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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.20 11:17:00 -
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SiSi will have a new font in the next build, most likely tomorrow, September 21st.
Read about it in this dev blog and please use this thread to report any issues you encounter on the test server.
General feedback on the new font can be posted here. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Slighet
Siempre Muerto
1
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Posted - 2011.09.20 11:48:00 -
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lol, font-size trolling in the blog text ;)
Anyhoo, good news! (*cough*finally!*cough*)
Edit: sorry, comprehension fail, thought I'd clicked through to the comment thread for the devblog ;/ |
RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
110
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Posted - 2011.09.20 11:49:00 -
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next for a proper scalable one ;-p http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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EL TITAN
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 12:16:00 -
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PLEASE PLEASE MAKE THE FONT BIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BEG YOU, MY EYE,,, BEG YOU!!!!! |
Sarmatiko
106
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Posted - 2011.09.20 12:20:00 -
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Already posted in another thread but it's worth to repeat. Don't release this font until all cyrillic characters get normal looks. [[FIXED] Just one example: http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5093/20110919181111.png Why this "-+" letter isn't symmetrical? Other characters like "-î","-¦", "-ä" also look weird.) [/FIXED]
OK right now I re-checked and errors in previous statement was fixed in latest nightly. But still "-+" looks like "-+" and dot is barely recognizable.
Why I'm bothering with this now? Because CCP can release stuff and then never look back or fix bugs just like with fonts on eveisreal page: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9852/brokenfont.png
English font is ok thought. |
Tiran'Sol
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 12:34:00 -
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Thank you for fixing the 0/O issue. |
Krispy Dingo
Strangers in a Strange Land
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:02:00 -
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This space intentionally left blank. |
codemaster28
Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:47:00 -
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I do hope this isnt just for chat boxes and the entire fonts within the game, i still would like to be able to play eve on a 32" screen using 1080p without having to squint at the station info text and all other text. About time & good work if thats the case. |
Gallion
GALACTIC GUARDIAN KNIGHTS
268
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:54:00 -
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In all honesty im already used to the new font...(the currant never did bother me) This is a Signature, It makes people Stare. (Man I gotta Make one , or Find one to steal) |
Tokp Lotas
the united Negative Ten.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 14:11:00 -
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Don't forget the +¦ +æ pls ^^ |
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Belkanto
Rock Grinders The Silent One's
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 14:25:00 -
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Are you going to remove the "Reboot client on disconnect" option? |
Aerilis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 14:30:00 -
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I agree it has greatly improved legibility and that's good, but the new font just seems too.... round. Doesn't seem sci-fi at all.
Just my 2c, make with it what you will. |
matarkhan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:10:00 -
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It's some sort of Icelandic April Fools Day, right?
I mean, with at least a 5-year backlog of genuinely broken stuff in the game, you guys aren't seriously devoting resources to changing the FONT, right?
I thought so. Phew.
For a second there I thought you were serious about this. Totally had me going. |
Liner Xiandra
DO-ORE-DIE Mining Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:15:00 -
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Sorry to say but the readability has degraded judging by those screenshots. Yes, you now can distinguish between some characters, but overall it takes me more effort to scan a sentence. |
Bouc Wen
Wheatfield Veldspar Mafia
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:55:00 -
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Good work gents, those fonts have been bugging me for years. |
Shadow Wind
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:57:00 -
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It's a good change. Especially with a bit of fine tuning. My question though is why not let us choose from several fonts? |
Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:13:00 -
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Please make the font changeable in size while still the new font applies to ALL windows (not like the current mix of fontsizes if you leave the default size). Many alliance leaders will have multiple chat channels open at the same time, so even small fontsize must be easy to read and not create headache. So far the font looks more like Serif than Sans. While Serif is ok for letters I do not like it for internet pixels. Ugleb > and [alliance members] won't log in so long as their core members are demotivated for whichever reason is in flavour this week |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:27:00 -
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Can someone post an image of what the "~" (tilde) character looks like in the new font?
Also perhaps a showcase of the different font sizes in a chat window? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:29:00 -
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Also, see the menu screen:
"Show introduction movie on next login" "Show Session-Change Timer"
"Only stack windows if Shift pressed" Try to use existing info window if any (except if shift is pressed)"
If you can't decide on one way of capitalization, maybe it would be better to keep it in all caps. |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:33:00 -
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At long last. Now the FC wont be saying the wrong system name getting people confused. :) |
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Mechael
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
12
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:04:00 -
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Just make sure that the standard eve greeting, o/ , salute , o7 , and cheer, \o/ all still work and look good. Kthanks. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
18
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:19:00 -
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Try adding an extra pixel in between all the characters. They seem sorta scrunched together. |
Lucius Archibald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:29:00 -
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This new font is horrendous. I'm not sure I'll be able to stand playing the game for more than a few minutes at a time if it comes out anything like the devblog screenshots.
Some characters are too small, some too large, some too close together. The game font *needs* to be monospaced and scalable, how hard can that be? There's a multitude fantastic fonts already out there and available, why reinvent the wheel as a square rather than re-use one of the perfectly good ones already out there! |
Sadaris
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 20:17:00 -
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So how much money and time was wasted on this instead of real game problems? |
Conventia Underking
PIE Inc.
18
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Posted - 2011.09.20 20:22:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Also, see the menu screen:
"Show introduction movie on next login" "Show Session-Change Timer"
"Only stack windows if Shift pressed" Try to use existing info window if any (except if shift is pressed)"
If you can't decide on one way of capitalization, maybe it would be better to keep it in all caps.
For God, Empire and Empress! |
Varesk
Maelstrom Crew
11
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Posted - 2011.09.20 22:26:00 -
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sweet, instead of fixing i dont know DRONES or some other things that have been broke forever we get a new ******* font.
:cripes: |
Dark Tobby
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 22:50:00 -
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The new font is to sharp, it's hurtin my eyes. WIll (<- love this font) the old font still be selectable? It is a bit easier on my eyes.. |
Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 23:46:00 -
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Currently in EVE, with the default options, I have a very hard time to read stuff. So I use a bit different color for background, have increased the menu font size to 13, and have set the font width option to expanded. It's better that way, but far, very far from what I could call readable. (I have glasses; have a big LCD monitor with 2048x1152 resolution.)
I see from the pictures that you have removed the font width option - and sadly I already see that this new font, while certanly better then the old one, will give me a hard time reading stuff again in EVE.
I guess there can be some technical difficulties to be able to choose from different fonts, but I ask you to
- put back the option for font spacing (width, how you called it),
- preferably enable to be able to set the font size too and
- give us an option to set the font color too, not just the window colors.
(For me, light windows with dark, bigger fonts would be much better.)
Best regards, Peter
Ps.: The 2 pictures show in the blog are not very good examples to be compared, because you didn't use the same background color and transparency values for the pictures. |
IceGuerilla
Poseidon's Wingmen Perihelion Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 01:36:00 -
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Although at first I found the new font disgusting and nauseating, I'm pleased to report that after some time my opinion of it stayed exactly the same. |
Athreya
Far Eastern Domen SOLAR WING
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 03:36:00 -
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I am Russian and never used Russian client because of horrible fonts here. It seems now English fonts became horrible too. |
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Shaira Skatan
Serenity Prime Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 04:34:00 -
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Based on your escape menu screenshots, the font is much HARDER to read.
1. Character height/width ration appears wrong. IE. They look too skinny. While I wouldn't want the characters any wider than the old ones, as I value my horizontal screen real-estate, these characters just look squishy in the horizontal direction.
2. "h" looks like "n".
3. Most depressingly, I feel my eyes straining to read the words in the new font, and then a relative sense of comfort to look back at the old font...
Sorry to mock your hard work, but IMO you're just not there yet. |
Jake Walker
12Monkeys-Clan Semper Fidelis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 08:10:00 -
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The new font is not enough technical, he is too big and looks too normal (like Arial..) and this font makes the GUI of EVE more looks like any other normal program on my computer, the special extraterrestrial feeling goes lost.
Please use furthermore in future a uppercased and more squared font, maybe you should only correct the mistakable chars.
Jake Walker EVE since 2004-02-25 |
Matariki Rain
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 08:58:00 -
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It's 21 Sept, so I rebuilt my SiSi (Successfully! First time! :) ) to see more examples of the font in action. It looks like I was overly eager and will have a little more waiting before me.
When the test font does arrive I'll be particularly interested in:
- the lowercase "l" ("L") alongside the capital "I" ("i") and numeral "1"
- nullsec system names
- financial accounts, showcasing the strike-through zero
- paragraph text in item descriptions
- chat windows showing standard punctuation and capitalisation, links (still bold and coloured?), someone bellowing in all-caps, and use of the "/me" emote.
You've said you're aware that the text is currently floating too high. Fixing that will make quite a difference to how we perceive the font, I think. At the moment, as well as the discomfort of the unfamiliar, the misalignments make the sample page look rough (not in a good way) and unprofessional, as well as seeming to cut off the top row of pixels in characters like the lower-case "f" which makes that look like an indecisive "t".
I'm keen to see an improved font. I support the use of mixed-case over all-caps for legibility in headings. (Brings another angle to nerfing supercaps.) My first impression is that, while the kerning doesn't seem to be too bad, the verticality of the font is going to take some getting used to. I support Arial Narrow and similar fonts for headings but not really for chunks of meant-to-be-read "text". That would be a fairly radical change at this stage, though.
One thing the example does show up is that it looks like you could do with an EVE writing style guide. It seems you've chosen title case for headings but either you're confused about which casing you're using for list items or different people have different ideas about what EVE considers are proper names, deserving of capitalisation. "Shift"? "Tactical Notifications" but "damage notifications". Sort this as early as possible: it saves a heap of time and fixes later. (And if you actually have a mixed-case mess on your hands that was previously hidden by being automatically all-capsed you have my sympathy.) |
Zarniwoop VanHarl
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 09:02:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:SiSi will have a new font in the next build, most likely tomorrow, September 21st.
Given the comments from some, you would think that the new font is already on SiSi.
Is it? As I can see no difference. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
71
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Posted - 2011.09.21 10:13:00 -
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when this hits SiSi you should see a better version of the font than displayed in the esc menu screenshot :) CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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VLAD VIRONS
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 11:33:00 -
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Not "EVEish" enough, hope u work more on it. |
BearUkraine
Light Style
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:04:00 -
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Please add more front' sizes. It is impossible to play on big monitors (32"+) in 1920x1080. Try it and your eyes will be broken! I cant believe that it is so difficult.
Also to improve readability please add option to make all (or some) fronts bolded!
Hope I will be heard and somebody supports me. |
hero honda
Maniacal Miners INC Cosmic Maniacs
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 03:40:00 -
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about the ESC menu screen shot. Going form full caps to regular caps was a little bit of a shock but whats wrong with left mouse button in "escmenunew.jpg" there is an un-render-able char right next to left. |
Darsain
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:28:00 -
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The font presented doesn't suit EVE Online. It looks like a generic Windows font. In five minutes on myfonts.com I've found these two nice looking guys: Maza, Digital Sans EF (with a few modifications of noted "o0, G&" problem they could be a lot better choice)
If you'd spent there a little more time, with a smart tags searching, I'm sure you'd find a lot better solution than doing everything yourself in a font that doesn't really look good for a future internet spaceships.
But since you've already presented the new font, in what it seems like an advanced stage of work, I'm not that optimistic that you are going to do anything about that :) But at least I've tried. I guess I'll have to get used to EVE client having a typography of a windows app. |
Hrug
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:10:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:SiSi will have a new font in the next build, most likely tomorrow, September 21st.
... Any updates on the date?
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Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 03:15:00 -
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....along with the new cyno effects? |
Wylma Wyrd
Guns 'n' Droneses
2
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Posted - 2011.09.25 12:54:00 -
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An open letter to the army of armchair designers and fancy font fanatics who have enthusiastically swooped on this thread like attention-starved carrion fowl:
Kindly cease and desist with the "this or that sci-fi font would look sooooooooooooooooooooo(breath)oooooooooooooooo cool" balderdash.
Try an experiment (a quick thought experiment sufficed for me (but for some of you I'd perhaps suggest something involving typing, copying, pasting, rescaling and gasping)) whereby you compress some of these artless monstrosities into the miserly space that one is so obviously constrained to in the EVE UI, and you'll soon come to appreciate (actually, you probably won't (but never mind because the good taste bypass procedure many of you seem to have undergone doubtless makes even the most sordidly overdecorated large-hadron-collider-grade-blue-LED adorned case seem unassailably chic)) that if your hackneyed hieroglyphics belong anywhere, then that unlucky somewhere had best be as far as possible from your trusty local internet spaceship simulator.
Yours minimalistically,
WW
PS - Grudging thanks to Tethys Atreides for patiently parsing the parentheses of my previous post. If any equally masochistic capsuleers crave for the same adulation to be heaped upon their unworthy crowns, they have only to do the same. Form an orderly queue, won't you? |
Endymi Typhirr
14
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Posted - 2011.09.29 13:33:00 -
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Hrug wrote:CCP Guard wrote:SiSi will have a new font in the next build, most likely tomorrow, September 21st.
... Any updates on the date? (an additional 4-5 days later)
Any indication at all would be useful. Check out The "Concord LP" Channel! |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
21
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Posted - 2011.09.29 21:19:00 -
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Sorry but that looks pretty manky. I hope it is very much a work in progress, because being forced to use that would seriously make the game a drag. I don't have any issues with the current font; not being 'disabled' or unable to tell the difference between two different characters.
Making a new font that looks very akin to the amateur freetype **** from a linux distro, isn't what I'd consider a step forward. Making eve look like some terrible X11 inspired mess from 2001 really isn't either.
Can we continue to use the old font by choice or not? |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
84
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Posted - 2011.09.30 18:47:00 -
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It would be great if you could post your issues here and preferably with a screenshot.
CCP Affinity and I will be monitoring this and try to fix issues as soon as we can
Fly safe everybody! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Krispy Dingo
Strangers in a Strange Land
6
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Posted - 2011.09.30 19:02:00 -
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On the EULA, and I know, who reads the EULA, there is some clipping on the left hand side for the headings
This is on a Windows 7 Ultimate machine, 1280x720 resolution.
http://krispydingo.com/images/EULA_font_issue.PNG Twitter Website |
Mila Strelok
Autonomos S.L.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.30 19:35:00 -
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with new SiSi build, no text on textboxes
http://i.imgur.com/ElrfQ.png
Windows 7 64bit - 1920x1080 |
theteck
0
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Posted - 2011.09.30 19:38:00 -
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/eula.png/
no font in eula
stucked here
---------------------------------------------------------------------------| I'm from Qu+¬bec and english its my secondary language...-á|-á |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:10:00 -
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I also have problems getting past the EULA.
Font Problem
I have also opened a petition.
Id is 2621292
Should have everything you need there, but if you need more, I'll see if I can dig it up.
I'm also running windows 7 64 bit |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
177
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:22:00 -
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Same issue... no font in textbox... and unable to scroll down the eula as there is no scrollbar either... so... unable to activate the button on bottom... and obviously because of that... unable to close that window and unable log in :) Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
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Blue Harrier
9
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:48:00 -
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To anyone having problems with the eula not scrolling find the 'prefs.ini' and edit it, look for the line 'languageID=' and change it to 'languageID=EN' it should then work fine.
It seems the client is looking for unavailable language files. |
Mila Strelok
Autonomos S.L.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:53:00 -
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Blue Harrier wrote:To anyone having problems with the eula not scrolling find the 'prefs.ini' and edit it, look for the line 'languageID=' and change it to 'languageID=EN' it should then work fine.
It seems the client is looking for unavailable language files. it works!!!!!!! thanks |
Greygal
Sephray Industries Serenitas Solutus
36
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:58:00 -
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The capital letter "Q" needs to have its lower slashy thing stand out more. As it is, capital "Q" looks an awful lot like capital "O"
There seems to be a lot of unparsed labels - instead of seeing proper labels, I'm seeing things like:
[no label: UI/InfoWindow/MedalAwardedNumTimes]
(That's from the Medals tab of the Decorations page on my character sheet. Should say, "Kick Ass Award")
Dates/times are not parsing into spelled-out dates/times as they previously did. For example, on the Training Queue page of the Character sheet, I prefer the way the time remaining displays on the old system - as "Four Days Three Hours Nine Minutes" instead of "04:03:09:22"
Blue bar showing skill que crunches into the line that says "FINISHES 10/4/11 11:20:36 PM PDT"
Commas missing on character sheet displaying how many skill points saved on my clone
Hard to differentiate between commas and periods
Combat log is all whacked out of alignment - text is taking up far more space vertically than is available for the text. Odd squares/brackets(?) (look like []) after corp and alliance names.
Text is also somewhat vertically space challenged on the Augmentations page of the Character sheet.
On the HUD, bottom of HUD, the text showing (WARPING) and speed when not warping (i.e., "97 M/S") is very big, actually should be smaller - it almost runs off the HUD.
Will edit this post with links to images soon as I can get them all uploaded!
What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
177
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Posted - 2011.09.30 21:04:00 -
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Blue Harrier wrote:To anyone having problems with the eula not scrolling find the 'prefs.ini' and edit it, look for the line 'languageID=' and change it to 'languageID=EN' it should then work fine.
It seems the client is looking for unavailable language files.
yep thanks.. had FI(nnish) on that and changing it to EN(glish) fixed the issue.
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Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
1
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Posted - 2011.09.30 21:13:00 -
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O/0 difference is good but... the font is terribly ugly, feels like 1994 |
Absent Sentry
1
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Posted - 2011.09.30 21:15:00 -
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As far as distinguishing characters from each other goes, 0 (zero) and O (oh) are fixed but O (oh) and Q (cue) still have a serious issue:
http://i.imgur.com/uDyTB.png
D (dee) and O (oh) will probably still cause issues in small font situations, particularly in the probing interface under the ID column. SiSi went down before I was able to check, but it's a problem there with the current font on TQ, so it's worth a look. Ultimately, O (oh) seems a bit anorexic and should be fattened, while Q (cue) just needs a more prominent marking in the bottom right corner. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
51
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Posted - 2011.09.30 23:57:00 -
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Here are the things I noticed (in random order) regarding the new fonts:
- Ship names in the station Services tab seem to randomly lose (part of) the first letter of their name.
http://eve-files.com/dl/248067
It's not a matter of name length it seems, 'Zonnescheerder' has 14 letters and the 'Z' is cut of, while 'Grijze Hagelstorm' has 17 and doesn't get any letter cut of.
- Times and dates are very difficult to read/comprehend. For example the remaining time left in the skill queue is reading like single 8 digit number. The divisions are only visible for me if I put my nose against the screen.
Another example is the date for the next neural remap in the attributes tab of the character sheet: http://eve-files.com/dl/248071 For me it reads as 20111215 184258. Ok, it is technically depicting the date and time, but is far from easy to read. There are many, many places where a date or timer is shown with the same readability/comprehension issue. Although in the Market tab, the expiration date/time of the market orders is depicted the 'old fashioned' way. Much better readable!
