:00 - [9] Supported, not much more to say really. I think a PC version would be great.
Jeebus Cynoalt	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:43:00 - [10] /Signed. I really think SOE dropped the ball on this one...

vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:45:00 - [11] I don't agree with this because I want to be able to convince my wife into letting me buy a ps3 for christmas. However I do agree a keyboard and mouse is superior in FPS games so if CCP can implement those into Dust that would be greatly appreciated. FYI drivers for keyboards and mouses are pretty much standardised anyways so an implementation of such a thing may not be that difficult especially when we are talking about USB devices. And FYI what call of duty 4 does and what ccp does are two different things. If call of duty 4 decides to jump off a cliff do you think ccp will?
Davin Forsosa	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:50:00 - [12] I must say I'm extremely dissappointed about this console exclusive release. I'm all for consoles having their own exclusive titles, but not when they are based on a PC title. With the development process being the way it is, I don't understand why PC can't at the very least cannot receive a direct port. Not happy at all.
Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:51:00 - [13] Simply stating that creating a game that plays well on both platforms is both doable and has been done.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:52:00 - [14] Perhaps CCP is worried that people will play an eve client and a dust client at the same time on their computer, thus allowing one person to provide fleet support, and to be a ground troop at the same time. Not that I'm saying they couldn't just have their tv near by and do the same thing. Why are we talking about this instead of real questions like: Can mercs just travel from planet to planet and conquer them on their own, or do they have to travel in the same eve universe via transport ships, and escape through gate camps just to get to a planet? That is what I'm most worried about. If they have to get through a fleet first before they get to a planet in order to take it over. Also these planets under control of Alliances will they be required to have troops on the planets to guard them at all times?
Trilor Dransir Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:55:00 - [15] Originally by: vixxen Miner Perhaps CCP is worried that people will play an eve client and a dust client at the same time on their computer, thus allowing one person to provide fleet support, and to be a ground troop at the same time. Not that I'm saying they couldn't just have their tv near by and do the same thing. Why are we talking about this instead of real questions like: Can mercs just travel from planet to planet and conquer them on their own, or do they have to travel in the same eve universe via transport ships, and escape through gate camps just to get to a planet? That is what I'm most worried about. If they have to get through a fleet first before they get to a planet in order to take it over. Also these planets under control of Alliances will they be required to have troops on the planets to guard them at all times? CCP know's people like to dual box, so I don't that is a very big issue. And for the movement of troops seeing how they where talking about being casual I'd think it safe to assume that it would like a jump clone insta-teleport thing. Maybe the corp or alliance just produces empty clones and the players queue up to into them etc etc... teleport
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:56:00 - [16] I'm sure CCP are aware that they are excluding large numbers of people from buying the game with console requirement. They gotta have some really clever reason for it. Did CCP share it with us in any interview? I'm sure it's one of the first things any interviewer would ask
Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:57:00 - [17] K: What we have been asked by our readers is: why only make the game available for console and not for PC? CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 00:58:00 - [18] Edited by: vixxen Miner on 19/08/2009 00:59:04 well you see that would be bullcrap, I think they should have to escape fleets and physically transport the troops from planet to planet in order for this to be a more fair system. Although I really have no room to talk because I know nothing on how the mechanics will really work in dust, and how they actually transport personnel from planet to planet will work.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:02:00 - [19] I'm also worried about whether if you have an eve account allready will you beable to play dust for free, or will you need to buy a totally new account. Also if so would they provide a discount for those that do have eve accounts?
Wacoede Allied Combat Team	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:02:00 - [20] supported make sure you tick the little box that say you support this topic my guess is the CSM and CCP use the supports column to sort what gets discussed and what is just people whining about nothing ___________________________________________________ Originally by: Avery Fatwallet when someone sez "eve is too tuff" standard reply is "can i have stuff?"

Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:02:00 - [21] I would appreciate the thread not be derailed. If you'd like to speculate, the general forums would be a better medium. This thread is for discussion on a specific, tangible issue. Thanks guys.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:02:00 - [22] Ahhh... was wondering when this would show up in assembly hall. PC vs. Console tears... taste just as good as the rest. Please stop speculating on something with so little information.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:03:00 - [23] Originally by: vixxen Miner Perhaps CCP is worried that people will play an eve client and a dust client at the same time on their computer, thus allowing one person to provide fleet support, and to be a ground troop at the same time. Not that I'm saying they couldn't just have their tv near by and do the same thing. Why are we talking about this instead of real questions like: Can mercs just travel from planet to planet and conquer them on their own, or do they have to travel in the same eve universe via transport ships, and escape through gate camps just to get to a planet? That is what I'm most worried about. If they have to get through a fleet first before they get to a planet in order to take it over. Also these planets under control of Alliances will they be required to have troops on the planets to guard them at all times? It's nothing like that, they're just trying to tap into a new market. Cool idea, if they can pull it off.
Lt Shard Mentis Fidelis Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:09:00 - [24] CCP could get more profit as most eve players would buy it on pc. _________________________ Yes, I know the Titan is small in my sig.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:10:00 - [25] Perhaps a ploy then with sony and microsoft to bring in sales for christmas time? Maybe farfetched, don't see much a reason other than to stint the existing players of eve to run multiple accounts at the same time.
kyrieee	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:12:00 - [26] 1. Dust 2. ???? 3. Profit!
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:17:00 - [27] Edited by: Slave 2739FKZ on 19/08/2009 01:18:46 So now you need a console to play EVE (as both games are related and have mutual influence in the game world). Just fck off Sony and MS, CCP sellout lol. Also: console games have a life span of ... how long? Think about how well that will mix with a persistent world like EVE-O. Terrible idea CCP. Quote:* K: What we have been asked by our readers is: why only make the game available for console and not for PC? CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ So now you need a console to play EVE (as both games are related and have mutual influence in the game world). Just f*ck off Sony and MS, CCP sellout lol. Also: console games have a life span of ... how long? Think about how well that will mix with a persistent world like EVE-O. Terrible idea CCP. That was me speculating, not factual. Also I honestly think consoles can handle the graphics of eve online anyways, plus the fact they have the storage to run it, all you need is a keyboard and a mouse. So why not on a console?
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:19:00 - [29] I'm going to have to disagree. Consoles offer several things over PCs: 1) A stable platform that never changes - if CCP releases DUST 514 ONLY for the 360, for example, then CCP only needs to test their product on one platform - the 360. If they were to release a PC version, they would have to test on hundreds, if not thousands of combinations of hardware. 2) Consoles offer a more secure platform to operate on than PCs. CCP has realised that the PC is an insecure platform. To put it simply, they can not control the code that runs on your computer. If you want to run aimbots/hacking/cheating programs, there is little they can do to stop you without resorting to draconian DRM which has limited effectiveness and causes stability issues. True - consoles can be modded. However, this is harder to do and costs money as compared to downloading a cheat program for free off the internet and installing it. Aside from these two things, if CCP releases both a PC and a console version, the PC player will have a definite advantage over the console player, as the PC players has precise aiming and control with the use of the keyboard and mouse. The game will become fun for PC players, and not fun for console players, unless you segregate the two. ON top of this, unless CCP already has a PC version planned, it will be excessively time consuming to port from the 360/PS3 to PC, due to fundamental differences of hardware architecture (not just the fact that the 360 uses the PPC instruction set while PCs use either x86 or AMD64.) All in all, porting DUST 514 to PC would be too expensive unless CCP has been planning to from the get go. not signed.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Taedrin I'm going to have to disagree. Consoles offer several things over PCs: 1) A stable platform that never changes - if CCP releases DUST 514 ONLY for the 360, for example, then CCP only needs to test their product on one platform - the 360. If they were to release a PC version, they would have to test on hundreds, if not thousands of combinations of hardware. And yet somehow countless companies (CCP included) manage to make PC games that work just fine. Quote: 2) Consoles offer a more secure platform to operate on than PCs. CCP has realised that the PC is an insecure platform. To put it simply, they can not control the code that runs on your computer. If you want to run aimbots/hacking/cheating programs, there is little they can do to stop you without resorting to draconian DRM which has limited effectiveness and causes stability issues. True - consoles can be modded. However, this is harder to do and costs money as compared to downloading a cheat program for free off the internet and installing it. And somehow CCP manages to keep EVE running relatively hack-free. Quote: Aside from these two things, if CCP releases both a PC and a console version, the PC player will have a definite advantage over the console player, as the PC players has precise aiming and control with the use of the keyboard and mouse. The game will become fun for PC players, and not fun for console players, unless you segregate the two. Too bad. Sucks to be a console player, huh? And this is WHY it will suck on a console, as you admit, the mouse and keyboard is infinitely superior to a controller in FPS games. Quote: All in all, porting DUST 514 to PC would be too expensive unless CCP has been planning to from the get go. Then if it's so difficult they need to scrap the project, and use the art assets to produce a proper PC FPS. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!

vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:24:00 - [31] CCP did just send out a report on banning macro accounts. Macro accounts are run on computers which can run multiple accounts. This could be ccps answer to nerfing multiple accounts. This also would serve as a way to get rid of someone logging in an alt and leaving that alt to spy in a system all day long cloaked up. So you know we can say get rid of the speculation here, but instead of throwing a sh@t fit about this not being on the pc lets think about this.
Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:26:00 - [32] Any more time consuming than porting between 360 and PS3? Most certainly not. I also know quite a few console gamers who will say that PC has no advantage. I don't agree with them, but, well, they seem confident enough.
Inspect0r Cl0useau Vandal Empire	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:31:00 - [33] This should not only be on the PC, it should be PART of the EVE subscription and PART of the EVE PC client.
p0pup7arge7 Shooting Gallery	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:31:00 - [34] PC version please just give the console peeps an exclusive weapon or something.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:38:00 - [35] In the Documentary Title: "Unholy Rage". CPP states this: "The war against the RMT element continues. We strive towards driving their operating costs to unsustainable levels. Our objective is to get rid of them, plain and simple. They are a heinous nuisance and a serious drawback on our systems and resources. Credit card fraud and account hacking is their game - the recent hacking troubles have been the work of the ISK sellers. They must be driven out and kept out." Face it Eve online is going to make a push for consoles. I applaud them for this. At least they are warning us now so that we can get our own shiny little console before Christmas time when demand is high. :) here is the link to that document btw. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687
Monklon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:39:00 - [36] The premise of Dust 514 overall is fantastic and innovative. Console exclusivity, however, is a terrible idea.
Tek'a Rain Collegium Mechanicae Dominus Bellorum	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:42:00 - [37] Just Say No to.. infecting CCP with more microsoft ideals taking options AWAY from players *spending dev time on such a huge hit or miss idea come on CCP.. dont slap us in the face with this. anything that makes an outside force the deciding factor in something like world control/system control/constellation control/region control is taking the power OUT of our hands. whats that players? you are a PC gamer who does not own a console because you have your superior PC (which is not left behind by the planned obsolescence cycle of manufactures)? well.. too bad. Enjoy being worthless in capturing that planet then. I guess you have to trust in random XBL kiddies. Or buy a 360station, buy the New game at New Game Prices, Buy subscription for XBL and buy a subscription for New Game at New Game Prices! and force your entire group/corp/alliance to do the same and then you can Still have the fun of having your months of planning ruined by l33t kiddies.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 01:57:00 - [38] Edited by: vixxen Miner on 19/08/2009 02:00:46 Originally by: Tek'a Rain Just Say No to.. infecting CCP with more microsoft ideals taking options AWAY from players *spending dev time on such a huge hit or miss idea You don't know that until you play it. come on CCP.. dont slap us in the face with this. anything that makes an outside force the deciding factor in something like world control/system control/constellation control/region control is taking the power OUT of our hands. They aren't THE deciding factor, they are A deciding factor. I can see alleged outside forces to team up with certain alliances/corportations, as an actual division of such entities. whats that players? you are a PC gamer who does not own a console because you have your superior PC (which is not left behind by the planned obsolescence cycle of manufactures)? well.. too bad. Enjoy being worthless in capturing that planet then. I guess you have to trust in random XBL kiddies. Yes computers are better. However the vast power of your computer is over powered for the most part, and is not used. The cycle for such consoles lately hasn't changed for years actually, and the technology only gets better, computers don't go through the same cycles? Video cards? Cpu's? They are just as expensive as a console, so what's the difference? Not all gamers are kiddies, and there appears to be as many obnoxious kiddies in this game right now anyways. Or buy a 360station, buy the New game at New Game Prices, Buy subscription for XBL and buy a subscription for New Game at New Game Prices! and force your entire group/corp/alliance to do the same and then you can Still have the fun of having your months of planning ruined by l33t kiddies. Yep sounds about right. /emote calls wambulance.
Torquemada Credo	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:01:00 - [39] Dust, should not only be available on PC, it should be available through our current subscription. EVEs major selling point is one server, no instances, freeform, sandbox play, with no further outlay of funds beyond subscription ie all expansions required for play are free. This idea in one phial swoop, urinates that all away. Planets will become battlegrounds, not in a cool back lit epic cinematic way, but a lame a$$ world of snorecraft way. How, this does not equate directly to an instanced BG dictating the set up of the EVE map is beyond me. I could get behind the idea of FPS/RTS, being tied to sov, would in fact even welcome it - but if I have to not only buy a new game, pay a new subscription, but also a new platform as well ??????. Dust is fine, console only is fine, exluding me and other subscribers to EVE from an important aspect of game play is just moronic. Everything and I mean everything that EVE has to crow about will be destroyed if DUST goes live. CCP I beseech from the bowels of Christ, whilst at the same time knowing I am wasting my breathe, rethink this idea.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:03:00 - [40] Keep it on the consoles. If you've ever played on a console multiplayer service you'd know this market is filled to the brim with 12yos screaming that you aren't playing how they told you to. Keep them on consoles, I don't wanna talk to em.

Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:06:00 - [41] Edited by: Ralmus Awsine on 19/08/2009 02:06:30 If you're gunna provide a silly reason you could at least still give the thread a thumbs up. XD In all seriousness, if that is your reason, you can still opt not to play.
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:07:00 - [42] Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:54 Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:23 I honestly don't even care if this new content is free or not. I do think, however, that it should not be console exclusive. I loathe the thought of some console knuckle draggers having direct influence in our game while we have to sit back and watch from a distance. I'm sorry but that is distasteful. I don't begrudge CCP to try something new to make money but not at our expense. Make it a stand alone game for the console or you better damn well make sure that the PC players (you know, the ones paying your bills) have first dibs on this new content, especially since DUST effects EVE directly. Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song
Inspect0r Cl0useau Vandal Empire	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:11:00 - [43] Unlike Led Zeppelin, this IS going over like a Lead Balloon.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:11:00 - [44] Originally by: War Bear Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:54 Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:23 I honestly don't even care if this new content is free or not. I do think, however, that it should not be console exclusive. I loathe the thought of some console knuckle draggers having direct influence in our game while we have to sit back and watch from a distance. I'm sorry but that is distasteful. I don't begrudge CCP to try something new to make money but not at our expense. Make it a stand alone game for the console or you better damn well make sure that the PC players (you know, the ones paying your bills) have first dibs on this new content, especially since DUST effects EVE directly. You might just have to buy a console and intervene with these so called knuckle draggers then so that they don't influence your sov. It's that simple, or perhaps recruit some of them to protect your sov? There will be lots of options, being a lazy tard with your nose in the air wont get you anywhere tho, just lost sov.
Inspect0r Cl0useau Vandal Empire	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:14:00 - [45] Originally by: vixxen Miner Originally by: War Bear Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:54 Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:23 I honestly don't even care if this new content is free or not. I do think, however, that it should not be console exclusive. I loathe the thought of some console knuckle draggers having direct influence in our game while we have to sit back and watch from a distance. I'm sorry but that is distasteful. I don't begrudge CCP to try something new to make money but not at our expense. Make it a stand alone game for the console or you better damn well make sure that the PC players (you know, the ones paying your bills) have first dibs on this new content, especially since DUST effects EVE directly. No. It might be time for an EVE Emulator, so we can continue to play the game we've played for 6 years, not a "target audience" console kiddz money grab. You might just have to buy a console and intervene with these so called knuckle draggers then so that they don't influence your sov. It's that simple, or perhaps recruit some of them to protect your sov? There will be lots of options, being a lazy tard with your nose in the air wont get you anywhere tho, just lost sov.
Soulita Inner Core	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:19:00 - [46]
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau Originally by: vixxen Miner Originally by: War Bear Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:54 Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 02:07:23 I honestly don't even care if this new content is free or not. I do think, however, that it should not be console exclusive. I loathe the thought of some console knuckle draggers having direct influence in our game while we have to sit back and watch from a distance. I'm sorry but that is distasteful. I don't begrudge CCP to try something new to make money but not at our expense. Make it a stand alone game for the console or you better damn well make sure that the PC players (you know, the ones paying your bills) have first dibs on this new content, especially since DUST effects EVE directly. No. It might be time for an EVE Emulator, so we can continue to play the game we've played for 6 years, not a "target audience" console kiddz money grab. You might just have to buy a console and intervene with these so called knuckle draggers then so that they don't influence your sov. It's that simple, or perhaps recruit some of them to protect your sov? There will be lots of options, being a lazy tard with your nose in the air wont get you anywhere tho, just lost sov. So what you are saying is you have so much disrequard to the existing player base that you condone exploitation of characters used via multiclient to macro mine the assets of the game only to be sold to cheaters? You condone alts being used as spies in cloaky ships in systems 23 hours a day? You are also saying yes to people hacking into the game and accounts. Basically, you are saying you would rather debase the game this way just to prevent an alleged "target audience" money grab? Got it.
Tek'a Rain Gallente Collegium Mechanicae Dominus Bellorum	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:24:00 - [48] Originally by: vixxen Miner They aren't THE deciding factor, they are A deciding factor. I can see alleged outside forces to team up with certain alliances/corportations, as an actual division of such entities. Yep sounds about right. /emote calls wambulance. Originally by: [url="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056" http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056[/url]] K: Now we need to ask further. YOu said that Events within DUST 514 will influence the Eve universe and the other way. How synced are the two worlds in detail? CCP: Very synced, honestly. A fight on a planet taking part within DUST will have immidiate impact on the stratetic control a single Eve Player or group of players will have over this planet. And it is very simple to keep these things synced. It might have a large impact, but it is not much data that we have to transfer. oh, yes.. lots of other deciding factors. wait, no. Outside of throwing isk at them, this takes important gameplay elements out of Our hands, us, the players.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Tek'a Rain Originally by: vixxen Miner They aren't THE deciding factor, they are A deciding factor. I can see alleged outside forces to team up with certain alliances/corportations, as an actual division of such entities. Yep sounds about right. /emote calls wambulance. Originally by: [url="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056" http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056[/url]] K: Now we need to ask further. YOu said that Events within DUST 514 will influence the Eve universe and the other way. How synced are the two worlds in detail? CCP: Very synced, honestly. A fight on a planet taking part within DUST will have immidiate impact on the stratetic control a single Eve Player or group of players will have over this planet. And it is very simple to keep these things synced. It might have a large impact, but it is not much data that we have to transfer. oh, yes.. lots of other deciding factors. wait, no. Outside of throwing isk at them, this takes important gameplay elements out of Our hands, us, the players. So the thought of throwing isk at mercs to protect your beloved planet never occured to you then..... Got it. Or the fact that you could recruit them into your alliance either didn't ring a bell either....Got it.
Tek'a Rain Gallente Collegium Mechanicae Dominus Bellorum	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:53:00 - [50] Originally by: vixxen Miner So the thought of throwing isk at mercs to protect your beloved planet never occured to you then..... Got it. Or the fact that you could recruit them into your alliance either didn't ring a bell either....Got it. Ah, now i get it. You are acting foolish on purpose, because its hard to imagine such talent coming along by accident. reducing gameplay in This game, in Eve:Online, to "throwing isk at mercs" is a bad plan. "recruit them into your alliance" Ah yes.. people who don't already play EVE will sign up for it because of a game that is lightyears different in play.. Got It. Everyone wants 2 sets of fees to play two games, plus hardware, just to fulfill a function in one.. Got It.

Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:54:00 - [51] I could deal with it if it was on PC, however **ing over your players, by taking ANY of the control away from us over 0.0 sov and wanting us to purchase a completely different gaming system is ****ed --------------------------------------------
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:57:00 - [52] Originally by: Shade Millith I could deal with it if it was on PC, however **ing over your players, by taking ANY of the control away from us over 0.0 sov and wanting us to purchase a completely different gaming system is ****ed This. CCP is tard or what?
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:06:00 - [53] Originally by: Tek'a Rain Originally by: vixxen Miner So the thought of throwing isk at mercs to protect your beloved planet never occured to you then..... Got it. Or the fact that you could recruit them into your alliance either didn't ring a bell either....Got it. Ah, now i get it. You are acting foolish on purpose, because its hard to imagine such talent coming along by accident. reducing gameplay in This game, in Eve:Online, to "throwing isk at mercs" is a bad plan. "recruit them into your alliance" Ah yes.. people who don't already play EVE will sign up for it because of a game that is lightyears different in play.. Got It. Everyone wants 2 sets of fees to play two games, plus hardware, just to fulfill a function in one.. Got It. Well I do believe it would be foolish to charge EVE players with existing accounts to play Dust, unless per say they introduced a discount to said players of like 5 dollars a month to play it. That would be a logical compromise. I agree they shouldn't charge for two accounts to play both eve and dust. Using isk is a method of gameplay. Look at trading. A simple form of pvp is just by being the highest bidder, and one who meets demand better. Discounting the tactic of using isk as reducing gameplay instead of enhancing it, is what's foolish.
Kusakaze	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:13:00 - [54] Edited by: Kusakaze on 19/08/2009 03:13:37 /signed
UberDeathDealer	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:17:00 - [55] /signed
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:18:00 - [56] I would also like to point out that Titans, and other capital ships, fleets, support ships and so on don't grow on trees. Just in case you didn't know. It takes isk to put them all together, if you think of merc groups as a part of these assets you will understand how important it will be to be the highest bidder, or the one with the biggest army. Down playing the tactic of throwing isk at a merc group is like saying you would rather be in your pod against a fleet of ships. Same concept. It will just become another expense to those alliances/corps who want to keep sov, just like buying a pos, or a capitol ship.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Sera Ryskin And yet somehow countless companies (CCP included) manage to make PC games that work just fine. In CCP's case, no they have not. Have you looked at the support forums? Do you have any idea how much of a company's resources can be eaten up supporting the many configurations a PC can be in? Then throw in the OSX support.... Since this is probably a new engine it will require a whole new support chain... starting with console only probably makes the differnce between 'we can support this' and 'you are on your own but everyone will rage if we don't hold their hands through every single piece of hardware in existance'. Quote: And somehow CCP manages to keep EVE running relatively hack-free. And it costs them dearly. In order to run EVE hack free, they have to do a lot of the computations server side and have lots of laggy communication between client and server. It is this 'relatively hack free' requirement that stops them from having dog fights and true ship control. If you can not trust the client, a lot of abilities go away.
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:33:00 - [58] Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 03:35:13 Originally by: vixxen Miner You might just have to buy a console and intervene with these so called knuckle draggers then so that they don't influence your sov. It's that simple, or perhaps recruit some of them to protect your sov? There will be lots of options, being a lazy tard with your nose in the air wont get you anywhere tho, just lost sov. Who the hell said anything about my sov? I don't have any to even worry about. My gripe is that players on another platform have the ability to influence our world. I wouldn't care if it was a console game based on planetary mining ffs. If content is being made for our universe that will, at some level, effect us then we should have a crack at it on our own platform. Why the holy hell should I have to cough up money for more hardware to play something that should be on our platform? Lets not even get into console shooter controls shall we? Regardless, I'm more than willing to pay for it for christ's sake. I love the idea of what the ground war is and can do. I'm rather irritated that the players that have been keeping this game afloat are taking a back seat to these so called "knuckle draggers". This isn't about sov. This is the principle of telling the PC users they're not welcome to this content. Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:48:00 - [59] Originally by: War Bear Edited by: War Bear on 19/08/2009 03:35:13 Originally by: vixxen Miner You might just have to buy a console and intervene with these so called knuckle draggers then so that they don't influence your sov. It's that simple, or perhaps recruit some of them to protect your sov? There will be lots of options, being a lazy tard with your nose in the air wont get you anywhere tho, just lost sov. Who the hell said anything about my sov? I don't have any to even worry about. My gripe is that players on another platform have the ability to influence our world. I wouldn't care if it was a console game based on planetary mining ffs. If content is being made for our universe that will, at some level, effect us then we should have a crack at it on our own platform. Why the holy hell should I have to cough up money for more hardware to play something that should be on our platform? Lets not even get into console shooter controls shall we? Regardless, I'm more than willing to pay for it for christ's sake. I love the idea of what the ground war is and can do. I'm rather irritated that the players that have been keeping this game afloat are taking a back seat to these so called "knuckle draggers". This isn't about sov. This is the principle of telling the PC users they're not welcome to this content. This is entirely about sov, no more no less. That is the only impact they will have on the game. If you don't have sov then don't worry about it. No one said there wouldn't be a way for you in eve to impact their play style. In fact it hasn't been discussed yet, except for the fact that you can draw up a contract and hire the mercs. No one has discussed yet how they will arrive at a planet to invade, or whether support fleets can engage forces on a planet through space. Also sure you could pick up a console, but that may not even be necessary. The use of your isk will be a controlling factor for these players. In fact it may be the only way they make isk who knows? I agree I hate using a controller for FPS games. If CCP can find a way to integrate a keyboard, and a mouse while using a console I would be more proned to playing dust myself. Either way getting your panties in a twist before knowing the full details makes you look silly.
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Originally by: Taedrin I'm going to have to disagree. Consoles offer several things over PCs: 1) A stable platform that never changes - ... If they were to release a PC version, they would have to test on hundreds, if not thousands of combinations of hardware. And yet somehow countless companies (CCP included) manage to make PC games that work just fine. This is merely an advantage that I speak of. I never meant to indicate that it was impossible to develop for the PC as that would be a foolish statement. Quote: Quote: 2) Consoles offer a more secure platform to operate on than PCs. ... True - consoles can be modded. However, this is harder to do and costs money as compared to downloading a cheat program for free off the internet and installing it. And somehow CCP manages to keep EVE running relatively hack-free. This is because EVE Online is nothing more than a dumb client, and the server does the vast majority of the computational work. All the player's computer does is draw some pretty pictures based on the information presented by the server. This is only possible because EVE Online does not require CPU intensive computations such as pixel perfect collision detection, ray tracing or handling a continuous flow of input. You will notice that space flight in EVE is not directly controlled by the player. Instead, the player issues commands, such as "orbit", "approach" or "maintain distance". Input only happens once every few seconds or so. EVE Online is also a "high latency" game. The game is capable of working properly even if you have a ping of 1000-2000ms. This will not be possible in an FPS, as FPS's require lots of time consuming computations, such as the pixel perfect collision detection and ray tracing that I mentioned above. Most FPS's today do almost ALL of the games computations on the client, and then the client sends the results of the computations to the server, where the server puts it all together and sends the appropriate updates to the other clients. This is why games like Team Fortress 2 have problems with aimbots, wall hacks, speed hacks, invulnerability hacks, so on and so forth. All that is needed is a third party program to modify a couple of bytes in memory. While you can do these same things on a console, it is much harder to do so. Quote: Quote: Aside from these two things, if CCP releases both a PC and a console version, the PC player will have a definite advantage over the console player... Too bad. Sucks to be a console player, huh? And this is WHY it will suck on a console, as you admit, the mouse and keyboard is infinitely superior to a controller in FPS games. This would be like saying WoW is superior to EVE because its UI is superior to EVE's. In reality, it does not matter because everyone in EVE has to play with the same UI so everyone must deal with the same limitations. The fact of the matter is that millions of people find console FPS's to be fun - even though they are not on the PC. So long as everyone is on the same playing field, DUST 514 will be fun. Mind you, we can have the same problem with DUST 514 suddenly being required to remain competitive in EVE Online, or vice versa. This is a bad thing, in my opinion. However, if CCP is careful, they can hopefully minimize this. Quote: Quote: All in all, porting DUST 514 to PC would be too expensive unless CCP has been planning to from the get go. Then if it's so difficult they need to scrap the project, and use the art assets to produce a proper PC FPS. Scrapping the project would be a kin to throwing away millions of dollars, and thousands of man-hours. This would generally be considered a bad business decision.

Wu Jiaqiu Azer Irregulars Beer and Smoke Federation	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:16:00 - [61] I like how some people here act like a USB Mouse and Keyboard isnt compatible with the PS3. Supported anyway - I would like it for the PC, even though I have a PS3.
vixxen Miner	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:24:00 - [62] Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu I like how some people here act like a USB Mouse and Keyboard isnt compatible with the PS3. Supported anyway - I would like it for the PC, even though I have a PS3. I hope so, I wasn't just acting, I don't own a PS3 so I wouldn't know if you could hook up a keyboard or a mouse. I did know they had USB connections but that could be used for additional storage or a bunch of other things. Although with 80-160gb's is alot of storage.....Any ways if it can I'm game to just switching to a console for both eve and dust. :)
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:26:00 - [63] Originally by: vixxen Miner Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu I like how some people here act like a USB Mouse and Keyboard isnt compatible with the PS3. Supported anyway - I would like it for the PC, even though I have a PS3. I hope so, I wasn't just acting, I don't own a PS3 so I wouldn't know if you could hook up a keyboard or a mouse. I did know they had USB connections but that could be used for additional storage or a bunch of other things. Although with 80-160gb's is alot of storage.....Any ways if it can I'm game to just switching to a console for both eve and dust. :) The main difficulty with that would be drivers for the mouse and keyboard. However, those should be simple enough that anyone who needed them could simply code them themselves. Keyboards and mice are pretty standardized now that one driver should work for (almost) all of them.
Sir Substance MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:26:00 - [64] i must give my support to this topic. i am a poor uni student, and buying a console would constitute spending about 12% of my yearly paycheck, something i cant justify. i would very much like to see this implemented on PC, and if subscription based could perhaps be added onto my current sub like eve voice was once optional for another $5 or something? if it is implemented on consoles only, i would feel very alientated, since i could never afford to take part in what would become a very important part of eve. one of the things i like about eve is that there is nothing you cannot do. a caldari can fly gallente ships, a miner can turn to piracy. but if you split the game like this and then dont allow those of us who arnt ****ting money to get access to it, it goes very much against the spirit of the game. ------ I, for one, welcome our new console overlords!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:30:00 - [65] Originally by: War Bear Who the hell said anything about my sov? I don't have any to even worry about. My gripe is that players on another platform have the ability to influence our world. I wouldn't care if it was a console game based on planetary mining ffs. If content is being made for our universe that will, at some level, effect us then we should have a crack at it on our own platform. Why the holy hell should I have to cough up money for more hardware to play something that should be on our platform? Lets not even get into console shooter controls shall we? Regardless, I'm more than willing to pay for it for christ's sake. I love the idea of what the ground war is and can do. I'm rather irritated that the players that have been keeping this game afloat are taking a back seat to these so called "knuckle draggers". This isn't about sov. This is the principle of telling the PC users they're not welcome to this content. Damn you CCP, letting Mac players into our game! What's next, a Linux client? Have you no shame?
Nikita Alterana Clearly Compensating R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:33:00 - [66] Edited by: Nikita Alterana on 19/08/2009 04:32:59 supported, I don't want to have to drop 300 dollars on a console to expand my eve experience. I don't really care for consoles anyway, I'd much rather play it on the PC. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions!
Perpello Astralite Technologies	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:35:00 - [67] Console exclusivity Give us Dust 514 for the PC, sod consoles
Gnulpie Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.08.19 04:55:00 - [68]
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:01:00 - [69] I'm on the fence here. On the one hand I can see why CCP didn't release it on the PC and on the other I would have liked to play it, as I refuse to buy a console. Possible reasons for the console release: - Console gamers don't read reviews, they buy on impulse, based on pretty adverts in the shops - Consoles are easier to code for than PC's as there is only a set hardware and, thus, no compatibility issues - EVE players can play the console game as well as the MMO at the same time, thus milking them off money - This is a way to reach out to a wide audience and, possibly, attract more players to EVE The most important ones are probably the average intelligence of console game buyers and the fact that CCP would like to reach out to a wider audience and, thus, make more money. Now I know we would all like to play the game but would a PC release detract from the game and draw people from EVE to Dust? That could be one reason why CCP haven't released it on the PC. To be honest I'm pretty happy with EVE as it is, though I do like the idea of interracting with the planetary crowd, even if it's to bombard those fools with wave after wave of Antimatter from my Mega's railguns . Guess who has the upper hand if this were possible? Chribba can sit there and bombard the Amarr planets all day long in his Veldnought, so unfair
Jessica Bains Silicon Moon	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:22:00 - [70] Supported!

Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:49:00 - [71] Agreed.
Nemiscent	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:52:00 - [72] I don't own a console. I don't even own a TV. How much, CCP, do you expect me to pay to play this game? No thank you.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.19 05:53:00 - [73] Originally by: Jasonwilliams Edited by: Jasonwilliams on 19/08/2009 00:34:45 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto I've never used a PS3 or Xbox 360, but don't they have USB ports, and can't they support keyboards and mice? I'm fully in favour of them supporting that input scheme in Dust, because a controller is the mouse's ******ed nephew for FPS work, but as long as they do the choice of systems to be played on is sort of secondary to me. I'd prefer not to have to buy a console to play it, but from a point of view of game design, I'm cool with them doing whatever as long as the players can use mice. You would need a mouse AND keyboard that require NO drivers what so ever for them to function on either system. There is a controller for the PS3 called the FragFX that kind of mimics a keyboard and mouse, but it's compatibility and usability are really low according to a few users I've talked to about it. PS3, same USB port. You can use a USB storage device to input drivers, or you can download them from Internet directly on the PS3.
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.08.19 06:13:00 - [74] Make it available for PC/MAC because there are tons of kids who would love to get in on the action but don't have the consoles to begin with. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Tselpst Chulth	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:54:00 - [75] All thumbs up for making DUST a PC release. Supported.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:06:00 - [76] I agree, develop EvE Online for consoles!
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:08:00 - [77] I just hope all the interaction with this market of people is at arms length. Really don't want to have to talk to console squeakers. If you've got a mate with xbox live, jump on, spend 10mins playing any game, you'll see what I mean.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:19:00 - [78] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 19/08/2009 08:21:48 This obsessing about cheating is just stupid. First, the "problem" with cheating in a normal online FPS is incredibly exaggerated. I've spent countless hours playing them online, and I very rarely encounter any cheaters (or if I do, they still suck so much that I win anyway). Most of the time the only sign of the cheater is when they are automatically kicked with a "banned for X hack" message the moment they connect to the server. But besides that, there's a fundamental difference: A normal FPS has countless individual servers. Therefore cheating has minimal risk, even if you get caught, you've still got plenty of other servers to play on. The most any one server can do is ban you from that specific server, and there are some that don't even do that much. With one copy of the game, a cheater can pretty much cheat as long as they want and annoy as many people as they can until they finally get tired of cheating and either decide to play honestly or move on to a new game. Dust will have a centralized server. Or at least it will for all of the events that can have any effect on EVE. This means that if you get caught cheating, say goodbye to your account, you'll have to buy a new copy of the game to play again. And a combination of an automated cheat detection system and a "report to admin" feature (and they will have to have this no matter what system they release it on, as cheating on a console is merely more difficult, not impossible) means that you WILL get caught. How many people do you think are going to spend $50 every day just to keep cheating in an online FPS when there are so many other games to cheat in that don't have this feature? ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:37:00 - [79] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Dust will have a centralized server. I wonder how they're going to work that. There is no way possible to play an FPS from Australia on an overseas server. Anyone enjoy playing a game based on reaction time and accuracy while being half a second behind the other players?
CommanderData211	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:57:00 - [80] I am very worried about the fact that DUST gameplay will have a direct impact on the landscape of EVE. I understand the logistical reasons for making a FPS for the console only. CCP will make more money, plain and simple. And I guess I understand the connectivity in some sense with the EVE world (Maybe EVE customers will staddle the fence and spend money on both EVE and dust, while still attracting an entirely new player base). Sovereignty though seems to be an insane tie in. My question is this. Why are the players of EVE being, in a very direct way, taken out of the equation in terms of controlling space we inhabit. Yes CCP has stated that fleet warfare will still play a part in the role of sovereignty, but it makes no sense to link such an important part of what makes EVE special, to an entirely different player base than those flying the ships and truly inhabiting the space (We were here FIRST!). The main thrust of my point however is that instead of making a clever add on that could impact players in a tertiary way (I.E. hiring an entity in DUST to steal ISK directly from an entity in EVE, or using an entity in DUST to transport consumables through the universe of EVE fighting along the way) they are implementing a system that will require a new game, in another medium, to not only be successful but also require players of this new system to care about the subtle power plays that happen in the EVE world. Mainly though, this is taking a major portion of the "ownership" feeling that EVE fosters and giving it to a group who, in a direct sense, have nothing to do with EVE. I am all for expanding the ways that we can play EVE, but I want to be directly part of it. I don't want to hire a group that may or may not be good at what they do, and hinge the space that I fight for and inhabit (And fill with very expensive things that take very real time and energy to acquire) upon them. Even if the DUST players require some sort of major support from EVE fleets for movement or funding or whatnot, it still begs the question, why is our sovereignty going to be affected (In any way at all) by a different game?

Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:05:00 - [81] Originally by: CommanderData211 My question is this. Why are the players of EVE being, in a very direct way, taken out of the equation in terms of controlling space we inhabit. What are you doing on this server, I don't like you. Get out of my player-base.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:25:00 - [82] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 19/08/2009 09:25:38 Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Originally by: Sera Ryskin Dust will have a centralized server. I wonder how they're going to work that. There is no way possible to play an FPS from Australia on an overseas server. Anyone enjoy playing a game based on reaction time and accuracy while being half a second behind the other players? Easy, you host the game itself on a local server, but you have a centralized server to keep all the stats/accounts/etc and exchange information with EVE. When you join the local server, it pulls your stats/etc from the central server (just a one-time thing) and verifies your account status. Get your account banned for cheating and you might be able to play on a LAN or something, but you sure as hell won't be joining any official games or having any influence on EVE. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Easy, you host the game itself on a local server, but you have a centralized server to keep all the stats/accounts/etc and exchange information with EVE. I kinda doubt CCP would be setting up geolocated servers.... So they'd likely have to be 3rd party.... Which would be a nightmare to manage and keep the data legit.... Which likely means it'll all be on a central server cluster somewhere? With maybe, mirrors in major markets.... Australia not being a major market I'd hazard a guess that we'll miss out.
CommanderData211	Posted - 2009.08.19 10:53:00 - [84] Edited by: CommanderData211 on 19/08/2009 10:54:18 Get out of YOUR player base? Why don't you take your infantile response and deposit it where sunshine will not reach. While you're there, why don't you find something constructive to say instead of trolling.
CyberGh0st Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:46:00 - [85] Yes I support this. I woudld go even further and ask for Dust514 integration in EVE Online thru WIS. EVE Online players keep paying something like 15Ç / month and Console players that can only play DUST514 and WIS pay somthing like 8Ç / month With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
jos wijnants	Posted - 2009.08.19 11:57:00 - [86] anywhere an statement from ccp to the community bc everything they promised us in the past is given to the console its a stab in the back is the way i think about it
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:22:00 - [87] Originally by: CommanderData211 Edited by: CommanderData211 on 19/08/2009 10:54:18 Get out of YOUR player base? Why don't you take your infantile response and deposit it where sunshine will not reach. While you're there, why don't you find something constructive to say instead of trolling. If it quacks like a hypocrite, walks like a hypocrite and looks like a hypocrite.... If you so burn for keeping console players out of this wonderful world of ours called EVE, perhaps you should reevaluate your reasons for being here. First they go for the console player, and no one complains because we don't like them. Then they go for the linux players, and no one complains...
Jastra Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:48:00 - [88] PC > Console, having bought two which idle in a cupboard now way I'm buying another to play, WTF is wrong with making a PC version? _ _ _
Sanni Cantosa	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:51:00 - [89]
Syaran Pure Annihilation Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:54:00 - [90] Edited by: Syaran on 19/08/2009 12:54:51 Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: CommanderData211 Edited by: CommanderData211 on 19/08/2009 10:54:18 Get out of YOUR player base? Why don't you take your infantile response and deposit it where sunshine will not reach. While you're there, why don't you find something constructive to say instead of trolling. If it quacks like a hypocrite, walks like a hypocrite and looks like a hypocrite.... If you so burn for keeping console players out of this wonderful world of ours called EVE, perhaps you should reevaluate your reasons for being here. First they go for the console player, and no one complains because we don't like them. Then they go for the linux players, and no one complains... Dispite this probably being a troll attempt, I cannot resist feeding... As said before, a console vs PC argument is entirely different from one flavour PC vs another. A mac/Linux player also has a mouse and keyboard, and has the same advantages and difficulties as a windows player. A console player is stuck with either a controller or very limited keyboard and mouse support. On top of that, this console game is an external factor. All of a sudden an external factor you have no control over can severely limit what you can do in a sandbox game. This is pretty much contrary to the very foundations on which EVE is built. If you can't see how this is a bad idea... Making this non exclusive is a first step, so supported.

Arloeswr Ecliptic Rift	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:47:00 - [91] PC or Death!
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:48:00 - [92] I don't have an issue with it. Development time on console is often shorter since much of the work has been done before you. If CCP were wise they would liscence engine software and instead just worry about filling the content. /..hint hint...frostbite ccp
Siona Windweaver Placeholder Holdings	Posted - 2009.08.19 14:22:00 - [93]
Valuv Dark Ascendancy The Council.	Posted - 2009.08.19 14:40:00 - [94] PC or Death!
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:11:00 - [95] This thread is producing an epic river of tears. GET OVER IT. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
Kytanos Termek Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:29:00 - [96]
Natasha Zenith Crushed Ambitions Soldiers of Solitude	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:39:00 - [97] /signed Please give us a PC client of DUST 514 CCP. Many of us have been loyal to you for years, don't forget about us. Personally I do not care for consoles and hate FPS on consoles.
Hashin Kyojin	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:47:00 - [98] PC all the way
Jonathan Mcarthur GK inc.	Posted - 2009.08.19 16:55:00 - [99] /signed
Tira Mitzu	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:14:00 - [100]

Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:26:00 - [101] Not much to discuss. I hope CCP comes clean at the fanfest that a PC version is in parallel development. There is no way I would use a 'gamepad' controller. ...
Psi Klone	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:42:00 - [102] PC gaming over console any day. No exclusives!
Numinos Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.08.19 17:47:00 - [103] / signed unardiburges Geharse
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.19 18:29:00 - [104] First, FPS games are much better with mouse control Second, while it's good to expand target audience to console players, there's no good reason to exclude PC audience. CCP wants to make money, right? why would the purposefully deny themselves 100,000~ sales? There's gotta be something tricky going on.
Cainne Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.19 18:55:00 - [105] /Signed I've been playing EvE for almost 4 years now (on and off) mostly off, but I have pretty much a one year sub that until now I had no plans of ever cancelling. Frankly, if they deny PC users access to Dust514, an FPS, given that the FPS genre began on the PC and is still the medium in which the controls permit you to excel at (no console controller can replace keyboard mouse for shooters), I will for the first time in a long while cancel my account, possibly completely backlash against ccp for such an absurd move. -------------------------------------------
dart veidur	Posted - 2009.08.19 18:56:00 - [106]
Azraeljbs Demented Unity DRACONIAN COVENANT	Posted - 2009.08.19 19:12:00 - [107] Edited by: Azraeljbs on 19/08/2009 19:16:16 I'm all about bringing this to the PC. Only problem I could forsee is the use of cheats which is easily countered by using STEAM as the distribution and play method, or make it a true MMO/FPS with regular updates and support to counter hacks and cheats. Not bringing this to the PC is a mistake. You could update the game on a regular basis with weapons, mods, all sorts of nifty tools, power suits or mechs, the possibilities are endless and CCP is selling themselves short. There is a severe lack of good MMO/FPS on the PC. Planetside was fun while it lasted but got stale and repetitive even though they tried to keep it fresh their efforts were half hearted at best...typical SOE. There is a very large market out there waiting to be tapped and CCP will miss the mark if they don't develop and implement this part of the EVE universe properly. Bring this to the PC as an MMO or an addition to EVE(although that would be pretty hard to do), but don't let it go to consoles only where it will wither and die in 6 months or more when the next big shooter for consoles arrives, with the exception of a few diehard players. This has a lot of potential CCP the community has been asking for something like this for a long time. Terra firma battles have been speculated about for years and years. Then you go and anounce it for consoles...what were you thinking? Don't **** this away CCP. I hate to see a great developmental idea get flushed because console gamers get bored with it in a few months.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.08.19 19:31:00 - [108] Originally by: Azraeljbs Edited by: Azraeljbs on 19/08/2009 19:16:16 I'm all about bringing this to the PC. Only problem I could forsee is the use of cheats which is easily countered by using STEAM as the distribution and play method, or make it a true MMO/FPS with regular updates and support to counter hacks and cheats. Not bringing this to the PC is a mistake. You could update the game on a regular basis with weapons, mods, all sorts of nifty tools, power suits or mechs, the possibilities are endless and CCP is selling themselves short. There is a severe lack of good MMO/FPS on the PC. Planetside was fun while it lasted but got stale and repetitive even though they tried to keep it fresh their efforts were half hearted at best...typical SOE. There is a very large market out there waiting to be tapped and CCP will miss the mark if they don't develop and implement this part of the EVE universe properly. Bring this to the PC as an MMO or an addition to EVE(although that would be pretty hard to do), but don't let it go to consoles only where it will wither and die in 6 months or more when the next big shooter for consoles arrives, with the exception of a few diehard players. This has a lot of potential CCP the community has been asking for something like this for a long time. Terra firma battles have been speculated about for years and years. Then you go and anounce it for consoles...what were you thinking? Don't **** this away CCP. I hate to see a great developmental idea get flushed because console gamers get bored with it in a few months. The VAC system tends to be a little intrusive into the Server aspect of the game... I'm not sure CCP would be willing to allow that. But its a valid point none-the-less. And I know for a fact that the VAC is very effective. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Azraeljbs Gallente Demented Unity DRACONIAN COVENANT	Posted - 2009.08.19 19:35:00 - [109] Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Azraeljbs Edited by: Azraeljbs on 19/08/2009 19:16:16 Wall of text The VAC system tends to be a little intrusive into the Server aspect of the game... I'm not sure CCP would be willing to allow that. But its a valid point none-the-less. And I know for a fact that the VAC is very effective. I know they released EVE on STEAM, however I'm unaware if it uses the VAC system also or not. Anyone??........
Dinger Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.08.19 20:01:00 - [110] /signed

Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.19 20:16:00 - [111] HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG THE TEARS, THE TEARS!!!! get over it PC *****s, all this crying is truely pathetic
CommanderData211	Posted - 2009.08.19 20:38:00 - [112] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: CommanderData211 Edited by: CommanderData211 on 19/08/2009 10:54:18 Get out of YOUR player base? Why don't you take your infantile response and deposit it where sunshine will not reach. While you're there, why don't you find something constructive to say instead of trolling. If it quacks like a hypocrite, walks like a hypocrite and looks like a hypocrite.... If you so burn for keeping console players out of this wonderful world of ours called EVE, perhaps you should reevaluate your reasons for being here. First they go for the console player, and no one complains because we don't like them. Then they go for the linux players, and no one complains... Your idiocy... Frightening. Notice where I mention other areas that could have tied DUST into EVE? I do not want to keep the console gaming community out. I just don't want them to have an impact on something as huge as SOVEREIGNTY. Can anyone here honestly tell me that they are fine with an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAME controlling, even in a small fashion, the sovereignty in EVE? Please get off your high horse and turning this issue into something it is not. I actually think the idea of blending two different games into one persistent universe is awesome. I just don't want to see things taken AWAY from EVE players, and especially not something as gameplay-influential as sovereignty.
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:12:00 - [113] MATT DAMON!
Creed Demastikus Bregan Dearthe United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:13:00 - [114]
Oathborne Genstar Inc	Posted - 2009.08.19 21:32:00 - [115] I don't like the console idea simply for the reason that some other people have mentioned. I'm not a console person, never have been. I still have a Ps2 that collects dust. (no pun intended) I would like to see it made available for both systems.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.08.19 22:32:00 - [116] Originally by: Azraeljbs Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Azraeljbs Edited by: Azraeljbs on 19/08/2009 19:16:16 Wall of text The VAC system tends to be a little intrusive into the Server aspect of the game... I'm not sure CCP would be willing to allow that. But its a valid point none-the-less. And I know for a fact that the VAC is very effective. I know they released EVE on STEAM, however I'm unaware if it uses the VAC system also or not. Anyone??........ No it does mot... You would see an indicator or logo of some kind. VAC requires going through VALVE's network in some form or fashion. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Zastrow J	Posted - 2009.08.20 00:10:00 - [117] I don't think we're going to be able to do **** about this, but I'll mention it
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.20 01:06:00 - [118] Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 20/08/2009 01:07:07 The concept is interesting and it will be very interesting to see the implementation. The console is kinda part of the design too.... I'm thinking of the console users as very simple AI. They are ants running around being stupid, semi-******ed squeaker console kids make near perfect AI. :-) It might actually be sad if PC users played this side of the game. I'd feel sorry for any real person that subjected themselves to playing in this audience. We can all look at console users with disdain, making our demi-god status as capsuleers reflected in our superiority to people who buy bad computers, with bad audience, and bad expensive games. It might actually work. :-)
Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2009.08.20 01:22:00 - [119] I appreciate you being willing to bring it up, and thats all I ask. I certainly understand that, for this particular issue, the CSM likely has very little influence. Thanks though!
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.20 01:22:00 - [120] Originally by: Arloeswr PC or Death! In your will can you say that I can have your stuff?

Daniel Jackson Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.08.20 01:40:00 - [121] Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 20/08/2009 01:41:48 CCP Should just make their OWN GAMING system and make it capable of using both EVE's on it :P They allready have their own engineers to make Advanced systems to support this whole eve universe seemenignless and single shard server etc ___ Sigs removed. Please resize sig to 400 x 120 and a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Please note, only one image per sig - Mitnal
Okanta Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.08.20 03:07:00 - [122] /Signed
Corian Teranos Critical Mass Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.20 05:52:00 - [123] Any game that can interact with the eve universe MUST be available to the pc. /signed just a speculation here is it possible that the reasion dust isn't being ported is because the features and capabilitys will simply be included in a eve patch.
Nur AlHuda Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:27:00 - [124] support
Jonas Calvin House Theodoulos	Posted - 2009.08.20 18:50:00 - [125] Agreed. From this end, it appears that CCP is wanting to expand their gaming universe without detrimentally effecting their EVE Online player base. Why else would they distinctly exclude the PC user from DUST? Their programmers can't be that moronic as to be able to program for an XBox and not for a PC or Mac.
Michael Unlimited	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:10:00 - [126] Yes PC would be good for people that don't want to buy a $400 console just to play one game.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:13:00 - [127] I certainly hope that there will be a version accessible to PC users, even if not at initial launch.
Neftzen	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:42:00 - [128]
Caelum Mortuos Zero G Research and Development	Posted - 2009.08.21 00:37:00 - [129] Edited by: Caelum Mortuos on 21/08/2009 00:38:13 I have doubts about the concept as a whole, but if it's gonna happen, at least let me bloody play it Edit - I fail at ticky boxes
The Slayer Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.21 01:37:00 - [130] Not supported, game is not required to play eve its a spinoff with features that can help in eve and completely optional. Cross platform (console+pc) fpsing would never work and this game is three years into a console development cycle. There are already a ton of PC fps's, go play them.

