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Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.22 07:34:00 - [1] I was told to post my suggestion here. In every other (atleast as far as I know) MMO you can sit down, put in some effort and manage to gain a lot of levels / skills in a given time in a try to catch up with others. However. In EVE you have to sit and wait. I dont even need to play the game. This can be BOOOOOOOOOORING as I am waiting to test a new feature or so. But this also means that the money you put in is directly bound up to the amount of skillpoints you get. Is is therefore possible to pay extra (i.e. a month) to get skills accelerated for the same amount of time? (i.e., I pay triple one month and get for that month the skills to run 3 times as fast) Its the same as you have for the first time for new players. (Until they reach 1.6m skill points or something)
Fairhand 101st Covert Ops C. O. R. E.	Posted - 2010.01.22 08:00:00 - [2] This should have been posted in the "Feedback and Suggestions" forum... ... but please think about it for a moment. It is an awful idea. Effectively you are saying "my character is better than your character because I spent more money than you did. I gave CCP loads of RL cash and got buckets of skillpoints in return. Boom, you're dead!" An alternative suggestion is to have "University" stations where you can pay ISK to an agent for a slot of accelerated learning but perhaps have to keep the character in the station while that particular skill is accelerated. Needs a lot of thought to consider if it is even desirable.

CCP Applebabe	Posted - 2010.01.22 08:16:00 - [3] Moved from Issues, Workarounds & Localization.

0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.01.22 08:21:00 - [4] They were even trolling my thread where I proposed to pay (1 PLEX) for an attribute remap (next to the one we can already do once a year), because I was suggesting to get an advantage for money. Imagine how they will troll yours.
mundus123	Posted - 2010.01.22 08:22:00 - [5] CCP already did this by give us implants and training skills. You pay isk to buy a good implant to learn faster and there are differnt lvl's of them. Also for those that are clever and have the foresight and disicpline, use eve mon to set up a skill set plan for the next year and use the tool to determine what the optimal skill lvls shoudl be and then do a remap on your char. Also do you really want to be able to fly that shinny new expensive ship even sooner and mis sout on all tha texperience you probly need to actually fly it and then watch it die a painful death because you rushed it? Also atm it takes a basic char 4monthis to fly a carrier, do you really want to see a char able to fly one in 1 month and fly it fitted well in 2 or 3?
Reggie Stoneloader JAFA Trade and Manufacturing Cooperative	Posted - 2010.01.22 08:40:00 - [6] I'm with mundus on this one, the implants are already in the game, and they allow you to effectively "buy" skillpoints. I've been playing for years, and I still wear +3s because I'm devastatingly poor. +5s give you a substantial edge over me in learning rates, and those can be had for isk, which can be had for PLEX, which can be had for the kind of money you get for mowing lawns or winning at poker. Powerlevelling is less relevant in EvE due to the unorthodox nature of the character development and gameplay here, and the measures in place are sufficient for optimizing your growth. If you want a big boost, buy someone's character.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.22 09:14:00 - [7] I am not surprised at all for the answers that I get here, but then again your not the target for this suggestion. Anyway: I notice with interest that you people are suggesting that I buy ISK for real money and then put them into implants. I dont like "Gold sellers" not even when they sell ISK and find your suggestions disgusting. (Using my ISK for this is not what I suggest. I suggest using real money paied to CCP.) As for rushing skills: Whats best for CCP? Having people stay in dock for 2 month playing other games because they are bored like hell (And finally giving up and cancelling) or getting the amount of money they should for the same time spend in game? Anyway: As for "I got more money than you have and showing it" ... ATM I am having three accounts so that I can spend some time into develop mining, some in crafting and some in fighting. So basically I am already paying triple to be able to skill up faster, just not on the same account. But now I would like to have my miner also to run a raven so I can have two ships out in the mission. That takes me 2-3 months and I would like to speed it up. Spending 2-3 months logging once a day to change skills are not my kind of having fun.
