Gotta love how the word "pvp" can be manipulated to suit your argument.

You say "pvp" is everything you do in eve(selling/buying, minerals, chatting, etc) when it comes to poll results
At the same time you also say that pvp only counts when blowing up player ships and that others should do the same

Bloody hypocrites, you are like those feminists with double standards.

The only reason bears can't/don't is because bears think the default state of Eve gameplay is "AFK".

Autopiloting takes forever when you're AFK.

Actually, you're either lying or you suck at reading comprehension.

Tweet says: Active CHARACTERS not PLAYERS. Those are 2 very different things.

Also, I believe from Tippia's POV, what he/she/it/?? means by Hi-sec players refers to highsec ONLY players. The proportion of players that reside exclusively in Hi-sec would, by any logic, be lower than the 66% (NOT 75%) quoted.

tl;dr. Stop lying

Thats nitpicking at best, they are still active subscribers regardless.

If the majority of the active subscribers are in high sec, regardless if their "mains" are in null/low then clearly the majority enjoy high sec more.

Oh, and no, it doesn't follow that the majority enjoys highsec more.

There's nothing in the numbers that suggests anything about enjoyment.

But a quick glance at the map any time will show you where the active characters are.

It's not nitpicking. It's a critical distinction: it means they're not counting players or accounts, but something that can distributed completely freely without any connection to where said players actually spend their time.

GǪand that's just it: GǣifGǥ. There is nothing in the numbers to suggest that. Oh, and no, it doesn't follow that the majority enjoys highsec more.

Exactly.

GǪand as always, that's characters, not players. Any analysis that ignores the distinction is equally obtuse.

Now you are twisting my words. "If as in results show" now "If the results show"

"Active characters" is "not counting players or accounts" ? What ?

You are under assumption that those 66% are just "visiting" highsec to buy stuff

Go check the map and see which space has more orange. It will always be highsec regardless of when you check it.

You can try as much as you want Tippia you can't make some admit the difference in between active players and active characters.

It's like saying we have 50K players online when actually over 50% have at least one alt (some up to 20+)

Exactly.

GǪand as always, that's characters, not players. Any analysis that ignores the distinction is equally obtuse.

If a character is anywhere, a player put them there. The location of active characters is a direct reflection of the volition of players.

Characters on active accounts is not the same thing as active characters (I have characters on my active account that haven't been used in months), nor is it the same thing as active accounts (I have three characters on this account), or the same thing as a a player (GǪand who knows how many accounts I have).

The population distribution of characters on active accounts cannot trivially be translated into player distribution because there is no way to know which location is the GÇ£correctGÇ¥ one. I'll use this example again: a player has two accounts. He has filled out every slot on those accounts with characters. Four of the six characters are parked in the four empire trade hubs; one character is parked in a lowsec system to be used as an instant cyno; the last, main, character is in null, because this is a nullsec player.


GǪand will still count characters, not players.

Tbh, the way people refuse to distinguish between characters, accounts, and players feels more like the GÇ£CCP says there are 400k players, so why are there only 40k online, huh, huh, huh?!GÇ¥ level of critical thinking failure you see every now and then.

CCP took data from active characters, character is obviously not classed as "active" if you don't log in as him/her on your account.

You can have all the characters you want, anywhere you want, but they are not active unless they are online in game.

You are saying "Average Pilots in Space in the last 30 Minutes" means "Inactive character on the active account of some player whose other character on the same account is elsewhere" ? Seriously ?

GǪbut it is not a reflection of where the players are or what part of space the players think of as GÇ£homeGÇ¥. You're still not making the distinction between character distribution and player distribution GÇö here, you are rather trying to erase that distinction by claiming that the two are the same.

The players "are" where they put their characters.

f I'm playing three characters at once and all three are in null, I'm in null. If two are in Empire

People see that the ice cream shop has more people, they assume that more people like ice cream and that less people want to buy toys.

Nullsec is the purest part of the EVE sandbox.

No, they're not, for the simple reason that you can place your characters all over the place and still only really play in one location, and the numbers will not reflect this.

Character distribution is character distribution. Player distribution is where the players spend their time playing. The two are separate things. Translating one to the other is indeed quite complex and cannot be done automatically GÇö it requires the player's input to designate what space is GÇ£theirsGÇ¥; it requires complete knowledge about which characters belong to which accounts, and which accounts belong to which players; and it results in a mapping that can turn any character distribution into a vastly different player distribution mapping (again, see the example above, where 66% highsec characters GåÆ 100% nullsec players).

GǪthen you might be in null, or you might be in empire, or you might be in both. The numbers can't tell the difference. All the numbers can show is where there are characters. They do not show what the players are doing with those characters. They do not show which character is the main character. They do not show where the players GǣliveGǥ.

Moreover, the numbers do not tell that it's you who are behind those three characters. All they show is that there are three of them. So even your first case isn't as clear-cut as you want to make it: if there are three characters in null, then it tells us absolutely squat about where the player(s) are or even how many of them there are.

This is a good idea, we'll take it under advisement.

The only thing that's measurable is the will of the players which is reflected in the play of the characters. The characters are where the players want them to be.

Except that the only thing keeping this game from falling on its face is the player generated content aka nullsec. EVE is built around nullsec. Everything, until recently, existed to support nullsec and gently nudge players towards it.