Mr Vrix Vrix Nation	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:23:00 - [131] signed rly stupid its not availeble on pc while it gona effect eve somuch . ______________________________________________ Better to Die many times Then to Never Lived atall
zykerx Vrix Nation	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:30:00 - [132] . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Eve Undergr0und	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:31:00 - [133] /signed
stadshage Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:32:00 - [134] dust needs to on the pc also yes pc gamers have a up over the xbox ps3 with control so give them a semi aim bot or something to balance this out but if something is gone interact with eve current eve gamers should also be able to effect it and not be forced to buy a console semi vote for being able to nuke dust players from orbit would be nice to
oil University of Caille	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:26:00 - [135] Edited by: oil on 21/08/2009 09:27:24 game boxes are next to obsolete as computers are far more widespred now. its a dead end imo. i was happy anbd excited about this new thing especially because i am an RTS gamer for 15 years now really. but i probably wont buy a box just for that game. pc i can use for many things. console just for 1 game. thanx for leaving us loyal customesrs (6 years here) out in the cold. btw how do i vote here i guess its related to the hands on the left side?
DRACO selen Krupp-Stahl Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.08.21 10:00:00 - [136] I'd realy like play dust (or at least i'd like to try it), however i will not buy a console for it /signed
Chestrano	Posted - 2009.08.21 10:31:00 - [137] /signed I definitely would buy this game on Pc or even on the Wii. But I dont want to buy any consol im not interested in and i dont want to play this game on an gamepad!
hired goon	Posted - 2009.08.21 11:49:00 - [138] Counter-supporting for ignorance and premature negativity based on very early ideas that are not solid or final. -omg-
Pyro Miner Dutch Powerrr	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:32:00 - [139] supported
Pyro Explorer	Posted - 2009.08.21 15:33:00 - [140]

Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:41:00 - [141] Confirming that the sky is indeed falling and all you Chicken Littles should continue to run around screaming and waving your hands in the air. (jesus christ this thread)
Monklon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:22:00 - [142] Originally by: hired goon Counter-supporting for ignorance and premature negativity based on very early ideas that are not solid or final. There is nothing premature about this topic. The CEO has said it himself: K: What we have been asked by our readers is: why only make the game available for console and not for PC? CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter. (source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056) Lesson: research before you attack.
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:39:00 - [143] Originally by: Monklon K: What we have been asked by our readers is: why only make the game available for console and not for PC? CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter. (source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056) Lesson: research before you attack. Note that statement from CCP implies the game will not support mouse and keyboard control, not in a way PC FPS games do - for sure. So even if you can plug in mouse to your PS3 or XBox, it will not work as expected. IMO, any FPS not designed to handle mouse and keyboard as primary input is a GIMPED FPS It's like making a car that drives with Joystick instead of wheel and pedals. It CAN work, but there's something wrong with it, and certainly offers less convenient control. Simply not best design path.
Raveln	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:42:00 - [144] Edited by: Raveln on 21/08/2009 19:47:42 I would like for it to be released on the PC. But even if not for that case, I would support it simply in reaction to the hypocrites who whine about other people who whine.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:54:00 - [145] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Monklon K: What we have been asked by our readers is: why only make the game available for console and not for PC? CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter. (source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056) Lesson: research before you attack. Note that statement from CCP implies the game will not support mouse and keyboard control, not in a way PC FPS games do - for sure. So even if you can plug in mouse to your PS3 or XBox, it will not work as expected. IMO, any FPS not designed to handle mouse and keyboard as primary input is a GIMPED FPS It's like making a car that drives with Joystick instead of wheel and pedals. It CAN work, but there's something wrong with it, and certainly offers less convenient control. Simply not best design path. Having played FPS competitively for ... I don't know how freaking long.. I made the transition to one on the console with the Battlefield series Using a controller instead of a kyb/mse combo... its really not as bad as some people make it out to be. In fact in some instances, its actually better.
Red Raider Caldari Airbourne Demons DeMoN's N AnGeL's	Posted - 2009.08.21 20:10:00 - [146] Originally by: Raveln Edited by: Raveln on 21/08/2009 19:47:42 I would like for it to be released on the PC. But even if not for that case, I would support it simply in reaction to the hypocrites who whine about other people who whine. Does that make you a hypocriticrit? I learn a little bit more about the purpose of this forum before you start pointing fingers and calling names. The reason why this thread is full of fail is because of three things. 1. Polling PC gamers, which is what this thread is more or less, is generally going to end up with biased results anyways. In all likelihood the majority of these people are those misguided individuals who think that spending $5k on a computer that barely outperforms a $1k dollar computer in an area undetectable by the human eye anyways gives them an edge so they did that rather than buy a console and will be paying off their Alieneware or equivalent for the next decade. 2. The morans saying consoles are dead. Considering that the vast majority of games sold now are sold on consoles reality begs to differ but reality isn't these people strong points anyways so take that for what its worth. Go to your local Gamestop and the pathetic PC section sums it up pretty well for a reason. 3. The CSM is a representative body of the player base not a governing body of CCP. So they have no say in this matter anyways. Half the stuff they recommend to CCP is either rejected or ignored anyways. Of the other half 1/4 is crap that is easy enough to fix and the other is generally implemented in some way other than what the player base expected which hasn't always been a good thing. TL/DR Whining about this is like *****ing about gravity. A happy gamer isnt on the forums, they are playing the game unless they have an idea that they honestly think is helping out.
ZigZag Joe Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.21 21:35:00 - [147] I'd say yes, except, at this point, a PC version would be rushed and moreover it'd have to come prenerfed otherwise the pc players would slaughter the console tarts like the nubbins they are. I'm sure porting would be a snap what with the xbox being closely(ish) related to windows, but there's no win-win here. The COD analogy doesn't apply as COD console players can't play with COD PC players, so it's not unlikely both are good. (relatively speaking). So, ultimately, it does not matter.
Camios Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.21 22:44:00 - [148] Edited by: Camios on 21/08/2009 22:44:11 signed
jos wijnants	Posted - 2009.08.21 23:14:00 - [149] what if Dust will be released for the next gen consoles (2011 or earlier) and not for the crappy old ones will we get a new petition for all old xbox and ps3 players ?
jos wijnants	Posted - 2009.08.21 23:18:00 - [150] Originally by: ZigZag Joe The COD analogy doesn't apply as COD console players can't play with COD PC players, so it's not unlikely both are good. (relatively speaking). Correct but Cod was a pc game ,Activison shifted interest in consoles ,and al was left was a bad conole/pc port that scares me when i think of EvE

Apolion	Posted - 2009.08.22 01:41:00 - [151] I'm concerned that this is a break from the promise CCP has made to its player base that all game updates and new content would be free. I also take a very skeptical stand on the response that Quote: "CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter." Not by much. The fact of the matter is that target area coding for consoles FPS simply opens the targetable area larger than the PC by implementing to varying degree Auto targeting. On some console games it's overt, a setting that a player can toggle! On other game its simply hardcoded and adjusted along with difficulty settings, if at all. This is done to compensate for the gross control those tiny joystick provide to players of consoles. Whatever the true reason (i.e. money) console game development is simply cheaper. Now to those that beleive that there is any other superiority the console game have over PC becouse of the miriade of configuration. let me say. You dont know what your talking about. There is NO PC programmer that writes his code, be it game or buisness to hardware, unless his companny sells the specific hardware. Thats why PC game players know to keep the latest drivers updated, becouse programmers write to the latest "Standar drivers" not to hardware. another thing to consider is that all games PS3, Xbox, Wii... are written first on a PC in an emulator runtime enviroment so Consoles will always be behind the curve for speed and graphics power than PCs. someone mention this Quote: "just a speculation here, is it possible that the reason DUST 514 isn't being ported is because the features and capabilities will simply be included in a eve patch." We have all be awaiting "'Encarna' the Ambulation upgrade". I hope this is not an admittance of defeat for CCP to actually implement what they have hyped for so long. On the other hand this would be great if our veterans could interacting with the new player base providing them with the capabilities to be transported to planets were the FPS game style could make a difference in holding/gaining systems. Just imagine what influence a ship captain can hold on the goings on of ground warfare even if its simply the vehicle to introduce more resources into a battlefield providing and transporting weapons, men, and ground vehicles could be a nice business. It could also create a real smuggling sub profession as well. Soveranty would only be affected were we that hold space chose to allow and/or bring forth the grownd component. My imagination explodes with possibilities but nothing will be even possible if they don't begin with the first step.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.22 04:36:00 - [152] Why do people keep talking about transporting troops.... Can't see how that fits in at all... No console user is going to wait at a loading screen while a player freighter moves them into position. There is a difference between console and PC shooters. * GTA4 on console features auto-targetting. * GTA4 on PC uses the mouse and you can get 100% headshots with ease. * Halo on the console uses the joysticks very well and gives fine-grained control in a way that becomes an extension of the player. * Halo on PC? Haven't tried it but likely works quite well, the style of Halo should lend itself to a mouse. So there are different methods and some cross-over better then others. I'm just really starting to think if we're going to have bottom-feeding sub-capsuleer mindless plebs then they may as well be kids playing on consoles. Makes it good for role-play and immersion when the pleps are considered just that in RL as well as game.
Cosah Extrarius Legio	Posted - 2009.08.22 06:12:00 - [153]
TEXTLINER	Posted - 2009.08.22 09:16:00 - [154] <3 keyboard and mouse
Jarlexly Bregan Dearthe United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.22 10:24:00 - [155] Supporting!
Hannn Solo	Posted - 2009.08.22 10:41:00 - [156] Supporting
Lorien Deathwhisper	Posted - 2009.08.22 10:48:00 - [157] Supporting
Volitaire	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:45:00 - [158] Edited by: Volitaire on 22/08/2009 12:46:53 Only problem I have about it being on PC is.. Would it be available for both os supported by Eve (windows/mac) or exclusive Windows?
SMX	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:08:00 - [159] I refuse to buy a console, not because I can't but because lately companies seem to be trying to force everyone to buy a console.
Noa Fuyu Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:09:00 - [160] supportin -------------------------- I would throw a hundred ships into the void just to see you crushed.

ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:26:00 - [161] Im sorry but i have played console FPS's online on console and i can tell you now.... the PC and Console community are NOT compatible, 95% of console gamers are complete ******s. and why should we depend on these Dust troops for sovereignty, i know we don't want POS warfare to affect sovereignty but relying on people from a completely different console is just stupid. Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
KaRa DaVuT Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:30:00 - [162]
WampeIt	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:49:00 - [163] Edited by: WampeIt on 22/08/2009 15:09:30 Supporting
BladeExtreme	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:50:00 - [164] Edited by: BladeExtreme on 22/08/2009 14:50:36 Supporting
Chainsaw Lumberjack	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:51:00 - [165] Edited by: Chainsaw Lumberjack on 22/08/2009 14:53:37 I have a ps3 but eve players are pc players.So CCP what's happening to you.Making "Dusk 514" only to consoles mean you're after that big juicy fish "Money".Well i dont care about it but atleast give that game to us as well who really lives in eve universe.
Regius	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:58:00 - [166] Edited by: Regius on 22/08/2009 15:01:55 Supporting
Ambaire	Posted - 2009.08.22 15:00:00 - [167] ... an FPS tie-in for Eve, on consoles only??? WTF, CCP?
Nakre	Posted - 2009.08.22 15:31:00 - [168] Supporting
tobig	Posted - 2009.08.22 15:52:00 - [169] /Signed
Kursat	Posted - 2009.08.22 15:53:00 - [170] /Signed

Sithorian	Posted - 2009.08.22 15:54:00 - [171] /Signed
jos wijnants	Posted - 2009.08.22 16:27:00 - [172] i googled dust 514 i bit i saw that everybody except the present Eve community loves it when Dust will come out only for console be ready for a lot of new accounts. but will it stay the same EvE we all love? i doubt it EvE will change thats for sure,if you like it fine be happy with it. if you don,t,welcome to the club m8 (if things turn out what i am afraid for) and for those idiots who want to scream give me your stuff!!! at the moment eve is gonna be as i am afraid of i simply trash everything spent all of my isk and trash again no point in giving my isk in an economy i don,t believe in anymore. Microsoft got its grasp on the next good pc-game,that was never good news for pcplayers before somebody wants to flame me about this. i respect your opinion ,plz respect mine!!!!
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:19:00 - [173]
Agallis Zinthros Altruism. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:22:00 - [174] signed It's not piracy, its surprise PVP.
Dalwin	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:02:00 - [175] Originally by: Ralmus Awsine Edited by: Ralmus Awsine on 19/08/2009 00:58:47 Beyond this, excluding DUST players from alliance chat via Ventrilo and TeamSpeak is a definite detriment. I agree with most of the original post, but wanted to add something concerning this bit. There are enough online gamers that dual box games, especially in a game of the intensity that I expect Dust to have, that the idea of someone running vent on their pc or laptop even though they are playing on the console will not be entirely uncommon. This should be especially true for the leader types among the ground pounders. Frankly, those are probably the only ones you'll want in your vent server anyway.
Dalwin	Posted - 2009.08.22 22:47:00 - [176] Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Why do people keep talking about transporting troops.... Can't see how that fits in at all... No console user is going to wait at a loading screen while a player freighter moves them into position. There is a difference between console and PC shooters. * GTA4 on console features auto-targetting. * GTA4 on PC uses the mouse and you can get 100% headshots with ease. * Halo on the console uses the joysticks very well and gives fine-grained control in a way that becomes an extension of the player. * Halo on PC? Haven't tried it but likely works quite well, the style of Halo should lend itself to a mouse. So there are different methods and some cross-over better then others. I'm just really starting to think if we're going to have bottom-feeding sub-capsuleer mindless plebs then they may as well be kids playing on consoles. Makes it good for role-play and immersion when the pleps are considered just that in RL as well as game. I think it will be like this: Defensive space forces have to matter. Waiting on the xbox while being transported would not be popular no matter how good the shipboard casino. I think we will have to transport and install some sort of device on the planet which will open the ability for dusters to teleport in. I think this process will have to require enough time and effort that it won't be super easy to slip in and open an invasion before the defenders can do something about it. Mere conjecture at this point of course.
Dalwin	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:36:00 - [177] Originally by: Tek'a Rain Originally by: vixxen Miner They aren't THE deciding factor, they are A deciding factor. I can see alleged outside forces to team up with certain alliances/corportations, as an actual division of such entities. Yep sounds about right. /emote calls wambulance. Originally by: [url="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056" http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1153056[/url]] K: Now we need to ask further. YOu said that Events within DUST 514 will influence the Eve universe and the other way. How synced are the two worlds in detail? CCP: Very synced, honestly. A fight on a planet taking part within DUST will have immidiate impact on the stratetic control a single Eve Player or group of players will have over this planet. And it is very simple to keep these things synced. It might have a large impact, but it is not much data that we have to transfer. oh, yes.. lots of other deciding factors. wait, no. Outside of throwing isk at them, this takes important gameplay elements out of Our hands, us, the players. You think throwing isk at them is the only influence you could have? Sounds like giving up without firing a shot at the mere rumor that an enemy exists out there somewhere. The one clip released so far makes it pretty clear that the space and ground combat systems will influence each other. It is not merely the ground determining the fate of sovereignties. Without details, one must speculate as to the form of space combat incfluencing ground combat, but there are only a few options really. 1.) troop transport. I think you can right this off as being conducive an an unreasonably boring console game, but there is an analog to troop transport that would still fit the same strategic role without the tedium. Why not make ships transport and install a device that enables the ability of invaders to teleport in? Make the process time consuming enough that defensive space forces have a realistic chance to react and prevent the invasion altogether. Doesn't this actually sound like fun? Space battles with more at stake than the mere destruction of the other sides ships. 2.) Ground support. I would not be surprised of some sort of orbital bombardment is present. That again is a way for EvE players to have a significant impact on the fate of the planet instead of just hiring more mercs. 3.) logistics. Troops should require supplies and should have some sort of penalty if not being supplied. This should be easier for the system defender, hopefully. 4.) Anything the offensive fleet has to accomplish to pull off a successful invasion is something the defending fleet can interfere with. Instead of condemning something that we know next to nothing about, how about keeping an open mind and looking at how this might add some very fun elements for the EvE players. Then of course, there is the aspect of profitability. The better CCP does, the longer this game sticks around and the more effort that can be dumped into enhancing it.
CommanderData211	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:37:00 - [178] I think the most probable solution to the waiting around thing that most people seem concerned with (because lets face it, if they are not having fun, we lose people to fight for our sovereignty) is having some sort of installation to allow the troops to warp in. Meanwhile we feed them with supplies and such. I am all for this idea actually, but as I have stated in the past, I believe it is folley to connect it to something as important as sovereignty. The issue of console exclusivity does not put nearly as bad a taste in my mouth as that does. With this being said I think we need to ask our CSM representatives to get more answers for us and quick. I am very concerned with the removal (albeit a potentially small portion) of direct influence over sovereignty, and I would like to know just what EVE pilot's roles are going to be in the process. I think that this linking of worlds to be a great piece of the puzzle in relation to the sovereignty problem, but I think now that we have digested the initial news, we need to know what the exact role of the EVE player is going to be.
Simeon Whiteheaven	Posted - 2009.08.23 10:36:00 - [179] Supported, I think that CCP should make DUST version also for PC.
Zametsu Lein	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:00:00 - [180] /Signed

JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:06:00 - [181] Actually it should be EVE included. They can charge me more for that if they want it.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2009.08.23 12:46:00 - [182] this is a HUGE mistake i believe, but without knowing wtf is going on and how this will effect US the current population of the eve universe it's hard to comment. i'm at a loss for words at this point, i'm very dissapointed with this move, not forgetting how WE the players who make eve what it is, have yet to have this explained to us in detail, so far all we know is it that DUST will effect how things are in eveonline, and that it will not be available on PC stupid stupid move ccp. supported !
SelfEnemy United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:03:00 - [183] i wanna play dust in PC and remove bf / bf 2142 from my PC.. :(
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:29:00 - [184] This thread could use more tears... oh wait...
The Cuckoo	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:37:00 - [185] I'd love to know what's going on in the heads of CCP bosses right now. WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ALIENATING YOUR OWN PLAYER BASE???? We pay millions a year to play this game, and now you want to put in some exclusive stuff that only console players. This is a really really **** way to treat your loyal customers.
Saralle Zhukov Win Tech In 2 Deep	Posted - 2009.08.24 02:22:00 - [186] Well, CCP has a really weird idea here. I think our sandbox just got destroyed. I wonder how Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, Against All Authorities, Razor, Morsus Mihi, Wildly Inappropriate etc etc, will react to losing their sov to a bunch of 12-14 year old finger twitchers. IF you own a supercap it just pretty much became worthless, and I'm not sure caps are worth that much now either. All that being said, I spoke with several first person shooter fans who really really want this on the PC. They do not like playing consoles. So my two cents is you ought not exclude FPS PC players from your market share CCP. ----------------------------------- Kill them all God will know his own.
Durrr Crushed Ambitions Soldiers of Solitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 02:43:00 - [187] I like the idea. I think it will expand the playerbase of "greater eve" to include FPS gamers. But, I'm sorry, consoles were not meant for FPS games. I would love to ad dust514 to my daily regiment but you really must consider expanding it to include PCs. At the same time, you have to be careful not to throw eve out of balance, and to watch for hacking which is RAMPANT in the FPS world. Summary: 1: I like the idea. 2: Make it for PC too, not only consoles. 3: Careful how you unbalance eve, you don't want dread pilots angry at you. 4: Hacking is rampant in FPS, this is your biggest problem in a perpetual world.
Maxsim Goratiev Imperial Tau Syndicate Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.08.24 07:35:00 - [188] I don't own a console. I am not willing to buy one. If dust comes out for pc, i would try it, and if i like it, i would buy it. If it comes out for console, I will not be able to play it, hence, i am not buying it. Maybe it is simpler to make games for consoles or whatever but buy doing so, you exclude alot of potential cutomers. Fix Destroyers
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.24 07:52:00 - [189] Originally by: Durrr ...consoles were not meant for FPS games. How nice of you to offer your OPINION on things. The number of people who play FPS on consoles eclipses those who play on the computer. It is the way of things.
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.08.24 11:53:00 - [190] Guys, this is a sales figures thingy. Don't exaggerate on this. It's still a long time till dust hits reality and several decisions can be made until then. Until now we know close to NOTHING about this game and the implications on eve and sovereignty.

ForeverMine	Posted - 2009.08.24 12:37:00 - [191] To be honest i get bored of reading every ones post as they all say the pretty much the same thing so I haven't read everything. My post will also no doubt be lost amongst the many that will surpass it however: I agree that DUST should hit PC markets aswell as console markets but we have to remember than when halo went to XBOX exclusivity with Halo2 millions of people switches to console FPS and when the PC version of Halo 2 emerged a few years later almost no one played it. My main problem is that DUST isn't Halo its more Battlefield (who's console platform of the game plummeted in players due to its inherent nature of it being larger and more involved game than jumping into a smaller map and shooting people until some one gets the most frags. like Halo and COD) However the reasons for CCP going into consoles with this type of FPS MMO is understandable and some what courageous, whether this works out for them will only be truly known upon the games release. All i know is that i personally will be buying the game as my interest in the EVE Space Race is some what dwindling and only as long as DUST doesn't require an extra subscription ontop of the already expensive XBOX Live Subscription. Of course once the next Xbox(1080 ) is released Dust will be sent to the place all my Original Xbox games ended up, the Dusty Loft(Attic). This will no doubt be around the time a PC version is released, which would make sense for a Development Company. After all of that i would still prefer a PC version but will still buy the console version providing it is popular with the on-line console community probably a month after its release.
CareTTa Bregan Dearthe	Posted - 2009.08.24 14:38:00 - [192] Edited by: CareTTa on 24/08/2009 14:39:00 /Signed / uh forgot to check
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:53:00 - [193] Alienating your base is never a good thing, just ask SOE.
velocity7	Posted - 2009.08.25 05:16:00 - [194] /signed
Tamahra Danke fuer den Fisch	Posted - 2009.08.25 08:45:00 - [195] Edited by: Tamahra on 25/08/2009 08:45:31 i support this thread. Since the ps3 and xbox360 can be mounted with a mouse and keyboard, at least thats what i think to know, i cant see no reason why they wouldnt release it for the PC¦s as well. Dust514
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.08.26 18:40:00 - [196] Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Guys, this is a sales figures thingy. Don't exaggerate on this. It's still a long time till dust hits reality and several decisions can be made until then. Until now we know close to NOTHING about this game and the implications on eve and sovereignty. Doesn't hurt to let CCP know how it's ~~cash-cow~~ player base feels about how things currently stand though. ...
Anerheon	Posted - 2009.08.29 16:30:00 - [197] Just make it for PC aswell problem solved.
Capitan Kidd	Posted - 2009.08.30 20:06:00 - [198] Edited by: Capitan Kidd on 30/08/2009 20:10:06 /signed In my opinion PC is better for FPS, but that's my opinion. One thing that is fact, is that console gamers are fickle. If Dust catches on with that demographic. Its only a matter of time before the new "Hot" game comes out, and dust is forgotten. Once the console fad wears off, then what are the paying EVE subscribers left with?
AstroPhobic Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.08.30 20:27:00 - [199]
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.30 22:11:00 - [200] Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.

Ulstan	Posted - 2009.08.31 21:32:00 - [201] I want to play FPS games on my PC, not on my consoles.
RansomList	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:08:00 - [202] CCP are making us pay for an expansion under the guise of a new game.
Black Seraph THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:23:00 - [203] Completely supported. I've also added a thread in the OOPE forum discussing bringing this information to CCP at PAX. FPS for console is just a shame. http://www.geocities.com/microdave0/blackwhite.gif Limits for signatures are 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes. Please fix your signature. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Comodore John Gallente QunSegh Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:10:00 - [204] not supported imo it was given console exclusivity because if it was available for the pc,itd become a must have for every alliance interested in 0.0. by making it soley for the console, ccp is making a way for events happening in eve to be out of reach physically of those who dont own a console.
Tyler Lowe DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2009.09.01 06:04:00 - [205]
Lag Generator GoonFleet	Posted - 2009.09.01 11:01:00 - [206] Edited by: Lag Generator on 01/09/2009 11:01:25 I don't even own a console (yet), and hate console FPSes, but I'm not supporting this. The motivation and impact of cheating is higher because of its EVE ties. Once it's on PC, the game WILL be hacked to bits, and because of the game's realtime nature it cannot be hack-proofed by doing everything important server-side as in Eve.
Niskin Minmatar Conflagration.	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:08:00 - [207] You gotta love the entitlement in this thread, people talking about being offended by the decision or feeling like CCP gave them the short end of some kind of stick. Grow up you damned babies! This game isn't for you, it's for the existing target audience which would be console FPS gamers. There have been plenty of reasons listed why this makes more sense on a console from the point of view of preventing hacks and keeping the playing field even. If you choose to ignore these arguments that's your own problem, these points are well proven in the history of FPS's. It's one thing to say "please release this on the pc" and quite another to say that CCP is stupid or has offended you for not doing so. CCP knows what they are doing and this decision makes sense from the angles they are looking at it from. ------------- I am the n00b that time forgot.
Nachshon Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.09.09 22:35:00 - [208] I seem to be in the minority on this: I think that DUST 514 is a brilliant idea. I don't think that sovereignty will be solely in the hands of a bunch of 12-year-old mouth-breathers. The winners will be those alliances that work closely with skilled groups of DUST 514 players. They will have an impact, but they can't do it without us. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Oneiros IV Stella Polaris.	Posted - 2009.09.10 01:10:00 - [209] Edited by: Oneiros IV on 10/09/2009 01:17:59
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.10 01:30:00 - [210] Supporting for PC version of Dust

Helle Acoma	Posted - 2009.09.10 04:48:00 - [211] Edited by: Helle Acoma on 10/09/2009 04:47:58 Many Many console shooters are good PC shooters. Bioshock is a fantastic example of this, but when it comes to competitive shooters, which I assume Dust will be, the PC still rules the roost. Honestly the console exclusive of this game of the basis that you cant make it good for both platforms is ridiculous; its all tied up in money. END OF.
Solo Player	Posted - 2009.09.14 21:36:00 - [212] Consoles are pretty toys. But internets spaceships are serious business. BTW, Bioshock was an impressive interactive piece of concept art with a fairly nice plotline. However, it sucked as a FPS. It also sucked as a series of interesting choices. Dumbing down always has its downsides.
Nidhiesk	Posted - 2009.09.15 16:49:00 - [213] Theres a FPS game out there that plays on PC and PS3 while your online and both plays superbly. Well its on 2 different systems and it works great from what I hear. maybe for you fps freaks you know what game this is but anyway, CCP should be able to do this. Sure it would take lots of work cause both codes as to be compatible on both systems but its possible. I support pc as well as other too. Imagine, your friend as a ps3 or xbox and he plays DUST. And you play Dust as well on your pc and you both play together...thats pretty sweet to me
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.17 03:07:00 - [214] There's so many things fundamentally wrong with the idea, and frankly, it's just another thing after the 'Ambulation' nonsense for years that makes me question if the management knows what they're doing.
Deganos	Posted - 2009.09.17 16:00:00 - [215] I find it quite strange that 'CCP' doesn't realise the potential for this mmo if it would be released on 'pc'. There are quite alot of PC gamers who have been waiting for a revolutionary MMOFPS since 'Planetside'. The game being released on consoles only is in my eyes nothing else but a backstab, but you knew this already before announcing... Atleast create something entirely seperate from eve if you want to try out the console market, and don't backstab your fans like this.
Neamus	Posted - 2009.09.17 19:42:00 - [216] /Signed Please bring Dust to the PC
C4rnag3 nemo nobis impune lacessit	Posted - 2009.09.17 20:01:00 - [217] FPS exclusive for consoles. oh my god. the world has changed....
Deldrac Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.17 21:13:00 - [218] Quote: "K: What we have been asked by our readers is: why only make the game available for console and not for PC? CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter." This is an oxymoron. A shooter can be 'good' or it can be 'console'. It is logically impossible for it to be both. Supported.
Xunantunich	Posted - 2009.09.18 07:41:00 - [219] Edited by: Xunantunich on 18/09/2009 07:43:41 my xbox 360 is dusty....
Dierdra Vaal	Posted - 2009.09.19 14:48:00 - [220] Hopefully CCP will tell us a bit more about Dust at Fanfest. I too love PC based shooters (and dont own a console), and since Dust is being developed with the Unreal Engine, a pc version shouldnt be technically difficult. Unfortunately I fear this topic falls outside the scope of the CSM, since it is more about the business side of CCP rather than the game and technically isnt even about Eve, but about a different game alltogether. Director of Education :: EVE University Chairman of the CSM

Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.09.20 01:12:00 - [221] Not signed. Mostly because, as was mentioned before, there's too much of a disparity between console gaming and computer gaming that would give computer gamers the upper hand vs all but very dedicated console gamers. Look at games like Halo 3: immensely popular despite being console-only. I think CCP knows what they're doing with this one.
ERJ145	Posted - 2009.09.23 02:37:00 - [222] I dont own a xbox or PS3 and I will buy one for dust. But I feel like a ****** playing a FPS on a console. Get it on the PC!
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.09.23 06:07:00 - [223] Originally by: ERJ145 I dont own a xbox or PS3 and I will buy one for dust. But I feel like a ****** playing a FPS on a console. Get it on the PC! Don't buy a console just for this man, that's setting yourself up for obvious disappointment. If you want a "media center" then get an OLD hacked xbox... Opensource XBMC is much better then the xBox360 software. Buying the latest console for a game that looks to just be a mod and won't have any real connection to Eve for 2-3 years is kinda silly.
Stumpet Rakingclaw Stellar Research Incorporated Emergence.	Posted - 2009.09.23 15:17:00 - [224] I own a PS3 but I don't like FPS on consoles, would play DUST if it was on PC. ___________________________ "Who is Daniel Essig?"
Parlora	Posted - 2009.10.14 01:30:00 - [225] What a rediculous idea. However as is the norm with games, console releases come first to create a cash flow and then PC release afterwards. To all those who mentioned the macro thing with farming accounts or whatever using multiple clients. 3 words - Power of 2. They ENCOURAGE multiple accounts. But either way I think it will end up on PC maybe a year or so after the console release. I really hate this whole console take-over-the-world thing though because I've invested a hell of a lot of money into a computer which apparently means nothing if there's no games coming out on it. And not a snowballs chance in hell am I getting a PS3 or Xbox for any ONE game. But for the record opening to the massive console market is a good business move, but they wont risk screwing the thousands of PC users that pay them. So patience.
Randomness888	Posted - 2009.10.14 02:10:00 - [226] CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter." Translation: "Making a shooter compatible with more than one system is too much hard work" I support this topic, not just as a PC gamer or a Console gamer, but as someone who sincerely believes this will be a massive failure if it's not released on PC. Distribute it via steam or something, it's worth the hard work CCP.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.14 06:48:00 - [227] This thread still drawing epic emo tears?
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.10.14 09:54:00 - [228] I agree, i don't own a console, and i don't want to buy one, but i'd love to play dust. I like to play FPS on PC, not console.
Aluthin Squires of the Roundtable KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.14 13:12:00 - [229] I mainly play pc games and only own an old xbox so wouldn't have access to dust 514... so i agree make it available for pc users too... as it looks great and i prefer a mouse too a gamepad any day playing a fps. Aluthin
Co'chese Hedion University	Posted - 2009.10.14 15:15:00 - [230] I think everyone who supports this is missing the point. CCP is making Dust a console only game to bring in more casual gamers. EVE already caters to the hardcore gamers out there. Dust will bridge the gap between the hardcore and the more casual gamer. I have introduced some of my XBOX friends to EVE and they played for a month and quit. The same guys will play COD4, Halo, Red Faction, COD: WAW non-stop for weeks. They enjoy the ability to jump into a game play get some action and quit. They didn't enjoy jumping on a vent with some serious business alliance members. There are plenty of shooters available out there on the PC. Let the console gamers have this one. I for one enjoy console FPS over PC FPS any day.

codfish88	Posted - 2009.10.16 21:22:00 - [231] I totally support your idea for Dust to come out for PC. i never like console fps games (maybe im just used to a keyboard and mouse), and i really do believe that dust and eve would work better together if they were both on the same "console" so to speak.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:27:00 - [232] DUST 514 will never come to PC. Get that thru your stupid thick skulls people. PC FPS and Console FPS are two different crowds and CCP said one million ****ing times that they wanted to make a console FPS. So stop the tears and accept it. Either buy a console or STFU already! This thread is really starting to get pretty pathetic. Let it go people... let it go...
Assassin126	Posted - 2009.10.18 16:32:00 - [233] not sure if a keyboard and mouse is better, but i deffinately prefer it
Thingymawotzit Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.10.19 00:40:00 - [234] yep i was so looking forward to this until i saw the console only thing.
ASR Briggs	Posted - 2009.10.19 03:29:00 - [235] PC please
xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:04:00 - [236] The more I read about it, the more I am realizing that this is a business decision. CCP already has a game that is doing pretty well on PC -- EVE. Now they want a game that will do well on Console, and thus double (or triple) their revenue -- DUST. They won't make DUST PC because everyone knows that a PC gamer would A R* any console gamer because a mouse/keyboard allows much better control. They also insist on DUST being a linked universe. So, DUST will be Console only. I F**** hate consoles, but I might get a PS3 so I can watch BLURAY and play DUST. After all, its one of the best bluray players out there. TL;DR -- F* you CCP, you greedy bastards. I will still buy your products. Lead me.
Batolemaeus Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:23:00 - [237] Edited by: Batolemaeus on 19/10/2009 20:26:45 Being locked out of what could very well be an extremely great game on Pc sucks. We've seen the success of Bf1942, Bf2 and it's numerous clones, so the demand for action oriented games with a good rts part mixed with cooperative first person shoot-them-in-the-face is there. So, yeah..i'd like to play a game like that again..
Snicke	Posted - 2009.10.20 11:38:00 - [238] /signed Want Dust to PC! NOW! Where there is pleasure, there is always some pain. -Snicke-
Odetta Harpy	Posted - 2009.10.20 16:56:00 - [239] PC WTF
Irn Bruce	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:25:00 - [240] I agree. Not because I'm particularly looking forward to DUST, but because I think it will fail as a console exclusive and because of how it will tie in on Eve, its failure will have a negative impact on all of us. Lets face it, the console market is saturated with FPS titles, and DUST won't offer anything different from more established titles to anyone other than Eve gamers. Console games are expensive, usually almost twice the price you can get the same title on PC for. That means console gamers are not going to buy 2 FPS games when they both seemingly offer the same thing. Is DUST really going to overhaul Halo for the mainstream Xbox market? Because if it's not better than Halo, no one will play it. Since it will tie in closely with Eve, a lack of players for DUST will mean one of two things. Either the entire mechanic will fail, which would be disatrous for Eve, or, more likely, some large alliance (we all know the most likely candidate) will realise there is a small player base and order all their members to play DUST, and they'll exploit the low player base in DUST to gain a huge advantage in Eve. You could argue that that's the way it's intended to be, but it seems a little unfair that somethign that is not available to all players can have such an impact. If DUST was on PC, and ran on an engine that was useable by the majority of Eve players (the source engine still looks good, and is very scaleable), and was available at a reasonable price point, I reckon most Eve players would buy it. It still needs to be a good game in order to get people playing, which as I said is vital to the game's success and also to the success of the new mechanics in Eve. Perhaps CCP are just planning to release it as a console exclusive initially, then a few months down the line if player numbers aren't what they need to be, they can port it to PC and release it free to all Eve subscribers. A man can dream, can't he?