UniqueOne Caldari 4 wing	Posted - 2010.01.22 09:21:00 - [8] Edited by: UniqueOne on 22/01/2010 09:24:09 I would prefer implants for nearly every skill in eve to raise it by one level. If you have level 5, you would get level 6 (and the extra ship bonuses, etc that come with an extra level). Then new players can test things for the cost of an implant, and older players can also vary things with different implants. My 2c
Barran Aldur Caldari The Donkey Riders FIGHT CLUB INC	Posted - 2010.01.22 10:06:00 - [9] This is a horrible idea. With this, every idiot with a bank account could get exactly as far as someone who spent years working on his character. Same thing happened to WoW with all the expansions, all the gear and experience the hardcore players worked hard for is now trash, and exp gain is now 5x since it's release, is pretty much why I stopped playing, because all your hard earned exp and gear mean nothing.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.01.22 10:32:00 - [10] These should NEVER be a way in Eve to pay for an increase in skills. The skill system evens out the game for everyone.... this way Rich/Poor and Power/Casual players can progress in the game at the same rate (when talking about skills). You seem extremely indignant about purchasing a Plex and selling it for ISK... a valid and legal system (if done within CCPs rules).... Quote: I notice with interest that you people are suggesting that I buy ISK for real money and then put them into implants. I dont like "Gold sellers" not even when they sell ISK and find your suggestions disgusting. However you are promoting using RL money to buy your way to having an advantage over people who don't want to buy skills. To be honest you sound extremely hypocritical.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.01.22 10:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 22/01/2010 10:45:35 Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 22/01/2010 10:42:52 Sell GTCs for ISK buy character with ISK on forum. There you go. No wait at all. Problem solved. Quote: Anyway: I notice with interest that you people are suggesting that I buy ISK for real money and then put them into implants. I dont like "Gold sellers" not even when they sell ISK and find your suggestions disgusting. (Using my ISK for this is not what I suggest. I suggest using real money paied to CCP.) You do know that buying ISK via selling GTCs is supported by CCP, right?
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.01.22 11:04:00 - [12] learning skills, implants. all those things speed up your training quite nicely already. that should be enough. I am actually amazed that you dont find enough to do in eve and constantly need new skills to try new things. there are so many things you can do while waiting.
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2010.01.22 11:22:00 - [13] Edited by: Dors Venabily on 22/01/2010 11:24:26 Originally by: Nika Dekaia Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 22/01/2010 10:45:35 Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 22/01/2010 10:42:52 Sell GTCs for ISK buy character with ISK on forum. There you go. No wait at all. Problem solved. Quote: Anyway: I notice with interest that you people are suggesting that I buy ISK for real money and then put them into implants. I dont like "Gold sellers" not even when they sell ISK and find your suggestions disgusting. (Using my ISK for this is not what I suggest. I suggest using real money paied to CCP.) You do know that buying ISK via selling GTCs is supported by CCP, right? I think he missed that point. Look if you really can't wait get bunch of gtc change them over to plexes sell them in game on market and buy a 4 year old character. IF you really insist on wasting a ton of cash.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.01.22 11:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Dors Venabily Look if you really can't wait get bunch of gtc change them over to plexes sell them in game on market and buy a 4 year old character. IF you really insist on wasting a ton of cash. the better part will be: he has a 4y old toon. asks his corp mates "why do you fit t2 guns on destroyers" and then dies in all the hacs, battleships and caps, which he buys from more GTC, because he lacks 4 years of training his player skills to actually understand how to fly those ships. but well we shouldnt complain about easy kills.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.22 11:48:00 - [15] Originally by: darius mclever he has a 4y old toon. asks his corp mates "why do you fit t2 guns on destroyers" and then dies in all the hacs, battleships and caps, which he buys from more GTC, because he lacks 4 years of training his player skills to actually understand how to fly those ships. but well we shouldnt complain about easy kills. I wish it was that simple. ATM I am on a 2 month schedule to up my second account to run lvl 4 missions with my other account. Accutaly. That was the plan, but I don't think I bother. The love from the community is just to overwelming. BTW: Arguing that "Hey, I am a pro. I have trained skills longer than you so you shall also have to wait all that time" is actually a killer of a game. If you dont want to spend time staying on top you got no right to be there.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.01.22 11:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Originally by: darius mclever he has a 4y old toon. asks his corp mates "why do you fit t2 guns on destroyers" and then dies in all the hacs, battleships and caps, which he buys from more GTC, because he lacks 4 years of training his player skills to actually understand how to fly those ships. but well we shouldnt complain about easy kills. I wish it was that simple. ATM I am on a 2 month schedule to up my second account to run lvl 4 missions with my other account. Accutaly. That was the plan, but I don't think I bother. The love from the community is just to overwelming. BTW: Arguing that "Hey, I am a pro. I have trained skills longer than you so you shall also have to wait all that time" is actually a killer of a game. If you dont want to spend time staying on top you got no right to be there. you know... i didnt tell the story to annoy you, thats what happened in the corp of a friend. SP means a very little, the player experience is much more important. you can run lvl4s without ever boarding a BS. and some people consider running them e.g. in BC/hacs/commandships or even assault frigates much more fun than in a BS.
