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mettisitis sindicis	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:14:00 - [271] What is the risk for CCP? How much of the development cost for Dust is on credit? If Dust flops, will the burden for paying off the debt be put on EVE subscribers? I think I am one of the few that thinks the video looks like crap. Everyone else seemed to cream their pants. Seriously, it looks like Halo with EVE's bland textures and dull, muted color schemes. There are already games where your character progresses and earns access to new weapons. There are already games where you can modify your weapons. I am not sure what you're offering that sets it apart from other FPSes, other than the connection to EVE. As another poster pointed out, forced online play on a console is guaranteeing failure. The only FPS that successfully did this was America's Army, and that was only successful on PCs, it was totally free, was developed with government money as part of the general recruitment budget. (Their goal wasn't to make money, but to encourage players to join the actual army, just like recruitment advertisements.) Planetside was a hit at first, but it eventually declined. Also the reason it was initially a hit was because it offered epic, huge battles, something Dust seems to put a cap on. Seriously, I can't think of purely-online, purely-pvp game that succeeded unless it was free to play. Is Dust 514 going to be a free download? Is that why they are going with the micro-transaction model? As a console owner, I can't imagine buying this ( ok, I probably will, but only because I am an EVE fan), when I am forced to play online with strangers, with no pve. What if the time of day available to me, there aren't many players online? I prefer to only play with my RL friends on Xbox Live. There are way too many immature players and weirdos I encountered when I was playing Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 (A game I love). No PvE = No Dust.
karma militia	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:11:00 - [272] Originally by: mettisitis sindicis What is the risk for CCP? How much of the development cost for Dust is on credit? If Dust flops, will the burden for paying off the debt be put on EVE subscribers? I think I am one of the few that thinks the video looks like crap. Everyone else seemed to cream their pants. Seriously, it looks like Halo with EVE's bland textures and dull, muted color schemes. There are already games where your character progresses and earns access to new weapons. There are already games where you can modify your weapons. I am not sure what you're offering that sets it apart from other FPSes, other than the connection to EVE. As another poster pointed out, forced online play on a console is guaranteeing failure. The only FPS that successfully did this was America's Army, and that was only successful on PCs, it was totally free, was developed with government money as part of the general recruitment budget. (Their goal wasn't to make money, but to encourage players to join the actual army, just like recruitment advertisements.) Planetside was a hit at first, but it eventually declined. Also the reason it was initially a hit was because it offered epic, huge battles, something Dust seems to put a cap on. Seriously, I can't think of purely-online, purely-pvp game that succeeded unless it was free to play. Is Dust 514 going to be a free download? Is that why they are going with the micro-transaction model? As a console owner, I can't imagine buying this ( ok, I probably will, but only because I am an EVE fan), when I am forced to play online with strangers, with no pve. What if the time of day available to me, there aren't many players online? I prefer to only play with my RL friends on Xbox Live. There are way too many immature players and weirdos I encountered when I was playing Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 (A game I love). No PvE = No Dust. Meh, Dust does not appeal to me, but neither does any munted console FPS. CCP know their **, they are just reaching out for an alternate market base. It's a hell of alot better than changing eve so it becomes more "accessible". For this they earn a great deal of respect from me (at the very least). All those people who feel betrayed by DUST not being for PC, either havn't thought it through, or are, ummm, in the lower percentile. Originally by:** Corwain The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
Sojourner Melakah	Posted - 2009.11.15 23:54:00 - [273] Edited by: Sojourner Melakah on 15/11/2009 23:55:46 eh.... all the whining around here reminds me of a nursery full of a bunch of weened infants. annoying as hell so I don't blame ccp for not posting any responses... Anyways, I think this dust idea has alot of potential. What I would definately like to see is more integration between Dust and Eve. I realize that it's probably unrealistic to expect integration to go so far as eve players flying in planetary orbit along with dust players, etc, but I think that at least Eve players should have a hand in Dust politics. For example, perhaps Dust corporations could be owned and managed by Eve players... Also, I think that Eve players need to be rewarded for their loyalty in this venture. Granted, there will always be those who ***** and moan no matter what, but Dust should somehow be something rewarding to those Eve players who are willing to accept the change so that they won't feel like their expensive subscription fees are just to feed some other community to boost ccp's sales. Bottom line is... this is definately an opportunity for CCP to make something great... let's hope they don't settle for something less.
