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Nam Dnilb Universal Frog 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 23:51:00 - [271] - Quote I like the new font, but there are quite a bit of strange artifacts when using scaling down. Letters bleeding into each other , which makes the scaling a bit pointless. Some are even visible at 100% like the letters on tabs bleeding into the line underneath it. Sample here: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/NamDnilb/Clipboard01.png
Opertone Signal 7 6	Posted - 2011.11.12 01:45:00 - [272] - Quote it's all messy. I like old eve font for the UI, goes well with EvE. CCP we need UI font size, my eyes bleed at 1900-1200, some guys have higher rez. Need resizable UI fonts. I get headache after half an hour of market and contracts. SIZE, SIZE! I need to EMPHASIZE!
Circumstantial Evidence 25	Posted - 2011.11.12 02:57:00 - [273] - Quote I just have one small problem now, and this is at 100% with no UI scaling. Decimal points in an icon's item quantity box are too hard to make out, I'm not sure if 12.6k is 126k. Please make decimal points and commas bigger or more distinct.
Lykouleon Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 322	Posted - 2011.11.12 19:02:00 - [274] - Quote After roughly an hour, even with the UI scaled to 90%, I had to shut off SISI before I started throwing up from the font. Its far too sharp and even harder to read than the current font. I am no where near 20/20 vision and I could read the old font just fine. The new font is just waaaaay too sharp and not EVE-like as I'd hoped. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~
Jodis Talvanen State War Academy Caldari State 70	Posted - 2011.11.13 17:11:00 - [275] - Quote I know CCP is not going to change the font. But this is my personal ideal font for EVE: A monospaced san-serif font that is easy to read at all scales, with a twist for a sci fi game: Due to the nature of EVE information is vital, and a monospaced font will make it easier to format for example tables or copied data. Also it will make everything neater in any form of space excel (overview, market etc). It needs to be easy to read because there are many things in EVE are written in paragraphs. It needs to be legible at all scales because text in EVE are generally small. It needs to feel stylish enough in a way that it feels part of a futuristic scifi interface. Right now, the new EVE font fails to achieve ANY OF THE ABOVE. I am a little mad. A font fitting my description will be similar to Concolas or Eurostile or Bitstream. Letters perhaps more on the square side than round to continue the EVE font tradition. Actually I just came across this font on the internet which looks pretty perfect for EVE to adopt: PragmataPro CCP CAN WE HAZ BETTER FONT
el alasar The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2011.11.13 19:45:00 - [276] - Quote Jodis Talvanen wrote: Actually I just came across this font on the internet which looks pretty perfect for EVE to adopt: PragmataPro i tend to agree. this looks eveish, yet clearly readable. not sure mono-spaced is needed for everything though... for numbers definitely, but several text elements could be proportional to save space. more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503
Tarn Kugisa Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire 0	Posted - 2011.11.14 09:45:00 - [277] - Quote I think that font should be changeable instead of hardwired into the files.
Justin Bieber GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 19	Posted - 2011.11.14 16:31:00 - [278] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: I think that font should be changeable instead of hardwired into the files. This would be ideal. However, I'd settle for an option to switch between the new or the old font.
el alasar The Scope Gallente Federation 64	Posted - 2011.11.14 17:04:00 - [279] - Quote custom font, custom font-color monospaced for numbers, variable width for text resizable UI is pretty nice feature though! i expect many people to embrace it. more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503
CorryBasler The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities 2	Posted - 2011.11.15 18:31:00 - [280] - Quote hate the new font, its to big and looks stupid
Dasani Waters Involuntary Trepanation Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.11.15 19:32:00 - [281] - Quote An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg

CCP Punkturis C C P C C P Alliance 241	Posted - 2011.11.15 20:40:00 - [282] - Quote Dasani Waters wrote: An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg are those links to show an info window on something/someone ? CCP Punkturis \| EVE UI Developer

