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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7773	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:27:00 - [181] - Quote Malphilos wrote: So an active character doesn't count as playing. A cyno character is active; no-one is really playing it. A market-watch character is active; no-one is really playing it. A fleet booster at a POS is active; no-one is playing that one either. Ye olde AFK cloaker is active; no-one is playing that one. Meanwhile, the player is out in null on a roam; in lowsec camping gates; in w-space sneaking up on unsuspecting gas miners. So no, an active character does not necessarily mean that anyone is playing it and they definitely do not consider themselves GÇ£highsec playersGÇ¥ because all of their playing is done in null, low, or w-space. Quote: Uh, if if I have a character in Null and a character in Empire, I have a character in Null and a character in Empire. GÇªbut that character count tells us nothing of where you are, what you're doing, and where're you're playing the game. Which one is your main is quite important because it decides whether you are a highsec, lowsec, nullsec, or w-space player. If you want to remove those distinctions by saying that you are where your characters are, then congratulations, you've just wiped out pretty much every complaint self-proclaimed highsec players have ever made: highsec players are getting the full attention of CCP; highsec has massive representation on the CSM (including at least the old chairman); Quote: It doesn't matter who's behind the character. If we're counting players, it most certainly does. As luck would have it, counting players is exactly what people are trying to do, using data that does not count players. You've just explained why the claim that GÇ£the majority of players live in highsecGÇ¥ is bunk. Quote: Not that anyone could show that to begin with. Exactly. All we know is where the characters are. This tells us absolutely nothing about the player population because we don't know who those characters belong to and what the players are doing with them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Plaude Pollard Crimson Cartel 38	Posted - 2012.06.08 15:54:00 - [182] - Quote You do realize that there are low-sec corps who're only in low-sec for the sake of better Anomalies, slightly better PI and asteroids, standing-free moons and better mission-rewards, right? Living in low-sec doesn't mean you have to PVP. It's just an advantage to know how to handle PvP.
March rabbit Trojan Trolls Red Alliance 198	Posted - 2012.06.08 16:13:00 - [183] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die. Translation: I indeed affirm and swear I cannot cut it in nullsec. I bet you used to do vanguards. well. you are too close-minded.... Currently to settle in 0.0 you need to beat strong rich and powerful alliances already living in it. That's why you see the same political picture in 0.0 for years. If you reset 0.0 (remove all current alliances and "great pvp-minded people" from 0.0) you will have empty space. Then people from empire will need to spend a lot less effort to settle in 0.0. There will be like in very begin of Eve: you just get your Iteron and go there. Fly 10-20 jumps and noone will even notice you are living there. I guess first months people will not fight anymore: what is the reason to fight if you have huge empty space to settle? Then people will grow up and build alliances. And everything will repeat: wars, blobs, 0.0 boredom.
Tobiaz Spacerats 591	Posted - 2012.06.08 17:18:00 - [184] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Then all is a lie and this game is as linear as any other. Time to abandon all illusions of choice, limited as they were and abandon ship then? Nullsec is the purest part of the EVE sandbox. What did you say? I couldn't hear you over the sound of you thumping your own chest. masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more. We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf. "We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time" --1 nerf later-- "ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again" Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something. A lot of the shiny VG fleets were made up of null-bear alts. Also the most common reasons why people leave null-sec is NOT because it's hard (because it really isn't), but because they are fed up with the drama and the boredom. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1713	Posted - 2012.06.08 17:21:00 - [185] - Quote The goal shouldn't be getting people into low/null. The goal should be getting people to do stuff as a group. Those that are drawn to nullsec for the opportunities will make the effort...if they have a group to work with. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Disregard That Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 87	Posted - 2012.06.08 17:25:00 - [186] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: The goal shouldn't be getting people into low/null. The goal should be getting people to do stuff as a group. Those that are drawn to nullsec for the opportunities will make the effort...if they have a group to work with. Getting spergy soloists to group up would take a huge influx of ISK into high-sec by way of some new content that Eve didn't need and which violently upheaves the overall economy by giving a very narrow band of high-sec players a fantastic amount of money. Make the payouts competitive so only the best performing fleets get payouts and presto! Group activity with the spergs! Oh wait. They did that and it broke Eve. I wonder if they put pictures of women (or men?) in lingerie in the main fleet chat if that might work as an alternative incentive!
oldbutfeelingyoung VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants 581	Posted - 2012.06.08 17:38:00 - [187] - Quote another you have to play it my way thread pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones
Twulf The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact 90	Posted - 2012.06.08 17:41:00 - [188] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: sabre906 wrote: Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect. No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof. Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it. Um yes it would if EVE is a sandbox like you claim, more PVE content would not change that but hey your an idiot that thinks less people is more fun. Sorry, your wrong. More PVE content, equal more subs, equal more targets to blow up, which means more tears.