Zeredek	Posted - 2009.11.19 11:50:00 - [274] Also, please give epic soundtracks like Halo and GoW and all the other popular FPS games --------- rawr
Nikita Alterana Gallente Clearly Compensating Da Orkz	Posted - 2009.11.20 01:25:00 - [275] oi in dust can I shoot da dustiez wit ma boomstik an hit dem wit ma choppa?
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.20 15:37:00 - [276] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 20/11/2009 15:41:35 Has China ever produced any fully functioning game for Xbox Live or the PS network? The problem in China is - no one there is legally allowed to even play on the networks (except SAR's). Its only possible with modded consoles, and then, the consoles can get banned. Ubisoft burned out on Endgame. How is CCP going to overcome what Ubisoft could not do with its vast resources? I imagine studios get some sort of permission and set limitations, but - the entire staff of employees is cut off from network play when they go home.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.21 11:01:00 - [277] PC will be realised by ccp for the simple reason that the console market is crowded and the vast majority of eve players will simply being on PC baulk at having to buy a console when they play eve. They will want to simply log out of one game and into another on their PC. CCP need a PC version of dust 514 to leverage off at realise and then hope it grows thro word of mouth otherwise it will start off ok with the console crowd who are usually fickle who will get bored of it then it will only really be the eve players themselves who will maybe play or if ccp has a pc version they can leverage off 600000 subscirbers potentially who can simply even run eve and dust 514 on their PCs at the same time. Wait aned see ccp has the trademark to dust 514 and they also have built it on the unreal 3 game engine which .... runs on u guessed it PC If i get a email with dust 514 going live saying from ccp look at this isnt it pretty please sign up as they do on their mailing list to promo new expansions and get back old players who unsubscribe. and its not on PC im going to mail it back and go hahaha not a chance get it on PC and ill sign up to both Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.22 01:06:00 - [278] why should PC players be denied the right to have a quality fps space based shooter is the question that must be asked Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.24 11:33:00 - [279] going to bump this up a bit to keep it on our minds , ccp perhaps might give us some indication say every fortnight on some dev blogs on dust 514 and progress just to stir up some interest. Their version at fanfest had the look of being along, the commander overview map was the weak point, the war point system under explained. Im guessing that the ground combat bit is probably nearly ready. Which indicates to me that 3 years in development may give us a closer timeframe than the 18 months mooted at fanfest Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2009.11.24 11:46:00 - [280] Originally by: HeliosGal why should PC players be denied the right to have a quality fps space based shooter is the question that must be asked PC players are not denied anything. If you go to the store to buy a 360 and Dust then the clerk wont deny you the game. If you limit your gaming to one platform then thats your own fault. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
MaxPower 519 Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated	Posted - 2009.11.24 16:48:00 - [281] Originally by: Haraldhardrade Originally by: HeliosGal why should PC players be denied the right to have a quality fps space based shooter is the question that must be asked PC players are not denied anything. If you go to the store to buy a 360 and Dust then the clerk wont deny you the game. If you limit your gaming to one platform then thats your own fault. What? So I should pay for something thats a downgrade of my PC just so I can play one game?
ChrisDude70	Posted - 2009.12.03 09:43:00 - [282] Originally by: MaxPower 519 Originally by: Haraldhardrade Originally by: HeliosGal why should PC players be denied the right to have a quality fps space based shooter is the question that must be asked PC players are not denied anything. If you go to the store to buy a 360 and Dust then the clerk wont deny you the game. If you limit your gaming to one platform then thats your own fault. Yes, yes you should. Really, the 360s not that bad and by the time Dust is out the 360 is going to be cheap as dirt. What? So I should pay for something thats a downgrade of my PC just so I can play one game?
Fire Watch	Posted - 2009.12.03 15:02:00 - [283] CCP expects us to buy some ****ty console just to play DUST? REALLY?
Fire Watch	Posted - 2009.12.03 15:12:00 - [284] Originally by: MaxPower 519 What? So I should pay for something thats a downgrade of my PC just so I can play one game? I know.. wtf is CCP thinking?++??