Omal Oma Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.01.22 12:03:00 - [17] Some suggestions: 1. Get your learning skills up. This is a surefire way to learn fastest. 2. Get implants, these will help you out even faster. 3. Still impatient? Make a ton of ISK, you can do this by purchasing PLEX's and selling them on the market. They sell fast and you can easily make a few billion ISK in a couple hours if you sell a bunch of them. Take this ISK to the Character Bazzar forum and purchase a character with ISK that has the skills you're looking for.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.01.22 14:22:00 - [18] I just took another look at your OP and noticed this..... Quote: In every other (atleast as far as I know) MMO you can sit down, put in some effort and manage to gain a lot of levels / skills in a given time in a try to catch up with others. Quote: pay extra (i.e. a month) to get skills accelerated So your plan to make Eve like any other MMO (which nobody wants anyway) is to put in the effort by paying RL money to better yourself. Honestly, if you had spent 5 mins reading through the multitude of posts asking for the same thing, you would have noticed that most people hate this idea. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
CyberGh0st Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.22 15:09:00 - [19] I can only repeat what others have said : There are already ways to improve training speed and CCP also boosted newer players over the years : - New Characters used to get 50k at creation ( correct me if I am wrong, it has been a while ). Then they improved that to 800k, finally they improved that to 100% boost till 1,6m + 50k at start ( so last boost is only a 50k gain + more freedom in skill choice ). - Implants : Train to Cybernetics 5, buy +5 implants, you can buy them with RL cash if you like, buy some plexes and sell them for isk. - Training skills : I trained everything to 5, but it is your choice when and if you do that. I do suggest to train to 3-4 and then train some regular skills and then when you feel like it max them. - Stat reallocation : You can make a plan and reset your stat accordingly, every year. - Tech 3 ships : If vets get blown up in T3 ships they lose skillpoints. So don't fly T3 until you feel you are on a good skill point level. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online ( Pre-Dust514 ? )
CyberGh0st Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.22 15:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper I am not surprised at all for the answers that I get here, but then again your not the target for this suggestion. Anyway: I notice with interest that you people are suggesting that I buy ISK for real money and then put them into implants. I dont like "Gold sellers" not even when they sell ISK and find your suggestions disgusting. (Using my ISK for this is not what I suggest. I suggest using real money paied to CCP.) As for rushing skills: Whats best for CCP? Having people stay in dock for 2 month playing other games because they are bored like hell (And finally giving up and cancelling) or getting the amount of money they should for the same time spend in game? Anyway: As for "I got more money than you have and showing it" ... ATM I am having three accounts so that I can spend some time into develop mining, some in crafting and some in fighting. So basically I am already paying triple to be able to skill up faster, just not on the same account. But now I would like to have my miner also to run a raven so I can have two ships out in the mission. That takes me 2-3 months and I would like to speed it up. Spending 2-3 months logging once a day to change skills are not my kind of having fun. Uhm, you should do some more research ... You can buy a plex directly from CCP with RL cash : https://secure.eve-online.com/PLEX.aspx Then you get this as an ingame item which you can sell on the market for ISK. If you then buy +5 implants, plug them in ( after training cybernetics 5 ), and train a year ( or 6 months, or whatever), you effectively bought a load of skillpoints with RL money, legally, over a 1 year period. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online ( Pre-Dust514 ? )
CyberGh0st Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.22 15:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Originally by: darius mclever he has a 4y old toon. asks his corp mates "why do you fit t2 guns on destroyers" and then dies in all the hacs, battleships and caps, which he buys from more GTC, because he lacks 4 years of training his player skills to actually understand how to fly those ships. but well we shouldnt complain about easy kills. I wish it was that simple. ATM I am on a 2 month schedule to up my second account to run lvl 4 missions with my other account. Accutaly. That was the plan, but I don't think I bother. The love from the community is just to overwelming. BTW: Arguing that "Hey, I am a pro. I have trained skills longer than you so you shall also have to wait all that time" is actually a killer of a game. If you dont want to spend time staying on top you got no right to be there. This is the way how EVE works and how most people like it, you train skills over time. We gave you suggestions how to improve upon this, including a way to spend RL cash legally to advance your character faster ( with implants ). I suggest you join EVE University and learn a bit about the game and have some fun with others while you are at it. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online ( Pre-Dust514 ? )