WheatGrass Silent but Friendly	Posted - 2009.10.21 01:19:00 - [241] I have friends who like FPSs who have played Eve but didn't care for it. These people are hard core PC gamers who have NO interest in consoles. I'd sure like to play Eve and support their Dust activities. Give the consolers WiiMine and give Dust to the computer people. I wonder how much CCP is at the mercy of the shareholders in making such decisions. Perhaps shareholders are destroying Eve, Dust, and CCP. Perhaps Helmar has lost control of CCP to them. (He did seem choked up about something at Fanfest '09.)
Treeati Harnsore	Posted - 2009.10.27 16:48:00 - [242] I would like to lend my support to this proposal.
TimGascoigne Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.10.27 18:06:00 - [243] There are many PC players who do not play eve but I am confident will play DUST 514.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:44:00 - [244] I like the idea of DUST 514, but I'll never play it in its current form, which is sad because I'm an FPS player at heart. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Lothario Pendragon	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:32:00 - [245] I'm gonna go with not enough info on the DUST to EVE mechanic to really discuss this properly. We dont have any real information on how the actions of the console Merc Corps will affect the Universe in Eve, CCP hasnt announced it yet, probably because they havent finished it yet. I think there was a link to be created at launch which could be built upon over time to really bring the two games together. Not supported for lack of information on game mechanics only.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.10.30 07:35:00 - [246] Originally by: Lothario Pendragon I'm gonna go with not enough info on the DUST to EVE mechanic to really discuss this properly. We dont have any real information on how the actions of the console Merc Corps will affect the Universe in Eve, CCP hasnt announced it yet, probably because they havent finished it yet. I think there was a link to be created at launch which could be built upon over time to really bring the two games together. Not supported for lack of information on game mechanics only. I think the thread is about DUST being a console only game, not its interaction with EvE. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.30 08:34:00 - [247] The tears never stop in this thread. Console FPS > PC FPS any day of the week and you know it. But please, don't stop the emo tears... keep them coming, "But mommy... I want it on PC now...!!!!!!"
WheatGrass Gallente Silent but Friendly	Posted - 2009.10.30 13:51:00 - [248] Originally by: Marlona Sky The tears never stop in this thread. Console FPS > PC FPS any day of the week and you know it. But please, don't stop the emo tears... keep them coming, "But mommy... I want it on PC now...!!!!!!"
FU22 Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.30 14:17:00 - [249] Haven't read the rest of the thread but supported. Won't be buying dust if it isn't on PC.
Grojar Flesp Gallente SQS Group	Posted - 2009.10.30 17:20:00 - [250] agreed ------------------------- This is so much fun to watch, it's like a kick in the crotch I can't watch this -------------------------

IIIAsharakIII Solstice Systems Development Concourse Distant Drums	Posted - 2009.10.30 20:16:00 - [251] I'm going to hazard a guess and say that their reason for keeping it "strictly console" might have more to do with certain contracts which have been signed. For instance, if CCP has received any kind of pre-funding for this game development, then they are most likely required to keep the official statement as "console only". However, I doubt this will be the case forever. My best guess is that Dust514 will become available for the PC maybe 6 months after console release, giving the game enough time to travel around the world in xbox or ps3 form before its developed in a PC version. After all, you can play Halo 1 through 3 on the PC, which was something I thought I'd never see happen, given that Halo carried the XBOX through their dumptruck of suck since 2001.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.31 06:39:00 - [252] Originally by: WheatGrass lots of tears Never once did I attempt to compare hardware of a PC vs. a console. You are missing the entire reason behind why DUST will be on console only. Maybe you should re-watch (if you watched at all) any of the videos regarding this game and why CCP said it will be on console instead of PC. Also, are you a share holder? Stay in school? You should actually go to school. There are lots of things that you would benefit from like reading and comprehension. Oh, and on your level you would get to play with building blocks and stuff. Also, you might get to make friends. Don't be scared, once you make your first friend you will learn that having friends is awesome, and you will try to make more.
WheatGrass Gallente Silent but Friendly	Posted - 2009.10.31 13:49:00 - [253] You win. Perhaps I will check my spam for some growth enhancers.
Kain Lemaire	Posted - 2009.10.31 14:09:00 - [254] /agreed
Gotrek65 Caldari Shadows.	Posted - 2009.10.31 15:33:00 - [255] I do not support this issue. There are games that have failed due to combining PC and consoles togethor. For example Shadowrun was a great game but the PC users usually dominated the xbox 360 users. little background: I own both a xbox 360, PS3, PC and Laptop(for eve). I enjoy a vast many games on my consoles from rock band to halo. I know from experience that combining PC and consoles against each other in a battle is a bad idea. Separating them might also be a bad idea. To be honest I already plan on buying a copy of Dust 514 for my console.
Marxam	Posted - 2009.11.05 08:57:00 - [256] Edited by: Marxam on 05/11/2009 09:06:26 As stated before CCP is looking to tap into the console market to gain more money. There is a lot of ppl that use console for a gaming platform, more than pc and CCP would be making way more revenue than they would if this title was a computer exclusive. LOL to all of you who think mouse and keyboard dominates a controller of the Xbox 360, you obviously haven't faced a good console player or have tried playing console and just cant get the hang of the controller. Having PS3 and Xbox 360 compatibility is alrdy a lot of work since they have to make two different games for each platform and then they have to develop their communication idea so it works for pc ps3 and xbox 360 which is also gunna take some work. Pc hackers would have a grand time putting bots up or hacking the game and that would not be cool. Pc just has too much code and room for programs and stuff, and if they made a pc dust, they'd have to make a MAC and linux version............ now im thinkin that would just be way too much work. to all u pc players that are winning about this i say hahahahahahahah ill be playin dust and you wont be unless you get a console so get out there kitties and get urself a xbox 360 (lol i dont like ps3) and quit supporting this cause ccp aint gunna make it pc, mac and linux lol, too late for that ****, just be happy playing eve and sit at ur desk chair bed etc. and be happy they aint gunna f up everything in eve with this game
Midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:28:00 - [257] this -----------------------------------------------
Marxam	Posted - 2009.11.07 07:59:00 - [258] lol, all the support in the world will not help you now! muhahahahahah
EmoKidWithKantana Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.08 16:48:00 - [259] Hi, supporting thing
H2iQ2	Posted - 2009.12.23 21:57:00 - [260] /Signed PLEAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE DUST 514 for PC. EVE Online Forever

ClaudeS	Posted - 2009.12.23 22:05:00 - [261] /Signed DUST 514 for PC. FSP with a console is a no no for me. I bought a new PC and register to 3 different accounts on EVE online in the mean time that Dust 514 was released. If Dust is not available for PC, I will close all my accounts and play something else because CCP is not listening to their customers.
DeltaXi	Posted - 2009.12.23 22:11:00 - [262] /Signed I'm a big fan of Unreal Tournament. I heard that Dust514 for PC will use the Unreal Engin to run it. I'm not interested in a console at all. FPS is for PC with a mouse and multiple keyboard functions and shortcuts. CCP Listen to your fans and customers
Faraelle Brightman Moira.	Posted - 2009.12.24 01:17:00 - [263] Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 24/12/2009 01:17:34 Fanfest dev panel made it pretty clear that at least initially, Dust will be a console exclusive. +1 anyway, in the long term "I'd like to play it on the PC and don't have a console" sense. --- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies." Vote Up for FW: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1237480
Bel'shamharoth	Posted - 2009.12.24 02:08:00 - [264] /signed There's not a chance in hell that I'll buy a console to play Dust, but I'll buy it in a heartbeat if you release it for the PC. Brownie-points for a Mac port. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not a fig plucker or a fig plucker's son, but I'll pluck figs till the fig plucking's done.
Aloriana Jacques Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2009.12.24 03:10:00 - [265] Edited by: Aloriana Jacques on 24/12/2009 03:10:58 I'd like DUST on the pc as well. Simply because I use the computer more than the xbox and play much more comfortably on the pc. It's not a matter of which is "better", but a matter of preference and comfort. Also, I think it would be a good choice. Especially since you could then offer deals and combos with DUST & EVE to try to bring one customer point into the other. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Azran Zala	Posted - 2009.12.24 11:05:00 - [266] "Meh"... I wouldnt want to have to spend money on a console just so I can play dust, though I wouldnt mind trying it. That being said, I'd still be happy and settle for if at all possible: "You Citidel Cruise missle lightly hits Gallente Prime Capital (CITY) killing 13,412,092 People"
ZiggyXX Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.24 17:02:00 - [267] PC version of Dust = hackers & cheaters. This is the main reason why I support a "console only" Dust514. I wouldn't waist my time or money on another PC FPS period!
Roland Thorne Dark Sun Collective Blade.	Posted - 2009.12.25 21:31:00 - [268] Edited by: Roland Thorne on 25/12/2009 21:31:52 Originally by: Azran Zala "Meh"... I wouldnt want to have to spend money on a console just so I can play dust, though I wouldnt mind trying it. That being said, I'd still be happy and settle for if at all possible: "You Citidel Cruise missle lightly hits Gallente Prime Capital (CITY) killing 13,412,092 People" ^ this Remember K.I.S.S? Forget K.I.S.S. and DUST will fail. You mix PC and console players together with a company whose experience is solely with a massive mutiplayer game like eve and only trouble will result. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing millions of 13 year old halo minions doing the ground pounding at my alliance bidding while I look on from overhead with my KMs long ships, artillery at the ready Remember the C130 gunship part in the first COD MW? A guy can dream.... ahhhh yeeess Edit: Clarification
Elias Genvalo	Posted - 2009.12.26 04:31:00 - [269] Only reason I wish to have it on pc is because my pc hardware is far superior to either console in terms of cpu, gpu, hard drive performance and memory.
space dementia	Posted - 2009.12.31 05:25:00 - [270] Edited by: space dementia on 31/12/2009 05:27:45 I had an amazing idea on this subject tonight and i apologize for not reading everything before posting this so if its already been mentioned "my bad" but here goes bit deeper than just the pc version problem since the debate has widened as far as i have been reading on the interwebs In my opinion ccp were dipping their toes in the water with an out of pod experience when they came up with incarna, it seems to me that the idea has swept them away to create something more bold on this level without properly tweaking their first objective. in the past ccp have been meticulous in their scrutiny of every detail and aspect of the game and creating the perfect balanced environment but maybe they're trying to run before they can walk (bad pun but what the hell) but maybe we are looking at dust at the wrong angle a pc version would be expected due to the loyal followers so far but the idea that players will control a "grunt" in a corp within the alliance their eve char is in is an interesting integration, we know pc gamers are superior to console gamers so let them be our grunts. Think about it console gamers inevitably create clans or in this case a corp whats to say that your characters progression in dust wouldn't be rated on something such as a KD ratio with a ranking system possibly in the same fashion as merc corp being hired for a sov battle they say they want to integrate the battlefield pay the grunts with alliance/corp isk and they could improve their characters with better gear etc... take on the mission of the sov battles or to capture planets maybe even capuring a base station linked to a moon miner/pos orbiting in space etc as well as interstellar defenses this would bring about conflicts simultaniously taking place around the plants and moons of a system with eve players assaulting Pos's/planetary facilities from orbit and providing tactical analysis on very large battlegrounds(which will hopefully be a feature of dust one thing eve got right was the scale of the systems) whilst the dust battle also rages on down below this would bring about a much bigger feel to every system with fleets able to hide within systems rather than just camping stargates and much more intense experience for all parties these are just a few ideas sorry for the epic post. But to answer the simple question clearly, OFC dust should be on the PC....

Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:40:00 - [271] This thread still generating tears? Like it has been said many times, console only is the best way. PC = hackers But please keep the tears rolling in though, they taste the best.
Kiko Tojima	Posted - 2009.12.31 16:52:00 - [272] This is a business decision of a RL company. You may agree with it or not. IMHO it's out of scope for the CSM.
Neu Bastian Valklear Guard	Posted - 2009.12.31 21:22:00 - [273] Originally by: FU22 Won't be buying dust if it isn't on PC. fine, make it a console game, get the new market, but make a PC version too. Quote: Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
Ormathon Iceshadows	Posted - 2009.12.31 23:08:00 - [274] I love this huge drama about dust. Do you people think alot according to the diffrences in console and PC games? Hacking a PC game is easy, using programs to do everything for you is easy. Hacking a Console game, now that is hard and you cant write programs to help you. And making the game on multiplatforms will force them to make 2 diffrent servers. 1 for console, 1 for PC. As people have said, yes you can hook up a mouse and keyboard to a xbox or ps3 but the performance is not close to hooking the same equipment up to a PC. Making it console only is a excellent starting point. And people that dont want to pay monthly subscriptions for a game that has a insane learning curve dont have to worry. They can just toss in a few coins from now and then to buy new stuff to kill and blow sh*t up with. But these are just my thoughts
The Gr4veDigger Rogue Clones	Posted - 2010.01.03 21:03:00 - [275] I want to break some heads too! ============================== Ink. Marks worth with pride. Symbols of courage and determination. Earned, not given. Rise to the challenge.
Fat Rillos	Posted - 2010.01.06 02:27:00 - [276] I sold my 360 to buy parts for my PC. Was an avid console gamer. But alas FPS SUCK on console.(how many good fps are on consoles?) Didn't the fps start on PC? Will it not be harder to develop an expanding role playing game on a limited console machine? When do they run out of resources and have to wait for the next gen console to come out? 360 is nearing the end of its life as is. Too many bad console ports have come direct to PC as of late. and now they are losing dedicated server support as well.(modern warfare 2) Where you were able to have massive servers with 40 to 60 people shooting it out, the console has dumbed down our gaming experience to a dismal 4v4 because of matchmaking and hosting on less than able console machines. Will this be true for Dust as well? Hate to say it but the underwhelming console is officially strangling the PC to death. The console gaming pie is too big for ccp to not get into the action.(it's OK we all like money) But it's sad to see them slap the people who put them in this position in the first place.
Rakivic Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2010.01.06 09:43:00 - [277] Edited by: Rakivic on 06/01/2010 09:47:08 Edited by: Rakivic on 06/01/2010 09:45:31 I agree console exclusivity for DUST makes no scene. It can be on console but it also need's to be on PC. Specially when it is going to be tied directly into Eve sov mechanics. I think it will just screw up the entire game (Eve), more specifically for the smaller alliance where not many people have consoles. The way I see things it will just tighten the mega alliance's grip on 0.0 space. Which defeats the purpose of dominion as it was designed to make 0.0 more assessable. You are not allowed to discuss forum moderation in signature. Applebabe
Ogogov	Posted - 2010.01.06 14:49:00 - [278] I'd love to see a PC port eventually, but I understand how limiting developing for consoles is (just look at Mass Effect...) I'd like CCP to consider creating a PC client, perhaps some time after the initial release. Steal some of those TF2 players ;)
The Sleeper1A	Posted - 2010.01.09 20:01:00 - [279] The concept of Dust is a good one. I think it will have a lot of playability. CCP is making a critical blunder with consoles only. Right off the bat there is 300,000+ people that have shown they like this IP by paying money to entertain themselves with it. Dust will not only provide those with Sov a facet of game play but it will provide everyone and anyone that has any desire to strike back at people that have sov or anyone that wants to try something a little different. Dust is a slap in the face or to use a FPS term, Dust is CCP hf "tea bagging" there loyal customers. So you say CCP hf is doing it for finical concerns my response is that those finical concerns are being financed by MY money. If they wanted a new revenue stream thatÆs fine but connecting it to the product that I am PAYING for makes it a chief concern for me. It does not matter if has a minor or major effect on Eve the fact that that I have been excluded makes me want to stop my revenue stream on my 3 accounts till if and when they change their mind.
Uronksur Suth	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:12:00 - [280] Originally by: Marlona Sky This thread still generating tears? Like it has been said many times, console only is the best way. PC = hackers But please keep the tears rolling in though, they taste the best. ^^This