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.12.03 17:53:00 - [285] Originally by: Fire Watch CCP expects us to buy some **ty console just to play DUST? REALLY? No, they expect to access a new market share for them by having people who own some ty consoles buy and play DUST. You, being a person averse to **ty consoles, are not part of their target audience. -----
Fire Watch	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:26:00 - [286] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai No, they expect to access a new market share for them by having people who own some ****ty consoles buy and play DUST. You mean all those halo type FPS gamers? good luck selling Dust to them
Alex Raptos Caldari Phoenix Rising.	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:28:00 - [287] Originally by: Fire Watch Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai No, they expect to access a new market share for them by having people who own some **ty consoles buy and play DUST. You mean all those halo type FPS gamers? good luck selling Dust to them They don't need luck, just flashy advertisements. Modern Warfare 2 proved that. Originally by:** Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
Fire Watch	Posted - 2009.12.03 18:32:00 - [288] Originally by: Alex Raptos ]They don't need luck, just flashy advertisements. Modern Warfare 2 proved that. As if CCP can afford a 30 million dollar ad campaign..
genette devo Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.16 21:14:00 - [289] One thing i want to know Is this a pure arena death match like unreal tourney, or will there be things to do between matches, I'd hate to see it be one of those games that has you spend 90% of your time in a lobby waiting for a fame.
Molaichi	Posted - 2009.12.17 05:35:00 - [290] Watched the trailer, looks very bland. Unless it becomes much better enough to stand out, it will never make it in the current FPS market, which is flooded by quality FPS games.
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:04:00 - [291] Edited by: Winters Chill on 31/12/2009 11:04:51 Dust needs power suits, not the weak pink anime type - the tough 80's, 90's inspired hard sci fi type here
cheet sheet	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:15:00 - [292] Originally by: Fire Watch Originally by: Alex Raptos ]They don't need luck, just flashy advertisements. Modern Warfare 2 proved that. As if CCP can afford a 30 million dollar ad campaign.. Link or ....
Fireblade Stu Minmatar Virginia Company	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:51:00 - [293] Bring it on I say, multiplatform gaming is the way to go. I got both the 360 and PS3 so im well looking forward to this arriving. This is why I got back into EVE. Having mates on either console slugging it out on the ground while im in orbit slugging it out with another fleet does sound very awesome. I just hope they pull this off and well cause this could be the next benchmark in online gaming. Think about it, the fanboi's on all platforms that ramble on about how PS3/360/PC is crap for whatever reason all stuck on the one game on the one server actually given the tools to take out their rabbid fanboi-ism against each other for having the "wrong" platform sounds like its going to really stir up a sh*t storm in New Eden when all three go head 2 head. If Dust 514 doesnt come out on PC, its no real skin off my nose so im not bothered but if Duster's warbarges start cropping up in EVE moving planet to planet (I would hope so and that they dont just "appear" on a planet), the PC owers that are miffed about missing out on EVE due to not having a console will no doubt start actively hunting them, which will no doubt have Dusters looking to drag in EVE mercs or corps to fly cover for them.
Ahriene Feveilles Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.31 12:12:00 - [294] Edited by: Ahriene Feveilles on 31/12/2009 12:12:08 The reason I'm against it being console-only is that it really, really sucks to play shooters without a mouse. I honestly have no idea how console FPS games became so big? Some console games do have support for mouse, but they're few and far between.
Fireblade Stu Minmatar Virginia Company	Posted - 2009.12.31 12:32:00 - [295] Originally by: Ahriene Feveilles Edited by: Ahriene Feveilles on 31/12/2009 12:12:08 The reason I'm against it being console-only is that it really, really sucks to play shooters without a mouse. I honestly have no idea how console FPS games became so big? Some console games do have support for mouse, but they're few and far between. Its really personal pref as to how you want to play them I guess. Whats right for you in your playstyle might seem complicated to others. Some folks out there just cannot take to a mouse and keyboard setup. I know some folks that are on the 360 just cannot take to a PS3 pad for example too. (Why I have no idea, apart from the left stick and D-Pad flipped around they are pretty much one and the same). You could take your stand point on the idea and flip it on its head. I.e. console owners *****ing that EVE will never be out on their systems and why they have to fork out a small forune for a PC to get on EVE. FPS's are very very big on consoles so its only natural to bring an EVE FPS to the masses and much larger gaming audience. I dont see the harm in keeping DUST and EVE on seperate systems myself but thats for the masses to decide if a MW2 server campain kicked off to bring Dust to the PC market as well, then I would be very surprised if CCP just ignored the cries and carryed on. But also in the same token, if PC owners became Dusters as well, then there is a large chance that the console Dusters would be shunned by their PC counterparts and just left to fend for themselves. Which with their only means of getting around in New Eden being the Warbarge without some help from Eve'rs would be like leading Lambs to the slaughter the second they step of a planet.
