I understand your point of view and probably those gaming rules are somewhere else like TOS or whatever name it is.

I understand your point of view and probably those gaming rules are somewhere else like TOS or whatever name it is.

However there's no public announce of changes for this precise fact as they usually do (like can flipping newbs in newbie systems), and at the end of the day it's up to us to trust or not this guy post. Until this supposed change is announced I don't, that simple.

Have you tried to petition about this specific stuff?

No. They have always been part of the only official example of what constitutes GÇ£griefingGÇ¥. It is not part of the legalese and policies.

That is why, if there is any lack of clarity on this point, they need to announce it.

Thing is that atm we have nothing to discuss about than someone's rumour without proving facts. When I'll see or read facts by officials then it will be time I make my self an ulcer.

No. It means he got wrongfully banned and warned, if that was the reason given.

Can flipping is allowed in all systems, with the exception of the starting systems. The SOE arc does not take place there.

The problem here is that there is no ignorance, except on the part of the GM in question since (s)he is enforcing a non-existing rule. This is spectacularly stupid since, if they want to warn and ban people just like that, they are allowed to do so according to a completely different rule that wasn't applied here. In fact, there are numerous rules that could have been applied GÇö can baiting/flipping in a newbie system isn't one of them. Instead of using the actual rules, they are referring to one that doesn't exist.

They would, but that's the entire problem here: there is nothing to adapt to. No rule that covers the described situation exists.

Some rules are vague on purpose and they will remain vague. This is the 'reckless driving' equivalent. If I define the rules to the last dot someone will simply find a loop hole and use it. The rule is "do not mess with rookies", and if you are in doubt the answer is ALWAYS 'do not do it'.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

Maybe it's under the griefing portion of the EULA.

GAWD, what is wrong with the so-called 'Vets' in this game?

Enforcing policies that aren't made available is just bad taste

Doing a little bit of battleclinic research on the OP reveals the OP killed a 5 day old character, not just once, but 3 times within a 7 minute time frame. Perhaps this is what the GM was getting on you about?

Doing a little bit of battleclinic research on the OP reveals the OP killed a 5 day old character, not just once, but 3 times within a 7 minute time frame. Perhaps this is what the GM was getting on you about?

Confirming I actively hunt impairors. They provide so much joy to kill. . You don't even know what happened there, but obviously I'm targeting newbs hardcore.

I'm pretty much the devil. Which makes sense, since I'm friends with a guy who is known to have the personality traits of several micro-Hitlers. [EDIT: I've been told he's actually 50 of them].

Nothing. They just want to be informed if and when there are any changes in the rules. Why are people so upset about the notion of there being rules that you can follow?

The Blood-Stained Stars arc is considered to be part of the New Player Experience (NPE).

I therefore can understand that the GMs might get tired of responding to "interference" petitions and start swinging the ban-hammer.

You can try to 'Rationalize Away' the issue all you want.

GǪin which case they need to make this rules-change clear and actually reference which rule they're enforcing when swinging that hammer.

Yes, asking them to communicate rules changes is pretty rational. Why are you so upset that people are asking for it?

Some rules are vague on purpose and they will remain vague. This is the 'reckless driving' equivalent. If I define the rules to the last dot someone will simply find a loop hole and use it. The rule is "do not mess with rookies", and if you are in doubt the answer is ALWAYS 'do not do it'.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

So what people are conveniently skipping over here is the problem that this supposed ruling makes all of the SOE epic arc systems off limits for any kind of can flipping, ninja-ing, and baiting. This means that the following systems have been added to the 'no touch zone' (even against non-noobs, if we follow the way the rookie systems are handled):

- Arnon
- Emsar
- Manarq
- Tar
- Larvier
- Ashokon
- Attyn
- Avyuh
- Hatakani
- Hek
- Lustrevik
- Tanoo
- Harerget

And a few others I can't recall off the top of my head. The point of the OP wasn't to question whether or not shooting someone who just started the game is lame (which it is), but the fact that the GMs are arbitrarily enforcing a very clear rule in places it doesn't belong. The GMs need to make clear their expansion of systems, or actually train their GMs.

If they do plan expanding this protection to all epic arc systems, they need to think twice about how much protection this will offer to the veteran players who run the arcs (and who are, incidentally, the majority of the people who actually run the soe epic arc).

I don't usually find myself agreeing with DeMichael, and even less often find myself disagreeing with you, but in this instance he is 100% correct and you seem to be nit picking a few words here and there while overlooking the glaringly obvious, so I shall re-quote it.

See, it clearly says do not mess with rookies. It also says that the rule remains vague for a purpose, precisely the purpose that has been displayed in this thread, where people are asking for super accurate detailed sets of rules.

No, he's pretty much 100% wrong because he has failed to understand the issue, as he always does.

The quote you're using is completely irrelevant. The question is, as always, whether or not they have expanded the rules about can baiting/flipping to new systems without telling anyone. If so, could they please stop doing that and actually communicate such rules changes, because they have far-reaching implications.

1: Show info on character.
2: Is character less than a month old?
3: If yes go to 5, if not go to 4.
4: Gank them.
5: Find someone who isn't a noob.

See how stupidly easy that is? Follow those simple rules when you scan down someone running an SOE mission and you'll be golden.

The rule is DO NOT SCREW WITH NOOBS. How exactly is that hard to understand?

The rule is DO NOT SCREW WITH NOOBS. How exactly is that hard to understand? The rule he posted and that I re-quoted is relevant to any situation involving noob pilots, it is not just about noob pilots in starter systems.

The question at hand is whether or not the rookie system rule, in which all can-baiting, ninja-ing, and can-flipping are COMPLETELY off limits - even against veteran players in that system. The OP wanted to know if the epic arc systems are now ruled as rookie systems, in which case all non-war related kills are outlawed. This is not about whether or not killing rookies is ok, but whether or not CCP decided to make a bunch of blatantly non-rookie systems, safe-zones.

Learn to read before you post.

The rule is DO NOT SCREW WITH NOOBS. How exactly is that hard to understand? The rule he posted and that I re-quoted is relevant to any situation involving noob pilots, it is not just about noob pilots in starter systems.