If you cannot tell the difference between a rookie and a veteran playerGǪ

Exactly.

GǪis completely irrelevant because that is not the issue.

GǪis completely irrelevant because that is not the issue.

You have already confirmed that you do not understand the rule being discussed GÇö no need to confirm it even further.

If you cannot tell the difference between a rookie and a veteran player using the very simple method of checking pilot info then you need more than rule clarification, you need glasses and possibly some form of medical intervention.

EDIT: Clarification. The rule regarding rookies is not just to cover rookie systems, but to cover the rookies themselves, hence the lack of any super detailed rules as Homonia made quite clear.

Can flipping / baiting

This refers to the practice of (ab)using the Criminal Flagging System to cause a fight between yourself and an unsuspecting party in high-security space. See main article for more.

Can flipping is officially considered griefing only in Rookie Systems. Some people do it just for fun, without the actual intent to cause the feelings of harassment and frustration in the victim. It is, however, also a typical form of griefing in the classic sense.

I'm lost, what is everyone actually discussing at this point.

The question at hand is whether or not the rookie system rule, in which all can-baiting, ninja-ing, and can-flipping are COMPLETELY off limits - even against veteran players in that system. The OP wanted to know if the epic arc systems are now ruled as rookie systems, in which case all non-war related kills are outlawed. This is not about whether or not killing rookies is ok, but whether or not CCP decided to make a bunch of blatantly non-rookie systems, safe-zones.

Learn to read before you post.

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The rules regarding rookie systems are explicitly clear. Doing anything but killing war targets in rookie systems is considered griefing, regardless of whether or not the target is a rookie. This means if the player is 6 years old and dies to you can flipping in the rookie systems, you have violated the EULA and can be warned/banned. If they expand the list of rookie systems to include the epic arc systems, this ruling also includes all non-rookies in those systems.

So again, pull your head out of your ass before you post.

Dear god another person who does not understand. That is the rule for ROOKIE SYSTEMS. It is not the ONLY rule designed to cover rookies. Seriously, how can people be so thick?

Way to be dense. The rookie system rules prevent any form of flipping, ninja-ing, etc in those systems, NOT just against rookies.

I don't really care for any special privileges or protection granted to new players simply because giving them the illusion that they are immune in hisec will simply come back to bite them when they get suicide ganked while mining in a Hulk or traveling in a shiny T3. I could see why prohibiting can baiting in starter systems is disallowed, but epic arc systems are quite the stretch.

However, your complete inability to understand a very simple concept is causing my brain to overload. How is it you fail to understand that the rules regarding rookies are not just to cover them in the starter systems, but to cover them until they pass that magic 1 month mark?

That is the rule for ROOKIE SYSTEMS.

I'm lost, what is everyone actually discussing at this point.

What you do NOT understand is that the warning/ban the OP was discussing mentioned that the epic arc systems WERE NOW CONSIDERED ROOKIE SYSTEMS. What people want to know is whether or not CCPs definition of rookie systems has been expanded. Have you even read the OP?

Because the rule doesn't just cover newbies. It's a blanket ban on aggression games in a very specific set of systems. Newbies or not is utterly irrelevant, and that's why the rule you keep quoting is irrelevant as well. The question is whether or not that list of systems has been increased.

Yes. That's the whole point. It is now apparently not only being applied to rookie systems. How can you be so dense as to not get it. It has only been explained for five pages. And let's do it again, just for good measure:

It's quite simple.

The rule is: there is a complete ban of can flipping, can baiting, and similar aggression games in a very small set of systems GÇö the starter systems where the tutorial agents are housed and the systems where the career agents are housed. Newbie or not doesn't matter GÇö you're flat out not allowed to do it regardless of who the target is.

The question is: has this list of systems been expanded to include the (high-traffic, very normal) SOE-arc systems, giving them the same blanket restrictions as the old systems?

Not just can baiting - we have either pirates or griefers ninjalooting quest items -....

The question is: has this list of systems been expanded to include the (high-traffic, very normal) SOE-arc systems, giving them the same blanket restrictions as the old systems?

Way to be dense for not reading 90% of this thread, or the part of my quoted post where i mention SOE missions, which do not take place ONLY in rookie systems.

-10/10 for literacy issues.

The answer: No.

The OP did NOT say that he was warned/banned because the systems where the SOE systems are now covered by the rookie system rules

I swear, you must have downs.

The rules explicitly state that activities such as can-baiting and flipping are only considered griefing in rookie systems.

They then explicitly list rookie systems.

Now, warnings are being given stating that can-baiting in SOE epic arc systems is griefing, but there has never been any posts, blogs, nor announcements indicating that these systems have switched to being considered rookie systems.

All the OP wants, is a confirmation whether or not these systems are now actually considered rookie systems. If they are, the GMs need to explicitly list every single system that is considered a rookie system, since you are not allowed to do any non-war related pvp in those systems.

If these systems are not considered rookie systems, then this needs to be clarified, the warning/ban removed, and the GM staff informed of this.

Ok, for you, Tippia and any other people suffering severe literacy problems I shall make it clear.

THIS GUY GOT HIS BAN/WARNING FOR SCREWING WITH ROOKIES.

Incorrect. The answer is: we don't know; could the GMs please clarify.

Now you're getting it.

GǪexcept we don't know that. So you can make your version as clear as you like. It doesn't alter or answer the question.

Some rules are vague on purpose and they will remain vague. This is the 'reckless driving' equivalent. If I define the rules to the last dot someone will simply find a loop hole and use it. The rule is "do not mess with rookies", and if you are in doubt the answer is ALWAYS 'do not do it'.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

Don't cherry pick my posts Tippia

GǪexcept we don't know that. So you can make your version as clear as you like. It doesn't alter or answer the question.

Then don't cherry-pick the rules being asked about and the questions being asked. Also, don't make up your own facts.

You can keep posting that quote. It is as irrelevant as the first time you posted it because it doesn't address the question in the slightest.

Some rules are vague on purpose and they will remain vague. This is the 'reckless driving' equivalent. If I define the rules to the last dot someone will simply find a loop hole and use it. The rule is "do not mess with rookies", and if you are in doubt the answer is ALWAYS 'do not do it'.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

I just want to know whether or not CCP is officialy calling the SOE Epic Arc Systems rookie systems. The warnings/bans I originally spoke of specifically mentioned that they were for griefing in a rookie system, and that the event took place in Arnon. Specifically, the warnings were issued for griefing non-rookies in the epic arc systems, not for killing 2 week-old rookies.

Hunting week old characters is not worth anyone's time, and is not the point of the post. The problem is that the rookie system rule prevents me from killing the several month old dumbass flying a vindicator. CCP needs to clarify if these systems are now protected by the 'rookie-griefing' blanket ruling that prevents all non-war based pvp in those systems.

I just want to know whether or not CCP is officialy calling the SOE Epic Arc Systems rookie systems. The warnings/bans I originally spoke of specifically mentioned that they were for griefing in a rookie system, and that the event took place in Arnon. Specifically, the warnings were issued for griefing non-rookies in the epic arc systems, not for killing 2 week-old rookies.

Hunting week old characters is not worth anyone's time, and is not the point of the post. The problem is that the rookie system rule prevents me from killing the several month old dumbass flying a vindicator. CCP needs to clarify if these systems are now protected by the 'rookie-griefing' blanket ruling that prevents all non-war based pvp in those systems.