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          Vaerah Vahrokha 
          Vahrokh Consulting
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          CynoNet Two wrote: That's all, feel free to return to your regularly scheduled mouthbreathing.
  
  It's sad, you don't see what you are doing to this game. You are killing the bably to cleanse the wash water. Held in a Technetium basin.
  Nobody asked to be saved by you. You are the Unified User Experience and like the Unified User Interface you did not even check the final outcome on SiSi.
 
 
 
 Tallian Saotome wrote: Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.
  So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.
  
  Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local.
  Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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          Tallian Saotome 
          Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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          Alavaria Fera wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.
  So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.  Seems the bots are better at EVE than some of the players. No wonder we apparently have "bot fleets".   I heard something about a PVP bot a year or 2 back, too.
  Kinda wonder what happened to that, its not like it would be that hard to replace 75% of the pilots in a fleet with bots. You could even make the spam **** in local so you can sell them to TEST. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. | 
      
      
      
          
          baltec1 
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          Tallian Saotome wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.
  So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.  Seems the bots are better at EVE than some of the players. No wonder we apparently have "bot fleets".  I heard something about a PVP bot a year or 2 back, too. Kinda wonder what happened to that, its not like it would be that hard to replace 75% of the pilots in a fleet with bots. You could even make the spam **** in local so you can sell them to TEST.  
  What makes you think TEST are people? | 
      
      
      
          
          Vaerah Vahrokha 
          Vahrokh Consulting
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:29:00 -
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          Tallian Saotome wrote:Spikeflach wrote:Man, these people talking about how empty 0.0 is, you would think they would find ways to bring the peoples living in hi sec out there to fill the void.
  But alas, just kill the miners in hi sec and tell them they don't know eve.  Thats because there is nothing to get people out to nullsec worth the amount of effort it takes to successfully live out here. Those of us who are here do it for pride of our name on the map, or sheer bloody-mindedness.  
  The sad thing is that the sandbox, the game, the content is player created.
  0.0 is the apex of the player created content.
  If there's nobody finding it worth going there, despite the obvious riches and features (i.e. best roids, ability to create supercaps etc) then it's because the players are creating not enticing content. It's not all about the ISK. I would myself prefer going to stay in low sec before returning in 0.0. Huge box of empty. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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          Tallian Saotome 
          Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:29:00 -
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          Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:CynoNet Two wrote: That's all, feel free to return to your regularly scheduled mouthbreathing.
  It's sad, you don't see what you are doing to this game. You are killing the bably to cleanse the wash water. Held in a Technetium basin. Nobody asked to be saved by you. You are the Unified User Experience and like the Unified User Interface you did not even check the final outcome on SiSi. Tallian Saotome wrote: Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.
  So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.
  Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local. Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time?   Overview, perhaps? You can see someone warping in at least 2 seconds before they can start locking you. Thats MORE than enough time to warp a pre-aligned ship, and there is no reason NOT to be pre-aligned. Either while ratting or mining.
  Do it that way and you have your align time of vulnerability ever half hour or so.
  And cloaks won't help, since they kill your lock time, making it that much easier for your prey to warp out.
  Oh, and how do you FIND the bot without local? Its one thing to police a WH, its another to police 1000+ nullsec systems. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. | 
      
      
      
          
          Tallian Saotome 
          Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:32:00 -
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          Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Spikeflach wrote:Man, these people talking about how empty 0.0 is, you would think they would find ways to bring the peoples living in hi sec out there to fill the void.
  But alas, just kill the miners in hi sec and tell them they don't know eve.  Thats because there is nothing to get people out to nullsec worth the amount of effort it takes to successfully live out here. Those of us who are here do it for pride of our name on the map, or sheer bloody-mindedness.  The sad thing is that the sandbox, the game, the content is player created. 0.0 is the apex of the player created content. If there's nobody finding it worth going there, despite the obvious riches and features (i.e. best roids, ability to create supercaps etc) then it's because the players are creating not enticing content. It's not all about the ISK. I would myself prefer going to stay in low sec before returning in 0.0. Huge box of empty.   This is a world of minmaxers, most just don't see the effort worth it to put your name on a pixel planet.
  A few of us do see it as worth it for the sake of pride, but most do not. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. | 
      
      
      
          
          Lord Zim 
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:34:00 -
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          Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local.
  Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time?   I hear rumors of humans being bad at running dscan constantly, whereas bots are awesome at this. Is there anything to this allegation? | 
      
      
      
          
          Vaerah Vahrokha 
          Vahrokh Consulting
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:36:00 -
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          Tallian Saotome wrote:
  A few of us do see it as worth it for the sake of pride, but most do not.
  
