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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:02:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Terranid Meester wrote:Gatosai wrote:Terranid Meester wrote:Personally I feel some of the GM's are not up to the job and their discretion is poorly implementated. I also feel that rookies should not be protected and in-game mechanics should be used in place to help rookie pilots understand the basic nature of eve. If a rookie gets killed its not as if they lose much in the first place. What if a new player buys a character with an officer fit tengu. Can they be classed as rookies? What about alts?
I don't kill rookies myself unless Im at war with them or something like that.
Personally I don't think a GM or a senior GM response is good enough in this manner. I would much prefer an official GM response and also some CSM responses. oh yea sure might as well ask your local butcher for his opinion too i suppose? Local butcher might be the mayor or a member of the parish council. I meant to say CCP response. You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP
GM troll is best troll. 
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:02:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:Gatosai wrote:Terranid Meester wrote:Personally I feel some of the GM's are not up to the job and their discretion is poorly implementated. I also feel that rookies should not be protected and in-game mechanics should be used in place to help rookie pilots understand the basic nature of eve. If a rookie gets killed its not as if they lose much in the first place. What if a new player buys a character with an officer fit tengu. Can they be classed as rookies? What about alts?
I don't kill rookies myself unless Im at war with them or something like that.
Personally I don't think a GM or a senior GM response is good enough in this manner. I would much prefer an official GM response and also some CSM responses. oh yea sure might as well ask your local butcher for his opinion too i suppose? Local butcher might be the mayor or a member of the parish council. I meant to say CCP response.
Since The Mittani controls CCP, according to certain threads about Inferno 1.1 in the Test Feedback Forum, shouldn't you be asking for a response from him?
/tinfoil |

DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
298
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:04:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities
1. Create new toon 2. Set course to Hek 3. Probe a mission runner 4. Steal loot 5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you< 6. Collect tears.
I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules. What a..... If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche. I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder.
Fix FW ! |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
464
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:04:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:Since The Mittani controls CCP, according to certain threads about Inferno 1.1 in the Test Feedback Forum, shouldn't you be asking for a response from him?
/tinfoil
0/10 could try harder. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
30
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:05:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:
You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP
Sorry I meant to say a member of CCP who is not also a GM who can also speak on such matters. Someone from gameplay [if they are involved in such things ] for instance? |

Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:06:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:Since The Mittani controls CCP, according to certain threads about Inferno 1.1 in the Test Feedback Forum, shouldn't you be asking for a response from him?
/tinfoil 0/10 could try harder.
lol
I'm reading that thread at the moment and laughing at how absurd some people are being.
Besides, I like The Mittani, he seems like a cool dude. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
717

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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:07:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:
You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP
Sorry I meant to say a member of CCP who is not also a GM who can also speak on such matters. Someone from gameplay [if they are involved in such things ] for instance?
Game design does not make the decisions on that. The game master team is the sole arbitrator on TQ policies; we are the ones setting these policies. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:07:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:
You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP
Sorry I meant to say a member of CCP who is not also a GM who can also speak on such matters. Someone from gameplay [if they are involved in such things ] for instance?
Pretty sure head/senior GMs make most of the rules brosef.
EDIT: GM Homonoia beat me to it  |

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1327
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:09:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:I really like arguing with you, its frikken hysterical. As with most people arguing against Tippia and getting ALL CAPS LOCK ALL THE TIME mad about it, you have no idea how misinformed you look to the rest of us.
It's a good /popcorn thread at your expense, so thanks for that. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
12
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:13:00 -
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Not taking sides in this trainwreck, but just thought I should point out some irony:
Malphilos wrote:it seems you've been ganked by reality. Ignorance is no excuse and whatnot.
Do you tell this to the newbies/carebears too when they jump into lowsec, or get can flipped etc.? I'm pretty sure a warning box pops up before either of those activities. I'm also pretty sure that gives you more explanation than some 'unwritten rule' about not shooting SOE arc mission runners. Thus, 'Ignorance is no excuse and whatnot'.  |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
365
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:14:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:Personally I feel some of the GM's are not up to the job and their discretion is poorly implementated. I also feel that rookies should not be protected and in-game mechanics should be used in place to help rookie pilots understand the basic nature of eve. If a rookie gets killed its not as if they lose much in the first place. What if a new player buys a character with an officer fit tengu. Can they be classed as rookies? What about alts?
I don't kill rookies myself unless Im at war with them or something like that.
Personally I don't think a GM or a senior GM response is good enough in this manner. I would much prefer an official CCP response and also some CSM responses.
Just WOW, GM response given and completely ignored. Kudos to the GM's for keeping it together.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:16:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities
1. Create new toon 2. Set course to Hek 3. Probe a mission runner 4. Steal loot 5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you< 6. Collect tears.
I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules. What a..... If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche. I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder.
And that's exactly the reason why some rules should not be set in stone, as a adult you should have some educations, sense of others respect and/or at least some "mind reason" enough to not act like a simple douchebag/bullie.
As I keep saying for years now if there are rules that need really to be clarified and so avoid 90% of these scumbag tears are the following, let me reiterate it for you:
You want to pvp in high sec? -go wardec or faction warfare
Want to look like a badass -10 red skull and pick targets with no distinction? -go low sec
Want to do whatever you want, kill rookies, blueballs, batphone whatever scumbag tactic you want to? -go null
But I suppose most of those "Elite" brained and skilled dudes would better leave than take some risks.
brb |