CyberGh0st Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.22 15:48:00 - [22] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 22/01/2010 15:52:34 Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o They were even trolling my thread where I proposed to pay (1 PLEX) for an attribute remap (next to the one we can already do once a year), because I was suggesting to get an advantage for money. Imagine how they will troll yours. Well I have to point out to you that allowing to buy anything from CCP directly is a fundamental change in gameplay policy and vision. This would essentially mean CCP started an item/cash shop, this would be a bridge too far for me and this is essentially also why I am against the OP's idea. I find the ability to buy a new portrait for your character already on the borderline of acceptable. As it is now, you can only trade RL money and ISK between players ( you buy a plex and sell it to another player for isk ). While this is not the ideal way ( ideal way would be that there exist no isk farmers/sellers ), it is the best pragmatic solution available to counter illegal ISK sellers ( that hack, bot and cheat while they are at it ), this of course combined with the Unholy WAR and the ingame isk spam blocker/reporter. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online ( Pre-Dust514 ? )
Ramon Wilco Caldari Psycho Corp	Posted - 2010.01.22 16:10:00 - [23] Stop stop stop !!! I'm tired of trolls... Why all the time, in all mmo they are players who dont accept a system that allow poor players to be equal to rich players? If u are bored of waiting for skills, just play another game... Eve is a long way game for people wanted to interact between themselves, and use their knowed skills to be part of corporations. Now, if you allow to buy skill points, or buy to make it faster... it will just kill this system, then lots of players (including me) will stop playing eve, and there will be more youngers and stupid podders wanted to pay to have the latest ship with the latest module, with maxed skills and.... boring.... Fear your incomprehension, but love the differences. Ramon Wilco
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.01.22 16:17:00 - [24] As pointed out here, EVE's skill progression is built on time. One great benefit of this, for those patient enough and willing to accept that, is that by the time you have reached certain skill levels you may well have gained the experience as a player to put those skill points to decent use. Being able to fly a battleship in the first few weeks of playing the game does not mean you have the player experience to fly it effectively, and it's very likely you haven't acquired the support skills to make it work either. Understanding the mechanics takes time and having patience while you reach higher skill levels is worth it as by the time you get those skills you will have more knowledge about how they fit into the mechanics of the game, instead of the example given previously where inexperienced pilots don't have that faculty and thus lose expensive ships and equipment.
Hiorimaru	Posted - 2010.01.22 16:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Hiorimaru on 22/01/2010 16:26:41 Edited by: Hiorimaru on 22/01/2010 16:24:27 Why not sell a booster card which is werry restricte, instead of buying permanent skillboosting? To prevent any one with big pockets or any one from exploiting it, it should have some restrictions! You can not trade or sell it between accounts or ingame. You can only buy a limited number in ex. 1 or 2 cards in the same account every year. The cards can be set to only boosts one skill like 50% or 100%. Or it can be set to work for a limited amount of time which it only gives a minor boost like 25% or something. 1. Players get more motivated to train higrank skills like a 3 month rank 12 skill. 2. CCP makes more money, which well get back in better servers and more motivated crew working on EVE. 3. For us its a win win anyway If this is restricted an limited it will not ruin the EVEs skillbased gameplay, it only helps the poor lost pilots out there, see the light in the end of a (rank 15) tunnel
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.01.22 16:49:00 - [26] Hell to the no! Delenda est achura.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2010.01.22 18:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Wendat Huron Hell to the no! This One of the best features of Eve is equality of progression regardless of real-life economic status or how busy a player's life is. Those with lots of cash can't buy their way ahead. Those with lots of spare time can't grind their way ahead. Leave it alone.