- Text in the Character sheet Combat Log tab is not staying within the text box: http://eve-files.com/dl/248073
While on the other hand, in the Agents tab of People & Places it is: http://eve-files.com/dl/248074 It looks as if in the Combat log the line height is determined by the picture size (leaving to little room for the text) and in the Agent tab by the text size: http://eve-files.com/dl/248075 (left Combat log, right Agents tab)
- Found some very strange text behaviour in my wallet tab: http://eve-files.com/dl/248076
Yes that's it! Save resources! Why use all those columns, if it can fit in only two?.....
Hopes this small list helps. There are probably some more glitches, I will test again tomorrow. Now, off to bed.
E.N.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
179
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Posted - 2011.10.01 00:38:00 -
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I just leave this here Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Di Mulle
8
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Posted - 2011.10.01 00:41:00 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Times and dates are very difficult to read/comprehend. For example the remaining time left in the skill queue is reading like a single 8 digit number. The divisions are only visible for me if I put my nose against the screen. Another example is the date for the next neural remap in the attributes tab of the character sheet: http://eve-files.com/dl/248071 For me it reads as 20111215 184258. Ok, it is technically depicting the date and time, but is far from easy to read. There are many, many places where a date or timer is shown with the same readability/comprehension issue. Although in the Market tab, the expiration date/time of the market orders is depicted the 'old fashioned' way. Much better readable!
Many times this.
CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Krispy Dingo
Strangers in a Strange Land
7
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Posted - 2011.10.01 00:43:00 -
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Problems with the readout for Shield/Armour/Hull.
http://krispydingo.com/images/readout_issues.jpg
Shield shows [Numeric Shield] Armour is fine Hull is blank
It also shows the same thing when looking at both absolute readout or percentage readout. Twitter Website |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
52
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Posted - 2011.10.01 01:02:00 -
[61] - Quote
Q (QU) and O (OH) are still one and the same, basically. Capital letters, that is. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Vestor
Magma Planetary Investigation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.01 01:25:00 -
[62] - Quote
If I may recycle Krispy's imagery, I'd like to point out that interpunction is near impossible to see in many places, e.g. the Security level and the time. |
Absent Sentry
1
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Posted - 2011.10.01 01:47:00 -
[63] - Quote
(almost?) all new text has no shadowing, whether "in space" or inside any given UI element. This makes it anywhere from difficult to impossible to read text against lighter backgrounds, including certain skyboxes. For an extreme example, here the text for a Cynosural Field I against its own effect:
http://i.imgur.com/KfkFU.png
Note how the bracket itself retains its shadow and is therefore still visible. |
Regan Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 01:51:00 -
[64] - Quote
in my character sheet
i go to COMBAT LOG
Then look at losses (yes Regan has been killed)
Each item overlaps the next one in the list.
Windows 7 - 64 i7-860 8gb 5770 vid card
Cheers
Regan |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2011.10.01 02:16:00 -
[65] - Quote
Honestly, the new font gives me headaches and makes me a little nauseous after a while.
Also needs some work on scale. Some elements of the UI don't need to be quite as large as they are while others are perhaps a tad too small. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
ISquishWorms
12
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Posted - 2011.10.01 02:19:00 -
[66] - Quote
I prefer the old font, I find this new one harder to read which I don't understand because it is bigger. |
JackStraw56
Bayesian Motion Knights of Tomorrow
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 03:53:00 -
[67] - Quote
Honestly don't see the advantage to this new font. I agree with the guy who said it looks like a 2001 linux distro font. Preferred the old one. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
78
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Posted - 2011.10.01 03:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
New font is really bad. Way too much spacing. Way too big. I would stay with the old rather than the new. Just use a standard font like Arial or Times New Roman. Really, it looks like crap. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
13
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Posted - 2011.10.01 04:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Scan button in dscan window has the c and a REALLY REALLY close together. |
Psychophantic
43
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Posted - 2011.10.01 04:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
Do not want. |
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Handsome Hussein
14
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Posted - 2011.10.01 05:02:00 -
[71] - Quote
This pretty much sums up the experience for me. The new font looks great, very readable compared to the old, but sizing is a big issue. Especially on the overview. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Gregor Palter
77
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Posted - 2011.10.01 06:27:00 -
[72] - Quote
I don't really like the new font, somehow it's just awkward to read.
Excuses are the refuge of the weak. |
Psychophantic
44
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Posted - 2011.10.01 07:55:00 -
[73] - Quote
The current font looks better in all situations. There is still difficulty in telling Q and O apart. Multiple zeros look worse. I will have to give up more space to enlarge overview, drone, fleet, watchlist, and chat tabs. |
NekoKitten
Neko Industry 'n' PvE Pegasus Coalition
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 11:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
In my opinion, the font is too big. Make it resizable and please give me an option to use the old font instead. And it looks too .. mmm .. how can I say this .. 1980's. Very retro. Maybe a bit too retro ;) |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Talocan United
24
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Posted - 2011.10.01 11:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
Hooray! CCP finally addressing a much-needed and long-overdue issue!
...
Are you feeling okay, CCP? Not that I'm complaining, mind you... |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
36
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
Q needs some work. |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:55:00 -
[77] - Quote
Really ugly font that doesnt fit the game at all, bad work ccp. |
cmaxx
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 14:34:00 -
[78] - Quote
TBH, Using Microsoft Windows' 'Terminal' at '6' pts would work better than the proposed new font as shown today.
Freakily there are almost no better-formed, readable fonts with the same density, anywhere. as Terminal 6.
If you've not already, do check out http://keithdevens.com/wiki/ProgrammerFonts as programmers have much the same need for highly-readable, compact fonts that make the most out of available screen estate while preserving critical distinctions between similar characters.
Sadly I don't think Terminal or (m)any programming fonts have full sets of non-English characters.
Anyway, I think there's much to be said about cribbing from Terminal, or the smaller XTerm (fixedsys) fonts, or some of those programmer fonts, and then extending to forrin.
It's hard work making good, working, attractive fonts, and I have high hopes. |
Cynika
Unseen Academy The Unseen Company
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 14:53:00 -
[79] - Quote
Basicly... I hate the new font look. Glad I can say which one is 0 or O but why does it have to be so ugly. And so big ( I had to make my OV 20% widther to even see same information I had there before) - no, not everybody can play in 1920xsomething. And it's so 8-bit. I feel like playing on my Commodore again. |
ISquishWorms
14
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:41:00 -
[80] - Quote
Cynika wrote:Basicly... I hate the new font look. Glad I can say which one is 0 or O but why does it have to be so ugly. And so big ( I had to make my OV 20% widther to even see same information I had there before) - no, not everybody can play in 1920xsomething. And it's so 8-bit. I feel like playing on my Commodore again.
I play in 1920x1200 but still prefer the old font it is more readable than this new one for some reason. Hopefully CCP will give us a choice and we can still use the original font if we so choose. |
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Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:43:00 -
[81] - Quote
ISquishWorms wrote:Cynika wrote:Basicly... I hate the new font look. Glad I can say which one is 0 or O but why does it have to be so ugly. And so big ( I had to make my OV 20% widther to even see same information I had there before) - no, not everybody can play in 1920xsomething. And it's so 8-bit. I feel like playing on my Commodore again. I play in 1920x1200 but still prefer the old font it is more readable than this new one for some reason. Hopefully CCP will give us a choice and we can still use the original font if we so choose.
I agree, old font needs fixing but its still better then this crap. |
Lady Aesir
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:59:00 -
[82] - Quote
Nice to have a new font however, it is horribly oversized.
When displayed on a 1920x1028 resolution the overview window is unuseable.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1392/eve1.png |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
13
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:49:00 -
[83] - Quote
The above ^^, I have that issue on my main desktop and my 1680 resolution laptop. There is so many size issues its ********.
People weren't asking for a new font entirely. They just wanted common problems fixed such as 0 and Os, Is and 1s, etc. Not LETS COPY AND PASTE COMIC SANS INTO THE GAME. |
Jayyne Cobb
Vindicator Corporation Strategic Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:42:00 -
[84] - Quote
http://www.trishacupra.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/bunnypunch.png
When is the right time to use a comic sans font?
Stop the madness
All the CCP "drama" this year didnt affect me at all. I was even siding with CCP a bit.
This? If it's mandatory, I'll do everything possible to make it known to CCP how pissed off I am.
ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN EVE COMIC SANS!
I'd be more in favor of forcing me to learn kanji and post in old Japanese than this new-font EXCREMENT. DEVS: Read this. Stop drinking for three minutes and read this.
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John Rothman
Sleeper Asset Relocation Services
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:47:00 -
[85] - Quote
Readable font: GOOD
De-caps on menus: BAD
Why is this bad? They're readable and they look good all being consistent size. By changing them to caps-on-first, they all look like starts of sentences. Ugly. |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:04:00 -
[86] - Quote
After playing with the new font for 4 hours, I went back to the old font with a sigh of relief.
Yes, its readable...but its horrid on the eyes for extended periods of time. It also really doesn't work in well with the UI at all. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
30
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:32:00 -
[87] - Quote
Redundant Report from the Redundant Redundancy Department of Redundancy:
Font is too big for normal screens, probably good if you have a big TV or something In chat; names should have some way of distinguishing themselves from normal text (bold font for names) Linking items, etc doesn't seem to work. FONT IS TOO BIG! |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
6
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:21:00 -
[88] - Quote
Right now my only complaint is that the new font looks a little big. Ideally I'd like to see everyone be able to select their own font size, but I have no idea what this would entail (I seem to remember something about this in the past, and it breaking all kinds of overview stuff).
I wouldn't call it perfect yet, but as is, it's a HUGE improvement over the current font. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.01 20:43:00 -
[89] - Quote
Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it.
Some of those issues have already been raised (and in some cases fixed) internally, the Q has for example been fixed
I'll be creating defects on some of the other issues. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Vin Hellsing
74
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Posted - 2011.10.01 20:46:00 -
[90] - Quote
I'm not very comfortable with the current font. I'm too resistant to change, I guess. ^-^ At the very least, let us pick which font we use in our clients. I'd appreciate that. |
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John Rourk
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 21:15:00 -
[91] - Quote
Major bug: you still can't use ~ ingame |
namelessclone01
blackbox ops
1
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Posted - 2011.10.01 21:55:00 -
[92] - Quote
Not sure if it has been mentioned anywhere, and i'm only basing this observation on the pics from the devblog, but this is what i'm reading when looking at this image: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2208/2401/escmenunew.jpg
"Snow tutorials" (or is it "tutonals"?) "Snow infiicted nit notifications" etc etc
I would not call this font particularly readable just from that picture alone.
Edit: Basically, all "high" letters, such as h, d, b, t, f, look pretty much terrible. And the combination of "ri" looks atrocious. |
Brynseldimer
Vermelho Escorpia
0
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Posted - 2011.10.02 02:43:00 -
[93] - Quote
I'm not sure if this has been covered, but periods are nigh invisible with this new font and commas aren't much better. Likewise, colons and semicolons are difficult to see. |
Athreya
Far Eastern Domen SOLAR WING
1
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Posted - 2011.10.02 07:40:00 -
[94] - Quote
Brynseldimer wrote:I'm not sure if this has been covered, but periods are nigh invisible with this new font and commas aren't much better. Likewise, colons and semicolons are difficult to see. Font without shadow will look different on different color backgrounds. Need to add shadows first then look again.
The question is why dont hire good artist to make new font for the game? The artist who is specializing in vector graphic and pixelwork. I can also work with photoshop, but I would never start new font, because I know there are people who can make this work better then myself. Where is old font designer?
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Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2011.10.02 07:53:00 -
[95] - Quote
The new font is alright.
It is better than the old one for sure, but it can still be improved upon a lot.
- Its a little big, make it smaller or at least the option for it to be smaller.
- It doesn't really fit the EVE style, it should try to be at least slightly integrated into the science fiction atmosphere. Keep it readable but make it suave.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.02 11:47:00 -
[96] - Quote
Font is too big, and ugly. I suggest using Arial font, it looks better.
Sample: http://www.netsky.org/eve/carbon/newfontconf.png
onflagration L instead of Conflagration L |
Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
0
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:14:00 -
[97] - Quote
I tested the new font on both a 22" and 24" screen and it is 30% too large. I need to cover alot more space to get the same informations that I get now with overview, directional scanner and chat windows open. Ugleb > and [alliance members] won't log in so long as their core members are demotivated for whichever reason is in flavour this week |
Krispy Dingo
Strangers in a Strange Land
8
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:28:00 -
[98] - Quote
Vestor wrote:If I may recycle Krispy's imagery, I'd like to point out that interpunction is near impossible to see in many places, e.g. the Security level and the time. Also, the character spacing (horizontal width between chars) is excessive. My overview needs to be nearly fullscreen@ 1920x1440 to be able to see name, speed and traversal columns (ok I'm exaggerating but not a lot)
I have the font size set to 13 because I'm playing on a 42" TV, any smaller and I can't read it. Smaller font settings should help with everything showing better. Website Twitter Curator of the EVE Podcasts MegaFeed |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.02 16:01:00 -
[99] - Quote
Athreya wrote:Brynseldimer wrote:I'm not sure if this has been covered, but periods are nigh invisible with this new font and commas aren't much better. Likewise, colons and semicolons are difficult to see. Font without shadow will look different on different color backgrounds. Need to add shadows first then look again. The question is why dont hire good artist to make new font for the game? The artist who is specializing in vector graphic and pixelwork. I can also work with photoshop, but I would never start new font, because I know there are people who can make this work better then myself. Where is old font designer?
There was a font specialist who made the font. I didn't make it myself CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
189
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Posted - 2011.10.02 16:15:00 -
[100] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Athreya wrote:Brynseldimer wrote:I'm not sure if this has been covered, but periods are nigh invisible with this new font and commas aren't much better. Likewise, colons and semicolons are difficult to see. Font without shadow will look different on different color backgrounds. Need to add shadows first then look again. The question is why dont hire good artist to make new font for the game? The artist who is specializing in vector graphic and pixelwork. I can also work with photoshop, but I would never start new font, because I know there are people who can make this work better then myself. Where is old font designer? There was a font specialist who made the font. I didn't make it myself
Well the real question in the end is what changes are going to be made before font hits tranq... ? Will players get some options? Have the issues with font size being adressed and will there be actions to fix them?
I have really bad hunch that this will be dejavu of Incarna launch. People get 3 more quarters and ship spinner back, but they lose totally working font and are unable to select it back from options screen. They get pissed because many of these issues and boom - we have perfectly fine expansion turned to disaster again.
Some answers would be kewl and it is perfectly ok to think ahead and fear for the worst. I'm just trying to ring fair heads up "warning bell" here. Obviously you people are the ones who make the decisions and form your future.
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:25:00 -
[101] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Athreya wrote:Brynseldimer wrote:I'm not sure if this has been covered, but periods are nigh invisible with this new font and commas aren't much better. Likewise, colons and semicolons are difficult to see. Font without shadow will look different on different color backgrounds. Need to add shadows first then look again. The question is why dont hire good artist to make new font for the game? The artist who is specializing in vector graphic and pixelwork. I can also work with photoshop, but I would never start new font, because I know there are people who can make this work better then myself. Where is old font designer? There was a font specialist who made the font. I didn't make it myself Well the real question in the end is what changes are going to be made before font hits tranq... ? Will players get some options? Have the issues with font size being adressed and will there be actions to fix them? I have really bad hunch that this will be dejavu from Incarna launch. People get 3 more quarters and ship spinner back, but they lose totally working font and are unable to select it back from options screen. They get pissed because many of these issues and boom - we have perfectly fine expansion turned to disaster again. I remind that people wanted fix to "I1, O0, 5S, 6G&, 8B"-issue and _option_ to choose font size. Someone made decission to reinvent the wheel (again) and create own font to fix the issues. Now we have expensive new font which fixed some old issues issues but caused many brand new ones. People are still unable to choose font size. Well spent subscription fees again. If you licenced "arial unicode ms"-font it is really difficult to understand why didn't you just use it for everything. It has fixed width numbers, is very readable even with smallest 8 pixel height and scales to what ever size you want. It has nice dot and comma. "n" and "h" look like "n" and "h". Letter "a" has nuff spacing on left side. "La" doesn't look like the "L" would be inside the "a". Now look back to the goals: 1. Fix "I1, O0, 5S, 6G&, 8B"-issue 2. Provide _option_ to choose font size. 3. Do not break anything what wasn't broken with old font. When you wake up in the morning when your font fix is about to go live, can you honestly say that these goals have been reached. Some answers would be kewl. It is perfectly ok to think ahead and fear for the worst. I may sound over dramatic, but really trying to ring fair heads up "warning bell" here. Obviously you people are the ones who make the final decisions and form your own future. Sometimes I may not agree with them but unfortunately as your customer I still have to live with 'em (as long I am paying the sub fees).
Some people actually like the new font and agree with us on that it's more readable. It is very hard to please everyone!
We will of course do our best to address all issues that have been raised here (other than the "OMG THE FONT IS UGLY" and other alike).
There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
189
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:35:00 -
[102] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote: Some people actually like the new font and agree with us on that it's more readable. It is very hard to please everyone!
We will of course do our best to address all issues that have been raised here (other than the "OMG THE FONT IS UGLY" and other alike).
There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
Yep this is pretty much what I was afraid of. However I appreciate the direct reply. At least now I know with what is coming and don't need to speculate. Thank you for being honest with me. Now it is my problem to find ways to adapt to the change. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
McFly
Peanut Factory Good Sax
17
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:43:00 -
[103] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:
There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
This makes a sad panda....
Screen Real Estate is everything in eve, and destroying our ability to cram as much information as we can on screen is very dissappointing. It took 6 years for us to get the ability to detach and move windows around decently, and now with this font you will be making it even more difficult.
Old Font should remain an option. Making the ui and minimum window spacing larger to accomadate the new font is not a solution, it's a hotfix to a problem the new font has created.
I know you want to make eve "shiny" but please stop alienating your existing player base for the possibility of gaining more subscribers. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:47:00 -
[104] - Quote
McFly wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:
There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
This makes a sad panda.... Screen Real Estate is everything in eve, and destroying our ability to cram as much information as we can on screen is very dissappointing. It took 6 years for us to get the ability to detach and move windows around decently, and now with this font you will be making it even more difficult. Old Font should remain an option. Making the ui and minimum window spacing larger to accomadate the new font is not a solution, it's a hotfix to a problem the new font has created. I know you want to make eve "shiny" but please stop alienating your existing player base for the possibility of gaining more subscribers.
Hmm.. actually a lot of players complain about the font being too small. So making it bigger is helping them out. It's mostly people who play on high resolution screens.
It makes me a sad panda that you feel like I'm alienating our existing player base when I'm just trying to make them happy
Because this font change is mostly for all the players that have complained about the old font (being too small, the letters looking the same etc.) - not to get new people to the game. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Brynseldimer
Vermelho Escorpia
0
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:54:00 -
[105] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
So why not just do this instead of doing a project that changes the font AND has to change the windows around as well anyway. I'd think for most parts of the UI, allowing upscaling (or downscaling) would be a much simpler and more effective choice. It also allows the players to choose how they want to have the UI displayed. I know the complications with not allowing other fonts because they won't fit in UI windows, but that's why UI scaling would be such a superior option.