Binanty	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:23:00 - [281]
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.01.10 02:13:00 - [282] 1 its easier to make games for 2 they want diffrent players 3 pc players suck at fps's when they can point and click so lulz 4 eve players DO NOT need console players to do anything, it just makes things easier. its like learning skills, dont need them but makes things faster. 5. you cant hav consoles mixed to PC in the same game, PC players only have to point and click. 6 quit whining its not out yet.
Lord Arshavir Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.10 13:51:00 - [283] Not supported. Personally, I love playing FPS with the classic keyboard + mouse combo, I find console controllers tolerable, but sluggish. However. I would rather play a multiplayer FPS on a console these days, for the same reason I stick to single player in PC RTS games, and mainly play MMO games; cheaters. Cheating is certainly possible on consoles, but it's FAR more difficult, and if Im going to enter into a contest of skill, the playing field better be bloody well even. I can play four or five awesome rounds in a row on PC, and then one turd logs into the server and ruins everyone's evening with a wallhack, an aimbot or some other form of asshattery. I'd rather deal with a slightly sluggish controller. As a final note, cost isnt an issue these days for consoles; you can buy a secondhand 360 premium for 100 quid, and xbox live is dirt cheap if you buy a 12 month sub. The new models of both the 360 and PS3 are actually pretty reliable, so if you do your research and buy the latest versions they'll last a good few years. HTFU and buy a secondhand 360. _____________________________________________ Of Riches and Slaves - Adventures of an Amarrian Noble
fire elf Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.01.10 19:44:00 - [284] /signed
Andreus LeHane Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.01.10 22:05:00 - [285] Supporting this. -----
Garci4	Posted - 2010.01.11 15:30:00 - [286] Dust 514 for pc please!!! :_
Dek Kato Amarr Hedion University Alumni Corporation Raikiri Assasins	Posted - 2010.01.13 19:26:00 - [287] The reason for not allowing a PC version is simple; no cannabalization of their market share. MMO players are relatively stable in numbers. Ask most people, they at some point or another have played an MMO. True "new" players are rare. Therefor, to get players, you are required to get them from somewhere else (READ: another game). By releasing DUST on the PC, CCP would be forfeiting some amount of EVE membership to those who are more interested in an FPS style game. By only putting it on a different platform (consoles), they minimalize their risk of that. Hence, overall it is more profitable to CCP to seperate the markets for DUST and EVE, and more profit means more developement and better games. Or at least more eye candy. Therefor I do not support this.
The Sleeper1A	Posted - 2010.01.13 21:45:00 - [288] Thats very true Dek Kato but the other side of the coin is that EVE has created a loyal fan base before the game is relesed so it would be purchsed by a large number of people that can not get it on console. By and large if your reading this you have made a choice of PC over console. CCP has made a choice of securing there new income stream over serviceing there customers. If they decide they dont want take my money for EVE and Dust then my money will do the talking as it walks over and gets Mass effect 2 or some other game.
Ben Fenix Caldari Caldari Empire Luminance Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.14 06:46:00 - [289] CCP decided to make DUST 514 for consoles. Stop whining and start dealing with it. Please CCP, close this thread! It's getting us nowhere. -end of message- __________________________________ Space is massive. Humanity is not.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.14 13:28:00 - [290] Originally by: Rakivic Edited by: Rakivic on 06/01/2010 09:47:08 Edited by: Rakivic on 06/01/2010 09:45:31 I agree console exclusivity for DUST makes no scene. It can be on console but it also need's to be on PC. Specially when it is going to be tied directly into Eve sov mechanics. I think it will just screw up the entire game (Eve), more specifically for the smaller alliance where not many people have consoles. The way I see things it will just tighten the mega alliance's grip on 0.0 space. Which defeats the purpose of dominion as it was designed to make 0.0 more assessable. Hellooooo dust merc clans! Seriously, the amount of butt-hurt in this thread is just sickening WAH WAH CCP MADE A GAME SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO DONT PLAY EVE BUT ITS NOT PERFECT FOR PEOPLE WHO DO PLAY EVE AND I LOVE PLAYING EVE SO VERY VERY MUCH THAT I WILL QUIT PLAYING EVE BECAUSE I CAN'T PLAY ANOTHER GAME EVERYTHING CCP DO SHOULD BE FOR ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.01.14 15:23:00 - [291] The OP pointed out CoD4. I'd like to point out the fact there is no online FPS that does not or has not had some form of aiming assist hacks or the ability to do other things that don't constitute 'normal' gameplay. If you're found using the keyboard/mouse kit for the 360, your live account gets banned. Because of this, all players are essentially left playing with the exact same controls, which levels at least one playing field; control interface. The hardware is exactly the same across the board, giving everyone exactly the same visual effects (some of which have tactical/gameplay related uses, such as flash-bangs causing a hazy view after the initial blinding effect - an effect commonly possible to disable, whether through the game's options or through modification of the game/console commands, on PC versions). Because the graphics and performance are the same for everyone, this levels another playing field; hardware. My own 360 is broken, and my PC is ancient - I cannot afford to replace either, but I for one would rather this game stay on the 360 alone, because this would give the most stable, balanced playing field for all those playing it, while on the PS3 (where it was pointed out to me mouse+keyboard is possible for some games) or on the PC, control devices, the potential for hacking/cheating and for gameplay disparity between those with high performance vs low performance machines could cause issues. I can't support the OP's suggestion. ---
Paul Mooney	Posted - 2010.01.26 19:27:00 - [292] CCP DUST 514 to PC /signed
Vilgan i'Lakin	Posted - 2010.01.27 03:47:00 - [293] All the "don't leave the PC out!" comments are pretty silly. Every shooter in existence that can be played on both PC and console keeps those 2 realms separate. Not only is it hard (impossible?) to integrate Sony PS3 with PC etc, but it'd also be unfair. FPS on PC offers superior control and response time due to the way the mouse works. This isn't anti-console bias (I now prefer to play on a console) but it simply is. Dust cannot keep them separate as there is only one Eve universe. PC based groups would have an unfair advantage over console based groups. Would it work if Eve had 100 servers ala WoW? Sure. But it isn't so it won't. I'm pretty amazed there are this many people who are posting when this is so obviously NEVER going to happen.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:34:00 - [294] Originally by: Malcanis WAH WAH CCP MADE A GAME SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO DONT PLAY EVE BUT ITS NOT PERFECT FOR PEOPLE WHO DO PLAY EVE AND I LOVE PLAYING EVE SO VERY VERY MUCH THAT I WILL QUIT PLAYING EVE BECAUSE I CAN'T PLAY ANOTHER GAME EVERYTHING CCP DO SHOULD BE FOR ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! sums up this whole thread tbh
Simon Tarem	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:09:00 - [295] Originally by: Vilgan i'Lakin All the "don't leave the PC out!" comments are pretty silly. Every shooter in existence that can be played on both PC and console keeps those 2 realms separate. Not only is it hard (impossible?) to integrate Sony PS3 with PC etc, but it'd also be unfair. FPS on PC offers superior control and response time due to the way the mouse works. This isn't anti-console bias (I now prefer to play on a console) but it simply is. Dust cannot keep them separate as there is only one Eve universe. PC based groups would have an unfair advantage over console based groups. Would it work if Eve had 100 servers ala WoW? Sure. But it isn't so it won't. I'm pretty amazed there are this many people who are posting when this is so obviously NEVER going to happen. I think they should make it PC only then.. Seeing as the community that made CCP who they are "EVE online" are in fact pc only...
Uronksur Suth	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:14:00 - [296] Originally by: Simon Tarem I think they should make it PC only then.. ahh, but then how would they tap the console gamers market? Originally by: Simon Tarem Seeing as the community that made CCP who they are "EVE online" are in fact pc only... What a fascinating and utterly baseless assumption.
Simon Tarem	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:15:00 - [297] CCP DUST 514 FOR PC /signed
NOGC BLAST	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:17:00 - [298] Edited by: NOGC BLAST on 27/01/2010 19:18:41 /Signed I'm not going to debate or rage on. I have no interest in getting in a console wars. My opinion is clear and beyond debate with me.
Simon Tarem	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:23:00 - [299] Originally by: Uronksur Suth Originally by: Simon Tarem I think they should make it PC only then.. ahh, but then how would they tap the console gamers market? Originally by: Simon Tarem Seeing as the community that made CCP who they are "EVE online" are in fact pc only... What a fascinating and utterly baseless assumption. First try googling CCP whats the first thing that comes up? Oh and did EVE not win some award recently what was that for again? ;)
Uronksur Suth	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:36:00 - [300] Originally by: Simon Tarem First try googling CCP whats the first thing that comes up? Community College of Philadelphia, then CCP games, then EVE Online. Your point? Originally by: Simon Tarem Oh and did EVE not win some award recently what was that for again? ;) It was for best community and best game of 2009. How does this support your claim that players of EVE are exclusively PC-gamers?

Simon Tarem	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:40:00 - [301] Originally by: Uronksur Suth Originally by: Simon Tarem First try googling CCP whats the first thing that comes up? Community College of Philadelphia, then CCP games, then EVE Online. Your point? Originally by: Simon Tarem Oh and did EVE not win some award recently what was that for again? ;) It was for best community and best game of 2009. How does this support your claim that players of EVE are exclusively PC-gamers? No no no I miss-worded my comment I am saying that EVE is pc only not that people who play EVE are pc only
Uronksur Suth	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:41:00 - [302] Originally by: Simon Tarem Originally by: Uronksur Suth Originally by: Simon Tarem First try googling CCP whats the first thing that comes up? Community College of Philadelphia, then CCP games, then EVE Online. Your point? Originally by: Simon Tarem Oh and did EVE not win some award recently what was that for again? ;) It was for best community and best game of 2009. How does this support your claim that players of EVE are exclusively PC-gamers? No no no I miss-worded my comment I am saying that EVE is pc only not that people who play EVE are pc only Oh ok then lol that makes a lot more sense then now hehe
NOGC BLAST	Posted - 2010.01.27 20:28:00 - [303] Ooh what the hell! I'll just jump in, i am stupid after all. Here is the thing, arguing over what is better PC or Console, will ALWAYS have flaws in the argument. Nether is better. Yes PC = easier hack. Fact, Consoles CAN be hacked, but not as easy. Here's the thing, i don't think it should be PC or Console Exclusive! Ether of those would be an insult to gamers of all platforms. PC fans tend to try and talk things out in a long big worded manner, this makes us sound like pricks.... Console fans storm petitions like this and fill it with insults and raw emotion! I think we need to both get are heads out of are asses and start 2 petitions! One for Yes, One for No. This will draw the battle line clear and make the votes easy to count and the winner will be declared! If we must fight then lets fight so as they will listen to us instead of ignoring everyone because we make these petition posts erratic and filled with more ***ing then real comments. I personally believe in equality for all platforms! But that looks more and more like a pipe dream. If you companys have not stopped reading this by now listen to me, Console and PC fans DO NOT MIX! you most find a bridge that both sides don't want to set of fire! Well **s to me i make my opinion clear as a bell. MAY THE FLAMING ON MY POST BEGIN!!! Don't expect me to care, i can't change your minds.
ReklavEM	Posted - 2010.02.20 17:42:00 - [304] /Signed Dust 514 PC version please.
Rvlxnx	Posted - 2010.02.20 19:24:00 - [305] Edited by: Rvlxnx on 20/02/2010 19:26:30 ye i play console too but im an onliner = PSP ( playstation portable)(pc as well obviously) will, i wonder, it make it to the PSP handheld with headset suport, ad hoc, infrastructure, single player, with uploadable/downloadable data/items/exp into the "main" core??; vice versa into the PSP?? i hope so. Although id much rather see it on the PC; an exclusive for the PSP(as in not for the DS series or other "handhelds series") would be nice as well.
Weleho Rogan	Posted - 2010.02.27 00:55:00 - [306] Edited by: Weleho Rogan on 27/02/2010 00:56:29 /signed FPS were meant for PC anyways, are the CCP worried about the fact that people playing on PC might end up ripping all the console gamers to shreads? ^^ and yes, each and every EVE player has a PC, but not all of them have a console.. soooo..
Malen Nenokal The Nightshift	Posted - 2010.03.02 23:14:00 - [307] Being a big PC shooter fan, I fully support this.
Fachxphyre	Posted - 2010.03.05 07:26:00 - [308] /signed i would buy this for PC, but do not have an xbox 360 or ps3 so i would be left in the dark otherwise. i will not spend hundreds of dollars to buy a console just to play dust 514, but would gladly shell out for the PC version, even if i have to upgrade a bit to play.
Kayllyn Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.09 02:12:00 - [309] Edited by: Kayllyn on 09/03/2010 02:13:25 CCP is pretty ret@rded here. First off if you are developing for xbox 360 it isn't that hard to port to PC. Second off, is thinking that they can make a dent in a market that is already flooded with FPSes without relying on their current customers to champion their product is foolhardy. I don't own a console, and I won't buy one for the mediocre FPS DUST 514. Just look at all the problems and bugs with Eve, you KNOW that DUST won't be a polished A+ grade shooter. There will be -no- reason to buy it outside of something to do in the eve universe when not running fleet/corp ops. However, I would be willing to pay $40 (I'd laugh at 50-60) to play DUST 514 on PC. But justifying $130 for a console, $65 for a year of xbox live, and then $50 for the game adds up to $245 for a game that I don't really want to play in the first place. tl;dr: there are too many good "thoroughbred" games out there to play DUST 514 on console.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.09 09:25:00 - [310] Originally by: Kayllyn Edited by: Kayllyn on 09/03/2010 02:13:25 First off if you are developing for xbox 360 it isn't that hard to port to PC. You're aware that the Xbox 360 doesn't use x86 processors, right?

