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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Cold Hand of Shadow
107
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Posted - 2012.06.12 18:33:00 -
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So warnings and temp bans are being issued for doing anything with cans or the SOE Epic Arcs now, but as far as I've seen, nothing has been posted. If someone has a link for the updated policies, I'd appreciate it. I wouldn't want to get banned for rules that CCP are making up, enforcing, and not making public.
Can we get an official list of your new classification for "rookie systems" since the GMs are now responding to can baiting in places like Arnon (0.6), Hek (0.5), and other parts of the Epic Arc chain? |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.06.12 18:40:00 -
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How about this... Don't harass the noobs doing the sister's of eve epic, grow a set, and fight people who can and will fight back? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
807
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Posted - 2012.06.12 18:45:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:How about this... Don't harass the noobs doing the sister's of eve epic, grow a set, and fight people who can and will fight back?
Yeah, screw the rules, right?
All you need to play an informed game of Eve is a set! 
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation
Deadly Unknown
317
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Posted - 2012.06.12 18:57:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Yeah, screw the rules, right?
Rules are for the small minds that need them.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
808
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Posted - 2012.06.12 19:22:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Yeah, screw the rules, right? Rules are for the small minds that need them.
Wait. What?
If I don't know what the rules are, how am I supposed to know if I'm breaking them?
Dumbest.
Post.
Ever.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
98
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Posted - 2012.06.12 19:25:00 -
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I'd also like some clarification.
I'm on the last part of the SOE storyline and can't break Dagon's tank.
I figured I'd wait until four days until I got Engineering to V and could fit that last gun, but I might ask in Local for help instead.
although my eyes were open
they might have just as well've been closed
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Grinder2210
Kaotic Intentions
Cold Hand of Shadow
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 19:59:00 -
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
249
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:12:00 -
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What a curious thread.
All parties make somewhat of a good point. The rules that the far off CCP Corporation feel they need to enforce can seem random at times.
However, new capsuleers - although competitors are still the life blood of the economy and can be afforded some protections.
Either way I really have no real care either way I just wanted to say to the OP you are one sexy looking boy!
EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2060
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:27:00 -
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Unless there are other considerations we are unaware of (always possible) then CCP should not be intervening in can baiting outside of rookie systems... at least not without an announcement and rules update.
On the other hand, that's really pretty lame people. Cut the noobs some slack, if for no other reason than to avoid becoming the newest laughing stock of the EVE community.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kiteo Hatto
The Fiction Factory
Blue Nation
197
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:34:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Yeah, screw the rules, right? Rules are for the small minds that need them. Wait. What? If I don't know what the rules are, how am I supposed to know if I'm breaking them? Dumbest. Post. Ever.
Common sense is the word you are looking for.....
Ex: where do newbies go after the starter agents? A: Epic arc |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1535
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:35:00 -
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This thread is ridiculous.
We know nothing about the situation at hand. We don't know how noobish these guys were
and we don't know what exactly happened. We don't even have chatlogs.
We have the suspicion of a questonable mindset regarding people and their playstyle towards noobs.
In before the Lock.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:36:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:This thread is ridiculous.
We know nothing about the situation at hand. We don't know how noobish these guys were
and we don't know what exactly happened. We don't even have chatlogs.
We have the suspicion of a questonable mindset regarding people and their playstyle towards noobs.
In before the Lock.
So you think the worms are can baiting veterans? Not rocket science nor mysticism to figure out their mindset. |
Zedrich Ederech
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:44:00 -
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Not just can baiting - we have either pirates or griefers ninjalooting quest items - as well as getting first aggro on mission rats.
Frustrates new players to no end especially since we all know it's older more experienced and higher SP skilled pilots doing it, and obviously have better ships and mods than newer players, so yeah, bloodbath.
PvP is a fight; griefing on noobs is just, yeah, griefing. They don't play Battleclinic / killboard decoration like some pirate who gets a lame newbie or miner gank killmail every 5-30 minutes or so.
Folks, we were all once new to this game - don't forget that. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1535
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:51:00 -
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Savage Angel wrote:Solstice Project wrote:This thread is ridiculous.
We know nothing about the situation at hand. We don't know how noobish these guys were
and we don't know what exactly happened. We don't even have chatlogs.
We have the suspicion of a questonable mindset regarding people and their playstyle towards noobs.
In before the Lock. So you think the worms are can baiting veterans? Not rocket science nor mysticism to figure out their mindset.
No, all i'm saying that this thread is ridiculous.
They are obviously getting contacted by GMs, so it's all good.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:53:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:If I don't know what the rules are, how am I supposed to know if I'm breaking them?
Bait noobs, achieve enlightenment.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Cold Hand of Shadow
108
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:53:00 -
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When I'm "hunting" epic arc missioners, I will target BC and above ship classes and normally this means the character is 1 month or greater. Quite often it's more than 2-4 months. I am not out killing the 1 week - 2 week old newbs flying vexors and catalysts because there isn't any sport in that kind of "fishing."