You remember the fallout from not having spinning ships anymore right? Taking functionality away is never going to sit well with the players. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:57:00 -
[106] - Quote
I think they were- in general, complaining that it was small and unreadable. Now that its large and quite readable, it feels a little too large. In fleet battles, a good 40% of my screen is already full of UI windows, this is probably going to push that up to 60-70%.
I still think it's a step up from where we're coming from, but perhaps looking into a UI scaling project would be a good idea. |
Cedric deBouilard
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
29
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Posted - 2011.10.02 19:50:00 -
[107] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
Can we get anything on this "UI scaling project"? also, any news on neo-neocom? is it related to UI scaling thing? moar info?
if changing font-size is not a "direct" option, then UI scaling is critical. I have two screens, 26'' and 22'' and in one screen (26'') new font appears good and in the smaller one new font is kinda looks rough and bigger. (it "feels" as if wasting space - see the screenshots with comparisons? its that feeling) so new fonts are not evil, they actually let me differentiate between O and 0, B and 8 and really helps in bigger screens but feels like too big in small screens. yeah, you cant make everyone happy it seems, unless, of course, you give them the ability to scale UI |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.02 19:59:00 -
[108] - Quote
Cedric deBouilard wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project. yeah, you cant make everyone happy it seems, unless, of course, you give them the ability to scale UI
I'm pretty sure we can find some people who hate that too
But all I can say is that it's something that we want in. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Cedric deBouilard
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2011.10.02 20:30:00 -
[109] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Cedric deBouilard wrote:...] I'm pretty sure we can find some people who hate that too But all I can say is that it's something that we want in.
oh well true, this is eve, I can easily find things to hate you for, even if you somehow magically *fixed* the game and sent a couple exotic dancers to my Capt Quarters for free.
Now back on the font, one thing that bothers me is the text placement in limited spaces, such as tabs & buttons. If you center/place the text more accurately in the next SiSi patch, it is my belief many people will stop simply saying "the new font is ugly", when the placement/positioning is broken (not ideal), people say the font sucks, even tho its not actually a font problem. |
Psychophantic
56
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Posted - 2011.10.03 01:44:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote: It is very hard to please everyone!
Option : New font / Old font.
Done. |
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flank steak
Ancient Malevolence Rage Alliance
25
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Posted - 2011.10.03 02:21:00 -
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Could you please make this optional
I am still young an I can read the old font really well but now when i look at the new font it looks like a cheap font for a 800x600 screen |
David Magnus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.03 02:51:00 -
[112] - Quote
Logged into SiSi today and noticed a couple things right off the bat. Not sure if these have been addressed but I took a simple screen shot that shows the problem.
Please see: http://i.imgur.com/wdU6Z.png http://i.imgur.com/rjBQh.png
The first letter of a couple of the items is cut off, also none of the stacking numbers fit in the boxes.
This is on Windows 7 Pro 64bit, on an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560Ti in fixed windowed mode at 1920x1080 resolution.
Thank you very much! |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
87
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Posted - 2011.10.03 03:17:00 -
[113] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Athreya wrote:Brynseldimer wrote:I'm not sure if this has been covered, but periods are nigh invisible with this new font and commas aren't much better. Likewise, colons and semicolons are difficult to see. Font without shadow will look different on different color backgrounds. Need to add shadows first then look again. The question is why dont hire good artist to make new font for the game? The artist who is specializing in vector graphic and pixelwork. I can also work with photoshop, but I would never start new font, because I know there are people who can make this work better then myself. Where is old font designer? There was a font specialist who made the font. I didn't make it myself Well the real question in the end is what changes are going to be made before font hits tranq... ? Will players get some options? Have the issues with font size being adressed and will there be actions to fix them? I have really bad hunch that this will be dejavu from Incarna launch. People get 3 more quarters and ship spinner back, but they lose totally working font and are unable to select it back from options screen. They get pissed because many of these issues and boom - we have perfectly fine expansion turned to disaster again. I remind that people wanted fix to "I1, O0, 5S, 6G&, 8B"-issue and _option_ to choose font size. Someone made decission to reinvent the wheel (again) and create own font to fix the issues. Now we have expensive new font which fixed some old issues issues but caused many brand new ones. People are still unable to choose font size. Well spent subscription fees again. If you licenced "arial unicode ms"-font it is really difficult to understand why didn't you just use it for everything. It has fixed width numbers, is very readable even with smallest 8 pixel height and scales to what ever size you want. It has nice dot and comma. "n" and "h" look like "n" and "h". Letter "a" has nuff spacing on left side. "La" doesn't look like the "L" would be inside the "a". Now look back to the goals: 1. Fix "I1, O0, 5S, 6G&, 8B"-issue 2. Provide _option_ to choose font size. 3. Do not break anything what wasn't broken with old font. When you wake up in the morning when your font fix is about to go live, can you honestly say that these goals have been reached. Some answers would be kewl. It is perfectly ok to think ahead and fear for the worst. I may sound over dramatic, but really trying to ring fair heads up "warning bell" here. Obviously you people are the ones who make the final decisions and form your own future. Sometimes I may not agree with them but unfortunately as your customer I still have to live with 'em (as long I am paying the sub fees). Some people actually like the new font and agree with us on that it's more readable. It is very hard to please everyone! We will of course do our best to address all issues that have been raised here (other than the "OMG THE FONT IS UGLY" and other alike). There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
You idiots better give us the ability to use the old font. God damn it. Quit ruining our game. |
Athreya
Far Eastern Domen SOLAR WING
1
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Posted - 2011.10.03 04:33:00 -
[114] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:There was a font specialist who made the font. I didn't make it myself Of cause you gave orders and if font specialist made regular, not artistic font which does not fit the game well it is your problem. GÇ£A wise man's question contains half the answer.GÇ¥ |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.03 07:22:00 -
[115] - Quote
David Magnus wrote:Logged into SiSi today and noticed a couple things right off the bat. Not sure if these have been addressed but I took a simple screen shot that shows the problem. Please see: http://i.imgur.com/wdU6Z.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/rjBQh.pngThe first letter of a couple of the items is cut off, also none of the stacking numbers fit in the boxes. This is on Windows 7 Pro 64bit, on an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560Ti in fixed windowed mode at 1920x1080 resolution. Thank you very much! EDIT Another interesting font issue: http://i.imgur.com/w7oy8.png
Thank you
The item name cut off has been fixed and so has the fitting window issue, I'll take a look at the stacking numbers today. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Athreya
Far Eastern Domen SOLAR WING
2
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:20:00 -
[116] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:The item name cut off has been fixed and so has the fitting window issue, I'll take a look at the stacking numbers today. Still have percentage characters out of the rectangles of resist areas.
More problems: 1. Counter to lock tagret frequently does not fit locking rectangle as shown on the image below 2. Shield status in tooltip is difficult to understand, to many decimal digits here 3. Tooltip for modules has empty line
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/errorsfv.jpg/
4. Analyzing... has hardly readable 3 dots, looks like blured 5. Counter does not fit rectangle
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/survey.jpg/
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:47:00 -
[117] - Quote
Athreya wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:The item name cut off has been fixed and so has the fitting window issue, I'll take a look at the stacking numbers today. Still have percentage characters out of the rectangles of resist areas. More problems: 1. Counter to lock tagret frequently does not fit locking rectangle as shown on the image below 2. Shield status in tooltip is difficult to understand, to many decimal digits here 3. Tooltip for modules has empty line http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/errorsfv.jpg/4. Analyzing... has hardly readable 3 dots, looks like blured 5. Counter does not fit rectangle http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/survey.jpg/
thank you for this:)
1, 4 and 5 have been fixed, I'll take a look at the other. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Cirage
Son's of The Hammer
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 12:05:00 -
[118] - Quote
"You idiots better give us the ability to use the old font. God damn it. Quit ruining our game."
What's up with the language? Reading stuff like this make me wish I had a smaller font in my web browser.
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Li Charen-Teng
2
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Posted - 2011.10.03 12:27:00 -
[119] - Quote
I copied my setting files from Tranquility over to Sisi, so this is my live HUD on Sisi. I marked a few things that are obvious after looking at the image for less than 10 seconds.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9782/newfont.jpg Checking EVE GATE every few minutes... |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
86
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Posted - 2011.10.03 12:52:00 -
[120] - Quote
thank you! this stuff is really helpful CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Praerian
FireStar Inc Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 13:00:00 -
[121] - Quote
Could we have next to targeted items shield, armour and structure percentage remaining.
i.e. when sov grinding or shooting capitals would be nice to see that are indeed at 50% armour not trying to guess where we are actually at.
I don't think we need the SH, AR & ST just the percentages would be good. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
37
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Posted - 2011.10.03 14:02:00 -
[122] - Quote
LP store Offers filtered by: cuts off the Only in "Show Affordable Only" |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.10.03 14:18:00 -
[123] - Quote
Salpun wrote:LP store Offers filtered by: cuts off the Only in "Show Affordable Only"
Thank you :) CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 15:34:00 -
[124] - Quote
Hi again!
I have checked the new font on Sisi.
CCP Punkturis wrote:Some people actually like the new font and agree with us on that it's more readable.
I like it very much, it is more readble and much nicer then the old even on huge resolutions.
CCP Punkturis wrote:... there won't be a way to select fontsize. ... UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
Since I have asked just for this feature, I'm a bit dissapointed that we can't change the font size. Please start the UI scale project asap.
What about the font color change option? That would add a whole new way to customize the UI.
Peter |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
87
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Posted - 2011.10.03 15:39:00 -
[125] - Quote
Peter Drakon wrote:Hi again! I have checked the new font on Sisi. CCP Punkturis wrote:Some people actually like the new font and agree with us on that it's more readable. I like it very much, it is more readble and much nicer then the old even on huge resolutions. CCP Punkturis wrote:... there won't be a way to select fontsize. ... UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project. Since I have asked just for this feature, I'm a bit dissapointed that we can't change the font size. Please start the UI scale project asap. What about the font color change option? That would add a whole new way to customize the UI. Peter
I will only add font color change option with different shades of pink
(and no, we won't add that - sorry ) CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
87
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Posted - 2011.10.03 15:40:00 -
[126] - Quote
Praerian wrote:Could we have next to targeted items shield, armour and structure percentage remaining.
i.e. when sov grinding or shooting capitals would be nice to see that are indeed at 50% armour not trying to guess where we are actually at.
I don't think we need the SH, AR & ST just the percentages would be good.
You're feature creeping!! it is a good idea though. I'll see what I can do with it (not for the font changes though). CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 18:17:00 -
[127] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:(and no, we won't add that - sorry ) Aahhhhhhhh
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Li Mochou
Chien's Noobs
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:57:00 -
[128] - Quote
Just logged in to take a look at the different CQs...
Personally, I don't like the new font - it doesn't work. It looks messy and cluttered, reminds me strongly of late 90s linux desktops. Works best when text is fully capitalised, otherwise looks a bit like a free font.
It also seems much harder to scan, though of course am sure will get used to it.
For me it seems it, in general, would work better with significantly more padding; but then you would not be able to display as much information in the same amount of space (which is worse).
I don't mind it in the new log-in screens and large blocks of text. Just not for tables of information, tabs, etc...
FYI - I have 1400x900 resolution. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
91
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Posted - 2011.10.03 23:28:00 -
[129] - Quote
Cirage wrote:"You idiots better give us the ability to use the old font. God damn it. Quit ruining our game."
What's up with the language? Reading stuff like this make me wish I had a smaller font in my web browser.
All I see is a majority people telling them the new font is too large, and all they keep saying is well people want it larger, and they can't make everyone happy. They best learn to make all their customer's happy, or at least the majority, or that slope of active subs is going to keep declining faster and faster. It is the idiotic fearless corporate culture we have seen for the past two years that continues to perpetuate these poor game development decisions. Less fearless, more fearful, concerned, discerning, etc.
The font is too large. We do not like how it looks. Do not implement it as it stands. Rework it, redo it, and come back again for approval. Until you have it, do not go live with it.
People have played Eve for over 8 years with the current font. If it was "unreadable" people would not have been able to communicate in-game that entire time. This is obviously not the case. CCP needs to stop misrepresenting player sentiment internally to produce and change things which very few actual paying customers want or not, and moreso, do not want at all.
This font is terrible, and will affect all players way more than the CQ, or any other terrible change CCP has made lately. We can avoid docking, and turn off the CQ, but we will all be forced to see this terrible font wherever I go, whatever I am doing, and I can not stress enough how much I hate it, and many others do as well.
Not many people are currently aware of this new font, so the outrage has been relatively minimal, but almost entirely negative. Just wait until it goes live. It will be just like ship spinning. CCP will buckle after months of complaints and be forced to do what I am suggesting now. Rework it, fix it, and make something MOST people think looks good, is an appropriate size, and is "readable". |
Psychophantic
65
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Posted - 2011.10.04 00:07:00 -
[130] - Quote
To be fair there are a few people who will benefit from the larger font.
Those who are playing in their loungeroom on plasma and lcd tv's, and those playing it on laptops with ridiculous resolutions.
To say that it is a much called for change is a bit strange, I'm up to page 6 in the Issues board and see no mention of it.
I play on a 23" 1680x1050 and a 27" 1920x1080 and have no issues with and much prefer the current font. |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
196
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Posted - 2011.10.04 02:27:00 -
[131] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Cirage wrote:"You idiots better give us the ability to use the old font. God damn it. Quit ruining our game."
What's up with the language? Reading stuff like this make me wish I had a smaller font in my web browser.
All I see is a majority people telling them the new font is too large, and all they keep saying is well people want it larger, and they can't make everyone happy. They best learn to make all their customer's happy, or at least the majority, or that slope of active subs is going to keep declining faster and faster. It is the idiotic fearless corporate culture we have seen for the past two years that continues to perpetuate these poor game development decisions. Less fearless, more fearful, concerned, discerning, etc. The font is too large. We do not like how it looks. Do not implement it as it stands. Rework it, redo it, and come back again for approval. Until you have it, do not go live with it. People have played Eve for over 8 years with the current font. If it was "unreadable" people would not have been able to communicate in-game that entire time. This is obviously not the case. CCP needs to stop misrepresenting player sentiment internally to produce and change things which very few actual paying customers want or not, and moreso, do not want at all. This font is terrible, and will affect all players way more than the CQ, or any other terrible change CCP has made lately. We can avoid docking, and turn off the CQ, but we will all be forced to see this terrible font wherever I go, whatever I am doing, and I can not stress enough how much I hate it, and many others do as well. Not many people are currently aware of this new font, so the outrage has been relatively minimal, but almost entirely negative. Just wait until it goes live. It will be just like ship spinning. CCP will buckle after months of complaints and be forced to do what I am suggesting now. Rework it, fix it, and make something MOST people think looks good, is an appropriate size, and is "readable".
To be honest there has been quite a few positive replies also, but they are in different thread than this. However the font isn't live yet and as we all know, majority of players don't even read forums.
I for one have done very excessive testing about pros and cons of this update. I have weighted them and unfortunately there is plenty of more cons than pros on the table. Playing on 20" 1600x1200 resolution and font being too small hasn't been any issue so far - some single fonts have been little too similiar.
After this new font goes live, spinning numbers with variable width font will be horrible experience and I for one have been (and will be) dealing with those numbers on daily basis. Perhaps the ui department havent been playing with market orders too much? Having the wallet tabs as they are in test server at the moment pretty much proves the point... Have you even opened the wallet? That will be game breaker at least for me.
What comes to spaceflight this is how my ui changes from current. Picture isn't really too easy to interpret so lets just say that to keep all the windows what I use to keep open, I'll lose half of visible cargo slots, half of visible local names, all my chat windows will be slightly smaller and have much less and shorter rows in them. I won't be able to keep log open anymore and center "opening" loses about 3cm width. Game will still be playable with these modifications but I can honestly say that this is not an improvement - it is HUGE recession to my overview. This is the main reason why I still believe that when this well thought and executed font update goes to tranq - the reality bites back.
Lets say that half of the players think it is really good, nice or mostly ok. Quarter thinks there is something to fix but will live with it. Remaining quarter thinks that the size and other issues sucks ass. Is that a successful patch? How many percent were complaining about too small font? How many people were ready to write these kinds of "customer feedback forms" to make it better? Are there less sad pandas then? This is what I wait to see... :/
I've written few too many posts related to this already and I am truely sorry that I even have to. I am also sorry that specially you, Katr+¡n, have to be the one reading stuff like this. I'm sure you have done your share really well and without any bad intentions. Sometimes things just end up differently than can be expected. Obviously there is always someone we could point finger to, but that would not solve anything. Stuff go to tree butt ahead and learn that described activity was only recommended while coming down. Regardless of the method of learning and 1 week headache, the lesson has been learned.
I may be the guy in that tree and bark at the wrong reason (font in this case) now. If that is the case I'm twice as sorry about these "feedback"-sessions and will keep my remaining sad pandas to myself. After the head-ahead-ache vanishes I prolly see the font in better and more shining light also. However if this ends otherwise, make sure you got plenty of warm milk, understanding, consolation and place to start a zoo .)
Person can only be as good she thinks she is. Being proud of things she does is a good start. Keep up the work you're doing - that is what we (all?) want in the end.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.04 03:22:00 -
[132] - Quote
jesus christ just use Times New Roman, or Calibri it's all wrong, stop trying there are people who do this for a living buy from them,
the new one is worse than the old one the plug needs to be pulled now, pull the plug now or rage later, but it's always rage later right? |
Equto
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.04 04:34:00 -
[133] - Quote
I too hate the new font as my eve went from something that all the text seemed to "fit" to now everything seems to be creeping into the next windows area and some I think may be over extending out of the window. While I think that having all caps is stupid, at the current its better than this font and if It goes live I am not sure I could continue to play eve as it slightly hurts my eyes to currently look at. |
Kern Hotha
5
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Posted - 2011.10.04 06:00:00 -
[134] - Quote
I reiterate that if you're working this hard to shoehorn one font into the interface then you need to stop and refocus on actually designing a modern UI. There's no sense in putting all this time into an antiquated interface. |
Shahirahh Orgasana
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.04 13:25:00 -
[135] - Quote
A whole lot of this "new font versus old font" angst would be completely avoidable if CCP would just make the whole UI scalable, including the use of industry-standard font rendering APIs with user-selectable fonts and font sizing.
Personally, I like the new font for the most part (yes, including the larger size!), but it does still have issues and I hate to see so many people fret over it. I could actually live with the old font for awhile longer if CCP needed time to rebuild the UI so it could render fonts and windows the right way. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
46
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Posted - 2011.10.04 13:42:00 -
[136] - Quote
I found the official thread \o/
I agree that in some places it is a little too large - overview tables and the selected item panel can use a slight tweak smaller in size - 10% or so. It will save a lot of space overall for UI - I know a lot of pilots already are snug on UI space on smaller screens.