Drakuhr	Posted - 2010.03.15 10:52:00 - [311] /signed I'm all for this entering the PC market as well. I don't mind seeing it on consoles..but I, like many other players it seems, will not go out of my way to buy a console purely for Dust. Especially if it is a fps, as those just are utter rubbish on consoles - i've tried many and hated all. PC is the only true fps platform. Others may disagree, but the console version is already certain for you.. I want this game to be made available for PC,too. I have seen plenty of solid arguments that support a move to the PC, but none that really stand out why this should be console only. Surely, CCP can not ignore their player base like that?
Enzu777	Posted - 2010.03.15 16:00:00 - [312]
cBOLTSON Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.03.16 13:02:00 - [313] All I can say is..... CCP... WHY NOT MAKE IT AVAILABLE ON ALL PLATFORMS?!! You really dont make sense. For years your PC and PC ONLY gamers have supported you operations and grew your game as you have wanted to expand. I also TOTALLY understand getting into the console market. However, unless you have some awesome ideas to make a fps element in the pc EVE that we play now,(Be it incarna, or something else) then why would you not include a pc version?? Are you plain stupid?? lol and im being serious. Ahh well if you dont, then fine, shoot yourselves in the foot if thats how you like to roll ccp.... o_0
Astreaul EuDoTeK Forn Sidr Fyrd	Posted - 2010.03.20 17:11:00 - [314] agreed
Finn McCaan	Posted - 2010.03.21 10:26:00 - [315] since dust is for the 360 - microsoft made a big thing of 360 pc cross play. But it didnt really take off, the only game i can think of was shadow run that got labasted for many good reasons. I would like a PC version, and i dont really mind if i cant play with the 360 crowd directly.
NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.21 12:22:00 - [316] Edited by: NightmareX on 21/03/2010 12:24:50 To those who say omgomgomg wtf, if Dust 514 is coming to consoles only, then i will miss out a part of EVE. Can i ask if your totally stupid or what?. That's like saying, omgomg, i can't use a Titan in EVE because i have no Titan skills. CCP, let me have all of the Titan skills right now, so i don't miss out a part of EVE. If you want to have Dust 514 with you on top of EVE, then buy Dust 514 and the console it comes out to. Simple as that. If you can't afford that, then get a damn job. A PS3 or an XBox 360 isn't really expensive today, so if you can't spend that on something that you might have for many many years, then you don't deserve to be a part of Dust 514 tbh. Not supported. Dust 514 will come out to consoles ONLY. You just have to live with it.
Marlona Sky D00M.	Posted - 2010.03.22 03:12:00 - [317] Originally by: cBOLTSON emo rage tears Your a special kind of stupid aren't you?
Oghma Grianainech The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.03.22 12:02:00 - [318] Signed and agreed. After waiting for years for a all out war in eve, we got a half apearsed Faction warfare. Now after waiting for years again for first person enviorment, we get a kick in the balls go buy a xbox treatment. Next CCP will want everything to buy a IBM blade cause you have to run your own mini cluster at home to play.
Hien Morisato	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:33:00 - [319] I do own almost every console out right now including the old Atari lol. yeah I'm a diehard gamer what can i say. I also build myself a new computer about every one to three years to keep up with the PC gaming world. Dust514 on a console is going to be a little difficult to swallow. I play counter-strike well all of the Half-life games really. But, mainly counter-strike:source. I used to play counter-strike competitively and I still keep ties with teams that do by running a gaming community that sponsors teams in CEVO and other leagues. Some of the PC gamers play with console controllers rather then keyboard and mouse simply because they play both online console FPSs and PC FPSs its easier to switch back and forth. Some LAN tournaments my teams have gone to offer both controllers and Keyboards/Mouse setups on they're tournament PCs. I've only been to two Tournaments that used consoles one was a halo tournament and the other was a old school Golden Eye tournament back in the day. Console just isn't used that much for FPS game play. I know there are a lot of console FPSs out there but compared to PC, its nothing. Now with the release of MAG the number of FPSs for consoles may change but if you think about it. Dust514 is going to be directly competing with MAG. Which from what I've been reading about both games Dust514 vs MAG......is a very very bad idea and Dust514 even with the support of a great MMO will likely fail. So personally I think what really happened is CCP didn't do they're research on FPS players and just decided to make an FPS game for an MMO that would attach itself. Kewl idea but ya really need to put your feelers out to actual FPS players not just your current EVE MMO players. Just a guess but they are prolly hoping for EVE to carry them, not to mention the fact that I'm sure a number of EVE players like to play FPSs as this thread clearly shows. So more then likely a number of EVE subscribers will either A.) keep they're accounts on EVE and create an account on Dust514 or B.) Drop they're account on EVE and switch over to Dust514 Either way CCP could have easily fixed this by releasing it on both PC and Console though more expensive they would have a larger play base to work with and a bigger market. Then again they would be competing with every single FPS out rather then just a couple. However if they really wanted to impress the world pull a reverse on the PC gamers. Set it up so you can run keyboard and mouse controls on the console. Though I don't know if that would work for Xbox I know it would prolly work great on PS3 lol. Oh well hope CCP doesn't screw this up and sinks all kinds of cash into Dust514 in so doing loosing players on both EVE and the new Dust514 having to sell the games to a big game company like EA that will ruin everything lol. But who knows Dust514 might kick everythings but and become the next counter-strike with over 1.5mil players online playing on various servers all over the world at the same time.
Stalina Gallente Serious Business Incorporated	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:39:00 - [320] Originally by: NightmareX Can i ask if your totally stupid or what?. Well you are. Originally by: NightmareX If you want to have Dust 514 with you on top of EVE, then buy Dust 514 and the console it comes out to. Simple as that. If you can't afford that, then get a damn job. That's so dumb, maybe you should get a life? ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.29 21:54:00 - [321] Originally by: Stalina Originally by: NightmareX Can i ask if your totally stupid or what?. Well you are. Originally by: NightmareX If you want to have Dust 514 with you on top of EVE, then buy Dust 514 and the console it comes out to. Simple as that. If you can't afford that, then get a damn job. That's so dumb, maybe you should get a life? I get a life?. Well maybe you didn't know it that i already have a life. I work everyday and have no problems at all to buy a PS3 or Xbox360 to play Dust 514.
Shol'vara APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2010.03.30 04:53:00 - [322] Originally by: Hien Morisato Set it up so you can run keyboard and mouse controls on the console. This, i cant stand using either the PS3 or 360's pad for fps games
Ris Dnalor Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2010.04.01 06:00:00 - [323] agreed. I have no problem including console players, but excluding your primary playerbase is bollux. I don't own a console, nor will I be buying one.
Alexis Rakun Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.01 19:06:00 - [324] If its to get the game out well on console thats fine, as long as its on both XB and Ps3. Hey, if the PC release comes later thats fine, remember you'll be using your PC to play EVE on so it might actually be better to not release it on PC. I can't decide whether to give props or not so consider this a provisional Yes. d^.^b "Live the life that you got without regret, coz unlike the capsuleers you only got one" FA Page
RawNerv	Posted - 2010.04.05 05:50:00 - [325] IM NOT SPENDING $300 FOR A SHOOTER
Uronksur Suth	Posted - 2010.04.05 07:18:00 - [326] I am deeply amused that this sob thread is actually still alive.
Johnny Dexter	Posted - 2010.04.05 18:41:00 - [327] Just wait until the console herd runs off to the next mainstream overhyped generic space marine drool and CCP is forced to either port the game to the PC or let it die. Just wait...
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.05 19:24:00 - [328] Originally by: Ris Dnalor agreed. I have no problem including console players, but excluding your primary playerbase is bollux. I don't own a console, nor will I be buying one. Then you're not Dust 514's target audience v0v CCP have repeatedly stated that Dust is not aimed at EVE players, so the whole argument that they're missing out on players by not releasing it on PC (so that EVE players can get it) is very easily answered by a "duh! so what?" (or using the more snide EVE:ism of "we didn't want those players anyway"). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Stalina Gallente Serious Business Incorporated	Posted - 2010.04.09 19:16:00 - [329] Edited by: Stalina on 09/04/2010 19:16:53 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Stalina Originally by: NightmareX Can i ask if your totally stupid or what?. Well you are. Originally by: NightmareX If you want to have Dust 514 with you on top of EVE, then buy Dust 514 and the console it comes out to. Simple as that. If you can't afford that, then get a damn job. That's so dumb, maybe you should get a life? I get a life?. Well maybe you didn't know it that i already have a life. I work everyday and have no problems at all to buy a PS3 or Xbox360 to play Dust 514. It's still a difference if you buy one or can afford to buy one. Also you implied that anyone, who does not want to afford an overpriced console, has no job. You are a generalizing idiot. Also, I dont know if you get a life, dont ask me doode. edit: spelling ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
NightmareX Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.09 19:42:00 - [330] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2010 19:42:46 Originally by: Stalina Edited by: Stalina on 09/04/2010 19:16:53 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Stalina Originally by: NightmareX Can i ask if your totally stupid or what?. Well you are. Originally by: NightmareX If you want to have Dust 514 with you on top of EVE, then buy Dust 514 and the console it comes out to. Simple as that. If you can't afford that, then get a damn job. That's so dumb, maybe you should get a life? I get a life?. Well maybe you didn't know it that i already have a life. I work everyday and have no problems at all to buy a PS3 or Xbox360 to play Dust 514. It's still a difference if you buy one or can afford to buy one. Also you implied that anyone, who does not want to afford an overpriced console, has no job. You are a generalizing idiot. Also, I dont know if you get a life, dont ask me doode. edit: spelling I an afford one and i will buy an Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 not just for Dust 514. I'm buying it so i have other nice games to play that will come out in the future. Do you really think i'm gonna buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 just for Dust 514?. If you think that, then it's not me that is the idiot here. Now what's your next dumb excuse?.

Empress Shai	Posted - 2010.04.10 13:17:00 - [331] Looking at the standpoint of it's exclusivity, I think it is a bad idea to make it console solely. It seems, the more platforms (meaning also on PC), the more money. If they do micro transactions, they would likely see more income off of having more methods of gameplay, maning wouldn't they make more money if it was also on the PC? I am not against it being on consoles, as to I enjoy my 360, but I play shooters on my PC. Ah well, whatever, I am buying it either way.
dazim666	Posted - 2010.04.16 07:03:00 - [332] im getting sick and tired of games only being sold for consoles it is just a cheap way for Microsoft or Sony to make a few cheap bucks it dosent even make sense pc's have more advantages then consoles and im beginning to feel like we are being discriminated against just because we of the type of hardware we own. if this kind of thing happens here i may just quit eve.
AKKADIAN9000	Posted - 2010.05.08 03:28:00 - [333] this is my first post when i found out about this bein for consoles only i was shocked b4 i knew this i was so fired up to play this then all came crashing down :( but i say what the hell let console and pc come together in the gaming world. let us join as 1 and have a good time. yes PC players will have the upper hand but wouldn't that mean console players would get better in time ? anyway enuff of that i think it should be on PC would be a great shame if it wasn't. PLEASEEEEE LET THE 2 WORLDS COME TOGETHER AS ONE PLEASEEEEE!!!!!!!
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.08 04:46:00 - [334] Talking about Aimbots and hacks in an FPS MMO is ridiculous. An AAA title will sort that out over time and ban those users, It's much less relevant than it is with games like MW2. So the fact that the PC is more accessible for hackers is irrelevant.
Digaph 1st Furtive Green Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.08 11:57:00 - [335] Supporting the OP. "I'm not a complete idiot... ...some parts are missing"
Callidius	Posted - 2010.05.08 23:15:00 - [336] I too would like to see this game on the PC! I currently does not own a console and is not planning on buying one, unless they start supporting mouse and keyboard as an alternative way of interaction. I fail to see why this has not happened already - simply let players choose between the two! If original console players think mouse+keyboard is an unfair advantage they may choose to switch as well. Any fancy ideas as to why this has not yet happened?
Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.08 23:51:00 - [337] Originally by: So Sensational Talking about Aimbots and hacks in an FPS MMO is ridiculous. An AAA title will sort that out over time and ban those users, It's much less relevant than it is with games like MW2. So the fact that the PC is more accessible for hackers is irrelevant. Wow. Look how stupid you are.
Random MonDistinct Alternative Innovations	Posted - 2010.05.09 06:28:00 - [338] Do not see a reason why it can not be made available for PC as well.... if only for a reason of boosting console market Supported. If we're alone in the universe, it's an awful waste of space. Faivorite FanSite
Helmh0ltz Blue is the New Red	Posted - 2010.05.09 17:08:00 - [339] I didn't bother reading all twelve pages. Console exclusivity is the right business decision. Consoles have a huge shooter market share PCs have a tiny one. I'm sorry if you're a hardcore PC shooter gamer, but you are screwed no matter what. I told the same thing to all the people I knew who were *****ing about the crappy PC port of MW2. If they have ability to easily port it, great. If not, I would rather them work on improving Dust then porting it to a platform that represents a minuscule portion of the shooter market. ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.
Officer Chandra	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:49:00 - [340] /signed /signed and more /signed When I first saw the trailers for DUST I was ecstatic! (Being a relic from the bygone age of Planetside, and wanting something more meaningful than 2142.) Then I saw it was console only... I was both confused and **ed. That's on par with Sony deciding to announce that they're making a sequel to Planetside... Console only! I don't begrudge CCP the opportunity to make money on all the console kids, but for those of us already involved in Eve, I have to agree with earlier posters (in both threads) that shelling out for XBL, ISP, Eve, and possibly DUST (don't know if an 'MMO' sub would be rolled into XBL), ESPECIALLY during a global recession, is just plain silly. (Or unrealisticly greedy.) Also, I agree with many that have stated that this decision is very much a slap in the face to the existing Eve playerbase. I'm all for expanding the accessibility of the games and the setting, but ostracizing your existing fanbase for the chance to make an extra buck from Microsoft on a platform specific release is a surprisingly dense marketing decision. Simply Put: Give us cross platform. Speaking not only for myself but a group of 8 (some Eve players, some not) that I game with on a regular basis. If you release on PC we will all purchase. If you do not release on PC none of us will purchase.** I say this not out of a desire to be ornery, but simply as a statement of fact.

Fellhahn	Posted - 2010.05.28 04:36:00 - [341] This is OUR universe, and I damn well want to be able to play my role in shaping it. PC will always trump console for FPS playability. That's not to say I hate consoles, own a 360 and love it.
Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.28 12:14:00 - [342] Originally by: Fellhahn PC will always trump console for FPS playability. Cool opinion bro. A fun fact for you is that console players are different than PC players. DUST 514 is meant to bring in the console players. If you want to be part of the EVE universe and have a PC, you play EVE-Online. If you have a console, you play DUST 514. If you have both a PC and console, then it is just a matter of what aspect of the EVE universe you want to help shape at the time. What part of this concept do you guys not understand?
SCjake333	Posted - 2010.06.01 14:03:00 - [343] CCP!! please make dust for pc!! it will create so much more dept for eve and especially be cool in combination with sov claiming (wich you made easyer). your dicission so far is a total backstab to me and the entire eve community.
SCjake333	Posted - 2010.06.01 14:08:00 - [344] and consoles already have modern warfare 2 n things like that, if they cant link the game direcly with the same machine, theyll never chose dust over all the competition. as the the intrest of a console player is not in pc games, and the communication between pc and console gamers is a poor one. (in effect also between eve and dust 514 as you need to communicate in 2 different consoles and games, that contect will then barely be made).
Sujanra Acoma Minmatar Shadow Kitty Legion	Posted - 2010.06.01 21:11:00 - [345] I don't support. Developing for console and developing for PC are two different animals- so, to focus on both will likely be to the detriment of both. Furthermore, I doubt having some people on consoles and some on PCs would make for a balanced match, so the two populations would have to be kept separate. Too much hassle. If the DUST population crashes for consoles, I imagine they will port to PC, but for the time being, this is a waste of CSM time.
Ranka Mei	Posted - 2010.06.01 23:29:00 - [346] Supported. Console exclusivity is silly. The only reason some companies do so is because A) PC games get copied illegally; and B) PC games get hacked. The former doesn't apply at all. And as for the latter, granted, a console-exclusive Dust 514 wouldn't see much macro-mining, but overall EVE is still considered one of the least hackable games around. Also, way to alienate your current, loyal PC fan-base, CCP. --
Bomberlocks Star Bombers	Posted - 2010.06.01 23:50:00 - [347] The thing that worries me about DUST being a console only game is the definite possibility that the game will simply be unpopular with console gamers and will leave CCP and the rest of us that either don't own consoles or simply are not interested in having to switch platforms to play a new part of the game with a useless extension that will torpedo part of the whole PI hype. Console gamers are hard to please and games with bugs (which CCP seems to have a particular love for) very seldom get anywhere and usually end up gathering DUST (yay, pun) on the shelves. In addition to that, DUST is being built using the UT3 engine. In addition to the fact that UT3 is no longer all that popular, there are very many FPS games for consoles and the odds of DUST being more popular than say, Halo, or a new version of Half Life are slim indeed. I think the only people who would put up with CCP's release first, debug later development pattern are the people who play Eve now. tl;dr: Bring DUST to the PC so at least someone will actually play it.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.06.02 00:42:00 - [348] Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 02/06/2010 00:42:19 Originally by: Bomberlocks The thing that worries me about DUST being a console only game is the definite possibility that the game will simply be unpopular with console gamers and will leave CCP and the rest of us that either don't own consoles or simply are not interested in having to switch platforms to play a new part of the game with a useless extension that will torpedo part of the whole PI hype. I didn't agree at first, saw the choice as a smart way to save costs, however I must agree now that I've seen the sorry state of console FPS gaming. It seems to me that being a console FPS game it's likely that within 4 weeks the game will be relatively dead, especially when P2P MP game hosting. There is a clear difference between FPS on console vrs PC. On console FPS games come and go, they are generic ports and made for cheap, hit the market, sell well, then die off ready for the next FPS. Whereas on PC communities form, dedicated servers are tweaked to perfection and players loyally play the same FPS for years on end. Console FPS is a no-brainer usually, it's a quick cash injection that really does work. However if the aim is to create a strong franchise that maintains popularity over years then console is the worst place to be. Quote: Bring DUST to the PC so at least someone will actually play it.
goon fuget	Posted - 2010.06.02 03:08:00 - [349] **** man Jesus
Larry C	Posted - 2010.06.02 10:47:00 - [350] Originally by: Officer Chandra If you release on PC we will all purchase.

Rokkit Kween	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:02:00 - [351] There are a number of definable flaws with releasing DUST on console only. The lifetime of any console game is restricted to a maximum of the lifetime of the console, with many other limiting factors coming into play. Competition in the console games market is incredibly fierce, games released on consoles tend to have absolutely huge marketing budgets and console gamers have short attention spans. DUST may well be the best console shooter when it is released but how long can it feasibly hold onto that top spot? Only until the next big thing comes out, be it another Halo, God of War, Final Fantasy, or Call of Duty. To have any longevity DUST will have to keep pace with developments in other console shooters and continually do better than any new releases which come along and try to tempt the playerbase away to newer and shinier toys. One thing that is essential if DUST is to integrate with EVE successfully is a stable playerbase, and the work needed to maintain that on a console is orders of magnitude greater than that required on the PC. If DUST is released exclusively on consoles it will more than likely be a phenomenal success for a couple of months, until it is surpassed by the next big thing. This is great if it is a standalone title, with no connection to EVE apart from the IP, and I'm sure that CCP will rejoice in the amount of money it makes them. however as part of the EVE experience it is likely to be little more than an footnote. The entire concept of DUST deserves more than this. A marrying of EVE and an FPS on PC can achieve that. If anyone has played Planetside, the potential for deepening and expanding the EVE universe into ground based combat is something that should not be done in half measures. DUST for PC and fully integrated with EVE, or on console but a standalone title. Those are the only two options which make sense.
Adainy Gwanwyn	Posted - 2010.06.04 03:37:00 - [352] Edited by: Adainy Gwanwyn on 04/06/2010 03:36:51 I support this issue and all, but geez, you "PC only" elitists are unbelievable. I'm sure you'll all shoot me dead when I say it, but I prefer to play my FPSs on console. If you don't, and they release only on the 360 and PS3, woops. Oh well. What're you gonna do, drop your sub? With the way CCP has been using their 1. Shiny new thing 2. ??? 3. Profit!!! marketing tactics, I doubt they'll miss you. Just saying. In any case, yes, release on PC and console. But I'm not crying if you don't.
Miyamoto Isoruku Original Sin.	Posted - 2010.06.04 04:39:00 - [353] No reason that I can think of not to release Dust for PCs as well, tbh.
VantDre Night Aztecs	Posted - 2010.06.04 05:12:00 - [354] CCP, PC games LIVE longer simple fact. I would like it on all my consoles AND my computer. Explore the options that other games have done with pc AND console gamers togeather. I'm sure this has already touched your thoughts somewhat. SO perv on it some. I'm the same as the original poster in how this is. /signed tosses a beer to gerbile that reads the poasts for ccp.
0silt	Posted - 2010.06.04 15:19:00 - [355]
Exelles	Posted - 2010.06.04 15:19:00 - [356]
Onyth	Posted - 2010.06.04 19:41:00 - [357] Would also like to see DUST come out on pc, all I've got is a PS2 and horrible memories of shooters on it.
Shardivh	Posted - 2010.06.05 01:52:00 - [358] Supported. I would definatley buy and play dust on pc, but probably not on console. I understand that ccp wants to make a game to appeal to the people they beleive least likely to play eve, but they could at least make a pc port.
Lyasi	Posted - 2010.06.05 20:26:00 - [359] +1 Split the planets between the two if you need to separate pc gamers from console, but please release for both. Either that or give the console keyboard and mouse support. I can't stand using controllers and haven't bought another fps for a console since I first used a mouse and keyboard.


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