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          Disregard That 
          Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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          Tobiaz wrote:Vile rat wrote:Frying Doom wrote: You should want local removed in Null at least so people would have to work for intel instead of getting it free. Null is meant to be the second most dangerous region in EVE not the third.
  Sell me on the concept of removing local that doesn't decimate the population in nullsec. The benefits to living there aren't all that much of an improvement over empire.   Remove local in null: null-bears move back to empire Cut PVE income in high-sec: many serious ISK-grinders will move back to null (lot of them null-alts anyway) Make NPC less predictable to reduce the risk-free nature of empire PvE Nerf excessive projection of power by a increasing the fuel-cost of capitals, to end massive NAP-trains acting as Mass Effect's Reapers, culling null-population many regions away. Impending boredom-rot will limit the size of NAP-fests as well. Ofcourse as a Goon, I'll suspect you'll be against anything that will end GoonSwarms absolute dominance in EVE (as this bundle of changes will).   You seem quite confident. "as this bundle of changes will."
  So do you have a link to the patch notes? Maybe those changes won't, after all. | 
      
      
      
          
          Nicolo da'Vicenza 
          Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 02:52:00 -
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          "absolute dominance in eve"
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          Vinn Kelsier 
          State War Academy Caldari State
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          Drax Dremal wrote:
  However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. Winston Churchill
  
 
  I can always respect a Churchill quote, but to use him at the end of a wimpy rant about fairness....you sir are a disgrace!
 
  Good Day Sir!
  Vinn | 
      
      
      
          
          strikethree 
          Purple Passion Procurements
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          Mallak Azaria wrote:Drax Dremal wrote:Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die.  You thought wrong. Looks like you're still thinking wrong. EVE isn't a cookie-cutter MMO & has not reached it's high point. Subscriber numbers climb each year, can you name any other MMO that has achieved this 9 years running?  
  Subscriber numbers may be growing but the number of active players online at any given time has been declining a lot. There are not even half as many players online at any given as there were a year and half ago. Seriously, the number of active players on the server now is about what is was when I started playing 6 years ago.
  Other than that, what you said is fairly insightful. A weird day for me to start posting on the forums. | 
      
      
      
          
          Disregard That 
          Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 03:00:00 -
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          strikethree wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Drax Dremal wrote:Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die.  You thought wrong. Looks like you're still thinking wrong. EVE isn't a cookie-cutter MMO & has not reached it's high point. Subscriber numbers climb each year, can you name any other MMO that has achieved this 9 years running?  Subscriber numbers may be growing but the number of active players online at any given time has been declining a lot. There are not even half as many players online at any given as there were a year and half ago. Seriously, the number of active players on the server now is about what is was when I started playing 6 years ago. Other than that, what you said is fairly insightful. A weird day for me to start posting on the forums.   A year and a half ago it was Christmas and the entire norhern hemisphere was covered in snow.
  FFW to present: It's a balmy 80 degrees F and people are swimming.
  Earth has seasons. | 
      
      
      
          
          Doctor Benway Kado 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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          Why would any of that destroy our domination?
  We have a group that loves gate camping and hot dropping. We have an ad-hoc 24 hour gate camp of the easiest route into our space, with no organization. We encourage new FCs to try it out by taking a bunch of drunk assholes in frigates flying around enemy territory looking for a fight. I suspect that we'd adapt very well to no local.
  Your second two points, well, we're actively doing that. Lemme tell you about a little something we call hulkageddon...
  The final point, heh. Yeah, that would probably hurt us, but you know what? It would hurt our enemies even more. I mean, you heard the whining and moaning when they nerfed titans. Could you imagine the screams of rage if you nerfed their ability to even move around? It would perhaps be the... death to supercaps. And it doesn't really 'destroy' our ability to project power. With a few exceptions, our main field of influence has been within one bridge of our territory, sometimes two. So we'll just stockpile our fuel and save it for when it's really necessary.
  And when it's really necessary? Well, moons and OTEC are an investment. You don't think our leaders would pony up for fuel to go beat up NC. again if they reformed and took tech moons again?
 