  You are the hope of New Eden. Honest old school fighters for what they believe in. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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          Tallian Saotome 
          Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:39:00 -
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          Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:
  A few of us do see it as worth it for the sake of pride, but most do not.
  You are the hope of New Eden. Honest old school figthers for what they believe in.   TBH, I see myself as a carebear, other than being in love with capfleets. But I fight for the space I do my carebearing in, and that is just something every single EVE player needs to be prepared to do. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. | 
      
      
      
          
          Vaerah Vahrokha 
          Vahrokh Consulting
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:39:00 -
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          Lord Zim wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local.
  Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time?  I hear rumors of humans being bad at running dscan constantly, whereas bots are awesome at this. Is there anything to this allegation?  
  Running dscan constantly is one of the ways CCP Sreegs can catch bots with. Let them spam predictable patterns. Then they will smarten up and randomize + slow down scans and then appropriate PvPers will take them in the buttocks. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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          Lord Zim 
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:44:00 -
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          Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Running dscan constantly is one of the ways CCP Sreegs can catch bots with. Let them spam predictable patterns. Then they will smarten up and randomize + slow down scans and then appropriate PvPers will take them in the buttocks.   Actually, what you meant to say is, "Doing anything carebear-related in nullsec will be an indication it's a bot if local disappears". | 
      
      
      
          
          Tallian Saotome 
          Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:48:00 -
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          Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Running dscan constantly is one of the ways CCP Sreegs can catch bots with. Let them spam predictable patterns. Then they will smarten up and randomize + slow down scans and then appropriate PvPers will take them in the buttocks.   Most humanlike action in that situation would actually be to hit the button to often, but still in a random pattern.
  Bots can time this to get the most out of it. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. | 
      
      
      
          
          Haulie Berry 
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 19:55:00 -
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          Tallian Saotome wrote: Overview, perhaps? You can see someone warping in at least 2 seconds before they can start locking you. Thats MORE than enough time to warp a pre-aligned ship, and there is no reason NOT to be pre-aligned. Either while ratting or mining.
  Do it that way and you have your align time of vulnerability ever half hour or so.
  And cloaks won't help, since they kill your lock time, making it that much easier for your prey to warp out.
  Oh, and how do you FIND the bot without local? Its one thing to police a WH, its another to police 1000+ nullsec systems.
  
  Hi, let me introduce you to a friend of mine. | 
      
      
      
          
          Marlona Sky 
          Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
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          Snow Axe wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:I am not really talking specifically about a player relaying intel, but more about the vast amount of intel they are able to relay with extremely little effort in gaining said intel.  What "vast" intel are we talking about here?  
  The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.
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          Lord Zim 
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          Marlona Sky wrote:The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.   What's the problem? | 
      
      
      
          
          Marlona Sky 
          Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 20:09:00 -
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          Lord Zim wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.  What's the problem?  
  It rewards the lazy.
 Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!  | 
      
      
      
          
          Snow Axe 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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          Marlona Sky wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:I am not really talking specifically about a player relaying intel, but more about the vast amount of intel they are able to relay with extremely little effort in gaining said intel.  What "vast" intel are we talking about here?  The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.  
  That's not vast intelligence. Vast intelligence would be having the slightest clue what we plan on doing, what that fleet is around for, is it on its way back or on its way out, who are we going to fight, how are we gettting there, etc etc. THAT'S the intel that matters. Everything you mentioned is largely superficial, and a lot of times static (staging systems, etc).
 
