Yesterday one of my orcas got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good. CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit. Im not going to plead proverty. I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for serveral more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.

Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec.

I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years.

CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

That's a contradiction to:



If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine. (Unless you are a botter ofc.)

Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good. CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit. Im not going to plead proverty. I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.

That's a contradiction to:



If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine. (Unless you are a botter ofc.)

Can you link the kill mail please cause if it took 7 ships to take you down that was a complete fail on their part.
And secondly if there are that many -8 players running around in ships together, that would make them interesting targets.
All I need is there names.

It may well have been the case that it didn't "need" 7 ships, but that they are just travelling in a pack to ensure that they can take out ANY target.

Please see my signature, it describes you. Also, you need to learn the meaning of the word contradiction. And as for miners not having hundreds of billions of ISK, perhaps you should talk to Chribba.

The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention..

....

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.

Why do people always say this? If anyone has ever operated a real business themselves they would know it is more complicated than that.

Yes mass un-subbing gets their attention, this is a given because they are losing their money. But remember, real life isn't a game and there are real risks involved. Loss of funding causes real people to lose there jobs to try a cover the loss, with less staff... less things get done. As a result people make it hard for the business to achieve what you want. As I saw in another topic, CCP are looking at hiring more staff to respond to the ever increasing petitions to get a handle on things... they can't do this if they can't afford to pay them, and so petitions continue to pile up.

A mass exit of players and funding with it will cause CCP to even question whether they should even continue development of EvE (or dare I say it, sell the game out). CCP is a business, if EvE is no longer profitable they would be stupid to keep it running.

I'm not blaming you for all this of course :) but it seems to be the general thought line that I've seen throughout the forum 'unsub to get what I want'.

I'm also not saying no-one is allow to unsub for CCP's sake, I'm just making the point that less money has potential to do the opposite of player intentions on the overall scale.

What is evident is that CCP does love their game, EvE has a small player base compared to other MMO's. Other devs have shutdown their MMO's when they've had larger player bases then EvE does.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

(tick tick tick tick) 2 accounts with 15 days left. 2 already dead. Done and done.

But remember, real life isn't a game and there are real risks involved. Loss of funding causes real people to lose there jobs to try a cover the loss, with less staff... less things get done. As a result people make it hard for the business to achieve what you want. As I saw in another topic, CCP are looking at hiring more staff to respond to the ever increasing petitions to get a handle on things... they can't do this if they can't afford to pay them, and so petitions would continue to pile up if they couldn't afford more staff.

Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good.

have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

(tick tick tick tick) 2 accounts with 15 days left. 2 already dead. Done and done.

You really seem to like repeating that don't you? Are you related to NickYo?

If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine.

Ah, yet another pretend quitter... or troll ofc.

CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics.

Are you implying that they're using some form of exploit? Some elaboration is required.

Remove all asteroids from high-sec, problem solved

Everything in the game that could be percieved as a negative by any player at any time is the fault of Goonswarm and the influence we obviously must have on CCP (did you hear 2 former members work for CCP now???????????????????????). Our influence is so strong that we managed to convince some Icelandic fellows to create a non-consentual PVP game 9 years ago. Just to make sure we didn't get found out, we waited 3 years to even truly ~reveal ourselves~ in game, but unfortunately, the intrepid AFK mining Hulk crowd has found us out.

I would like to see alliance size limited, more alliances would form then and battle it out.

You should clean your keyboard more often, that ? key seems stuck. But yes, everything is subjective as seems your point but it does seem the balance that existed is gone. Large alliances seem to exert their will on the entire population but the goons will fade into memory at some point as every other bully alliance has. I would like to see alliance size limited, more alliances would form then and battle it out.

Great idea, instead of fighting Goonswarm Federation, you could be fighting Goonswarm1, Goonswarm2, and Goonswarm3!

Fun fact: The corporation GoonWaffe was originally created when population sizes on corporations was far smaller, and the original GoonFleet was full to capacity. Funny how that didn't change anything at all, did it?

I think you are mistaken about alliance. If goonswarm for example were forced to split it would find its loyalties diverge. Its just human nature as demonstrated many times in experiments (blue vs red arm band exp. comes to mind). When the corp you mentioned was full it still was able to make an alliance corp, so its not the same.

Ahh I get it, we'd stop working together ~just because~.

Ahh I get it, we'd stop working together ~just because~.

Enjoy your break, its good sometimes. Hopefully CCP restores balance soon (tm)

Tal

I believe so, if it were a complete break, its human nature.

But it's not a complete break, not a real one, anyway. It'd be like saying because one fleet is full it'd never be able to fully co-operate with the second one that formed immediately afterwards because it's ~different~. The only thing that'd truly be different is the ticker name.

There are many examples of what happens when a group breaks, either voluntarily or forced, which reinforce my premis. Its just basic sociology.