Gatosai
Kaotic Intentions Cold Hand of Shadow
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:24:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities
1. Create new toon 2. Set course to Hek 3. Probe a mission runner 4. Steal loot 5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you< 6. Collect tears.
I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules. What a..... If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche. I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder. And that's exactly the reason why some rules should not be set in stone, as a adult you should have some educations, sense of others respect and/or at least some "mind reason" enough to not act like a simple douchebag/bullie. As I keep saying for years now if there are rules that need really to be clarified and so avoid 90% of these scumbag tears are the following, let me reiterate it for you: You want to pvp in high sec? -go wardec or faction warfare Want to look like a badass -10 red skull and pick targets with no distinction? -go low sec Want to do whatever you want, kill rookies, blueballs, batphone whatever scumbag tactic you want to? -go null But I suppose most of those "Elite" brained and skilled dudes would better leave than take some risks.
let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
365
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:25:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities
1. Create new toon 2. Set course to Hek 3. Probe a mission runner 4. Steal loot 5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you< 6. Collect tears.
I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules. What a..... If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche. I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder.
That is not an exploit. You won't get away with that one. The very first thing the GM is going see is that you were in another players mission area. That in itself will get the thing flagged. But go ahead and try it, something tells me that it will be you that gets the ban for pulling something like that.
   
EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Grinder2210
Kaotic Intentions Cold Hand of Shadow
1
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:26:00 -
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[/quote]
And that's exactly the reason why some rules should not be set in stone, as a adult you should have some educations, sense of others respect and/or at least some "mind reason" enough to not act like a simple douchebag/bullie.
As I keep saying for years now if there are rules that need really to be clarified and so avoid 90% of these scumbag tears are the following, let me reiterate it for you:
You want to pvp in high sec? -go wardec or faction warfare
Want to look like a badass -10 red skull and pick targets with no distinction? -go low sec
Want to do whatever you want, kill rookies, blueballs, batphone whatever scumbag tactic you want to? -go null
But I suppose most of those "Elite" brained and skilled dudes would better leave than take some risks. [/quote]
And if you want to have real fun ... Get youself Sucide ganked my a Cynabal while your trying to kill his buddy in a 3plus billion isk Raddlesnake ( in a rookie system ) .....
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16302791 |

Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
8
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:28:00 -
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Mrs. GM Lady, I need you to define what the weakest puppy I can kick is as I have a medical condition known as blue balls which disallows me from competing against anyone near or above my skill level. |

Haulie Berry
200
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:28:00 -
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Wow, this is pretty asinine. If it's such a problem, rework the arc to only take place in the preexisting rookie systems. |

Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:28:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:That is not an exploit. You won't get away with that one. The very first thing the GM is going see is that you were in another players mission area. That in itself will get the thing flagged. But go ahead and try it, something tells me that it will be you that gets the ban for pulling something like that.    
Probably won't get banned, just the GM telling you to not file false petitions. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1226
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:31:00 -
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IMHO people should be banned from flying ships like that in rookie systems.
If you want to have rookie systems, make sure they are rookie systems.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:31:00 -
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Gatosai wrote:let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right
Yes please explain me why high sec would be safe if you had to join corporations or faction warfare. Every one knows, except maybe you, that those are really kitty online. On the top of corporation kills we have RvB and Eve uni but yeah, you're right.... brb |