David Grogan Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.01.22 22:32:00 - [28] i'd like a 1 use per year only skill training time booster card that basicaly DOUBLES your skill training time for the 30 day period. this could be useful if u have to do one of those 50+ days skills. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
mundus123	Posted - 2010.01.22 23:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper I am not surprised at all for the answers that I get here, but then again your not the target for this suggestion. Anyway: I notice with interest that you people are suggesting that I buy ISK for real money and then put them into implants. I dont like "Gold sellers" not even when they sell ISK and find your suggestions disgusting. (Using my ISK for this is not what I suggest. I suggest using real money paied to CCP.) As for rushing skills: Whats best for CCP? Having people stay in dock for 2 month playing other games because they are bored like hell (And finally giving up and cancelling) or getting the amount of money they should for the same time spend in game? Anyway: As for "I got more money than you have and showing it" ... ATM I am having three accounts so that I can spend some time into develop mining, some in crafting and some in fighting. So basically I am already paying triple to be able to skill up faster, just not on the same account. But now I would like to have my miner also to run a raven so I can have two ships out in the mission. That takes me 2-3 months and I would like to speed it up. Spending 2-3 months logging once a day to change skills are not my kind of having fun. Ok nub, i said nothing about buying isk. First off i hate isk sellers and buys alike. You do stuff in game! to make your isk. Its not too terribly hard once you got the hang of things to actually afford a full rack of +5 implants. Also EvE is not a wow, omg i have no life so im spending all my time playing so i can be cool as an elve! style game. Its ment to take time and stratagy to advance. So you should probly go back to WoW mate. Now about whats best for CCP, you dont know that, all of you that keep saying "o but itll make them more money" are idiots, money is not everything. I like to think CCP and the devs care a great deal about their game and trying to keep true it its origins and not just a sell out.
Nemoliyah	Posted - 2010.01.23 00:42:00 - [30] If you look at other games... There is nothing more booooring than having to kill one NPC after the other in order to increase your skills. You just do the same thing over and over again and you literally waste a lot of time. In EVE you can be so much more than just some player that kills NPC's. For example you could be a trader or specialize in research. With your special knowledge, other players profit from your gameplay. If you just play that game alone and don't care about interacting with others, than your Pay-For-Skills-Scheme could be nice, but that is not EVE. Here you have tons of stuff that happens outside of the game in order to make you effective inside the game, that - as mentioned above - skills of your character are only one small piece of the cake. Get into a corporation and if it is a good one, than the'll provide you with so much information that you could spend 23 hours a day just reading about how EVE works, how to make lots of ISK with just buying and selling stuff, or how you can kill a battleship with a cruiser or whatever, that you would not have any time left to be bored. I agree with you, that it is sometimes annoying that you cannot test-fly a ship in order to see if the time skilling is worth it, but if you use your time wating for the skills to complete with studying tools like EFT or EveHQ depending on what you are into, than you become used to the way EVE works. You can setup any ship in EFT and see how it would perform against a certain mission or against another player. Then you change your skills and immediately see the difference in the damage you do or the time you can withstand enemy fire. For new players EVE is just extremely complex and it is often hard to find the information you need, quickly, but I promise you: It is not a matter of missing skillpoints. If you are bored than you should consider joining a (different?) Corp. EVE is soooo much about hanging around in Voice-Chats and making plans on how to earn a lot of ISK without having to kill those boring mission rats that have zero intelligence. Of course it includes the aspect of actually earning that much money as well. ^^ For this proposal: 100% disagree.