And yet I literally told you what happened when our group "broke" in the past when mechanics forced it to happen: nothing, aside from nuisances with things like corp hangars etc. This time will be different though, I'm sure!

All I found was this

A corp being forced to split while still being in the same alliance is not the same. We disagree, time for both of us to move onto something else.

A corp being forced to split while still being in the same alliance is not the same. We disagree, time for both of us to move onto something else.

Please see my signature, it describes you. Also, you need to learn the meaning of the word contradiction. And as for miners not having hundreds of billions of ISK, perhaps you should talk to Chribba.

Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good. CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit. Im not going to plead proverty. I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.

I have only one question.....HOW?!?!!!?!

[Seriously, how....how did he get concorded without any weapons?

if ccp is smart they should have a customer portfolio with the make up, amount and general player profiles. it should tell them that the long term players (the ones that drives the sandbox (o.o dwellers)) are 0.0 players and that high sec character amounts are mosty alts of 0.0 players.... in short: high sec players pnly play a fraction of the time 0.0 players are playing.... 0.0 players make this game... why should ccp continue to listen to these players that quit anyway in a few months? expecialy afyrr the big player decrease when there was a cataclism of canceled subscriptiond due this 5months ago?

quit whining, go do social like eve is desighned and join a 0.0 mining corp or whine that ccp isnt promoting eve more as a social game where it actualy is a social unwritten rule that players should join a player driven corp...


just a quick brainfart

That's a contradiction to:



If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine. (Unless you are a botter ofc.)

GǪit should tell them that the long term players (the ones that drives the sandbox (o.o dwellers)) are 0.0 players and that high sec character amounts are mosty alts of 0.0 players....

quit whining, go do social like eve is desighned and join a 0.0 mining corp or whine that ccp isnt promoting eve more as a social game where it actualy is a social unwritten rule that players should join a player driven corp...

There are an awful lot more people messing about in low sec and wormholes than null sec.

Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good. CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit. Im not going to plead proverty. I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.

That's unfortunate.

However, don't be so quick to get rid of your stuff. Take a month off. A break can put things into perspective. You may find your enthusiasm for the game returns.

if ccp is smart they should have a customer portfolio with the make up, amount and general player profiles. it should tell them that the long term players (the ones that drives the sandbox (o.o dwellers)) are 0.0 players and that high sec character amounts are mosty alts of 0.0 players.... in short: high sec players pnly play a fraction of the time 0.0 players are playing.... 0.0 players make this game... why should ccp continue to listen to these players that quit anyway in a few months? expecialy afyrr the big player decrease when there was a cataclism of canceled subscriptiond due this 5months ago?

quit whining, go do social like eve is desighned and join a 0.0 mining corp or whine that ccp isnt promoting eve more as a social game where it actualy is a social unwritten rule that players should join a player driven corp...


just a quick brainfart

Low sec and WH combined make up only 13% of the pop. Null is 20%.

http://scaurus.com/lowsec-by-the-numbers/

No thanks for your random Fantasy Facts.

Even given your own numbers there, and assuming each 0.0 account had a corresponding high sec account, that means all 0.0 + their alts only egual 40% of the game.

The rest of us 60% would like you guys to stop shoving policy down ccp's throat simply because your the most vocal on the forums.

And now equally theoretical numbers fantasized out of a hat. Congra-bu-lations.

And CCP put themselves in the position to have the mittani 'dictate' (boy is that apt) Policy.

I fantasized nothing, YOU are the one who said there are 20% of accounts in 0.0 and YOU are the one who said every account in 0.0 has a high sec alt. I was using YOUR numbers to come up with 40% of players are from people who play in 0.0

And that, is being quite generous to YOUR fantasy.

WOW. Just wow. Those are not 'my' numbers. I did not write that article. I did not pull the data.

Any fool can see that.

You are just full of crap this morning.

GTFO of the Forums please before the really mean poasters arrive and really get you going and you make more of a silly-person out of yourself.

Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit.

If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine. (Unless you are a botter ofc.)

There are an awful lot more people messing about in low sec and wormholes than null sec.
EVE is not designed around players joining null sec mining corporations.

They are your numbers because you came onto these forums like a self proclaimed prophet using them to discredit someone and spewing them from your keyboard like you doublechecked them yourself in your MIT lab.

Next time stfu or own up to the filth you spewed on these forums.

Even given your own numbers there, and assuming each 0.0 account had a corresponding high sec account, that means all 0.0 + their alts only egual 40% of the game.

The rest of us 60% would like you guys to stop shoving policy down ccp's throat simply because your the most vocal on the forums.

Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good. CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit. Im not going to plead proverty. I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.

I think the EvE online statistic graph speaks for its self.
You sir are just in denial.

Are you talking about the graph that shows average online players rising constantly since Incarna?

There is actually quite a downturn since 4/25. Obvious is Obvious. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

This is very true. The average player per day has dropped from 33k in march to just over 23k last week.