Gatosai
Kaotic Intentions Cold Hand of Shadow
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:35:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Gatosai wrote:let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right Yes please explain me why high sec would be safe if you had to join corporations or faction warfare. Every one knows, except maybe you, that those are really kitty online. On the top of corporation kills we have RvB and Eve uni but yeah, you're right....
because all the glitter farting unicorns from space Africa couldn't make sense out of that |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:36:00 -
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Gatosai wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Gatosai wrote:let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right Yes please explain me why high sec would be safe if you had to join corporations or faction warfare. Every one knows, except maybe you, that those are really kitty online. On the top of corporation kills we have RvB and Eve uni but yeah, you're right.... because all the glitter farting unicorns from space Africa couldn't make sense out of that
That's the point ^^
brb |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
122
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:39:00 -
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These threads always remind me of the 3 year old who ask's "why" to every single answer you give them until you get to the point that you just make them go to bed.
S The thread goes on-line June 9th, 2012. Human intelligence is removed from further posts. The thread begins to learn at a geometric rate. The thread becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, June 10th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.-á |

highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
103
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:43:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:
My post very clearly mentions rookies. We want everyone to let new players acclimate to the game before they are thrown in with the sharks. By all means, gank, steal from, scam and whatever else you want to experienced players. They should know the crack of the whip.
This! 
My new favorite GM
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
468
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:03:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I really like arguing with you, its frikken hysterical. As with most people arguing against Tippia and getting ALL CAPS LOCK ALL THE TIME mad about it, you have no idea how misinformed you look to the rest of us. It's a good /popcorn thread at your expense, so thanks for that.
As I pointed out to some other rather misinformed poster yesterday, what you see as me being "mad" is just your poorly judged assumption. I also use capslock as a form of emphasis on certain words in place of bold or italics, and because of the fact that you can't increase the font size so that the terminally stupid, illiterate and partially sighted people can read it. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Gatosai
Kaotic Intentions Cold Hand of Shadow
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:05:00 -
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highonpop wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:
My post very clearly mentions rookies. We want everyone to let new players acclimate to the game before they are thrown in with the sharks. By all means, gank, steal from, scam and whatever else you want to experienced players. They should know the crack of the whip.
This!  My new favorite GM
while i like the way this statement was worded it makes me agree with a prior post that tutorial missions should get "rookies" better acquainted with such mechanics. i mean in the tutorial missions there is a mission that mentions insuring your ship which is directly followed by your ship getting blasted to pieces without any way to avoid it. wouldn't be that far of a stretch to do the same with can baiting or can flipping. am i wrong for thinking that this would be a much easier way to deal wit this then going: "okay i know we already said THESE are the rookie systems but i don't like where this whole "pvp" thing is going so I'm going to add all these systems to the protection radius"? i mean i understand ccp is trying to protect their cash cow by making this game new player friendly but in the process they're making veteran players turn away from the game, no? |

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
314
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:23:00 -
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Why can't they simply move the epic arc into rookie systems to prevent this sort of interdiction creep? |

Kata Amentis
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
60
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:45:00 -
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A couple of caveats to this post:
Firstly: very happy to see the protection of absolute newbies. Getting dead/scammed before you even know what the basic concepts are (you can get dead and you will be scammed ) sucks. Whilst I've always advocated being podded and scammed early in your career in New Eden to lose the fear, there is a time and place to it, and absolute newbie/rookie days are not it.
Secondly: whilst I really hope the dregs of the eve community (got to love 'em) would take the message and understands the concept of a fuzzy boundry... I've been around New Eden a little too long so...
When you're forced to look into spreading the protection to the other systems mentioned, it might be worth putting some consideration into moving the epic arc away from Hek. Hek is the trade hub for Metropolis and as with all major hubs all kinds of mass untargetting scamming, baiting and general foulplay (again, got to love it) goes on. I just think that some realism needs to be applied to the nightmare can of worms that would be opened by trying to manually defend newbies in such a system. Perhaps Nakugard (tie in some Ani constellation stuff maybe?) would be a preferable SOE arc system?
V for Vendetta comes to mind... a chain of events that has only one conclusion, really annoyed Hekians and huge GM workloads  Curiosity killed the Kata...
... but being immortal he wasn't too worried about keeping a count. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1422
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:06:00 -
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I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?
does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?
does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?
does this not speak volumes to you guys? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
468
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:08:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?
does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?
does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?
does this not speak volumes to you guys?
No, it just says something about the mentality of the players. Throwing that responsibility on to CCP's shoulders is akin to a rapist blaming their actions on the woman for the way she dresses. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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