el alasar The Scope Gallente Federation 64	Posted - 2011.11.15 20:49:00 - [283] - Quote Dasani Waters wrote: An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg indeed. this should be changed! more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503
Circumstantial Evidence 25	Posted - 2011.11.15 21:21:00 - [284] - Quote Restore item link color in chat windows - pretty please yes. And make decimal points bolder in icon item quantities, please
Imrik86 Gypsy Kings Wiki Conglomerates 12	Posted - 2011.11.15 21:59:00 - [285] - Quote The new font is a much welcome improvement. * The new font is not A L L C A P S like the old one * The new font is not U N PR O PE R LY HI N T E D like the old one * The new font is not CONDENSED like the old one * Numerals are discernible * The new font seems to be 1 or 2 points bigger All that collaborates to greater readability. Still, people with higher resolution screens will need a way to chose font size.
Jodis Talvanen State War Academy Caldari State 98	Posted - 2011.11.15 23:55:00 - [286] - Quote Jodis Talvanen wrote: Actually I just came across this font on the internet which looks pretty perfect for EVE to adopt: PragmataPro CCP CAN WE HAZ BETTER FONT Quoting for relevance, also please see this picture which explains some problems I have http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9032/20111115233157.png
Bemoliph Ashriden 4	Posted - 2011.11.16 02:34:00 - [287] - Quote Jodis Talvanen wrote: http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9032/20111115233157.png At "why so bold", there is a bug where all chat text actually is forced to bold. You can see it if you start typing in the input box, make half of it bold, compare the two, then compare again after sending. Sent it as a bug report (118656) alongside effectively invisible text (118652) and the known colorless links (118653), so hopefully they get fixed in time.
Wata Keshive Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner Ev0ke 0	Posted - 2011.11.16 08:21:00 - [288] - Quote Aerilis wrote: I agree it has greatly improved legibility and that's good, but the new font just seems too.... round. Doesn't seem sci-fi at all. Just my 2c, make with it what you will. Agree, it feels too roundisch for EvE.. Tthe new font is much more readable then the old one. Thats very positiv. But it somehow feels not right for EvE. It does not contribute very much or even brake to the immersion of flying through space in a dark, cold futuristic world.
Wata Keshive Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner Ev0ke 0	Posted - 2011.11.16 08:22:00 - [289] - Quote Wata Keshive wrote: [quote=Aerilis]I agree it has greatly improved legibility and that's good, but the new font just seems too.... round. Doesn't seem sci-fi at all. Just my 2c, make with it what you will. Agree, it is too roundisch... for EvE. The new font is much more readable then the old one. Thats very positiv. But it somehow feels not right for EvE. It does not contribute very much to (or even brake) the immersion of flying through space in a dark cold futuristic world.
Logix42 Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 3	Posted - 2011.11.16 08:29:00 - [290] - Quote individual words/characters are more readable but sentences are worse. spacing is very odd and makes it difficult for scanning. the font is also too big. I just feels.... ugly

CCP Punkturis C C P C C P Alliance 252	Posted - 2011.11.16 10:59:00 - [291] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode CCP Punkturis \| EVE UI Developer

Salpun Paramount Commerce 61	Posted - 2011.11.16 11:02:00 - [292] - Quote new text was 90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows[/quote] CCP Punkturis got ganked
Salpun Paramount Commerce 61	Posted - 2011.11.16 11:06:00 - [293] - Quote Salpun wrote: new text was 90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows CCP Punkturis got ganked[/quote] If the right click menues where still 100% size 90% would still be readable for all.

CCP Punkturis C C P C C P Alliance 256	Posted - 2011.11.16 11:30:00 - [294] - Quote el alasar wrote: Dasani Waters wrote: An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg indeed. this should be changed! I forwarded this to the relevant people CCP Punkturis \| EVE UI Developer

Gramacy Lazy. 1	Posted - 2011.11.16 11:33:00 - [295] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: Dasani Waters wrote: An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg are those links to show an info window on something/someone ? Links to info windows (chars/items, etc) are white in chat windows, but links to fittings are yellow. The font looks better than last patch, but the spacing could do with a little tweaking, and the font in chat windows shouldn't be bold really, and make the names stand out more from chat text. Not sure if ISD/GM/CCP names are different colours (recently it was just the text, not the names). If not, they should be coloured.
Ione Hawke Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.11.16 11:41:00 - [296] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: 90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Can we go lower then 90%? Moar space for windows is win++. My eyes are prefectly fine so the more info I can get crammed in the smaller space the better :)
Jodis Talvanen State War Academy Caldari State 103	Posted - 2011.11.16 12:04:00 - [297] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: 90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels. Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore. And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot.
Simvastatin Montelukast SACHEN. Mean Coalition 4	Posted - 2011.11.16 12:47:00 - [298] - Quote Jodis Talvanen wrote: CCP Punkturis wrote: 90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels. Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore. And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot. Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens)
Jodis Talvanen State War Academy Caldari State 104	Posted - 2011.11.16 13:16:00 - [299] - Quote Simvastatin Montelukast wrote: Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens) Use (or copy) this font PragmataPro

CCP Punkturis C C P C C P Alliance 328	Posted - 2011.11.16 14:29:00 - [300] - Quote Simvastatin Montelukast wrote: Jodis Talvanen wrote: CCP Punkturis wrote: 90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels. Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore. And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot. Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens) We're not really scaling the font when we're scaling - we're scaling the whole UI. You can read more about how it works in my dev blog on UI Scaling. CCP Punkturis \| EVE UI Developer


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