Thats a huge drop and something CCP needs to be paying attention to.

yesterday (a Friday) was the LOWEST Friday server population since I started playing in Jan 2010.

Numbers are about at pre-Dominion.

It's sad.

This is very true. The average player per day has dropped from 33k in march to just over 23k last week.

Thats a huge drop and something CCP needs to be paying attention to.

Where exactly did you get 23k from? Because looking at the graphs I see an average of 38k every single weekend. The only time it drops down to 23k is around 4am GMT during the week, which is hardly a surprise. As for the drop of around 5k players in the last month or so, that is something that happens about the same time every year.

Yesterday one of my hulks got killed by 7 ships in in hi sec. All of these players had a security rating of -8 or worse. Im very cautious when I mine but you cant hide a Hulk very easily. Normally the high-sec game mechanics work pretty good. CCP has allowed Goonswarm to circumvent these game mechanics. Yes I know this is a sandbox but if someone is circumventing the game mechanics, its an exploit. Im not going to plead proverty. I have enouph ISK to play my three accounts for several more years. Why should I if game mechanics allow 7 players with a security rating less than -8 to play in high-sec with emmunity. When CCP has returned hi-sec to more reasonable game play I will return.

I think all high-sec players should think about taking a vacation from EVE. The only thing CCP cares about is monitary loss. This is the only way high-sec players can get thier attention.

Pirates that want my stuff can meet me in Jita at 1930 hours on Saturday.

You cant look at recent graphs as they have raw data. The bottom graph of all time history does a running daily average. If you look on the far left part of the graph you see a VERY noticeable downturn in the last 3 weeks. Hover your mouse over and you will see daily averages in the 23k to 26k range for the last half of May.

Total online at any given data point is not relevant, total average for a given day is. And any time you have a Sunday with an average below 30k you can without reasonable doubt say that the player base simply is not logging in.

Now look at the averages over the last few weeks in the graphs near the top of the page, specifically the dates running from the 14th to 31st of May, and note the TIMES when the users numbers dropped to those levels. The major drop off starts at around midnight GMT, which for most of Europe is around 1-3am, hardly a surprise you get a drop off at that time of the morning, and it then continues right through until downtime, also hardly a surprise.

If you are going to quote figures, at least bother to check the context of those figures.

Dude, averages are averages... doesnt matter if 150k players log in for 15 minutes at one time if there are 0 players logged in the rest of the day.

Those top graphs are not averages, they are raw figures taken at specific points in the day, and even the peaks are lower than they were.

Learn to read graphs 5th grade style then come back here and use big boy forum pvp.

That's a contradiction to:



If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine. (Unless you are a botter ofc.)

(tick tick tick tick) 2 accounts with 15 days left. 2 already dead. Done and done.

Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced."

To King Aires,

I should like to make it clear that I do not deny that there has been a drop in the average number of people logging in, all that I disagree on is the exact cause of that drop. Most people discussing this subject seem only to focus on possible in game reasons, and seem utterly unwilling or incapable of even entertaining the prospect that outside influences are also at work here.

I should like to make it clear that I do not deny that there has been a drop in the average number of people logging in, all that I disagree on is the exact cause of that drop. Most people discussing this subject seem only to focus on possible in game reasons, and seem utterly unwilling or incapable of even entertaining the prospect that outside influences are also at work here.

Or other in game reasons besides the particular one that has their panties in a bunch...or a combination of ingame and out of game reasons...or a statistical aberration...

As I've said before, Incarna is proof that ingame changes can drastically affect concurrent pcu and subs, but let's save the chicken-little song and dance for when that is clearly happening. Then we can discuss possible causes and offer corresponding solutions.

"Eve is dying because somebody blew up my hulk" arguments are just stupid.

Unless you enjoy mining ofc.

While I don't agree with the wording of it, I am a firm believer in voting with your wallet. Even if it does nothing, at the end of the day, you're not paying for a product you aren't happy with. Now if it turns out the player subs drop like a rock, then its up to you to find like-minded players to fill the gap and keep the game you love alive.

Look at every summer before this one. EvE has an easily noticeable summer slump. An April-May bubble followed by a June-August trough.

We're finally hitting that trough.

Certainly this shows how year after year they can take huge costs for half a year, deliver a free expansion (so no entry barrier) yet lose a metric ton of player just few days later. This new content is compelling!

The summer online pop slump does not indicate lapsed subs.

I agree, Hisec should be returned to its previous state. Take it back to the old days when there was NO CONCORD.

How many use multi-month subs? How many of those won't let subs lapse in the couple of dead months of the year?

If you have 100B in the bank you don't mine. (Unless you are a botter ofc.)

Low sec and WH combined make up only 13% of the pop. Null is 20%.

http://scaurus.com/lowsec-by-the-numbers/

No thanks for your random Fantasy Facts.