  So basically your changes would, 1.) Make nullspace more difficult for people who aren't part of a large organization with the structure in place to secure it's space (ie, not us), 2.) would achieve goals we had already set out, but faster (ie, help us), and 3.) screw over supercap-heavy alliances with anemic subcap fleets, and make our lives slightly more boring (ie, Death to Supercaps).
  You know, I feel like if I suggested these things, I would get shouted down for trying to destroy hisec/welcome to GOONS online/BLOBBER BLOBBER BLOBBER. Doesn't meant they're good ideas though. | 
      
      
      
          
          SmilingVagrant 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 03:06:00 -
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          Benway: EC- is dead man. Completely boring. I hate it. | 
      
      
      
          
          Sara XIII 
          Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 03:16:00 -
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          If you people would have just accepted The Mittani's apology....... Between Ignorance and Wisdom | 
      
      
      
          
          InternetSpaceship 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 04:09:00 -
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          Tobiaz wrote:[quote=Vile rat][quote=Frying Doom] Ofcourse as a Goon, I'll suspect you'll be against anything that will end GoonSwarms absolute dominance in EVE (as this bundle of changes will).  
  We would just do what we always do, and what Empire pubbies refuse to do. Adapt. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
  If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. | 
      
      
      
          
          Mallak Azaria 
          xX-Crusader-Xx
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          InternetSpaceship wrote:Tobiaz wrote:[quote=Vile rat][quote=Frying Doom] Ofcourse as a Goon, I'll suspect you'll be against anything that will end GoonSwarms absolute dominance in EVE (as this bundle of changes will).  We would just do what we always do, and what Empire pubbies refuse to do. Adapt.  
  Adapt & survive or fail to adapt & die off. Teehehe, I just thought of BoB. | 
      
      
      
          
          Typherian 
          Tri-gun Psychotic Tendencies.
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          Musashi IV wrote:CCP does not seem to care about what the players want.  
  This guy needs a new ban. Botters should be permabanned anyway and he is getting annoying.
  On the topic of the goons EvE is a sandbox. As long as they don't break the rules they can do what they want. I personally don't care what they do. Suicide ganking existed before the goons started supporting it and will continue after they stop supporting it. Its a part of the game, just deal with it and move on. | 
      
      
      
          
          Alavaria Fera 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 05:58:00 -
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          Doctor Benway Kado wrote:You know, I feel like if I suggested these things, I would get shouted down for trying to destroy hisec/welcome to GOONS online/BLOBBER BLOBBER BLOBBER. Doesn't meant they're good ideas though.   You basically can't say anything without that response.
  Nerf tech helps goons, don't nerf tech helps goons. Nerf supercaps helps goons, don't nerf supercaps helps goons. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd | 
      
      
      
          
          Marlona Sky 
          Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 06:01:00 -
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          I can't believe this good alt thread is still going. Bravo sir!
 Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!  | 
      
      
      
          
          Pesky LaRue 
          Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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          Marlona Sky wrote:I can't believe this good alt thread is still going. Bravo sir!   I just thought the same thing - kerazy! | 
      
      
      
          
          Commit Sudoku 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 07:10:00 -
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          bot moon mining
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          Commit Sudoku 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 07:10:00 -
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          I mean the guys who fuel the POS etc barely qualify as 'human' but that's cold man. | 
      
      
      
          
          Betrinna Cantis 
          Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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          This game allows married men(or basement nerds) do what they are afraid of doing in RL because of consequences. "It's not real" is not an excuse, because you are still dealing with real people. You certainly wouldn't kill, wouldn't gang up or steal for "lulz" in RL, why do it in the game ? Given the state of this game/forum i'll think of everyone as a cutthroat mug who is after personal satisfaction.
  Because you can!  | 
      
      
      
          
          Lord Zim 
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 07:30:00 -
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          Yes, because killing ingame pixels is literally like killing a real person.
  Get out. | 
      
      
      
          
          Disregard That 
          Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 07:32:00 -
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          Betrinna Cantis wrote:This game allows married men(or basement nerds) do what they are afraid of doing in RL because of consequences. "It's not real" is not an excuse, because you are still dealing with real people. You certainly wouldn't kill, wouldn't gang up or steal for "lulz" in RL, why do it in the game ? Given the state of this game/forum i'll think of everyone as a cutthroat mug who is after personal satisfaction. 
 Because you can!    I just want to tell you that I'm never ever playing a Draw Four card in a game of Uno again.
  Jesus! I didn't realize there were such sensitive feelings at stake as this. I can't imagine how my Scrabble opponents have all felt all this time.
  Games may no longer be for me.
  You've shown me the light. | 
      
      
      
          
          Alavaria Fera 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 07:46:00 -
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          Disregard That wrote:Betrinna Cantis wrote:This game allows married men(or basement nerds) do what they are afraid of doing in RL because of consequences. "It's not real" is not an excuse, because you are still dealing with real people. You certainly wouldn't kill, wouldn't gang up or steal for "lulz" in RL, why do it in the game ? Given the state of this game/forum i'll think of everyone as a cutthroat mug who is after personal satisfaction. 
 Because you can!   I just want to tell you that I'm never ever playing a Draw Four card in a game of Uno again. Jesus! I didn't realize there were such sensitive feelings at stake as this. I can't imagine how my Scrabble opponents have all felt all this time. Games may no longer be for me. You've shown me the light.   Luv2Satisfy ... urself
  Rite? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd | 
      