Radelix Cisko The Adjustment Team 96	Posted - 2012.06.08 17:43:00 - [189] - Quote Posting in a "Everyone should go to Null" thread Confirming that I only want to go to Null to joyride.
Chief Bob Swine Capitalism 1	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:17:00 - [190] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more. We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf. "We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time" --1 nerf later-- "ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again" Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something. OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die. this ^^ I've got no interest in sitting at my computer, playing EVE for 40 hours a week. And, I imagine that the vast majority of players here are the same way. Also, it is a GAME!! "Actually fight for something" really? And, all my real connections are formed in real life. When you start making those kind of statements, its time to take a very long break. If you had a job that you took that seriously, you'd probably be making a great income... just saying. That guy is the reason I'll never have an interest in null-sec... sheesh.

Disregard That Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:20:00 - [191] - Quote Chief Bob wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more. We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf. "We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time" --1 nerf later-- "ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again" Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something. OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die. this ^^ I've got no interest in sitting at my computer, playing EVE for 40 hours a week. And, I imagine that the vast majority of players here are the same way. Also, it is a GAME!! "Actually fight for something" really? And, all my real connections are formed in real life. When you start making those kind of statements, its time to take a very long break. If you had a job that you took that seriously, you'd probably be making a great income... just saying. That guy is the reason I'll never have an interest in null-sec... sheesh. No, this is totally not a game about space combat in the very distant future where players build empires. It's Hello Kitty online and when you play, regardless of the time you put in, you shouldn't be fighting for anything, ever. I hear Hello Kitty online is releasing a Hulk with more EHP and the old Titan DD. Get it while it's hot?
Chief Bob Swine Capitalism 3	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:34:00 - [192] - Quote Disregard That wrote: Chief Bob wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more. We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf. "We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time" --1 nerf later-- "ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again" Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something. OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die. this ^^ I've got no interest in sitting at my computer, playing EVE for 40 hours a week. And, I imagine that the vast majority of players here are the same way. Also, it is a GAME!! "Actually fight for something" really? And, all my real connections are formed in real life. When you start making those kind of statements, its time to take a very long break. If you had a job that you took that seriously, you'd probably be making a great income... just saying. That guy is the reason I'll never have an interest in null-sec... sheesh. No, this is totally not a game about space combat in the very distant future where players build empires. It's Hello Kitty online and when you play, regardless of the time you put in, you shouldn't be fighting for anything, ever. I hear Hello Kitty online is releasing a Hulk with more EHP and the old Titan DD. Get it while it's hot? Dolt. I don't mine. I think non-consensual pvp in high-sec is great and should be encouraged. Don't have a problem PvPing myself on occasion, its just not what I prefer to do in the sandbox. That wasn't a statement about mechanics or PVE vs. PVP. That was a statement about the prevailing attitude of null-sec players. I really could care less about e-peen measurements and the internet tough guy crap. I also have no interest in dedicating my life to EVE, no matter how good the game is. I prefer spend the majority of my time in reality, and my leisure time in EVE. That's why I don't belong in null.
Mira Robinson United Amarr Templar Legion 9	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:40:00 - [193] - Quote Once upon a time (eleven months ago) I thought TOR would put a dent in EVE. That is obviously not the case. Incarna put the biggest dent in subs since pre-2008, and we've been steady since then. But yes, part of EVE's success and niche is that there is no other decent sci-fi sandbox. STO wasn't impactful at all, there's absolutely no sandbox in TOR.
Disregard That Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:44:00 - [194] - Quote Chief Bob wrote: Dolt. I don't mine. I think non-consensual pvp in high-sec is great and should be encouraged. Don't have a problem PvPing myself on occasion, its just not what I prefer to do in the sandbox. That wasn't a statement about mechanics or PVE vs. PVP. That was a statement about the prevailing attitude of null-sec players. I really could care less about e-peen measurements and the internet tough guy crap. I also have no interest in dedicating my life to EVE, no matter how good the game is. I prefer spend the majority of my time in reality, and my leisure time in EVE. That's why I don't belong in null. Dolt, huh? Well, since I'm obviously so foolish it would be silly for me to point out all the casual gamers who successfully play the game in null-sec. You don't belong in null because you decided you don't belong in null. Your "reasoning" is an excuse or a justification, nothing more.
baltec1 1380	Posted - 2012.06.08 18:50:00 - [195] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: sabre906 wrote: Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect. No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof. Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it. Wouldn't be a big loss. SOE and Lucasarts said the same thing about SWG.