I'm sure some people will want it larger, I think that falls down on CCP working on implementing that into their code for customization. I think the gentleman a few posts above me made a thorough description of where things are clearly issues through images.
I also agree that on some of the tables it is challenging to absorb the information on a quick scan - specifically on larger tables of information. I'm trying to identify why exactly, and I feel it has to do with the negative space. Here's my theory - I think the font's negative space doesn't scale up so well for reading large amounts of table information, when you hit near what I would say is around the 12pt mark, which seems to be used in some important places, like the overview and the selected items. The negative space isn't an issue at smaller sizes, such as in the inventory or in the info panels - but as you get larger, the thinness of the font doesn't work out so well towards providing readability in the flow through the negative space to absorb the information smoothly in areas where a lot of data needs to be processed quickly.
Overview has to be readable in under 1/10th of a second. Seriously.
As a PVP Pilot, I have a lot of information to look at in under 10 seconds - check distance, check hp, check shields, check module cycles, check enemy health, check ally health, give 4 different orders to 10 different people, check local scanner for any incoming reinforcements, check local for population spike for ambush, do manual maneuvering to maintain range, listen to friendly comms about their status.
In the amount of time it takes one rep cycle to go off, I have to do all that - so reading the Overview doesn't mean bigger is better. On the overview I probably have about 10 columns up - Tag, Icon, Name, Type, Distance, Velocity, Radial Velocity, Corp, Alliance, Militia - and I need them to fit in a readable space. I think dropping 1 or 2 points on Overview and Market tables will improve readability even for those who prefer larger fonts. I think this applies to the markets, although the justification for 1/10th second reading time might not apply there. :) NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Lady SixSkies
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:52:00 -
[137] - Quote
I have just updated Singularity client in order to see new changes in effect.
As for the fonts, I just plain and simple don't like 'em. Yes, it is more readable than the previous one, fixes some issues as well, but it somehow looks wrong, and I don't think it has to do with getting used to it. I have 1920 x 1200 resolution and it looks too big. |
McFly
Peanut Factory Good Sax
18
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:43:00 -
[138] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Hmm.. actually a lot of players complain about the font being too small. So making it bigger is helping them out. It's mostly people who play on high resolution screens. It makes me a sad panda that you feel like I'm alienating our existing player base when I'm just trying to make them happy Because this font change is mostly for all the players that have complained about the old font (being too small, the letters looking the same etc.) - not to get new people to the game.
i play at 1920x1200, with 5 clients open most of the time, in all shapes and sizes to fit it on screen the way I like it. What I mean by screen real estate is that without the ability to scale the lowest screen res the client allows (1024x768) is horrible to use, windows that smashed down and worked fine are taking too much room. For a detailed overview with this font I'm being forced to dedicate 40% of the horizontal space of the client to fit the new font. Or we just stop using the details like velocity, corp, ally, transversal, etc...
That's where I'm having the issue. because I do play with small clients because I do play in nullsec and need scouts/tacklers/cynos/bridges/gunners on hand regularly. |
Yung Trim
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:15:00 -
[139] - Quote
Text changes on POS modules when you are on-lining a module at 1 minute remaining and lower.
Proof |
Lhorkas Thosis
Giza'Msafara
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 05:07:00 -
[140] - Quote
The problem of the new font is height and spacing. I think you're compelled to adjust the font to the size of each windows, tab, etc. The consequence is the total lack of regularity. Keeping good proportion size is what matter above readability of each letters and numbers which this new font fixes btw
The more you will try to adjust size, height and spacing to fit each window, the more irregular text will look. In the end, the readability will suffer.
For exemple, the overview has too many different sizes, the numbers are really too larges, texts are looking disproportioned. On the contrary, context menus feel nice because size, height, spacing are regular. I guess you have not to modify the font for context menus.
To conclude, the old hangar is going back (double-clic to open the active cargo, drag'n drop to change ship, yeah it is the old hangar!). Isn't it what we call a rollback ? Do not take the same path with your new font. Release a perfect work or do not. Doing a rollback means a fail in a way or another. |
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Tetractys
Falling Stars
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 07:21:00 -
[141] - Quote
Great work!
NB: New font is perfect under linux with wine 1.3.29 self compiled (any resolution!) |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:27:00 -
[142] - Quote
Yung Trim wrote:Text changes on POS modules when you are on-lining a module at 1 minute remaining and lower. Proof
Awesome, thank you :) I will take a look into this today! CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:27:00 -
[143] - Quote
Tetractys wrote:Great work!
NB: New font is perfect under linux with wine 1.3.29 self compiled (any resolution!)
woo! Good to hear :) Thanks! CCP Affinity | Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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captain curry
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:45:00 -
[144] - Quote
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/20111004023220.jpg/
Someone forgot to add the rounding code, its a minor issue but as seen here it spills over into other boxes. its also seen on displays on the interface if you have some odd buffer (Trimarks on armour, extenders on shields etc).
Having .61068427259 of a hitpoint displaying is needless imo, as seen here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/20111005104559.jpg/ (Also the text readout is broken, as seen here its actually set to absolute readout. Might not be a font issue exclusively however) DuckSex > my solution to solo pvp: create an alt account. hunt yourself. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:37:00 -
[145] - Quote
captain curry wrote:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/20111004023220.jpg/ Someone forgot to add the rounding code, its a minor issue but as seen here it spills over into other boxes. its also seen on displays on the interface if you have some odd buffer (Trimarks on armour, extenders on shields etc). Having .61068427259 of a hitpoint displaying is needless imo, as seen here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/20111005104559.jpg/ (Also the text readout is broken, as seen here its actually set to absolute readout. Might not be a font issue exclusively however)
This has been fixed CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:51:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:I found the official thread \o/
I agree that in some places it is a little too large - overview tables and the selected item panel can use a slight tweak smaller in size - 10% or so. It will save a lot of space overall for UI - I know a lot of pilots already are snug on UI space on smaller screens.
I'm sure some people will want it larger, I think that falls down on CCP working on implementing that into their code for customization. I think the gentleman a few posts above me made a thorough description of where things are clearly issues through images.
I also agree that on some of the tables it is challenging to absorb the information on a quick scan - specifically on larger tables of information. I'm trying to identify why exactly, and I feel it has to do with the negative space. Here's my theory - I think the font's negative space doesn't scale up so well for reading large amounts of table information, when you hit near what I would say is around the 12pt mark, which seems to be used in some important places, like the overview and the selected items. The negative space isn't an issue at smaller sizes, such as in the inventory or in the info panels - but as you get larger, the thinness of the font doesn't work out so well towards providing readability in the flow through the negative space to absorb the information smoothly in areas where a lot of data needs to be processed quickly.
Overview has to be readable in under 1/10th of a second. Seriously.
As a PVP Pilot, I have a lot of information to look at in under 10 seconds - check distance, check hp, check shields, check module cycles, check enemy health, check ally health, give 4 different orders to 10 different people, check local scanner for any incoming reinforcements, check local for population spike for ambush, do manual maneuvering to maintain range, listen to friendly comms about their status.
In the amount of time it takes one rep cycle to go off, I have to do all that - so reading the Overview doesn't mean bigger is better. On the overview I probably have about 10 columns up - Tag, Icon, Name, Type, Distance, Velocity, Radial Velocity, Corp, Alliance, Militia - and I need them to fit in a readable space. I think dropping 1 or 2 points on Overview and Market tables will improve readability even for those who prefer larger fonts. I think this applies to the markets, although the justification for 1/10th second reading time might not apply there. :)
P.S. Can we maybe get a screenshot of the overview and a variety of objects on it with the current font size and maybe a 1 pt smaller font size to compare? Showing at least most of these columns as well? Tag, Icon, Name, Type, Distance, Velocity, Radial Velocity, Corp, Alliance, Militia
you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big
it'll only be added for the overview though
and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
47
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:53:00 -
[147] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi
Will you marry me? NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:59:00 -
[148] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi Will you marry me?
haha! the nicest thing said to me on the forums yet CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
200
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:03:00 -
[149] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi That is one big improvement and very positive news. Thank you. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Simvastatin Montelukast
SACHEN. Mean Coalition
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:10:00 -
[150] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi Will you marry me? haha! the nicest thing said to me on the forums yet
Excellent idea idea for a "small font button". |
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
92
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:50:00 -
[151] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi
Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:19:00 -
[152] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi
\o/
I think that'll go a long way towards the "font is too big" comment I made pages ago, as that's one of the places I remember noticing it. It seems you guys are really trying to take player opinions into account, it may not be perfect, but I like that. Thanks
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Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:06:00 -
[153] - Quote
Please keep the old font as an option, please! |
Aidan Patrick
Aldebaran Foundation Tauri Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:35:00 -
[154] - Quote
Tiran'Sol wrote:Thank you for fixing the 0/O issue.
Yes, thank you... but now Q/O is a problem with the new font in uppercase. While the new font grows on you slowly... I dislike it because it looks very unrefined. It also looks extremely out of place in areas like the (WARPING) on the velocity bar. [ Loot Log: Small Functionality Update Request ] [ A New (Non-Combat) Exploration Idea ] |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
204
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:50:00 -
[155] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless.
Size wise really the most meaning full windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list". Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight.
If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:00:00 -
[156] - Quote
From the font screenshot i found that h and n looked almost identical, its like the line that extends form the h is just a pixel (or two) too short. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
93
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:12:00 -
[157] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless. Size wise really the most meaningful windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list". Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight. If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with.
What is crazy is that right now, you can pick whatever size font you want in the chat window, and I personally use the smallest, but what we are hearing is that going forward we will only have one size font in the chat window. Insane. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
105
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:38:00 -
[158] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless. Size wise really the most meaningful windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list". Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight. If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with. What is crazy is that right now, you can pick whatever size font you want in the chat window, and I personally use the smallest, but what we are hearing is that going forward we will only have one size font in the chat window. Insane.
uhm I don't know where you heard that but the fontsize functionality in the chat will just stay as it is.. no need to be spreading rumors here CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
105
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:38:00 -
[159] - Quote
Aidan Patrick wrote:Tiran'Sol wrote:Thank you for fixing the 0/O issue. Yes, thank you... but now Q/O is a problem with the new font in uppercase. While the new font grows on you slowly... I dislike it because it looks very unrefined. It also looks extremely out of place in areas like the (WARPING) on the velocity bar.
Both these issues have been fixed internally CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
93
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:04:00 -
[160] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:you know what we did? we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big it'll only be added for the overview though and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless. Size wise really the most meaningful windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list". Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight. If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with. What is crazy is that right now, you can pick whatever size font you want in the chat window, and I personally use the smallest, but what we are hearing is that going forward we will only have one size font in the chat window. Insane. uhm I don't know where you heard that but the fontsize functionality in the chat will just stay as it is.. no need to be spreading rumors here
Did not mean to. That is good news assuming me can make it as small as it is now. Last thing we need are our chat windows taking up more of the screen. |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
207
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:18:00 -
[161] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Did not mean to. That is good news assuming me can make it as small as it is now. Last thing we need are our chat windows taking up more of the screen. The font in member list panel of chats has been growing (and +/- buttons wont affect those fonts)... This means that if you want to see longer names like before, you need to shift the vertical divider little bit to the left. This would obviously shrink your chat box and to keep that in original size, you would need to increase the size of your chat window...
Easiest thing with that probably is to do nothing and learn to live with little shorter names. At least the beginning is easier to see now with font twice as large than in chat itself :) Not a game breaker but dunno about being an big improvement either.
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Kal Vekstras
Chaos Empire General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:46:00 -
[162] - Quote
Every issue I've found has already been mentioned, but for what it's worth, I'd like to add my opinion and respectfully disagree with the new font. I don't have the data to claim which way the majority of players fall on the issue, but it seems fairly split from this thread alone.
It's a wonderful thing that CCP is listening to people's complaints, and I recognize that some letters/numbers were very similar, but I've personally never had a problem with it and love the style.
More than anything, I'm startled that the dev response to implementing an option to switch between the two was so adamant. Is there a coding restriction that would make having both fonts available difficult? |
James Duar
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:24:00 -
[163] - Quote
I like that CCP is trying, but this new font is horrible.
Please please PLEASE just let us use any installed system font (this is basic functionality to do with OpenGL and DirectX) and then supply an "EVE font" that you want as a default. |
M4cD0g
Trifolium Incarnatum
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:21:00 -
[164] - Quote
There are a few simple rules to problems like this and they are very much Industry standard if it comes to IT.
1. Change the REAL issue not the backend.
In this case, have a Font artist work on the existing font to fix "I1, O0, 5S, 6G&, 8B" and make the font 1-2px bigger. This is the REAL issue.
2. Evaluate if a complete change of the backend fixes problems beyond the initial one or introduces more problems.
In your case, the font change does not fix additional issues. It fixes the problems but creates a huge amount of new problems and legibility issues that you did not have before. If you would have changed the backend to make the GUI scaleable, that would be ok, since it fixes a lot more issues, sadly thats a different Project, but choosing a quick fix over a long term solid fix is NEVER the right choice!
3. Does the change stay true to the original design?
You can't change any system without retaining its Identity. If you do that you are in a world of trouble. If you have a SciFi theme, stick to it. The new font breaks this rule.
4. If your feedback essentially stays the same don't change it.
Simply meaning, if you do a poll and 20% say they hate GREEN. You remove all GREEN, do another poll and suddenly 20% say they miss GREEN. In this scenario you did nothing, might as well just not bothered. In your case, i bet that at least the same amount that complained about font size and "I1, O0, 5S, 6G&, 8B" are now complaining about the lost screen space, ugly and not SciFi enough new font.
Sincerely, M4 |
Sethose Olderon
Gryphon Chancellery Gryphon League
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:07:00 -
[165] - Quote
As a Graphic Designer, and a Type Designer, this font makes my eyes bleed. Please go back and hire a real Type Designer and try again! |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
106
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:59:00 -
[166] - Quote
Sethose Olderon wrote:As a Graphic Designer, and a Type Designer, this font makes my eyes bleed. Please go back and hire a real Type Designer and try again!
I'm pretty sure the graphic designer/type designer who made the font doesn't like some of your work either
Thankfully, not everybody has the same taste in everything, is what I'm trying to say CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Milann Nightwind
The Rising Stars The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 11:06:00 -
[167] - Quote
Something came to my mind when you said that this will speed up the loading. Since brackets seem to be made up of text rather than images, will this make things run smoother with brackets on in space as well? If not, then perhaps you could look into whether something similar can be done in that area based on the same solution? :) |
Kozmic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:54:00 -
[168] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:uhm I don't know where you heard that but the fontsize functionality in the chat will just stay as it is.. no need to be spreading rumors here
While you're at it, please add an option to remove character portraits from chat windows. |
Kal Vekstras
Chaos Empire General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:17:00 -
[169] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:I'm pretty sure the graphic designer/type designer who made the font doesn't like some of your work either Thankfully, not everybody has the same taste in everything, is what I'm trying to say
I'm sure that this is true, and of course people's taste's will differ, as the replies on this thread show. Some love the new font, some love the old font.
What I'm afraid of is that after having paid a graphic/type designer for this new font, CCP will be reluctant to let that money go to waste, even to the extent of ignoring how many players my oppose the change.
Not that opposition should ever be rude, and not that a majority like or dislike it. But if it should come down to as many players disliking the change as liking it, then money will have been spent for no net benefit. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
108
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
Kal Vekstras wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:I'm pretty sure the graphic designer/type designer who made the font doesn't like some of your work either Thankfully, not everybody has the same taste in everything, is what I'm trying to say I'm sure that this is true, and of course people's taste's will differ, as the replies on this thread show. Some love the new font, some love the old font. What I'm afraid of is that after having paid a graphic/type designer for this new font, CCP will be reluctant to let that money go to waste, even to the extent of ignoring how many players my oppose the change. Not that opposition should ever be rude, and not that a majority like or dislike it. But if it should come down to as many players disliking the change as liking it, then money will have been spent for no net benefit.
A lot of people hated the old font when that was added too.. and a lot of people liked it.. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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botcher0
WYNX Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:52:00 -
[171] - Quote
I appreciate your effort, the Fonts are crucial to a game like EVE, where you have to read that much in the interface.
But the one shown in the Screenshots are way to round and have too much squiggles (I hope its the right word). It would fit good to a Fantasy Game, but not to a Sci-Fi Game like EVE. |
Kal Vekstras
Chaos Empire General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:14:00 -
[172] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Kal Vekstras wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:I'm pretty sure the graphic designer/type designer who made the font doesn't like some of your work either Thankfully, not everybody has the same taste in everything, is what I'm trying to say I'm sure that this is true, and of course people's taste's will differ, as the replies on this thread show. Some love the new font, some love the old font. What I'm afraid of is that after having paid a graphic/type designer for this new font, CCP will be reluctant to let that money go to waste, even to the extent of ignoring how many players my oppose the change. Not that opposition should ever be rude, and not that a majority like or dislike it. But if it should come down to as many players disliking the change as liking it, then money will have been spent for no net benefit. A lot of people hated the old font when that was added too.. and a lot of people liked it..
Then the biggest concern at the moment seems to be the lack of data, although I'm sure CCP collects it's own. Maybe a poll for the old and proposed font styles could give an indication of player preference to both the devs and the players and at least quell dissent from one side or the other. :/
Alternatively, I'm still most strongly in favor of giving the option to each player personally. It seems like a win-win scenario that would please all involved, but I don't think we've gotten any clarification on why that wasn't going to be an option. There may very well be coding issues that I'm unaware of, but from a layman's perspective, it seems like there's no downside. |
Thurken
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:26:00 -
[173] - Quote
The font on Sisi is better readable than the old one, but looks a little bit big sometimes.
I prefer monospaced fonts like Dina: http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Jibz/Dina/ You can draw nice tables with thaat, which would be awesome in EvE. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
96
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:41:00 -
[174] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Kal Vekstras wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:I'm pretty sure the graphic designer/type designer who made the font doesn't like some of your work either Thankfully, not everybody has the same taste in everything, is what I'm trying to say I'm sure that this is true, and of course people's taste's will differ, as the replies on this thread show. Some love the new font, some love the old font. What I'm afraid of is that after having paid a graphic/type designer for this new font, CCP will be reluctant to let that money go to waste, even to the extent of ignoring how many players my oppose the change. Not that opposition should ever be rude, and not that a majority like or dislike it. But if it should come down to as many players disliking the change as liking it, then money will have been spent for no net benefit. A lot of people hated the old font when that was added too.. and a lot of people liked it..
