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darius mclever	Posted - 2010.02.01 11:41:00 - [121] Originally by: Marlona Sky DAMN THE GODS FOR NOT MAKING AMARR THE BEST IN EVERY SHIP CATEGORY!!! we dont want to. tengu will always be the best! we just want to make it's gap closer to put the loki more into shame. :)
Qui Shon	Posted - 2010.02.01 14:08:00 - [122] Originally by: Durzel It's a telling statement that the best application of the Legion is being sat in space (unprobeable) providing bonuses to other ships that are actually practically beneficial to the fleet beyond providing the enemy with a nice KB stat boost. Hey that's not all! You can sit in a pos too, and fit a couple more links, and still get those delicious 28% armor bonuses.
Mr McFail	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:55:00 - [123] Edited by: Mr McFail on 01/02/2010 17:06:44 Originally by: Durzel So basically about the same as a dual-rep Absolution, with less DPS, lower resists, no drones and at least 3x the price? Awesome. A dual repper absolution not only gets nowhere near what a legion can tank, the cap is nowhere near stable, the legion can easily fit a web to slow fast ships down for its lasers so no need for the drones, the legion has 91% resists to any 2 damage types easily with hardeners (while still being cap stable doing all of this with just 2 cap rechargers...) and finally the dps may not be as good as an absolution but it's not a ***** battlecruiser class ship is it! Try again!
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.02.01 17:06:00 - [124] Originally by: Mr McFail Cry some more, please learn how to fly the Legion before you go into a hissy fit. so you want to share your fit or is it too much of a secret?
Mr McFail	Posted - 2010.02.01 17:07:00 - [125] Edited by: Mr McFail on 01/02/2010 17:17:41 Originally by: darius mclever Originally by: Mr McFail Cry some more, please learn how to fly the Legion before you go into a hissy fit. so you want to share your fit or is it too much of a secret? http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4090/legionnewsetup1.jpg And for a cruiser class ship, I find that DPS more than acceptable, I don't expect a cruiser class ship to be throwing around much more dps than a higher class ship such as a battlecruiser even if it is t3. Oh and it's still capable of tanking over 650DPS with t1 rigs and the plex repper or over 600dps with t2 rigs and a standard t2 med repper, finally you can swap 2 of those lazy EANM's for hardeners to get a boost to the resists you need, it's still cap stable doing it.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.02.01 17:27:00 - [126] Edited by: darius mclever on 01/02/2010 17:27:20 Originally by: Mr McFail Edited by: Mr McFail on 01/02/2010 17:17:41 Originally by: darius mclever Originally by: Mr McFail Cry some more, please learn how to fly the Legion before you go into a hissy fit. so you want to share your fit or is it too much of a secret? http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4090/legionnewsetup1.jpg And for a cruiser class ship, I find that DPS more than acceptable, I don't expect a cruiser class ship to be throwing around much more dps than a higher class ship such as a battlecruiser even if it is t3. Oh and it's still capable of tanking over 650DPS with t1 rigs and the plex repper or over 600dps with t2 rigs and a standard t2 med repper, finally you can swap 2 of those lazy EANM's for hardeners to get a boost to the resists you need, it's still cap stable doing it. and we welcome Mr. Heavy Neut.
Deva Blackfire Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.01 18:57:00 - [127] I like how that PVP setup has no scrambler/disruptor and no MWD. Totally awesome setup
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.02.01 19:04:00 - [128] Originally by: Deva Blackfire I like how that PVP setup has no scrambler/disruptor and no MWD. Totally awesome setup Well AB isnt that bad with T3. you get still decent speed and can use your sigradius for tanking. i would say viable for lowsec and highsec. especially you can scare away all those arazu/lachesis who think "i scram you and your mwd is f*cked" :) missing point and cap booster is worse imho.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:30:00 - [129] Originally by: Mr McFail http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4090/legionnewsetup1.jpg And for a cruiser class ship, I find that DPS more than acceptable, I don't expect a cruiser class ship to be throwing around much more dps than a higher class ship such as a battlecruiser even if it is t3. Awesome fit bro. I particularly like the giant thermal hole, no MWD, no injector, no point and no DC2. Oh, and no buffer. Didn't realise we were talking about PVE fits... in that case, the Tengu eclipses the Drake by some considerable margin (does more DPS, tanks considerably more in active fit). Proteus does almost BS level DPS in some configurations whilst having 200k+ EHP. You're certainly living up to your name man.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2010.02.03 17:20:00 - [130] Originally by: Mr McFail terrible fit that fit is just terrible for pvp. it might work on level 4's. in pvp you'd die hilariously fast. probably worth 2 points out of 10. For what I've seen this far legion has problems with capacitor (much like absolution) and powergrid (unless you go ham fit). You can make it have decent armor buffer but then if you go compare it with proteus (closest similar ship, nerf :p) your ship is gonna suck compared to all isk you're going to pay. Laser setups both pulse and beam setups could be a lot better (need capacitor/pg), ham setup lacks dps or some other bonus if not dps (not to mention CARGO BAY IS TOO SMALL), neut setup is a bit meh (while being probably the most working pvp fit for legion)