Mira Robinson United Amarr Templar Legion 10	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:05:00 - [196] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: sabre906 wrote: Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect. No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof. Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it. Wouldn't be a big loss. SOE and Lucasarts said the same thing about SWG. If EVE dies, it will be a slow death, just like SWG, which went on for 5 years after the NGE. TOR was the final nail in the coffin.
Makkal Hanaya Drakenburg 72	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:07:00 - [197] - Quote Mira Robinson wrote: Once upon a time (eleven months ago) I thought TOR would put a dent in EVE. That is obviously not the case. Incarna put the biggest dent in subs since pre-2008, and we've been steady since then. But yes, part of EVE's success and niche is that there is no other decent sci-fi sandbox. STO wasn't impactful at all, there's absolutely no sandbox in TOR. TOR and EVE are both science fiction games, but you couldn't get more competing gameplay philosophies than CPP and BioWare, I imagine. TOR wanted WoW subs, not EVE subs. Heck, you can only fly your space ship in an on-rails mini-game. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
oldbutfeelingyoung VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants 583	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:09:00 - [198] - Quote Mira Robinson wrote: If EVE dies, it will be a slow death, just like SWG, which went on for 5 years after the NGE. TOR was the final nail in the coffin. According to the EvE playerbase ,this game has a lot of final nails pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones
Mira Robinson United Amarr Templar Legion 10	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:16:00 - [199] - Quote Makkal Hanaya wrote: Mira Robinson wrote: Once upon a time (eleven months ago) I thought TOR would put a dent in EVE. That is obviously not the case. Incarna put the biggest dent in subs since pre-2008, and we've been steady since then. But yes, part of EVE's success and niche is that there is no other decent sci-fi sandbox. STO wasn't impactful at all, there's absolutely no sandbox in TOR. TOR and EVE are both science fiction games, but you couldn't get more competing gameplay philosophies than CPP and BioWare, I imagine. TOR wanted WoW subs, not EVE subs. Heck, you can only fly your space ship in an on-rails mini-game. True. Gameplay is dramatically different, but so is STO. I remember, the week before STO released, I got a resub offer email from CCP. I was expecting the same thing before TOR. Can't remember if I got one. I was on hiatus from June of 2011 to June of 2012.
Ditra Vorthran State War Academy Caldari State 81	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:21:00 - [200] - Quote High sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here]. Low sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here]. Null sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here]. If any of you disagree with that then you're all f***ed and should GTFO! You're playing EvE wrong! Seriously people, EvE is what you make it.

Scien Inkunen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 45	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:33:00 - [201] - Quote Greyscale Dash wrote: Apparently the survey results indicate that most people do two very naughty things. 1. play solo 2. are pve only. In fact, only about 1/4 of all players are interested in the pvp aspects of the game. This is unacceptable. We obviously aren't trying hard enough to force them into lo sec. Time to step up the ganking. They resist, but once they lose some hulks and are forced down they'll enjoy the game. Fart. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Romar Agent Ishukone Regional Headquarters 57	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:42:00 - [202] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: ... Fun fact: The real world, where you have a job and taxes, is a pure sandbox. You can do anything, but you must acquire the prerequisite capital (resources), team (friends), and knowledge (science) to do it. ... Aaand, I'm protected by forces paid for by my taxes... Which of course has nothing to do with say, the concept of Highsec and Concord...
Suqq Madiq Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:49:00 - [203] - Quote Tippia wrote: As luck would have it, the majority of players are playing with the PvP sand. Psst, I don't mean to alarm you, but your assumptions are showing.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 97	Posted - 2012.06.08 19:50:00 - [204] - Quote Ginseng Jita wrote: sabre906 wrote: Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect. No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof. I don't think this can be expressed enough.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 97	Posted - 2012.06.08 20:03:00 - [205] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: sabre906 wrote: Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect. No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof. Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it. Why? Because you'd never be able to fly ships in space? Because when you dock you couldn't choose to never leave your ship? Because evolving the game to allow for more then just FiS would mean you can't PvP? Know what happesn when a game doesn't evolve to become more then it's sum? It eventually starts to decline. Evenutally someone else will come along and offer the same basic game, and a bunch of people will go "well, I've played EVE for like a half decade now, I've done pretty much everything the game has to offer, I think it's time to move on." and they will. Not even blizzard is able to make an MMO that is capable of growing forever. Why do you think blizzards next expansion has a bunch of NEW things to do in? Because they understand that if you want to keep moving forward you have to eventually evolve and OFFER MORE then what your playerbase has had to do in the past. MORE doesn't mean more of the same stuff, it means more new stuff. PvP and spaceships can only take EVE so far. CCP does not impress me as a company that wants EVE to level out, but a company that wants to see EVE continue to grow. The more people playing EVE the more money CCP makes. The more money CCP makes the more people they can hire to work on EVE. The more people working at CCP the faster they can develop content. The faster they can develop content the more varied that content can be. The more varied that content the more people that CCP can please. WiS is the best thing CCP could do for EVE, people like the guy I quoted are the worst.