Quit trying to justify or rationalize using this new font. The current font was implemented 7 years ago? Are you kidding me that you are comparing that font to this one? We have played for years with the old one, and love it or hate it, it is better than this new one. Quit tryign to tell yourself we are wrong. This new font sucks. We are the customers, we are right. You are here to make a font we approve of, not you. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
810
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:13:00 -
[175] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Quit trying to justify or rationalize using this new font. The current font was implemented 7 years ago? Are you kidding me that you are comparing that font to this one? We have played for years with the old one, and love it or hate it, it is better than this new one. Quit tryign to tell yourself we are wrong. This new font sucks. We are the customers, we are right. You are here to make a font we approve of, not you.
this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it
the new font is an obvious improvement despite some flaws and your self-entitled tantrums aren't helping the designers figure out the tweaks they need to fix before launch |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
810
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:15:00 -
[176] - Quote
also punkturis added ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ into the new font so step off |
Lieutenant Brooker
Space Morons Something Posing As Meat
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:08:00 -
[177] - Quote
Personally, I don't like this new font at all. Seems to round and childish to me for some reason; the current font looks great and matches more so, I think. It looks more sci-fi as opposed to this new stuff. I've always liked the smaller text. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
96
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:01:00 -
[178] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Quit trying to justify or rationalize using this new font. The current font was implemented 7 years ago? Are you kidding me that you are comparing that font to this one? We have played for years with the old one, and love it or hate it, it is better than this new one. Quit tryign to tell yourself we are wrong. This new font sucks. We are the customers, we are right. You are here to make a font we approve of, not you.
this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it the new font is an obvious improvement despite some flaws and your self-entitled tantrums aren't helping the designers figure out the tweaks they need to fix before launch
I don't bad Mittens. The existing font is fine, they just need slight tweaks to it. Not a complete revamp. Adding your oh so loved tildes is great and all, but there is no need to make the overview look like crap and need to be way bigger than it is already. I have given plenty of constructive feedback about the font, as many others have as well. Primarily, make it smaller, tighter, and more like the one we have, but make zeros and ohs look a bit different. Huge changes, and a total revamp are not required.
All of this could be solved, very easily, by making the current font or the new font a choice. Seriously, no one has any reason to complain if both are available. Same as Incarna should have been.
Good CSM, and I appreciate your efforts, but yeah, don't care about what you think about my posts or my feelings about this new font. You can nerf my super all you want, as they have hurt this game, but nerf my font, when it is not needed at all, and I will ***** and moan like a little girl with a scraped knee. |
Athreya
Far Eastern Domen SOLAR WING
2
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:40:00 -
[179] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:All of this could be solved, very easily, by making the current font or the new font a choice. Seriously, no one has any reason to complain if both are available I think there are two different versions of GUI (english/deutch, russian) and devs trying to use newer russian for all languages to reduce workload in the future. Otherwise why dont just stay with old font and fix problems in it. Probably not compatible.
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Rinkata Kimiku
R Metal
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 10:46:00 -
[180] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:A lot of people hated the old font when that was added too.. and a lot of people liked it..
So, make an option to choose font. Those who like old one, can keep it, others may use new one.
And guys, i mean capsuleers in the thread, be easy, please. Don't need so much aggression. And sorry for my English. ) |
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Duran 35
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 15:25:00 -
[181] - Quote
I am an old fart and need a new prescription for the glasses I wear. New font is a big improvement for me. Me likes! |
Kal Vekstras
Chaos Empire General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.10.08 18:15:00 -
[182] - Quote
Athreya wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:All of this could be solved, very easily, by making the current font or the new font a choice. Seriously, no one has any reason to complain if both are available I think there are two different versions of GUI (english/deutch, russian) and devs trying to use newer russian for all languages to reduce workload in the future. Otherwise why dont just stay with old font and fix problems in it. Probably not compatible.
If this is true, then CCP should point it out. "Using a single font for all language versions would reduce the workload in the future." That may not be a reason everyone likes or accepts, but at least it's a reason. At the moment, the lack of an official reason why we can't have the option to choose between the two fonts is making the entire discussion far more difficult.
Lots of people love the old font, and lots of people want the change, so I'll pose the question to CCP again. Why can't we have the option to choose between them? An official answer will go a long way to making this a civil discussion. |
Athena Incursion
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:32:00 -
[183] - Quote
Please remove all use of roman numerals in Eve. They just add confusion. Simple numbers will work just fine.
Please don't create a new font. Just license and use a standard font crafted by people who are experts at font development. Eve developer time should be spent on FiS and font pros will do a better job than you
I don't mean any disrespects in these comments. The prototypes shown so far are weak if not worse than the existing font. A poor rollout of an imperfect font could have a very large negative impact on eve. Does it really makes to do this design in-house? Just use a proven font.
Thank you |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
111
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Posted - 2011.10.10 13:22:00 -
[184] - Quote
Kal Vekstras wrote:Athreya wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:All of this could be solved, very easily, by making the current font or the new font a choice. Seriously, no one has any reason to complain if both are available I think there are two different versions of GUI (english/deutch, russian) and devs trying to use newer russian for all languages to reduce workload in the future. Otherwise why dont just stay with old font and fix problems in it. Probably not compatible. If this is true, then CCP should point it out. "Using a single font for all language versions would reduce the workload in the future." That may not be a reason everyone likes or accepts, but at least it's a reason. At the moment, the lack of an official reason why we can't have the option to choose between the two fonts is making the entire discussion far more difficult. Lots of people love the old font, and lots of people want the change, so I'll pose the question to CCP again. Why can't we have the option to choose between them? An official answer will go a long way to making this a civil discussion.
I don't know what this person is talking about but it has been stated a few times before (and in the dev blog as well) that the new and old font don't render together so you will not get the option of choosing between the two fonts. sorry, but here is your reason (again:P). CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
102
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Posted - 2011.10.10 14:05:00 -
[185] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:I don't know what this person is talking about but it has been stated a few times before (and in the dev blog as well) that the new and old font don't render together so you will not get the option of choosing between the two fonts. sorry, but here is your reason (again:P).
Unacceptable.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
141
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Posted - 2011.10.10 14:42:00 -
[186] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote: Acceptable.
Fixed that for you, I must say after being a bit sceptical after 8 years of the old font I liked the new font, no big huge change except for the fact that everything is very readable. I like it.
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noise
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:33:00 -
[187] - Quote
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Unacceptable.
It's very acceptable twitterer | blogger |-ápodcast co-host |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
118
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:36:00 -
[188] - Quote
Athena Incursion wrote:Please remove all use of roman numerals in Eve. They just add confusion. Simple numbers will work just fine.
Please don't create a new font. Just license and use a standard font crafted by people who are experts at font development. Eve developer time should be spent on FiS and font pros will do a better job than you
I don't mean any disrespect by these comments, but the prototypes shown so far are weak if not worse than the existing font. A poor rollout of an imperfect font could have a very large negative impact on eve. Does it really make sense do this design in-house? Just use a proven font.
Thank you
I don't know where you got the impression that I, a programmer, designed the font I'm just working on the implementation of it. There was a font designer who made the font.
I've been working on FiS for a long time now (as a part of Team BFF) and yes, a new font is a part of FiS.. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
115
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:30:00 -
[189] - Quote
noise wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Unacceptable.
It's very acceptable
I guess we will see just how acceptable it is once it is implemented in game. I will be back to say I told you so.
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Athreya
Far Eastern Domen SOLAR WING
2
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Posted - 2011.10.13 04:15:00 -
[190] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote: ... new and old font don't render together...
Recreate old font in a way to be compatible with new font/GUI and add an option to choose font. |
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Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:34:00 -
[191] - Quote
I don't think you should just change the font of the whole game for everyone. I think you should incorporate multiple fonts. Give people a chance to Chose what they like. Trajan Pro is a good font and it's easy to read. o0O The the font used on the Forums is decent too. Just to allow people a choice in fonts would be amazing. ^_^ |
neur0zen
x Kami x
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 02:21:00 -
[192] - Quote
EL TITAN wrote:PLEASE PLEASE MAKE THE FONT BIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BEG YOU, MY EYE,,, BEG YOU!!!!! +1 We can already choose the font size but it will be really nice to have a greater choice of sizes especially for those who play with a big screen. Choosing different fonts would be great too. Otherwise the new font seems really pleasant. |
CaptainCreep
Cinaam Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:03:00 -
[193] - Quote
The newer font is cool but on the options window, I find it far better to read if there all caps. At least add the option of how you want it to be. Just a box, that you check if you want the lowercase alternative... |
Arin Nailin
Recycled Heroes
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:32:00 -
[194] - Quote
I appreciate the fonts getting some love but it still looks like a developer is calling the shots on these fonts. I know you're probably used to the look of these fonts because windows has crap font rendering, but I'm spoiled by mac. Even linux has nicer font rendering.
So I have two requests: * Make font size changes global, I like everyone else would like to play eve on a big res. Currently I lower my res before launching even because the fonts are just so small all over the game. * Rock this like I know you can. You have tons of smart people, I know you can do it right, but the current screenshots are not even close to good enough for what I expect from CCP.
This does not compare favorably. (fonts as rendered by mac vs fonts on Sisi: http://cl.ly/2y1132021g3Q2v2J3w06)
In the meantime, thank you so, so, so much for spending some dollars on this. It's one of those things that makes such a huge difference. We really appreciate it. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
122
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:47:00 -
[195] - Quote
Arin Nailin wrote:I appreciate the fonts getting some love but it still looks like a developer is calling the shots on these fonts. I know you're probably used to the look of these fonts because windows has crap font rendering, but I'm spoiled by mac. Even linux has nicer font rendering. So I have two requests: * Make font size changes global, I like everyone else would like to play eve on a big res. Currently I lower my res before launching even because the fonts are just so small all over the game. * Rock this like I know you can. You have tons of smart people, I know you can do it right, but the current screenshots are not even close to good enough for what I expect from CCP. This does not compare favorably. (fonts as rendered by mac vs fonts on Sisi: http://cl.ly/2y1132021g3Q2v2J3w06) In the meantime, thank you so, so, so much for spending some dollars on this. It's one of those things that makes such a huge difference. We really appreciate it.
This screenshot, isn't it just from the devblog? It was written over a month ago. The font is back on SiSi now so I encourage you to go and try it out there and see what you think. We've come a long way since the devblog was posted
CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
121
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Posted - 2011.10.21 00:19:00 -
[196] - Quote
Can someone post a screenshot of the new font on duality? |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
323
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Posted - 2011.10.23 09:57:00 -
[197] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:The font is back on SiSi now so I encourage you to go and try it out there and see what you think. We've come a long way since the devblog was posted Um... you sure because the font on "my" SiSi looks pretty identical with the old font?
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
122
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:32:00 -
[198] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:The font is back on SiSi now so I encourage you to go and try it out there and see what you think. We've come a long way since the devblog was posted Um... you sure because the font on "my" SiSi looks pretty identical with the old font?
when I posted this, my statement was correct CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
324
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:09:00 -
[199] - Quote
Ah... It is just me getting old and slow then :)
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David Xavier
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:35:00 -
[200] - Quote
This is getting confusing.. could somebody ( developer or a self proclaimed ninja) make a high resolution screen capture of this elusive new font type with characters of least the English alphabet present ( the more the better ) ?
Would be better to judge that than jumping to conclusions based on unfinished code. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
124
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:24:00 -
[201] - Quote
David Xavier wrote:This is getting confusing.. could somebody ( developer or a self proclaimed ninja) make a high resolution screen capture of this elusive new font type with characters of least the English alphabet present ( the more the better ) ?
Would be better to judge that than jumping to conclusions based on unfinished code.
It should be back on SiSi soon CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Sarmatiko
145
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Posted - 2011.10.31 14:14:00 -
[202] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:It should be back on SiSi soon Can you confirm UI resize feature? Is it in early development stage or will be delivered in winter expansion?
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
124
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:44:00 -
[203] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:It should be back on SiSi soon Can you confirm UI resize feature? Is it in early development stage or will be delivered in winter expansion?
you'll see soon CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Tarra Nobilii
Imperial Shadows Ayn Sof Aur
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:29:00 -
[204] - Quote
Just wanted to provide my feedback after loading Singularity. The new font seems rather DOS-ish....the old font, as flawed as it may have been, did create a unique game feel. Furthermore, the new font is easier to read..but that could easily be because the font size is clearly larger. On the settings screen, there are some issues as the font remains jumbled amongst the settings and is unreadable.
I strongly support the old font...then again I am Amarr and struggle with change. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
125
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:36:00 -
[205] - Quote
Tarra Nobilii wrote:Just wanted to provide my feedback after loading Singularity. The new font seems rather DOS-ish....the old font, as flawed as it may have been, did create a unique game feel. Furthermore, the new font is easier to read..but that could easily be because the font size is clearly larger. On the settings screen, there are some issues as the font remains jumbled amongst the settings and is unreadable.
I strongly support the old font...then again I am Amarr and struggle with change.
there are some new features that are missing labels and therefore are way too long and the text gets jumbled, that should be fixed soon though CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Verone
Veto Corp
107
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:20:00 -
[206] - Quote
Christ almighty... the new font looks TERRIBLE.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Serican Grind
Caldari Research and Technology The Phoenix Regime
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:51:00 -
[207] - Quote
Unfortunately, this font both looks to "edged" and "jagged". Worst yet, upon launching sisi earlier today and looking at the new font it gave me a headache made me nauseous. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:23:00 -
[208] - Quote
Well I think it is one of the cleanest fonts I've ever read. Fantastic piece of work!
Very well done and thanks
Wish I could use it on my ebook reader |
Natalinnux
RaVeN Alliance RaVeN Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 22:29:00 -
[209] - Quote
it hurts my eyes. do not want. |
Isnaar
Unseen Nomads Exiled Ones
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 22:46:00 -
[210] - Quote
I'd like to provide some feedback regarding the font issue. I greatly appreciate attempts to improve gaming experience via changing old font to new, easier to read one which despite some overlapsing issues looks really well. BUT I consider old font to be one of major components contributing to this unique and attractive game feel. If the new font is to stay I'd love to have choice between new font and old font. New font is much bigger and for people that know what is where and what are they looking for it can make finding some things harder, because items in menus will be much bigger and they will require more space, which could be used to show more positions in old font. It feels like CCP feels the need to take something good away, didn't work with spinning so now the font is on target.
tl;dr: If the new font has to stay at least give us possibility to use ol' good font that we love so much. I don't like new one. |
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Alexandria Aesirial
Masons of New Eden The Laughing Men
2
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Posted - 2011.11.02 05:44:00 -
[211] - Quote
The new font is easier on the eye but not as good looking as the old one. Ermmm...cough * There's no relative balance in the size of the text. In summary, make the font size the same as it was before and change only the font. It's only blobbing when you lose, otherwise it's good fleet comp. |
botcher0
WYNX Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:37:00 -
[212] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:I don't know what this person is talking about but it has been stated a few times before (and in the dev blog as well) that the new and old font don't render together so you will not get the option of choosing between the two fonts. sorry, but here is your reason (again:P).
That's no explanation. We do not want 2 fonts at the same time, we need an option to choose one or another. If switching the font on the fly is not possible, then maybe you should rework on the codebase until it is, and then work on a new font. And no, i'm NOT kidding.
Did i tell you, that the ugly new font looks like from a cheap asia-grinder? Yea, i think i did. Nevermind. |
Geldorf Drakar
Aperture Harmonics K162
1
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:55:00 -
[213] - Quote
From my understanding, the new font is supposed to fix issues with readability, like differentiating between '0' zero and 'o' oh. However, in 8 years of playing EVE, I can't recall a single instance that I've ever had trouble with the readability of the font style.
The proposed new font style looks to me to be larger than it needs to be, detracting from the clean look of the interface that the current font provides, and is far too bold in that it feels like it is projecting out into my view, rather than remaining unobtrusive until needed like the current font. It is jagged, thin, and overly expanded in dimension.
Furthermore, I actually like most of the labels being in all capital case characters, doing so makes the labels feel more linear, and more like the labels that they are. The new font and capitalization styling makes them feel like they should be starting a sentence, not labeling something. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
9
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Posted - 2011.11.03 07:26:00 -
[214] - Quote
I despise the new font. I've always liked the old one.
The new font looks like a child scribbled letters on my monitor with a pencil.
The numbers are bloated and horrible.
My wallet transactions will take more vertical space, and most things will take up more horizontal space. more paging thru items to get the same information. OVERVIEWS are going to require more vertical space, and that's something that will bring you some ire from the customers. That's just the tip.
I hate that it's not fixed-width.
I prefer the clean look of all caps, sure it's less informal, but a computer ( either in a station or in a starship ) is feeding you data.
I don't like it, at all. Aesthetically it's bad. And it takes up more precious UI space to do the same job as the old font, so it's less efficient.
Give us the option of keeping the old font, or don't do it. Learn from Incarna. Plenty of folks wanted WiS just like plenty of folks want a new font. Don't take away the option of using the old font we've had for 8 years, just like you should'nt have taken away ship spinning when you gave those folks incarna.
Offer us options? Great! Force a change because some folks want it and others don't, Bad!
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
9
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Posted - 2011.11.03 07:30:00 -
[215] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Kal Vekstras wrote:Athreya wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:All of this could be solved, very easily, by making the current font or the new font a choice. Seriously, no one has any reason to complain if both are available I think there are two different versions of GUI (english/deutch, russian) and devs trying to use newer russian for all languages to reduce workload in the future. Otherwise why dont just stay with old font and fix problems in it. Probably not compatible. If this is true, then CCP should point it out. "Using a single font for all language versions would reduce the workload in the future." That may not be a reason everyone likes or accepts, but at least it's a reason. At the moment, the lack of an official reason why we can't have the option to choose between the two fonts is making the entire discussion far more difficult. Lots of people love the old font, and lots of people want the change, so I'll pose the question to CCP again. Why can't we have the option to choose between them? An official answer will go a long way to making this a civil discussion. I don't know what this person is talking about but it has been stated a few times before (and in the dev blog as well) that the new and old font don't render together so you will not get the option of choosing between the two fonts. sorry, but here is your reason (again:P).
then dump the new font and keep the old one. Give the old one a re-size feature. Save some freakin time. This is incarna all over again, wasting dev dollars on something a few folks with bad eyesight want, and ramming it down everyone else's throat. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
9
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Posted - 2011.11.03 07:44:00 -
[216] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Some people actually like the new font and agree with us on that it's more readable. It is very hard to please everyone!
We will of course do our best to address all issues that have been raised here (other than the "OMG THE FONT IS UGLY" and other alike).
There won't be a way to use the old font and there won't be a way to select fontsize. That's because it's hard to maintain that in a UI window, if you make the font larger, it's not going to fit there anymore. UI Scaling would be a better way to sort issues with the fontsize, but that's another project.
seriously, some people liked staring at the incarna door.... and some people liked 80 dollar monocles. Is that your arguement here?
Have you lost subscribers because the font was a little hard to read? Do you have data on that?
Make the old font larger.
Or, take your own suggestion and make the UI Scalable.
The new font is horrid. It's doesn't reflect scifi - eve'ness.
and yes, OMG it's ugly.
You think that doesn't matter? That matters the most of all. Eve has often been compared to a fancy IRC client, or a pay-to-play spreadsheet game.
a HUGE percentage of your time in eve is spent starting at the font.