Comodore John Gallente KILRATHI INDUSTRIES Sang Do Oligarchic Democracy	Posted - 2010.01.23 02:48:00 - [31] Edited by: Comodore John on 23/01/2010 02:48:56 Originally by: mundus123 CCP already did this by give us implants and training skills. You pay isk to buy a good implant to learn faster and there are differnt lvl's of them. Also for those that are clever and have the foresight and disicpline, use eve mon to set up a skill set plan for the next year and use the tool to determine what the optimal skill lvls shoudl be and then do a remap on your char. Also do you really want to be able to fly that shinny new expensive ship even sooner and mis sout on all tha texperience you probly need to actually fly it and then watch it die a painful death because you rushed it? Also atm it takes a basic char 4monthis to fly a carrier, do you really want to see a char able to fly one in 1 month and fly it fitted well in 2 or 3? This is what happens when you rush
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.01.23 10:25:00 - [32] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 23/01/2010 10:30:27 No no no no. This is not a game where you get to be best at everything within a year. There is a reason that training all skills to level 5 is now something like ten years of training time. Go look up MMO classes and wonder why EVE doesn't have any. Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper In every other (atleast as far as I know) MMO you can sit down, put in some effort and manage to gain a lot of levels / skills in a given time in a try to catch up with others. You have missed the key difference between EVE and other MMOs. There is no levelling in EVE. There is no catching up in EVE. There is only whether you have the ability to do something (level 5 vs level 4 is a matter of a small percentage barring unlocking other skills/items) and the ability to be able to do it well. The latter is entirely down to the person behind the keyboard; SP is irrelevant. For ages as a new player I was worried that I couldn't do stuff, and then I (figuratively speaking) sat down with some older players, did some reading on the forums, and discovered that actually 1-week old players in Rifters were not only out PvPing and having fun, but usefully contributing to tackles, laughing with their corpmates on Vent, and (here was the rub) not only having more fun than I was, but they were better at it despite my SP advantage, because of their experience. A year and a half and lots of ship losses in FW later, I too have learned a lot, and now there's a chance my two years of SP will actually be effectively applied. If you are bored, it is because you have not found something interesting to do. It is not because you need to train more skills. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:50:00 - [33] Plus as a little addendum: doesn't it feel much better finally unlocking that t2 gun or that battlecruiser after training for it for so long? ___
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.01.23 12:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Plus as a little addendum: doesn't it feel much better finally unlocking that t2 gun or that battlecruiser after training for it for so long? Those last few hours before you complete training on a long skill is a bit like Christmas, it's one of those things that makes this game such a gem.
Hiorimaru	Posted - 2010.01.23 13:59:00 - [35] Originally by: David Grogan i'd like a 1 use per year only skill training time booster card that basicaly DOUBLES your skill training time for the 30 day period. this could be useful if u have to do one of those 50+ days skills. Werry much the same im thinkin! I like it! Werry restricted and limited This will be a werry helfull boost to get any player through higrank skills! Totaly agree with you man "Press any key to continue, press any other key to exit"
Erika Bronz Gallente The Wyld Hunt Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.01.24 09:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper I was told to post my suggestion here. In every other (atleast as far as I know) MMO you can sit down, put in some effort and manage to gain a lot of levels / skills in a given time in a try to catch up with others. However. In EVE you have to sit and wait. I dont even need to play the game. This can be BOOOOOOOOOORING as I am waiting to test a new feature or so. But this also means that the money you put in is directly bound up to the amount of skillpoints you get. Is is therefore possible to pay extra (i.e. a month) to get skills accelerated for the same amount of time? (i.e., I pay triple one month and get for that month the skills to run 3 times as fast) Its the same as you have for the first time for new players. (Until they reach 1.6m skill points or something) The feature is already in game. 1. Buy PLEX. 2. Buy character. Also, learn to cooperate with others. I have seen week old characters participate in fleet fights and have fun. These are the people that "win" Eve.
AsheraII	Posted - 2010.01.25 05:07:00 - [37] Using rl money to buy EVE skills, which are actually the most valuable currency in game, though not transferable between characters, would be a bad thing. I don't know if anyone here ever played "Entropia", but using rl money to buy power in that game was what killed it. Yes, you're paying money anyway to get those skills, but you're also paying in time, which has proven to be a reliable way to weed out most of the spoiled brats, who will always want things "now".
Zenst Aliastra	Posted - 2010.01.25 07:42:00 - [38] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o They were even trolling my thread where I proposed to pay (1 PLEX) for an attribute remap (next to the one we can already do once a year), because I was suggesting to get an advantage for money. Imagine how they will troll yours. Now THAT's a good idea; Also fairer on those who have already suffered ;0. But any way shape or form of being able to buy skillpoints for your character is a huge big no from me at this late stage in the game. unless you want to turn eve into a playground of the rich who can just buy there way instead of employing somebody else instead. See thats the things realy, if you cant do it and you have the ISK then pay somebody else to do it for you. This is how it works currently and as such creates a better dynamic in the game overall.