MalVortex Reaper Industries Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:55:00 - [131] Originally by: Mr McFail Edited by: Mr McFail on 01/02/2010 17:17:41 Originally by: darius mclever Originally by: Mr McFail Cry some more, please learn how to fly the Legion before you go into a hissy fit. so you want to share your fit or is it too much of a secret? http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4090/legionnewsetup1.jpg And for a cruiser class ship, I find that DPS more than acceptable, I don't expect a cruiser class ship to be throwing around much more dps than a higher class ship such as a battlecruiser even if it is t3. Oh and it's still capable of tanking over 650DPS with t1 rigs and the plex repper or over 600dps with t2 rigs and a standard t2 med repper, finally you can swap 2 of those lazy EANM's for hardeners to get a boost to the resists you need, it's still cap stable doing it. A single medium neut and your dead. For all that pimp, a Myrmidon tanks more, does more damage, has more EHP, and does it on T2. Oh, and it doesn't immediately die the moment somebody with a medium neut shows up. Frankly, any decent BC will absolutely destroy that ship. A Hurricane with RF-EMP and two gyro's breaks your tank, and it's two neuts will cap out that lolegion in under a minute. Also, showing off ships and not the implants you plug into them is bad form. If we really wanted to make this comparison one sided, that 'Cane has a Slave set plugged in. God knows you could buy a set or three for the cost of that setup. 523 dps on conflag is acceptable damage? I would point out how trivially easy it is for proper cruisers to break that damage point (and with real pvp fits instead of....that...), but I'm pretty sure this is all just an elaborate troll trying to convince CCP to actually buff the legion.
Mr McFail	Posted - 2010.02.04 18:41:00 - [132] Originally by: MalVortex QQ Recently get killed by a well fit legion did you? Bawwww.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.04 18:59:00 - [133] Great comeback, you sure picked apart his counterpoints masterfully.
Elder Kromb Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 00:50:00 - [134] Originally by: Mr McFail Originally by: MalVortex QQ Recently get killed by a well fit legion did you? Bawwww. Fight on honorable EFTwarrior
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.02.07 07:13:00 - [135] Originally by: Mr McFail Edited by: Mr McFail on 01/02/2010 17:17:41 Originally by: darius mclever Originally by: Mr McFail Cry some more, please learn how to fly the Legion before you go into a hissy fit. so you want to share your fit or is it too much of a secret? http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4090/legionnewsetup1.jpg And for a cruiser class ship, I find that DPS more than acceptable, I don't expect a cruiser class ship to be throwing around much more dps than a higher class ship such as a battlecruiser even if it is t3. Oh and it's still capable of tanking over 650DPS with t1 rigs and the plex repper or over 600dps with t2 rigs and a standard t2 med repper, finally you can swap 2 of those lazy EANM's for hardeners to get a boost to the resists you need, it's still cap stable doing it. And how, oh how, Mister McFail, do you intend to hold your target down and keep up with it with no Scram or Microwarpdrive? How do you intend to stay alive for more than a minute the second anything with a neutraliser (Ergo everything with a free utility high) bigger than a small shows up? Oh. Right. Rats don't run away/need to be scrammed, and for the most part, do not Neutralise in the normal sense. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2010.02.07 11:33:00 - [136] Edited by: Seishi Maru on 07/02/2010 11:36:01 Originally by: darius mclever Originally by: Deva Blackfire I like how that PVP setup has no scrambler/disruptor and no MWD. Totally awesome setup Well AB isnt that bad with T3. you get still decent speed and can use your sigradius for tanking. i would say viable for lowsec and highsec. especially you can scare away all those arazu/lachesis who think "i scram you and your mwd is f*cked" :) missing point and cap booster is worse imho. agree. People get too much fixated on the NEEEED of mwd and forget that in high sec an low sec there is a HUGE amount of scenarios where AB is very good. Yes.. less GTFO capability.. but more chance of killing the thing that engaged you if you selected the situation correctly. So its an option for not sissy pilots. Also missing a POint MIGHt be excusable if you are supposed to be in gang with something like an arazu. But the cap booster is very serious if you intend to engage battleships (on smaller ships you usually see much less neuts). But peopel are missing the point that the stup he presented can EASILy be upgraded to use a booster and a scrambler, what enables it to fight close range quite respectfully. Yes active tank is still vulnerable against for examepl a tempest with2 heavy neuts. But a tempest will kill any cruiser sized ship that gets under 20 km and need cap to fire its guns anyway....
Deva Blackfire Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 12:47:00 - [137] But we are not missing the fact that his setup ca be killed by tengu/proteus without bigger problems (and both will have same/better tank AND better DPS output to boot). We also arent missing the point that his setup can be easily killed by battlecruisers (yeh, the t1 ships) like myrmidon or hurricane. So if you need to pay 1b for ship that works more-less like a myrmidon (50mil tops) then why bother with legion? What does it do better than said bc? Fact is: legion is just bad. His setup is also bad no matter how you look at it. Engaging 2-3 BCs in it would be a suicide. Prot can engage 2-3 BC easily and win. So can tengu.