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          Lord Zim 
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          Marlona Sky wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.  What's the problem?  It rewards the lazy.   Really? How? | 
      
      
      
          
          Little Brat 
          Four Gun
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        Posted - 2012.05.31 20:14:00 -
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          x It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. Sun Tzu, 6th Century BC-á | 
      
      
      
          
          Twulf 
          The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
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          Trendon Evenstar wrote:SOE killed SWG, not players. Goons are good for Eve.  
  SOE did not kill SWG, another uninformed idiot. No surprise really.
  Lucas Arts owns all rights to anything Star Wars. They demanded SOE change SWG to make it more popular and get WOW like numbers. Those are the facts. Blame who ever you want but stop lying about who really is to blame.
  Do you have to try this hard to be this stupid or does it come naturally? | 
      
      
      
          
          Welsige 
          Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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          Degren wrote:Drax Dremal wrote:They have enouph protection to be emune from Hulkageddon  Drax Dremal wrote:enouph protection to be emune    
 
  Aye.
  Not sure what emune is, but sounds cool. Can it be eaten? ~ 10.058 ~
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          Welsige 
          Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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          Twulf wrote:[quote=Trendon Evenstar] Locus Arts  
 
  lol
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          Twulf 
          The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
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          Welsige wrote:Twulf wrote:[quote=Trendon Evenstar] Locus Arts  lol  
  Blame public schools. | 
      
      
      
          
          Weaselior 
          GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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          Scott Ryder wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Tippia wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:EVE, no rule against greifing.  Incorrect. Griefing is not allowed in EVE per EULA -º7g.  True. In 2 years I reported idiots 3 times only for Griefing.  I apparently do not have any idea what Griefing means though. Not a clue. I'll just leave it at that.  However, when isk is the goal it is not griefing, it's regular gameplay and nothing else.  People dont seem to understand that the only reason goonswarm is doing this is that they profit massivly on tech sales when hulks are on demand.   
  The profits are a welcome side effect. | 
      
      
      
          
          Tanaka Sekigahara 
          United Space Marine Corp
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          Kiteo Hatto wrote:Quote:I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.  Its a sandbox where only bullies are allowed to play, everyone else gets told to "adapt" to their way. The irony of it being "the sandbox" game. You can only build your sandcastles by being a bigger bully it seems. Joined this game when the community was mature and helpful, its a different game apart from core story now.  It would seem someone has mistaken "King of the hill" for "the sandbox".
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          Sejania Tor 
          Unity Systems Engineering The Dog Pound
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          Trendon Evenstar wrote:SOE killed SWG, not players. Goons are good for Eve.  
 
  I have to disagree on killing it. They didn't just kill it, they mutilated it and toyed with it like the Saw movies. As for Goons being  good for EvE. I couldn't agree more. Quite a few of you complain and scream Goons are killing EvE, Mittens is ebil....blah blah. He hammered home some really good fixes as the Chairman. Is it true that Goons are the major running block of power right now. Yeah, I can agree on that. But this is EvE, someone is always going to be the big dogs. | 
      
      
      
          
          Musashi IV 
          Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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          CCP does not care. | 
      
      
      
          
          Spikeflach 
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          Companies care for all their customers equally.
  But if you never worked in a customer oriented business you wouldn't know that. | 
      
      
      
          
          Musashi IV 
          Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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          CCP just does not care about carebears!! | 
      
      
      
          
          ChYph3r 
          Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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          Drax Dremal wrote:Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining. They have enouph protection to be emmune from Hulkageddon so they decided to get rid of the high sec competition. CCP you need to take a hard stance against Goonswarm to save EVE and your jobs. I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand. 
  Goonswarm what are you going to to do when only pirates are playing and the player base is so low EVE dies a slow death like Star Wars. The only reason you are so big is because of high sec and the carebears. Carebears give you and other pirates something to fight against. When carebears are gone who are you going to fight then? I think your going to be playing with yourself!! 
 
  Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die. Another game designer is going see that EVE is weak and create another similar game. When it does carebears and your pirate members are going to leave EVE in droves. When it does CCP and Goonswarm are going to be crying!
 
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