Far more often than the pretty nebulaes, or even the pretty ships ( especially when you took away ship-spinning, but we all know how that ended.)
Yes the font appearance matters far more than it's functionality.
whether it's pvp, chatting, or minging, or marketeering, or scamming, the thing you use the most relates to the font.
so take your piece of garbage font, and get rid of it. it sucks, we know it, you know it, and changing the font is NOT the answer to the readability issue.
SCALING IS, and you've mentioned that 'future project' yourself. So scrap this, and start on that. There's you're answer.
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Sniperdoc
Stargate Kommand
2
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:15:00 -
[217] - Quote
I play on two Samsung 206BW 20in 1680x1050 monitors. When I tried Sisi again, for the first time ever since I started playing Eve, I didn't have to lean forward and rest my elbow on my desk to play Eve. It sounds stupid, but because of the constant pressure of the elbow on my desk I actually developed Cupital Tunnel Syndrome... pinky and half of the middle finger goes numb because the cubital nerve gets pinched and damaged and can cause permanent damage/pain.
For those who are starting to bash on people because they can't see... I have 20/20 vision, no cataracts, no pterygiums. I have good eye health. But, I can't even imagine people that HAVE vision issues... Older folks who play Eve and have to wear their glasses, I can just guess that a good font change would be like heaven's angels singing.
Some more comments about the font here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29248&find=unread
My verdict: KEEP THE NEW FONT!!! |
Wightpants IV
British Legion NE CEDE MALIS.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 15:19:00 -
[218] - Quote
Posted this in another thread (didn't see the sticky, duh!)
Solhild wrote:Log into SISI and change the font size and UI zooming options, it'll serve much better than looking at a pic. Ok, I'm officially stupid, where are these options? I can't find them anywhere.
Ris Dnalor wrote:I'll be completely honest, those screen shots make me hate the new font even more. It looks like a child took a pencil and printed the letters onto the screen, rather than something that was generated by the computer.... and what's up with the numbers? they're huge and bulbous.... so now instead of looking thru 10 pages of wallet transactions, I'll have to look through 20 just to get the same amount of information?
Overviews are going to fill up with fewer targets..... I see sooo many problems.
I know some people have trouble reading the font, but that's not the only issue here that's relveant. UI space is at a premium, and why should the words begin to take up 150% or 200% of the space they used to if I can read them fine they way they are now? Well it seems we're in the minority here, but I have to agree. I have no problem with the current font presently on Tranquility. This new one looks like someone is writing a BASIC program on a Spectrum 48k. More importantly, I can only see about half as much information on screen at a time = major functionality impairment.
Either provide an option to keep the current font, or at least a way to resize it so that we don't lose functionality. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 01:24:00 -
[219] - Quote
Sniperdoc wrote:I play on two Samsung 206BW 20in 1680x1050 monitors. When I tried Sisi again, for the first time ever since I started playing Eve, I didn't have to lean forward and rest my elbow on my desk to play Eve. It sounds stupid, but because of the constant pressure of the elbow on my desk I actually developed Cubital Tunnel Syndrome... pinky and half of the middle finger goes numb because the cubital nerve gets pinched and damaged and can cause permanent damage/pain. For those who are starting to bash on people because they can't see... I have 20/20 vision, no cataracts, no pterygiums. I have good eye health. But, I can't even imagine people that HAVE vision issues... Older folks who play Eve and have to wear their glasses, I can just guess that a good font change would be like heaven's angels singing. Some more comments about the font here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29248&find=unreadMy verdict: KEEP THE NEW FONT!!!
and scaling the current font larger would fix your problem without making eve look stupid. functionality doesn't have to be ugly. |
Psychophantic
91
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Posted - 2011.11.04 03:34:00 -
[220] - Quote
Sniperdoc wrote:I play on two Samsung 206BW 20in 1680x1050 monitors. When I tried Sisi again, for the first time ever since I started playing Eve, I didn't have to lean forward and rest my elbow on my desk to play Eve. It sounds stupid, but because of the constant pressure of the elbow on my desk I actually developed Cubital Tunnel Syndrome... pinky and half of the middle finger goes numb because the cubital nerve gets pinched and damaged and can cause permanent damage/pain. For those who are starting to bash on people because they can't see... I have 20/20 vision, no cataracts, no pterygiums. I have good eye health. But, I can't even imagine people that HAVE vision issues... Older folks who play Eve and have to wear their glasses, I can just guess that a good font change would be like heaven's angels singing. Some more comments about the font here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29248&find=unreadMy verdict: KEEP THE NEW FONT!!!
1680x1050 on 20" and fonts are too small?
I don't blame your eyesight, I don't blame CCP, I blame monitor manufacturers.
27" is the smallest I'd go for 1920x1080 and 23" is the smallest I'd go for 1680x1050 even then my parents have to lower the res on theirs.
I mean now they're making 21" 1920x1080....
Either wait for a scalable UI or drop your resolution.
Old font forever. |
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Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc The Matari Consortium
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:09:00 -
[221] - Quote
We really need to have the font scalable. I am blessed with pretty good eye sight and it the moment it's a bit "My First Space Sim" because of the size of the text.
Mainly the overview tbh, so much info in there already that this font size makes it take half the screen to be usable.
-CJ
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:08:00 -
[222] - Quote
fonts need to be available in up to at least 24 pt as well please.
users who play on a TV monitor are going to have an especially hard time with this new font |
Absent Sentry
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:26:00 -
[223] - Quote
There is still a lack of shadows around most text, from in-space to chat windows and overview. Can you tell I have a stack of brackets expanded and have something selected? I barely can.
Side note for Overview haters: Open Overview Settings > Appearance > Use Small Font. |
Party Lips
Blackened Skies
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:35:00 -
[224] - Quote
I like the font, easy to read woo. |
DeepGray
Green Goo Project
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:13:00 -
[225] - Quote
Only issue I found with the new font is in the angular velocity column in the overview.
To reproduce the problem just add that to the overview and warp to somewhere with moving objects (NPCs or other players) on grid. |
Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:38:00 -
[226] - Quote
Font size, especially in overview, is bit to large for my taste. Can we adjust it? |
Ms Stopheles
The Gullwings
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:12:00 -
[227] - Quote
Please let us change the font size. It is too large for my taste - especially the overview, as stated by others. |
Kandreath
De Re Metallica Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:33:00 -
[228] - Quote
the font looks nice but.... from the sign in screen I spotted a layout issue with the 'esc' menu. The result is overlapping text.
overlapping text screen shot |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:39:00 -
[229] - Quote
W i d e r F o n t W i d t h O p t i o n P l e a s e? |
Jiji Hamin
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:48:00 -
[230] - Quote
In the OK-FEM constellation in Delve the text in the pop-up about the Blood Raiders holy site clips off the side of the pop-up. presumably there are similar issues with other lore-related pop-ups at landmarks, cosmos constellations, etc throughout the game.
Also, there is an issue that the text is pure-white with no shadow in space, which can get obscured by the son or other bright objects in space. this could be difficult, for example, if slsecting a planet or asteroid belt to warp to in an emergency without using the rightclick menu or the overview.
Finally, at first I was uncertain about the font, but now I have grown to love it. My buddy and I are chatting as we wander around and look at the new nebulae, etc, and as I get used to the new font I am realizing that it is just perfect. +1. |
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Rion Deteisan
Forged Prophets
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:47:00 -
[231] - Quote
Zeros and commas are bad imho. - 0 looks like 8. the line in the zeros makes everything look messy. - commas look like periods.
font separation width seems far. - F o n t s e p e r a t i o n w i d t h s e e m s f a r.
LEAKED: NEW Amarr CQ Ambient Sounds!! |
Jiji Hamin
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:50:00 -
[232] - Quote
Rion Deteisan wrote:Zeros and commas are bad imho. - 0 looks like 8. the line in the zeros makes everything look messy. - commas look like periods.
font separation width seems far. - F o n t s e p e r a t i o n w i d t h s e e m s f a r.
the cross through the zero is something that should be utilized more, not just in eve but everywhere. the commas, however, do indeed local identical to periods. |
ovenproofjet
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
20
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:20:00 -
[233] - Quote
Tbh I'm not really a fan of this font, really seems to make Eve look a bit too "Comis Sansy". The old font, whilst it has it's faults at least looks slick, sci-fi like and futuristic, it "fits" Eve's look.
I can see the benefits of the new font, but it does just seem out of place somehow. I think because its a little too big size wise, it doesn't quite fit the proportions of all the windows, buttons and menus.
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Rion Deteisan
Forged Prophets
1
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Posted - 2011.11.05 08:19:00 -
[234] - Quote
Jiji Hamin wrote:Rion Deteisan wrote:Zeros and commas are bad imho. - 0 looks like 8. the line in the zeros makes everything look messy. - commas look like periods.
font separation width seems far. - F o n t s e p e r a t i o n w i d t h s e e m s f a r.
the cross through the zero is something that should be utilized more, not just in eve but everywhere. the commas, however, do indeed local identical to periods.
The zeros look like old paper printing calculators form the 1980's. Its a font that is only used on the cheapest of software applications. (for some reason i can tell the difference from 0 and O in excel..) Wait a second.. i can tell the difference here in the forums, too.
commas need more exaggeration. would be nice to choose between 1,000.00 and 1.000,00 (first way is best way and makes more sense)
LEAKED: NEW Amarr CQ Ambient Sounds!! |
Thaylon Sen
The Istari Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.11.05 08:51:00 -
[235] - Quote
Where's the 'Expanded Font' option gone! I cant read it properly now, bring it back or give us a font size option! |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
115
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Posted - 2011.11.05 09:48:00 -
[236] - Quote
It looks like you guys removed some of the important features from the font recently; I can no longer tell the difference between small L and capital i. They look exactly the same!
What happened? |
Tarchus
3 Parshi
2
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:28:00 -
[237] - Quote
Hello
- The font size is too big. I am using the 10 size, but it's still too big ( Especially the System Name in upper left corner ) - The font is very disproportionate: It's taller than usual ( bigger height than width )
I'd like very much like to be able to chose from the existing font on TQ and the current font on SiSi.
My final vote: I really don't like the current font on Sisi. Not because i am used with the font on TQ, but because i am very picky. :) I work with fonts very much, as well. |
Kern Hotha
8
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:35:00 -
[238] - Quote
The font is too skinny. Some characters are indistinguishable. Links aren't underlined. |
Blue Harrier
12
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:54:00 -
[239] - Quote
IGÇÖve tried the new fonts on both a high res 1920 * 1200 24GÇ¥ monitor and a 1366 * 768 15GÇ¥ laptop and both seem ok so far the 24GÇ¥ I left at 100% and the laptop I reduced to 90%.
But, the overview on both machines when set to GÇÿuse small fontsGÇÖ although it did allow the text to fit the columns better it did make the text rather GÇÿthinGÇÖ and made the icon display almost vanish in the column. The square icon for a station was the worst.
For anyone needing small text in your overview, open the overview settings and find the small select box in the menu.
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Siigari Kitawa
Ironclad Forge No Kings
3
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Posted - 2011.11.05 13:44:00 -
[240] - Quote
Hi.
The new font looks unsophisticated, and like it was taken out of a non-OpenType font library. It looks like a font that came out of any generic MMO that has terrible fonts, and because of that it brings along that stigma of no polish and poor development time spent.
Our current font - despite some readability issues - could be tweaked to fix those. The new font makes my eyes hurt. I can't read anything, information looks jumbled and disorganized and worst of all the zeroes are a bane to read because they throw my eyes out of place.
I can't read it well. Also it looks too sharp and not round enough. I, like many others in this thread would kindly request you rework the current font. It can be done! |
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Wightpants IV
British Legion NE CEDE MALIS.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:16:00 -
[241] - Quote
Ok, it looks a bit better now, but it's still too S P R E A D O U T
I'm missing information in the overview. Unless I make it considerably wider of course, and cover up all the new nebulae and my lovely ship. |
Nonnori Ikkala
Love for You Forsaken.Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 15:47:00 -
[242] - Quote
Strong supporter of the new font here, and especially no longer having forced all caps. Still some issues that have to be tweaked; I hope links to imgur to illustrate are okay.
First, in most places were there are tabs, the vertical position of the font is about 1 pixel too low. See the first five screenshots here.
Second, the numbers for velocity and ammo seem too large and misplaced, see for example.
I agree that commas look too much like periods.
I and l (uppercase i and lowercase L) still are too nearly identical.
I'm split on whether the font is too goofy looking for a hard sci fi space game.
edit: I see, on the map, that system names, landmark names, "you are here," and "waypoint" are sill all caps. That should be fixed. |
Blue Harrier
12
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:47:00 -
[243] - Quote
As noted above and having tested a bit more might I suggest the text in all tabs is centre aligned in the vertical plain and not bottom aligned as now. When a tab does not have focus the bottom of the text is obscured by the outline of the current selected window.
Also a small bug in PI; When in planet view, Left click a Launch Pad, Left click the storage icon, Hover the mouse over any goods and a long black tooltip will open but be completely blank. I think it should display the contents in numerals.
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Persephone 66
Catocalypse Meow ZOMBIE KITTY FORCE
1
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Posted - 2011.11.06 07:49:00 -
[244] - Quote
I think the new font is too big and bold. I didn't see anything wrong with the old one. |
Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
65
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Posted - 2011.11.06 10:34:00 -
[245] - Quote
Larger font-size is much better. But font itself is... a little off for a sci-fi theme I think. Still, larger is better. I don't have to strain to see the overview contents now. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Alain Kinsella
8
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:28:00 -
[246] - Quote
Got to see the font for the first time this morning, looks good. Wish that was in place during the roam I was in last night. :-)
Regarding the choice of font itself, I don't see a severe problem with that. Most are probably complaining about the zero - it looks like what I used to see on my TRS-80. I'll personally take that trade-off though since the numbers are critical to see accurately, and they're mostly expected to 'look like that' where they're seen the most - Overview.
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:30:00 -
[247] - Quote
In most places I like the new font, but in the overview, the essential central window of EVE, it's generous size makes it hard to get all the information I want without extending the OV across a third of the screen or something. A smaller font size in the overview would be great. |
Psychophantic
98
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:32:00 -
[248] - Quote
Alain Kinsella wrote: since the numbers are critical to see accurately, and they're mostly expected to 'look like that' where they're seen the most - Overview.
Cause we were constantly mistaking 500m/s for 5OOm/s.
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NOGC BLAST
Lions Of Judah Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:57:00 -
[249] - Quote
I don't like the new font at all, fact is I think it's horrible.
However a lot of people seem to like it, and I understand why it needs to be changed, but I don't think this is the right font for the job. In some places it's bulky and very heard to use, in some it's weird looking and heard to read, this font confuses me and it's taking me more time to navigate menus.
I suggest something more like the current font on the live server with some small edits to some letters and numbers that are often confused for each other to make them more clearly different, not changing the the entire font in every menu.
Infact at first I thought my client window had been hacked or something when I saw a cheap looking font, it all looked very botched and I was concerned, and did not want to login for fear of some sort of hacked fake patch.
Clearly that is not the case as I looked it up on the forums here and my fears were put to rest. But the fact it drew concern means there is something wrong with the change.
I've said my peace, now I will shut up and leave it to CCP.
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Murtific
Snuff Box
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 16:59:00 -
[250] - Quote
New font is pretty bad. It makes everything so unorganized and makes me feel like I'm playing a "B" rated game that i can download off of steam for $5 bucks.....
The old font was not so "White" on the overview, it hurts the eyes with sustained game play.
Ammo Quantities in turrets/launchers while in space are hard to read and should be bigger or reverted to the old font style that is currently on TQ.
Links are now "white"? Why, this makes it more difficult to see that there is a link.. Revert it to the old style. People are going to spam jita anyway lol..
When you click on a ship in space, the font looks good. If the spacing and size can be pasted to the entirity of the game and to every menu, it will look much better. Especially if it isn't so damn WHITE.
The font is far to WHITE in the Skill-> History tab, Standings, Security status, and employment history.
The font is of a good color in the Skills tab, Jump Clone.
These are only a few that i notice are pretty crap............... |
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The Lelik
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:57:00 -
[251] - Quote
The new Font is easy readable and it's GREAT!!! Also UI-Scaling function is AWESOME!!! Thank you guys! Keep up the Good work! |
Graifazig
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:11:00 -
[252] - Quote
The font at 100% GUI scale is way to large. Overview and other GUI elements now take up way too much space in my opinion. I have to scale the GUI down to 90% to get a slim interface similar to that before the new font. Unfortunately the GUI downscale also shrinks every button which makes human interaction with the interface harder.
I'd request to use a smaller base font size, because it's sad that we now get to see less of the game and more of the windows and tables than before ... |
Graifazig
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:16:00 -
[253] - Quote
...
please delete |
Jake Centauri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:46:00 -
[254] - Quote
Please add a way to customize the size / bold attribute of windows such as the market window.
As it is on Sisi now, the market window entries are far too bold and cause eye strain. |
Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
17
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:57:00 -
[255] - Quote
When i started playing EVE I loved how every little details added to the atmosphere, like the old Warp Drive Active text in roman-like font.
The new font looks like it's made for MS-DOS, not a sci-fi game. Readability is great but it dosnt fit the game, I'd rather keep the current TQ font. Also the overview is too large now. |
Jake Centauri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:21:00 -
[256] - Quote
Captain Alcatraz wrote: Also the overview is too large now.
They added an option in Overview Settings to reduce the size of the text. That was the first thing I looked for when I undocked as, yes, the default font is too big and bright. I'm really concerned about all this new bolding. |
Janosik
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:16:00 -
[257] - Quote
Old font was a lot better.
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Siigari Kitawa
Ironclad Forge No Kings
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 08:56:00 -
[258] - Quote
CCP has been on a slow moving trend over the course of many years of destroying the game's visual appeal in the UI. I'm just going to leave a link to this old picture here, the feature of which I miss very, very much.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/siigari/warpdriveactive.gif |
Gramacy
Lazy.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 09:40:00 -
[259] - Quote
The small font for overview at 100% of GUI looks fairly bad, with wrong kerning and blurry letters everywhere. It's also hard to see the commas and dots. 0.0 system names for stargates are good examples of this.
I think the font at small sizes doesn't look right, but that may be due to the kerning being wider than usual and taking up too much space in an UI that was designed for the old font. It looks like the font is too big generally at 100%, and if I switch to 90% it looks better but then the UI is too small . Can you try to make them closer in size to the current UI font?
On TQ the vast majority of text are in a subtle white/grey colour (which isn't the same as light grey that's used in Sisi chat or in notepad/MOTD) that looks pretty good while not being too dark. On Sisi, many of the colours are just white, and so looks ugly, at odds with the rest of UI. I would like to see the white/grey back as default text colour.