Apogee Realms	Posted - 2010.02.09 09:54:00 - [138] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Originally by: Mr McFail terrible fit that fit is just terrible for pvp. it might work on level 4's. in pvp you'd die hilariously fast. probably worth 2 points out of 10. For what I've seen this far legion has problems with capacitor (much like absolution) and powergrid (unless you go ham fit). You can make it have decent armor buffer but then if you go compare it with proteus (closest similar ship, nerf :p) your ship is gonna suck compared to all isk you're going to pay. Laser setups both pulse and beam setups could be a lot better (need capacitor/pg), ham setup lacks dps or some other bonus if not dps (not to mention CARGO BAY IS TOO SMALL), neut setup is a bit meh (while being probably the most working pvp fit for legion) This. The Legion needs to be fixed and fast. At the moment its really not worth flying, and especially not at its current price.
Lady Immortal	Posted - 2010.02.09 11:06:00 - [139] Way to fall for a not even clever troll guys. Cmon mr mc fail :D? I refuse to believe anyones truly stupid enough to say the legion is fine in it's current implementation. It has to be a troll.
MalVortex Reaper Industries Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.02.09 11:41:00 - [140] You say that, but the thread is moved without comment. Odd given that Test Server Feedback has always been one of the "serious post" style balancing areas, and has dev-commented, long spiraling threads regarding ship balance in it - vindicator anyone? Guess this kills any hope of an improvement to the Legion this patch cycle.
Scott Ryder Amarr Sisters of Korhal Terran Commonwealth	Posted - 2010.02.09 12:18:00 - [141] Short story. Legion does sucks alot of **** as Istvaan Shogaatsu mentioned. I pilot a Tengu on my alt outdamages and out tanks the legion and it has room for ew. Legion is deadspace fitted with t2 aux nano pumps and dual centum reps/eanms. It isnt even close to the tengu in neither tank or gank. The legion is a sad excuse of a t3 cruiser.
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.02.09 13:54:00 - [142] Originally by: Scott Ryder Short story. Legion does sucks alot of **** as Istvaan Shogaatsu mentioned. I pilot a Tengu on my alt outdamages and out tanks the legion and it has room for ew. Legion is deadspace fitted with t2 aux nano pumps and dual centum reps/eanms. It isnt even close to the tengu in neither tank or gank. The legion is a sad excuse of a t3 cruiser. ^says enough, really. Conclusion after reading the whole thread: - Legion is a decent ship but when compared to its class members it pales, or when regarding the value for isk factor. Also: bump for attempting to make T3 cruisers something to look forward to as an Amarr only pilot.
Exploding Tukey	Posted - 2010.02.09 15:14:00 - [143] CCP Made it up to the people with Amarr Cruiser 5 by giving them the guardian, the only armor RR ship to be used in fleets. And you dont see many threads yelling how the Oneiros needs a cap transfer boost to make it viable in cap circles.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2010.02.09 15:42:00 - [144] Maek all sheeps the same and gief my boooost!!!
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.02.09 17:09:00 - [145] oh hi, this is amusing after weeks of constructive discussion we get kicked out of test server feedback :)
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.02.10 01:49:00 - [146] Well this blows.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2010.02.10 04:54:00 - [147] Whats this CCP.. you dont like the problem so lets shuff it somewhere and lets hope it doent pop up? www.garia.net
Jim Raynor Caldari Sinister Corporation	Posted - 2010.02.10 08:19:00 - [148] Originally by: darius mclever oh hi, this is amusing after weeks of constructive discussion we get kicked out of test server feedback :) Well in all honesty, this thread is more suited for ships and modules.. or maybe assembly hall. I figure test server feedback is mostly for new stuff on the test server being actively tested not 'ungimp this' or 'pimp that'. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.02.10 09:24:00 - [149] Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: darius mclever oh hi, this is amusing after weeks of constructive discussion we get kicked out of test server feedback :) Well in all honesty, this thread is more suited for ships and modules.. or maybe assembly hall. I figure test server feedback is mostly for new stuff on the test server being actively tested not 'ungimp this' or 'pimp that'. Not all forum mods are created equal. cough Vindicator thread cough
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2010.02.14 11:43:00 - [150] Originally by: Ran Khanon Conclusion after reading the whole thread: - Legion is a decent ship but when compared to its class members it pales, or when regarding the value for isk factor. Also: bump for attempting to make T3 cruisers something to look forward to as an Amarr only pilot. Especially compared to proteus legion is sucks big time. Proteus has crazy warp scrambler bonus and it can still do full dps with that module on. At least arazu cannot really do so much damage. Even if you forget scrambler bonus legion is a lot of behind the proteus in every way with similar setups, gaining no real advantage over it.

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