But regardless the point of the post isn't for "killing teh noobs! I'm a terrible person!" I just want clarification on current rules that are being enforced that aren't posted anywhere as being rules. Prior to this, Arnon and other epic arc systems have not been considered a rookie system via the "anti rookie" policy. Enforcing policies that aren't made available is just bad taste because then how do we know we're breaking a rule if it was never declared a rule in the first place? |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:53:00 -
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Zedrich Ederech wrote:Not just can baiting - we have either pirates or griefers ninjalooting quest items - as well as getting first aggro on mission rats.
Frustrates new players to no end especially since we all know it's older more experienced and higher SP skilled pilots doing it, and obviously have better ships and mods than newer players, so yeah, bloodbath.
PvP is a fight; griefing on noobs is just, yeah, griefing. They don't play Battleclinic / killboard decoration like some pirate who gets a lame newbie or miner gank killmail every 5-30 minutes or so.
Folks, we were all once new to this game - don't forget that.
Many do though, citing the Sandbox. It's a shame really.
A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
485
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:54:00 -
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Noob can baiting is considered low even among the thieves and murderers.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:54:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:No, all i'm saying that this thread is ridiculous.
Talk to the fine human being that opened it, he has the knowledge you seek.
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Xenuria
Center Haus
Apocalypse Now.
525
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:56:00 -
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I feel that any player that deliberately seeks out newer players or trial users with the intention to cause them grief or harm is a loser. If you can't cut it in null sec or you lack the smarts and skill to pvp then why should somebody who is just getting into the game has to take your abuse?
Seriously!
If you have noob kills on your killboard then you are cancer and should be taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. The same goes for people that have 100+ kills but 99 of them are velator kills.
Will consult for ISK |
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:57:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote: I just want clarification on current rules that are being enforced that aren't posted anywhere as being rules.
They haven't been made clear to you now? If you got a ban or a warning, you know what you're doing is against the rules.
Simple enough I'd think.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
939
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:03:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:If you got a ban or a warning, you know what you're doing is against the rules.
"You broke a rule that we've never actually posted anywhere. Here's a two week ban."
People pay for this game. Any rules concerning the game should actually be posted somewhere rather than GMs arbitrarily extending the definition of "rookie system" to "all of hisec." Obviously, not every single variation of every rule can be explicit, but something as tangential as "you may not can bait anywhere in hisec" is pretty different from "you may not can bait in rookie systems." Of course, I won't believe the OP until there's actually some confirmation that this is going on as this sounds like hearsay.
Sheltering new players only keeps them around until they're ~shocked~ that their officer-fit Tengu was suicide ganked on a gate.
eh |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7893
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:11:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:They haven't been made clear to you now? If you got a ban or a warning, you know what you're doing is against the rules. GǪexcept that he doesn't know what he was doing that was against the rules because the things he was doing are quite explicitly not against the rules.
Can flipping is prohibited in the newbie systems. The SOE epic arc does not take place in the newbie systems.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
812
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:13:00 -
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All I'm saying is that I think it's reasonable for players to ask for a re-hash of the "official" unofficial official not-written-in-stone rules GM's are following du jour.
If we don't have a CCP tag, we cannot know about shifts in policy.
Unless we ask.
This thread should stay up and it deserves legitimate attention.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
60
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:23:00 -
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Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Malphilos wrote:They haven't been made clear to you now? If you got a ban or a warning, you know what you're doing is against the rules. GǪexcept that he doesn't know what he was doing that was against the rules because the things he was doing are quite explicitly not against the rules.
Explicitly not against the rules...
Sorry, but if what he did got him a ban or a warning, it seems you've been ganked by reality. Ignorance is no excuse and whatnot.
But isn't this just the classic EVE situation? You have imperfect knowledge... is that a juicy noob, or are they actually protected by CCPs desire not to have their new customers driven off by a$$hats? Will you pull the trigger?
Can't you just feel the excitement?
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo
WHY so Seri0Us
133
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:31:00 -
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Oh nose!!! I can't grief 4 day old noobs anymore!!!!
More cheese with your whine please....
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
820
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:31:00 -
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I don't see any rule breaking here.
Especially because I just ran the SoE arc a few months back to fix my minnie status, and I've been playing for almost 2 years. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
222
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:35:00 -
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GM's have mentioned in the past that they don't want to create a list of hard set rules in matters such as this as they know that they can't keep up with the people that will figure out the loop holes and then come crying "but I was not breaking the rules, waaaaa"
Bottom line is, do not **** with the newbies. Get a life and go fight someone else that is not a 2 day old Eve noob.
On holiday. -áIn some other world.
Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours.
To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent,
It was a sun-á |
Kiteo Hatto
The Fiction Factory
Blue Nation
199
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:36:00 -
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I like this, CCPs unspoken rules. What were the words again........OH, Adapt and HTFU. |
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