Oh and bring back the capitalization for headings Seeing things like 'Warp Drive Active' and 'Nothing Found' not capitalized doesn't look right... |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2011.11.09 12:03:00 -
[260] - Quote
font size is better than the old, BUT i think it is too wide. you loose much space. is it possible to make it more condensed in width?
in context menus the text seems very dark/grey (compared to e.g. text in overview or market), i would also like it brighter...
could we get an option to set the font color for the text ourself? like you can do now for the background? more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
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Lan Trobair
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:33:00 -
[261] - Quote
UnEve-like? I don't think the old font was recognizably very Eve-like. Do you all want a BSG font or something?
This new font is far more readable than previously. BOLDED ALL CAP text for some reason is not quite as readable. I don't know if its spacing or too many lines going in the same direction, but it is busier somehow.
The scaled UI really makes a difference. No more screwing up my resolution to enlarge the text. I find I do not need a big change with the new font to read comfortably. For the record I'm nearly 20/20.
The first level in the context menu chops off all bookmarks, at 12 and 13, to where I cannot tell similar bookmarks from each other. Making folders would clean this up neatly, but we will never make that first step in the bookmarking process. Could we scale the context menus also? |
gama69
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 06:54:00 -
[262] - Quote
A bit late to the party...
The problem with the font is the chunkiness of it. Sure it is easy to distinguish O from 0 but at the cost of aesthetics. It is an interesting balancing act.
There are quite a few good monospaced fonts that scale down nicely. My favorite being ProFont, I use it for programming and my consoles. You can get it here: http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/
I would love to see the option to be able to choose my own font for the UI. |
Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
19
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:37:00 -
[263] - Quote
Why no forum font ingame? Modern fonts can be well readable w/o looking like it's taken from MS-DOS |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
46
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:50:00 -
[264] - Quote
Wightpants IV wrote:Ok, it looks a bit better now, but it's still too S P R E A D O U T
I'm missing information in the overview. Unless I make it considerably wider of course, and cover up all the new nebulae and my lovely ship.
What he said. I don't really mind the new font (I think it's completely horrible compared to the old one, but I can live with it), but seriously, the amount of information displayed just got cut by 50%. The market window, the overview and "show info" require gigantic amounts of space to display the information they displayed before.
I'd scale down the UI (in fact I did), but that scales down everything else too, which, for some portions, I don't like.
I'd really only want the letters to be together more tightly, much like the old font, and for gods sake, please let us reduce the font size. It's ridiculously big. Try buying something. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2011.11.11 00:42:00 -
[265] - Quote
Captain Alcatraz wrote:Why no forum font ingame? Modern fonts can be well readable w/o looking like it's taken from MS-DOS
Exactly, CCP by reinventing the wheel you will have a new font that will be not much better than the existing one.
Have you guys tried in-house using some common fonts like Verdana?
Actually, can you let us pick which font to use ingame?
Why so stubbon on inventing a new font? |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:57:00 -
[266] - Quote
I'm using UI scale 90%.
Text selection bug http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6913/20111111013157.png Text selection bug http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9986/20111111013246.png Font size test, size 8 UNREADABLE http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6620/20111111013322.png Font size test, size 9 UNREADABLE http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5105/20111111013330.png Font size test, size 10 UNREADABLE http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4070/20111111013335.png Font size test, size 11 http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8448/20111111013346.png Font size test, size 12 http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4791/20111111013354.png Font size test, size 14 http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6951/20111111013402.png Font size test, size 18 http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3727/20111111013416.png Font size test, size 24 http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1885/20111111013424.png Menu font size 9 becomes too small to read http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6992/20111111013622.png
Also notice the channel tabs are too small to read. |
Mal Darkrunner
Zero Tau Research Institute
25
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Posted - 2011.11.11 08:40:00 -
[267] - Quote
Please give us the option to reduce just the font (not the entire UI including HUD, icons, buttons, etc.) to roughly the current TQ size. It'll need to be readable at this size too...
Alternatively give us the option to disable the new font and continue using the old one.
Some of us still use normal-sized screens that run at 1280x1024 - we don't want to have to buy a 30" screen just to be able to display the same amount of information as we can currently. |
Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
4
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:56:00 -
[268] - Quote
As of 11/11: If I use 110% scaling and make an overview tab with the name set just a single capital P, its cut off. |
Nig Idu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:34:00 -
[269] - Quote
it is all too S P A C E D O U T. can we get color control of the text itself??? |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:58:00 -
[270] - Quote
The new font is terrible because of all the reasons above... CCP please don't try to design font because you're not good at it... just BUY a good one FFS... |
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Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:51:00 -
[271] - Quote
I like the new font, but there are quite a bit of strange artifacts when using scaling down. Letters bleeding into each other , which makes the scaling a bit pointless. Some are even visible at 100% like the letters on tabs bleeding into the line underneath it. Sample here: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/NamDnilb/Clipboard01.png |
Opertone
Signal 7
6
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:45:00 -
[272] - Quote
it's all messy.
I like old eve font for the UI, goes well with EvE.
CCP we need UI font size, my eyes bleed at 1900-1200, some guys have higher rez. Need resizable UI fonts.
I get headache after half an hour of market and contracts. SIZE, SIZE! I need to EMPHASIZE! |
Circumstantial Evidence
25
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Posted - 2011.11.12 02:57:00 -
[273] - Quote
I just have one small problem now, and this is at 100% with no UI scaling.
Decimal points in an icon's item quantity box are too hard to make out, I'm not sure if 12.6k is 126k. Please make decimal points and commas bigger or more distinct.
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Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2011.11.12 19:02:00 -
[274] - Quote
After roughly an hour, even with the UI scaled to 90%, I had to shut off SISI before I started throwing up from the font.
Its far too sharp and even harder to read than the current font. I am no where near 20/20 vision and I could read the old font just fine. The new font is just waaaaay too sharp and not EVE-like as I'd hoped. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2011.11.13 17:11:00 -
[275] - Quote
I know CCP is not going to change the font. But this is my personal ideal font for EVE:
A monospaced san-serif font that is easy to read at all scales, with a twist for a sci fi game:
Due to the nature of EVE information is vital, and a monospaced font will make it easier to format for example tables or copied data. Also it will make everything neater in any form of space excel (overview, market etc). It needs to be easy to read because there are many things in EVE are written in paragraphs. It needs to be legible at all scales because text in EVE are generally small. It needs to feel stylish enough in a way that it feels part of a futuristic scifi interface.
Right now, the new EVE font fails to achieve ANY OF THE ABOVE. I am a little mad.
A font fitting my description will be similar to Concolas or Eurostile or Bitstream. Letters perhaps more on the square side than round to continue the EVE font tradition.
Actually I just came across this font on the internet which looks pretty perfect for EVE to adopt: PragmataPro
CCP CAN WE HAZ BETTER FONT
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el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:45:00 -
[276] - Quote
Jodis Talvanen wrote:Actually I just came across this font on the internet which looks pretty perfect for EVE to adopt: PragmataPro i tend to agree. this looks eveish, yet clearly readable. not sure mono-spaced is needed for everything though... for numbers definitely, but several text elements could be proportional to save space.
more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
Tarn Kugisa
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 09:45:00 -
[277] - Quote
I think that font should be changeable instead of hardwired into the files. |
Justin Bieber
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:31:00 -
[278] - Quote
Tarn Kugisa wrote:I think that font should be changeable instead of hardwired into the files.
This would be ideal.
However, I'd settle for an option to switch between the new or the old font. |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:04:00 -
[279] - Quote
custom font, custom font-color monospaced for numbers, variable width for text
resizable UI is pretty nice feature though! i expect many people to embrace it. more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
CorryBasler
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
2
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:31:00 -
[280] - Quote
hate the new font, its to big and looks stupid |
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Dasani Waters
Involuntary Trepanation Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:32:00 -
[281] - Quote
An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi.
http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
241
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:40:00 -
[282] - Quote
Dasani Waters wrote:An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg
are those links to show an info window on something/someone ? CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:49:00 -
[283] - Quote
Dasani Waters wrote:An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg indeed. this should be changed! more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
Circumstantial Evidence
25
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Posted - 2011.11.15 21:21:00 -
[284] - Quote
Restore item link color in chat windows - pretty please yes.
And make decimal points bolder in icon item quantities, please |
Imrik86
Gypsy Kings Wiki Conglomerates
12
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Posted - 2011.11.15 21:59:00 -
[285] - Quote
The new font is a much welcome improvement.
* The new font is not A L L C A P S like the old one * The new font is not U N PR O PE R LY HI N T E D like the old one * The new font is not CONDENSED like the old one * Numerals are discernible * The new font seems to be 1 or 2 points bigger
All that collaborates to greater readability. Still, people with higher resolution screens will need a way to chose font size. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:55:00 -
[286] - Quote
Jodis Talvanen wrote:Actually I just came across this font on the internet which looks pretty perfect for EVE to adopt: PragmataProCCP CAN WE HAZ BETTER FONT
Quoting for relevance, also please see this picture which explains some problems I have
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9032/20111115233157.png
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Bemoliph Ashriden
4
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Posted - 2011.11.16 02:34:00 -
[287] - Quote
At "why so bold", there is a bug where all chat text actually is forced to bold. You can see it if you start typing in the input box, make half of it bold, compare the two, then compare again after sending. Sent it as a bug report (118656) alongside effectively invisible text (118652) and the known colorless links (118653), so hopefully they get fixed in time. |
Wata Keshive
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 08:21:00 -
[288] - Quote
Aerilis wrote:I agree it has greatly improved legibility and that's good, but the new font just seems too.... round. Doesn't seem sci-fi at all.
Just my 2c, make with it what you will.
Agree, it feels too roundisch for EvE.. Tthe new font is much more readable then the old one. Thats very positiv. But it somehow feels not right for EvE. It does not contribute very much or even brake to the immersion of flying through space in a dark, cold futuristic world.
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Wata Keshive
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 08:22:00 -
[289] - Quote
Wata Keshive wrote:[quote=Aerilis]I agree it has greatly improved legibility and that's good, but the new font just seems too.... round. Doesn't seem sci-fi at all.
Just my 2c, make with it what you will.
Agree, it is too roundisch... for EvE.
The new font is much more readable then the old one. Thats very positiv. But it somehow feels not right for EvE. It does not contribute very much to (or even brake) the immersion of flying through space in a dark cold futuristic world. |
Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 08:29:00 -
[290] - Quote
individual words/characters are more readable but sentences are worse. spacing is very odd and makes it difficult for scanning. the font is also too big.
I just feels.... ugly |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
252
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:59:00 -
[291] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
61
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:02:00 -
[292] - Quote
new text was
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows[/quote]
CCP Punkturis got ganked |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
61
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:06:00 -
[293] - Quote
Salpun wrote:new text was
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows
CCP Punkturis got ganked[/quote]
If the right click menues where still 100% size 90% would still be readable for all. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
256
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:30:00 -
[294] - Quote
el alasar wrote:Dasani Waters wrote:An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg indeed. this should be changed!
I forwarded this to the relevant people CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Gramacy
Lazy.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:33:00 -
[295] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Dasani Waters wrote:An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi. http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg are those links to show an info window on something/someone ? Links to info windows (chars/items, etc) are white in chat windows, but links to fittings are yellow.
The font looks better than last patch, but the spacing could do with a little tweaking, and the font in chat windows shouldn't be bold really, and make the names stand out more from chat text. Not sure if ISD/GM/CCP names are different colours (recently it was just the text, not the names). If not, they should be coloured. |
Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:41:00 -
[296] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows
Can we go lower then 90%? Moar space for windows is win++. My eyes are prefectly fine so the more info I can get crammed in the smaller space the better :)
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:04:00 -
[297] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels.
Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore.
And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot. |
Simvastatin Montelukast
SACHEN. Mean Coalition
4
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:47:00 -
[298] - Quote
Jodis Talvanen wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels. Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore. And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot.
Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens)
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:16:00 -
[299] - Quote
Simvastatin Montelukast wrote:
Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens)
Use (or copy) this font PragmataPro |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
328
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:29:00 -
[300] - Quote
Simvastatin Montelukast wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels. Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore. And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot. Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens)
We're not really scaling the font when we're scaling - we're scaling the whole UI. You can read more about how it works in my dev blog on UI Scaling. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:58:00 -
[301] - Quote
...so when scaling down, the font breaks because pixel-based fonts do that when you scale them down with simple image scaling.
Not sure if that's easily fixable. Perhaps more advanced image scaler for UI elements?
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
330
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:31:00 -
[302] - Quote
Salpun wrote:Salpun wrote:new text was
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows CCP Punkturis got ganked
If the right click menues where still 100% size 90% would still be readable for all.[/quote]
you can set your context menu font to size 12 (system menu -> general settings), and then scale to 90%:) CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
61
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:58:00 -
[303] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Salpun wrote:new text was 90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows Quote:
CCP Punkturis got ganked
If the right click menues where still 100% size 90% would still be readable for all. you can set your context menu font to size 12 (system menu -> general settings), and then scale to 90%:)
context is seperate from the scaling so it does not matter what order you do it in.
I like the 11points with 90% for clearity but if you added a little more space in the context menus between letters at 10 and 9 allot more people would use them. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
129
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:40:00 -
[304] - Quote
Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have links turned Yellow like they used to be?
It's really hard to identify links when they're just bolded, it's not obvious enough that there is a link there.
There's many reasons that this should be done, but I don't feel I need to emphasize this much more. Ease of use, clarity, visual indications, etc. NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Commander A9
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:55:00 -
[305] - Quote
I actually like the font as it is now. But, if the new font must be implemented, is there any plan for players to eventually select their own font style or size, the same as how they can select their own menu colors?
I know you can resize your chat font, but...perhaps I haven't found the resize controls for individual windows of the UI... |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
330
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:53:00 -
[306] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have links turned Yellow like they used to be?
It's really hard to identify links when they're just bolded, it's not obvious enough that there is a link there.
There's many reasons that this should be done, but I don't feel I need to emphasize this much more. Ease of use, clarity, visual indications, etc.
There were other people involved in that decision than me, so maybe you can make a special thread about it and I'll forward it to the right people? CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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mkint
345
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:24:00 -
[307] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have links turned Yellow like they used to be?
It's really hard to identify links when they're just bolded, it's not obvious enough that there is a link there.
There's many reasons that this should be done, but I don't feel I need to emphasize this much more. Ease of use, clarity, visual indications, etc. There were other people involved in that decision than me, so maybe you can make a special thread about it and I'll forward it to the right people? That is a really depressing dev response to that concern. Breaking functionality and blaming it on someone else. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:43:00 -
[308] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have links turned Yellow like they used to be?
It's really hard to identify links when they're just bolded, it's not obvious enough that there is a link there.
There's many reasons that this should be done, but I don't feel I need to emphasize this much more. Ease of use, clarity, visual indications, etc. There were other people involved in that decision than me, so maybe you can make a special thread about it and I'll forward it to the right people? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34616&find=unread |
Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2011.11.17 06:02:00 -
[309] - Quote
I find new cyrillic font quite bad. Some letters are hardly distinguishable (-ƒ and -¢ for example). The one on TQ now have much better look and feel. (playing on english client) |
Merciless1
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 06:26:00 -
[310] - Quote
In the dev blog it was said that "we wanted to come up with some elegant solution that would benefit players who play on giant HD TVs and those who play on their low resolution laptops."
I gave it a try on my 40 inch TV which is sit about 8-9 feet away from. I set the resolution to 1920x1080 and scaling to 125% (the highest I was able to set) and the text is still far to small for this to be a viable option. I think the size needs to be at least double if not more for this to work. I hope this is something that can be accommodated as I would very much like to play eve from my couch. |
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:33:00 -
[311] - Quote
Merciless1 wrote: I would very much like to play eve from my couch.
Sitting on my couch while sitting on my couch playing EVE?
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
332
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Posted - 2011.11.17 09:42:00 -
[312] - Quote
mkint wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have links turned Yellow like they used to be?
It's really hard to identify links when they're just bolded, it's not obvious enough that there is a link there.
There's many reasons that this should be done, but I don't feel I need to emphasize this much more. Ease of use, clarity, visual indications, etc. There were other people involved in that decision than me, so maybe you can make a special thread about it and I'll forward it to the right people? That is a really depressing dev response to that concern. Breaking functionality and blaming it on someone else.
this is the issues thread for the new font, not on the new link styles.. it's more likely to catch attention if it's posted in a relevant thread
(like if you had issues with balancing or something else not related to the font, it wouldn't make sense to raise the issue here) CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Wata Keshive
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 09:57:00 -
[313] - Quote
Salpun wrote:...
I like the 11points with 90% for clearity but if you added a little more space in the context menus between letters at 10 and 9 allot more people would use them.
Agree to Salpun in general but want to extend this a little more. Font spacing in contextemenus is not adding to a good readability as it is atm and that's a fact. Possible solution is to keep the function to choose prefered font spacing e.g. with this options: normal (current spacing on sisi) - medium - wide. Please think about it :). Just a personal thing I feel limited by and hence ask for: Please also allow to show more letters in contextmenues per line (keyword: full display of longer boomarks names). |
Bull Eramix
Mimidae Risk Solutions
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:26:00 -
[314] - Quote
Does 'hammerhead' wrap oddly for anyone else?
Right now the d is on the next line... its minor I know but it bothers me for some reason. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
141
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Posted - 2011.11.17 18:49:00 -
[315] - Quote
Hey there,
I'm having an issue with the font overlap on locked targets. I use the "Vertical" arrangement for targets rather than the Horizontal and I'm getting serious overlap with usability issues over other targets when doing this :
Overlapped Target Information
As you can see it's very difficult to see and read some information when arranged in this format.
Thanks for taking the time to look at this! NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
141
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Posted - 2011.11.17 18:50:00 -
[316] - Quote
Double posted
If you're curious why I set it up that way, it's to minimize time spent with curser movement between selecting different targets and being able to interact with the overview. NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
94
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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:55:00 -
[317] - Quote
Ok, sorry, I dont know if anyone mentiont it, but I need new glasses or better Dots and commas (. , aso) because i can bareley see them. And i dont have any way to distinguish them...
E.g. Giant Secure container... DISSONANCE is recruiting Members: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=70361#post70361 Black-Mark Alliance Recruitment: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6710 |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:58:00 -
[318] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Double posted If you're curious why I set it up that way, it's to minimize time spent with curser movement between selecting different targets and being able to interact with the overview. Then shouldnt you have set UI scale = 90% lol
BTW imo layout clarity > cursor distance because the mind is a bigger bottleneck than the mouse |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:20:00 -
[319] - Quote
So we're not seeing some updates to the font then?
Now even at 100% scale when you set the menu size to 9, the text squeeze together and making it hard to read.
Can you not at least space out the letters a bit more?
Also can we have expanded width back? |
Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:40:00 -
[320] - Quote
Kern Hotha wrote:I reiterate that if you're working this hard to shoehorn one font into the interface then you need to stop and refocus on actually designing a modern UI. There's no sense in putting all this time into an antiquated interface.
I have a hard time with the current UI, maybe i'm just getting old, but I'm dealing with it because this is a great game. IF you can pull off the new font, it is a step in the right direction but ultimately is not the real problem. Kern is correct and someday CCP will need to do a complete overhaul of the UI.