Ahriene Feveilles Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.31 13:36:00 - [296] Edited by: Ahriene Feveilles on 31/12/2009 13:36:24 Quote: Its really personal pref as to how you want to play them I guess. Whats right for you in your playstyle might seem complicated to others. Some folks out there just cannot take to a mouse and keyboard setup. Sure, but in this case I just can't see it. Sports games, platform games etc by all means, a controller is superior. For moving around in a FPS I can agree that a controller is pretty nice, but for aiming??!? There's just no way to aim anywhere near as quickly or accurately with a stick as with a mouse. There just isn't. If you've never played a shooter with a decent mouse, then I guess a controller could feel pretty good. And it's cheaper to get a console than to keep upgrading your PC to keep up with the latest shooters. So for those reasons I do in a way get why they are big. I've played plenty of console shooters with my friends, so I've learned to tolerate it somewhat and even gotten quite good, but the poor aiming just kills me (Literally and figuratively) every time. To someone used to PC shooters it feels like a poor imitation. I'm not clamouring for it to be PC-only or to even be released on the PC, as I probably wouldn't get it either way as I'm a laptop user without the finances to keep upgrading so I can play newer FPS games. So I'm not "*****ing".
Fireblade Stu Minmatar Virginia Company	Posted - 2009.12.31 15:59:00 - [297] Originally by: Ahriene Feveilles Sure, but in this case I just can't see it. Sports games, platform games etc by all means, a controller is superior. For moving around in a FPS I can agree that a controller is pretty nice, but for aiming??!? There's just no way to aim anywhere near as quickly or accurately with a stick as with a mouse. There just isn't. Correct, this is also why pads are next to useless for console based RTS's as well. I just wish they would give up in trying to make people use those things for the command and conquers etc. Its like trying to play any other RTS game but with one hand behind your back and three fingers broken in your free hand. The analogue stick is just fffarrrr to damn fiddly to get a quick pin point precise click, esp when things are hitting the fan and you need to quickly mobilise the correct units into place. Its also true in FPS's but thats why they program in a very basic auto aim into every game too. Ok you still need to get near to your target but once its on it, it will "lock" to what your aiming at. I.e. if your round at your mates thats got a 360 or PS3, stick COD4 on and look down the barrel of what ever gun and get your mate to walk in front of where your aiming in game, you will see your aim slightly "tug" to track your mate as he moves. CCP will no doubt have something like this in Dust too. As for a mouse, I got a Sidewinder here that I use when on Steam and EVE, does the job great guns, 2000dpi is a bit hard to get used too though but for 180'ing if something is behind yah and sniping etc it wins hands down over a pad. Again im neither up nor down about it in FPS's. But on likes of XBL or PSN where everyone is using the same interface, everyone is on the same level playing field. So its really 6 and half a dozen at the end of the day. Peeps on the consoles could argue the case that because your using superior hardware such as a ú80 gaming mouse with 4000dpi your trying to get an advantage in game with superior hardware, just as PC gamers can argue there is less skill involved with console FPS's having an auto aim to compensate and work with a pad. Every control has its ups and downs, same with every system. Its just all down to where your tastes lie at the end of the day.
Tbear Cave Bear Mining	Posted - 2009.12.31 19:16:00 - [298] Posted from a re-directed thread.... I'm more concerned about the drain on CCP resources that will take away from Eve development. If not actual Eve staff members then at least upper management will have their attention spans split between the two efforts. Neither is good for Eve if they occur. Plus the crappy economy in Iceland further complicates their personal lives in general. I see dust as just a distraction for the owners/managers of CCP. If they lose money, or need more development funds as they build that console game, guess who's on the hook.....all of us in subscription increases. Too many good gaming companies have gone down this path before and failed. They do one thing great and then decide to expand their business by venturing into new arena's. My advice to CCP is not lose your focus on a console game and stick with what you do well, a PC based MMO. Once upper management divides their attention away from Eve, CCP will begin to decline and Eve will get less attention and resources. Keep building Eve as a MMO with new content, constant updates and more ways for people to play the game and you will increase CCP's profits. I just don't see CCP making a hit out of another FPS in a very crowded FPS market. It can't be good for Eve and all of us....

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