Kerist Lafayette The Lafayette Family 25	Posted - 2012.06.08 20:18:00 - [206] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it. This almost made me cry
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7782	Posted - 2012.06.08 20:23:00 - [207] - Quote Suqq Madiq wrote: Psst, I don't mean to alarm you, but your assumptions are showing. Good thing that it's not an assumption, but a CCP-reported fact. Natsett Amuinn wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof. I don't think this can be expressed enough. Yes, you have to repeat made-up claims for a long while before people begin to forget that they're made up. The survey does not show that CCP is caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base (as a different survey shows, 75% of EVE players enjoy PvP, which is a larger percentage than pretty much every other activity in the game). This survey shows that 25% of players had PvP as a motivation for starting to play EVE. If you want to construe that as working on PvP only pleases 25% of the players, then guess what? Working on PvE would only please fewer than 6% of the players, according to the same survey. That's right: if you choose to misinterpret the survey that badly, then the same logic dictates that we can conclude that working on PvE content is less relevant for EVE than maintaining the Mac client. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2012.06.08 20:31:00 - [208] - Quote Tippia wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: Psst, I don't mean to alarm you, but your assumptions are showing. Good thing that it's not an assumption, but a CCP-reported fact. Natsett Amuinn wrote: Ginseng Jita wrote: No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof. I don't think this can be expressed enough. Yes, you have to repeat made-up claims for a long while before people begin to forget that they're made up. The survey does not show that CCP is caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base (as a different survey shows, 75% of EVE players enjoy PvP, which is a larger percentage than pretty much every other activity in the game). This survey shows that 25% of players had PvP as a motivation for starting to play EVE. If you want to construe that as working on PvP only pleases 25% of the players, then guess what? Working on PvE would only please fewer than 6% of the players, according to the same survey. That's right: if you choose to misinterpret the survey that badly, then the same logic dictates that we can conclude that working on PvE content is less relevant for EVE than maintaining the Mac client. One thing that could be worth considering is the number of people who may have subbed were the PvE content more engaging. The idea that PvE exist solely as a means to fund (in most cases ship to ship) PvP and cannot/should not be considered an activity done for it's own sake is limiting what several players who have little interest in consciously engaging in PvP, not to say that they aren't anyways, can do to achieve any sense of accomplishment in game. If a game is going to tout that it supports a wide variety of activities in a sandbox, development and support should continue to develop all of those features and not just the most used.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1714	Posted - 2012.06.08 20:57:00 - [209] - Quote Ditra Vorthran wrote: High sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here]. Low sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here]. Null sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here]. If any of you disagree with that then you're all f***ed and should GTFO! You're playing EvE wrong! Seriously people, EvE is what you make it. You can take your rational balanced perspective and biomass it! It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Chief Bob Swine Capitalism 3	Posted - 2012.06.08 21:06:00 - [210] - Quote Disregard That wrote: Chief Bob wrote: Dolt. I don't mine. I think non-consensual pvp in high-sec is great and should be encouraged. Don't have a problem PvPing myself on occasion, its just not what I prefer to do in the sandbox. That wasn't a statement about mechanics or PVE vs. PVP. That was a statement about the prevailing attitude of null-sec players. I really could care less about e-peen measurements and the internet tough guy crap. I also have no interest in dedicating my life to EVE, no matter how good the game is. I prefer spend the majority of my time in reality, and my leisure time in EVE. That's why I don't belong in null. Dolt, huh? yes Well, since I'm obviously so foolish it would be silly for me to point out all the casual gamers who successfully play the game in null-sec. you didn't point that out You don't belong in null because you decided you don't belong in null.that's right Your "reasoning" is an excuse or a justification, nothing more.didn't say it wasn't my replies to your comments are in bold above. Basically I find elitist d-bags to be annoying and I choose to associate with them as little as possible. I feel like there are more elitist d-bags in null than in high-sec, so I choose to reside in high-sec to minimize my exposure to elitist d-bags. Maybe I am incorrect in this assumption of the denizens of null, it is based on what I see on the forums.



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