Personally I think the UI is very important in a game. I know other people are complaining about other problems, but this is a major part of any game IMHO.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:32:00 -
[321] - Quote
I have an idea.
In some cases old font is better than the new font. I suggest keeping old and new font (both fonts).
By default eve client will load new font, while player can still change font in eve client. I think this is very nice idea and i think it's doable. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:47:00 -
[322] - Quote
Spc One wrote:I have an idea.
In some cases old font is better than the new font. I suggest keeping old and new font (both fonts).
By default eve client will load new font, while player can still change font in eve client. I think this is very nice idea and i think it's doable. Supported.
I hate it when the NEW is suppoed to be better but it ISNT. |
Bemoliph Ashriden
8
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:19:00 -
[323] - Quote
Thanks for adding some shadow to in-space text so it's not completely invisible against bright backgrounds. It's still a little bit hard to read, though, so can the shadows be made a tiny bit more prominent? Compare shadows on TQ to SiSi's latest build. |
Nari Neya
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:25:00 -
[324] - Quote
How could you put this atrocity in front of anyone's eyes? |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
176
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Posted - 2011.11.19 16:29:00 -
[325] - Quote
Seeing the '.' in the speedometer is very difficult for values such as : 31.1 m/s
It is also very very small on larger screens and hard to read in general even on smaller screens in stressful situations
SpeedoDOT
This was identified by SMT008 on Visual Little Features
Can we see about getting this resolved?
Thanks! NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:05:00 -
[326] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Seeing the '.' in the speedometer is very difficult for values such as : 31.1 m/s It is also very very small on larger screens and hard to read in general even on smaller screens in stressful situations SpeedoDOTThis was identified by SMT008 on Visual Little Features Can we see about getting this resolved? Thanks! yes, pretty please! more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2011.11.20 00:59:00 -
[327] - Quote
You know what, the new font is so unpolished I'm just going to use the old font.
OH WAIT, WE CAN'T
QQ |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
3
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:38:00 -
[328] - Quote
Jodis Talvanen wrote:You know what, the new font is so unpolished I'm just going to use the old font.
OH WAIT, WE CAN'T
QQ Making proper font is not an one-day task. Not even one month. It takes alot of time to just draw glyphs. And that's only beginning. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
385
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Posted - 2011.11.22 20:49:00 -
[329] - Quote
If I may ask one more tweak, it would be really nice if you could make "name list" font resize together with chat font.
It looks bit funny when you have small font in chat, but huge font in name list. Name list seem to take awful much space compared to chat area also.
Image to prove the point http://i.imgur.com/IovS4.jpg
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Psychophantic
112
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Posted - 2011.11.23 03:31:00 -
[330] - Quote
Any word on being able to keep the old good looking font? |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
385
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:32:00 -
[331] - Quote
Took a peek to the latest RC version in SiSi and in my mind the new font is usable with 90% scaling now, but...
It still has very much uniformity issues what comes to font sizes in different places Numbers are not fixed width. Letter spacing seems to be way too big while using some of the smallest font sizes in chat. Name list font size doesn't scale down with the chat font and that looks bit odd as the default name list font is such big. It becomes bit grainy on some tool tips (check wallet balance for example). Feature to lock down windows to their places has been removed due to technical reasons (= new font or scaling killed it).
However there has been plenty of improvement from the "1st version" and the scaling in general has been really welcome. I find current status of UI acceptable with the given time and modifications they had to do in such short time, but looking forward to some finishing touches in the future .
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
43
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:16:00 -
[332] - Quote
The font isn't too large - it's too fat... Besides that my 21" 4:3 screen is too small
Seriously I like the new font. I like it BECAUSE it feels oldskool. My only problem is that my head starts hurting when I try to read an in-game description of something. Im not kidding and maybe I need glasses but I'm 100% honest about this...
Also I have trouble seeing dots and commas...
ALSO: When using calculators and numbers many of us euros are using commas before decimals instead of dots. like 1.000.000,00 instead of 1,000,000.00 -> could we plz have commas working like dots for calculator/number entries? Our keyboards are designed for it and it's annoying to pay 100x the price of something because we were supposed to use a DOT instead of a comma.
Pinky |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
24
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Posted - 2011.11.25 01:59:00 -
[333] - Quote
I want the old font, I like the UI having things in all caps. I don't like this change at all.
for me it wasn't broken, but now it's being 'fixed' and I can't opt out of this and use the old.
I don't really care about technical issues, it makes me unhappy. |
Endymi Typhirr
20
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Posted - 2011.11.25 07:31:00 -
[334] - Quote
Chief issue? The new font is TOO FREAKING BIG at 100% scaling, while the 90% scaling isn't polished enough (for those on the usual 96-110 PPI screens) and makes the "smaller font sizes at 100%" (such as small labels) horrifically uncomfortable to read. Additionally, the larger fonts in the small text areas under things such as module icons in the hanger makes the longer names of modules/ships nearly impossible to differentiate without hovering them. For example, in icon view, I now have to hover several rigs until the full name tooltip is displayed just to tell them apart, or switch my view to list or details views, which affects workflow greatly and makes icon view a very tedious method of navigating the UI. This hurts user experience.
Note: I have better than "perfect" (aka 20:20) eyesight. I'm big on typography. I do design work and dabble in UX. What has been done so far is incomplete and not ready for release.
If people have bigger screens and want to see things from further away, the larger scaling is perfect. The scaling over 100% looks and works wonderfully for these folks. However, for everyone else, you're not merely robbing us of what was a workable font size (given the UI that we must work with), but actually hurting usability. Does anyone at CCP do these kinds of studies? Merely examining the consequences of the font size change for a few minutes could get you plenty of this feedback--which is scattered around the forum and the input from players in-game.
I'd love to see this new font in-game and done right, but just giving us little things like being able to change the font to a reasonable size only on the overview is not enough. There are underlying issues with the current UI that simply were not designed for the larger size and you cannot simply shoehorn the larger default font size into it. There's many places where the larger font size does not work.
I know that this is only the first step, and I won't harp on further about the problems here, however, the short-term solution is reasonably simple:
Make the default/reference font size (the one used at 100% scaling) approximately one point size smaller. The difference brings it much closer to the old (current) font size and would solve all these problems. This is roughly the equivalent of pressing the "a-" button in the chat windows. Do this.
Of course, I'd be surprised if you would/could do this in the last few days before rollout. The answer? DELAY THE PATCH! Nobody is going to blame you for delaying the patch for a bit of essential tweaking. I can almost guarantee that you will tick off many people after the expansion is launched and it will be your primary focus after the rollout. Why unnecessarily hassle the players and risk a ruckus with a lack of due diligence? Please give this serious thought.
Other than that, I like it. Good job on such short notice. Check out The "Concord LP" Channel! |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2011.11.26 13:47:00 -
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I agree on the font being incomplete and not ready for release. CCP please really don't released unfinished rubbish you really need to stop doing this.
Also, please see the following two screenshots. There seems to be a polished smaller font used in chat (which is good) but it is not used anywhere else in the UI.
@UI scale 90%, the smallest and the second smallest font in chat looks very polished unlike the other areas in the UI. Please use this polished font to replace the scambled text.
smallest font in chat is very nice: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1622/20111126133434.png
second smallest font in chat as well: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4994/20111126133511.png |
Sutha Moliko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.26 16:43:00 -
[336] - Quote
Latest build 320935 on Sisi
1) All digit separators are wrong (a hypen instead of a comma) http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/digit_pb.jpg
2) All ship names or cargo container names with special caracters (using alt+#) are not displayed. However, theses special caracters are correctly displayed in any chat windows. |
Onyx Mamba
Desperate Venture Company Red Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:18:00 -
[337] - Quote
CCP don't kill the game! The font is sh...t! I've seen it for the first time in Singularity and and my eyes and head gone dizzy in 30 secs. If this font was so expensive for the company just not to use it, so MAKE IT OPTIONAL! Give us the right to choose! I don't want to play in my favourite game with this [censored].
So [censored] PLEASE.
I just have to speak this way cause i feel you're going to deploy this patch as is with the smile on the face and like it's everythings fine |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:55:00 -
[338] - Quote
CCP please do not release this font because it is incomplete and unfinished.
PLEASE DELAY THE RELEASE or MAKE IT OPTIONAL (and make future updates) |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2011.11.27 23:33:00 -
[339] - Quote
Because what will happen is that people will rage again because of this font, you dont want to have incursion 2.0 happening again |
Sturmwolke
49
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Posted - 2011.11.28 04:06:00 -
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Late to the SISI scene (bld 321215), didn't read whole thread. If anyone's still monitoring this thread, 2 quick things :
- New fonts are "jaggy" and it scrapes your eyes when looking at it. Headache inducing. Needs to be smoothed. - Eastern characters aka Chinese/Japanese kanji don't show up well. Infact, they're blurred (when compared to the old font) making it hard to read.
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:32:00 -
[341] - Quote
Please don't release this font please don't release this font please don't release this font |
whaynethepain
14
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:41:00 -
[342] - Quote
Yea personally the new font is easy read for me, but I use a big old Cathode ray tube most if the time.
Looking at them screenshot reminded me though;
On the HD flat screen, all fonts had to be made much larger or it was a bit fuzzy and had bits missing.
I did assumed it was cos I got the flat screen cheap, But all the HD flat screens in the local supermarket have definition issues and blur.
Of-course, it could be my eyes have grown used to seeing the Cathode ray tube more definably. For me the HD is a lie.
Dunno if that helps any, explains why people say my name funny and mess up gate and destination names.
More screenshot pls.
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6155/20111127150732.jpg
Thats how the old font looks to me, and the new fond is simply more easy read, but I don't have a screen shot ATM. Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2011.11.29 01:06:00 -
[343] - Quote
This is my font as well, it looks so much better than the new one IMO because it is crisp and clean, but the new one is fussy and "broken" around the corners |
Armas Cav
Spec-Force
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:12:00 -
[344] - Quote
Can I manually change the font to be something that I like. I hate the new font and loved the old one. You can't make everyone happy but choices can go a long way towards it. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:41:00 -
[345] - Quote
I just wanted to come back, like I said I would, and say "I told you so".
New font is terrible. |
Raze Crandraven
Red Power Hunters
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:34:00 -
[346] - Quote
this new font is looks a little bit "stupid"... i dont want to hurt anybody. its too big on 100 and "unreal" and i got a headache and its far away from eve for me. on 90 it looks too small and annoying to read anything. i'd like to select the font myself... and the size of it. for example i like the previous version much better... i want it back... :) by the way... the crucible is look fantastic and i cant stop warping! :) great job!!! |
Raze Crandraven
Red Power Hunters
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:46:00 -
[347] - Quote
this is my toughts too...
Spc One wrote:I have an idea.
In some cases old font is better than the new font. I suggest keeping old and new font (both fonts).
By default eve client will load new font, while player can still change font in eve client. I think this is very nice idea and i think it's doable.
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Remmo Prideux II
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:01:00 -
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I HATE the new font..... It makes me ALMOST not wanna play the game!!! It looks like the standard font of the old Windows95 Notepad.... It looks like a bug. It looks like someones been fooling around... : "HAHA Nice joke, now change it back!"
If some people had problems with the old font.... Im glad for you now we have a new font integrated! But CCP PLEEEASSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me the option to change back to the old font!!!!!!
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Leoresdectena
Gem Concordance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:52:00 -
[349] - Quote
New font legibility improvement is good, though it appears that a LOT of the improvement is due to the new font being BIGGER, not due to the actual font changes.
New font BIG SIZE makes UI less useable.
Give us font SIZE control!
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Cyber'Tech
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:00:00 -
[350] - Quote
Unfortunately i cannot be constructive here, as previosly mentioned font looks like its some kind of joke, better yet, there is a better example, eve looks like a cheap Item Mall based F2P korean game, this doesnt add good publicity or attracts new players, please oh please, change the fonts back or at least give us the option to use old ones. |
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Atridies
The Ulterior Motive
5
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:10:00 -
[351] - Quote
Cyber'Tech hit the nail on the head.
I find this new font unreadable.
It's already cost me a ship because I couldn't read my overview properly.
Either old font back, option to switch between, or... or... or! :( |
Psychophantic
163
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Posted - 2011.12.01 05:05:00 -
[352] - Quote
We are the 6%. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2011.12.04 18:37:00 -
[353] - Quote
Is CCP working to improve the new font or is it going to stay the same forever? |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2011.12.04 19:34:00 -
[354] - Quote
Atridies wrote:Cyber'Tech hit the nail on the head. I find this new font unreadable. It's already cost me a ship because I couldn't read my overview properly. Either old font back, option to switch between, or... or... or! :( what scaling do you use? could you provide a screenshot in lossless compression (png?) so we can see what display problem you are talking about?
given, there are issues with the new font + scaling, but overall - especially if you consider the options for many people - it is better than the old system! thx CCP for making it happen!
i see a need to improve on a) the dot "." too small b) font being t o o s p r e a d o u t c) "9" little too round, needs to be easier to distinguish from 8. d) scaling to 90% needs improvement: 1. UI elements, e.g. IC column get unclear e) give us also scaling to 80% ? check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |
Archa4 Badasaz
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:02:00 -
[355] - Quote
New font looks horrible on low resolution in windowed mode. It's too small and to stretched vertically. And it doesn't help that I can choose only between 100 and 90% UI scaling...
Why can't there be an option to choose the font? Yes i like that you can easily distinguish between O and 0 and other characters... Bet when it makes my eyes hurt I am OK with some symbols being hard to understand, but easily read the whole texts... |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2011.12.11 11:21:00 -
[356] - Quote
CCP please reply: are you still working on the font or is this font finished |
Sellendis
The Ares project
28
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Posted - 2011.12.11 12:24:00 -
[357] - Quote
Give us old font CCP. Now ammo count is hard to see in modules, any numbers are just a stream of gibberish since : or / sign is almost invisible. Fine, we can read a 0 (zero) in low/null but what about everything else. Ship names in overview are too big even when using small font, compare it to the old font, its just not good. Open skill menu, where is the clear readability there....its just full of letters with equal size, its not nice looking at all. Bright nebula, and font without a shadow? Improved readability....lol.
We complained about new module icons, they were too dark and blurry, CCP you admit its not working well, you give us old and bright icons back...and the make the whole Caldari line-up of ships a dark blob in dark icon space. Honestly? WTH?
How it was before:
http://i.imgur.com/8leyj.png
How is it now:
http://i.imgur.com/r3SXz.png
Can you honestly tell us it looks better and cleaner now? The whole new font is out of place in EvE. It just doesn't look modern, its too big in places, no shadow for bright areas... (and whole Caldari nebula is a mess).
All this was on 1680*1050 with UI 100% settings. We are told the old font doesn't scale well, so let us use the old font if we dont scale down, if we scale the new font gets activated.
Just let us choose for gods sake.
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:48:00 -
[358] - Quote
Sellendis wrote:Give us old font CCP.
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Just let us choose for gods sake.
Agreed everything. I want to use the old font |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:50:00 -
[359] - Quote
Sellendis, you might want to support option to Turn Down System Background Brightness
check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |
Sellendis
The Ares project
28
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:16:00 -
[360] - Quote
Just did, thank you for the link. |
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Psychophantic
182
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:07:00 -
[361] - Quote
Oh god, wish I'd never looked at that. :' (
And nothing about ammo/item counts in patch notes...
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Sellendis
The Ares project
28
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:47:00 -
[362] - Quote
Don`t get me started on how much i miss the old font. It looked hi-tech at least and right in place in EvE, new one is...well...lets face it, completely out of place.
We should just wait fr someone to figure how to use the old font again, since CCP called us "6%", no info on anything as usual. On other hand...what patch notes? |
Psychophantic
182
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:53:00 -
[363] - Quote
Guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and buy a 16:9.
When I want to watch hdtv and movies I'll watch them on a 52" plasma at 16:9.
When I want to use a computer to display lots of data and play games I'll go with 16:10.
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Opertone
Signal 7 The Jagged Alliance
52
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Posted - 2011.12.15 15:44:00 -
[364] - Quote
Sellendis wrote:Don`t get me started on how much i miss the old font. It looked hi-tech at least and right in place in EvE, new one is...well...lets face it, completely out of place.
We should just wait fr someone to figure how to use the old font again, since CCP called us "6%", no info on anything as usual. On other hand...what patch notes?
QUOTED for truth, while I am totally for UI scaling, I'd rather it was FONT scaling in UI.
Old font was hi tech, unique look, how about selectable font? Don't bloat entire window, just make text boxes bigger, fonts in text boxes bigger and windows scale up and down to accommodate new text fields.
See how it is done by Apple browser. Can zoom, can enlarge fonts without making pics blurry.
I love you CCP. I hope you love doing your work more than our whining. We love both you and whining |
Endymi Typhirr
23
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Posted - 2012.01.04 14:46:00 -
[365] - Quote
Opertone wrote:Don't bloat entire window, just make text boxes bigger, fonts in text boxes bigger and windows scale up and down to accommodate new text fields.
See how it is done by Apple browser. Can zoom, can enlarge fonts without making pics blurry. I suspect the reason Apple does this is because most images on the internet are in raster format (you can see the pixels!) rather than vector (scales to any size flawlessly).
I'd venture a guess that CCP eventually plans to use all vector graphics in place of their current raster ones, thus having the scaling up looking better in the future. Well, one would expect....
Opertone wrote:I love you CCP. I hope you love doing your work more than our whining. We love both you and whining Quoted for CCP love. GÖÑ
Our criticism may be heavy, but never forget we do this because we expect better from you than other game companies, and wish to see it succeed where others have given up. That's saying a lot, and we have a good thing going here. Check out The "Concord LP" Channel! |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain
764
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Posted - 2012.01.06 06:10:00 -
[366] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Took a peek to the latest RC version in SiSi and in my mind the new font is usable with 90% scaling now, but... It still has very much uniformity issues what comes to font sizes in different places(Fixed now) Numbers are not fixed width. (Fixed now) Letter spacing seems to be way too big while using some of the smallest font sizes in chat. (Fixed now) Name list font size doesn't scale down with the chat font and that looks bit odd as the default name list font is such big. (Fixed now) It becomes bit grainy on some tool tips (check wallet, balance for example). (Fixed now) Feature to lock down windows to their places has been removed due to technical reasons (= new font or scaling killed it). (Fixed now) However there has been plenty of improvement from the "1st version" and the scaling in general has been really welcome. I find current status of UI acceptable with the given time and modifications they had to do in such short time, but looking forward to some finishing touches in the future .
Just wanted to thank about the great work on visually polishing the updated UI. There may still be some odd line breaks here and there, but as a whole font looks and feels like proper tool again.
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Disdaine
181
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Posted - 2012.01.07 00:41:00 -
[367] - Quote
Now if they could just fix the alignment of the ammo count, the decimal point being hidden by some numbers, and the alignment of the 1 digit.
http://i.imgur.com/zu9of.jpg |
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