      
      
          
          Disregard That 
          Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 07:49:00 -
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          Alavaria Fera wrote:Disregard That wrote:Betrinna Cantis wrote:This game allows married men(or basement nerds) do what they are afraid of doing in RL because of consequences. "It's not real" is not an excuse, because you are still dealing with real people. You certainly wouldn't kill, wouldn't gang up or steal for "lulz" in RL, why do it in the game ? Given the state of this game/forum i'll think of everyone as a cutthroat mug who is after personal satisfaction. 
 Because you can!   I just want to tell you that I'm never ever playing a Draw Four card in a game of Uno again. Jesus! I didn't realize there were such sensitive feelings at stake as this. I can't imagine how my Scrabble opponents have all felt all this time. Games may no longer be for me. You've shown me the light.  Luv2Satisfy ... urself Rite?   On second thought I'm going to keep playing Draw Fours, and when I play Scrabble I'm going to keep playing as many two-letter words as possible to block off as many of my opponents' plays as possible.
  I will continue to game and use my knowledge and abilities to win. Even if it sometimes makes people cry.
  They can learn a lesson in humility and sportsmanship from it or some ****. | 
      
      
      
          
          Mortimer Civeri 
          Aliastra Gallente Federation
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          I'll just leave this here. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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          Alice Saki 
          Analog Folk SRS.
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 07:52:00 -
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          Or Grow some Balls http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null | 
      
      
      
          
          Lord Zim 
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          Tobiaz wrote:Nerf excessive projection of power by a increasing the fuel-cost of capitals   Yes, I hear making something dependent on isk is a great balancing mechanic which works well.
  How many times do you people have to be told that the only real limiting factor in EVE right now is time, so if you absolutely want to make force projection harder to do, then you need to make the act of moving f.ex capitals/supercapitals take more time than they do now.
 
 strikethree wrote:Subscriber numbers may be growing but the number of active players online at any given time has been declining a lot. There are not even half as many players online at any given as there were a year and half ago. Seriously, the number of active players on the server now is about what is was when I started playing 6 years ago.   Wait, there were 80-85k users online at some points 18 months ago? Funny, that's not what I seem to remember. | 
      
      
      
          
          TheBreadMuncher 
          Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
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          Juess wrote: Your proof? I've been to VFK, I didn't see that. Where is it happening, then?   
  Same. The sheer number of male prostitutes scared me. Mind you, I wasn't there for long. HIctors have a thing about pods. I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. | 
      
      
      
          
          Reverend Cletis 
          Synister Mynisters
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          I'd almost try to join GS just to have a position to laugh at the OP.
  I wonder, do the Jita recruiters honor coupons? | 
      
      
      
          
          Darek Castigatus 
          Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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          Lord Zim wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Nerf excessive projection of power by a increasing the fuel-cost of capitals  Yes, I hear making something dependent on isk is a great balancing mechanic which works well. How many times do you people have to be told that the only real limiting factor in EVE right now is time, so if you absolutely want to make force projection harder to do, then you need to make the act of moving f.ex capitals/supercapitals take more time than they do now. strikethree wrote:Subscriber numbers may be growing but the number of active players online at any given time has been declining a lot. There are not even half as many players online at any given as there were a year and half ago. Seriously, the number of active players on the server now is about what is was when I started playing 6 years ago.  Wait, there were 80-85k users online at some points 18 months ago? Funny, that's not what I seem to remember.  
  Thats because hes talking ****, again. 
  On a more positive note i have to agree with Lord Zim, cost is not enough of a balancing factor when you have in game alliances with passive ISK incomes in the tens or hundreds of billions per month. Things like cyno spoolups, jump drive cooldown timers and other timesinks are the only real way to balance things like that without having to gut and rebuild a huge portion of the game in the process. | 
      
      
      
          
          Alexandra Delarge 
          The Korova
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          Betrinna Cantis wrote:This game allows married men(or basement nerds) do what they are afraid of doing in RL because of consequences. "It's not real" is not an excuse, because you are still dealing with real people. You certainly wouldn't kill, wouldn't gang up or steal for "lulz" in RL, why do it in the game ? Given the state of this game/forum i'll think of everyone as a cutthroat mug who is after personal satisfaction.  
  Digital Avatars made of pixels which exist on a super computer in London are not real people. 
  In the same way that a car is controlled by a person but that does not mean a Mercedes is a human being. | 
      
      
      
          
          Musashi IV 
          Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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          CCP does not care. | 
      
      
      
          
          oldbutfeelingyoung 
          VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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        Posted - 2012.06.08 17:55:00 -
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          ah another we hate what you do in EvE thread pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones  | 
      
      
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