Dr Karsun Gallente HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.25 10:24:00 - [39] This suggestion was brought down a hundred times already on these forums. NO. NO. NO. Playing more for faster SP gain - NO! That's against the whole idea of skill training in eve! Paying for faster skill training - NO! Eve is to be equal for all players, even those with a lot of cash. The best you can do is buy +5 implants for isk. Plugging in more plexes for better SP - NO! this will do the exact opposite from what you think it would. I'd instantly sell 90% of my wealth, buy as many plexes as I could for that and learn skills XXX times faster. If I had lets say 5b to spend I'd buy... 250m per plex - so 4 x 5 so 20 plex cards... I'd instantly inject them and during a month of game play I'd make 20 months of skillpoints (so like... With the average speed of 2600 sp/h normally, that'd give me 20x2600 so 52000 sp per hour, so 5200x24x30 so around 37.4m sp... During one month... If you'r one of the richer guys in eve who spend 50b without a wink - that's 374m sp in a month. Not sure how much SP does eve have to offer, but I'm almost sure that you'd easily have quite a lot of perfect skills there... So we say NO!
Tamahra Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch TriMark Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.26 22:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper I am not surprised at all for the answers that I get here, but then again your not the target for this suggestion. Can you please tell me then who the target audience for this suggestion is, if not the players who play the game that you want to screw up?
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:42:00 - [41] The kind of people who run straight to the BMW dealer when they turn 18 ___
Aqriue	Posted - 2010.01.27 03:13:00 - [42] The only skills I would pay to advance in training are all the basic support skills rank 1-3; capacitor/tank/navigation ect. The little things that make your ship function and make you cry when you don't have them to 5 yet while still having a 3 week skill in the que that just won't looks at que and yells finish already damn it! Wouldn't happen, but would be nice if it magicly did
Cedims	Posted - 2010.01.28 07:12:00 - [43] People, why the hostility towards this proposal? You ARE paying roughly $15 for say around 1.6 mil SP's (coincidence or bean counting? lol) per month resulting in about 1000 SP's per cent/penny. (If you are paying on a monthly basis, and of course, for the nitpicky, the numbers are approximate.) Yes, of course, the "time factor weed out the uninterested" ... this won't happen anyways? Of course it will, the spoiled rotten will tire of the game regardless, but you may also keep some, that might have quit, since time is also a deterring factor. (Point is, thisargument holds little weight, IMO.) I mean, come on, people (and I know lots of them) buy PLEX's to sell ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't have the ships they got if they didn't, nor the replacements when they get destroyed. One thing with that though, they are having fun, and they paid for it. (It doesn't seem to lower the number of players either, the number of players online goes up a little every day.) I think the real underlying objection to the proposal is a fear. That because someone can afford and is willing to pay, "it isn't fair" to the ones that cannot or aren't willing to, and eventually falls behind, so to speak, by people having played less time. (This, on the other hand, IMO, is the argument. Why do I think so? Because we are all paying for a service, patiently OR impatiently, all the same.)
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.01.28 11:13:00 - [44] Quote: People, why the hostility towards this proposal? To put it simply... The skill system is one of the core elements of Eve. It dictates how the game progression plays out and balances the field. Yes, you may never catch up to that person who has played for 4 more years than you (but why should you?), plus that person is more likely to quit and move on. The new player has years in game to look forward to and skill up. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Tarhim Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.28 12:28:00 - [45] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper As for rushing skills: Whats best for CCP? Having people stay in dock for 2 month playing other games because they are bored like hell (And finally giving up and cancelling) or getting the amount of money they should for the same time spend in game? If you feel that you have to stay docked for two months and train, you are clearly missing on something. This here is 2 month old char and I'm having tons of fun with it. Admit it: you're training and alt and it is really boring you, because you've been there before :)
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.01.28 13:02:00 - [46] Well said Tarhim. I am glad you are enjoying the first two months of the game as much as I did. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Shadowedmind	Posted - 2010.01.28 13:48:00 - [47] Do what I did, afk the first year until skills don't suck ass.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.01.28 14:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Shadowedmind Do what I did, afk the first year until skills don't suck ass. so you come back with decent SP and dont understand most basic game mechanics in eve! congratulations you won eve!;)
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2010.01.28 15:05:00 - [49] Originally by: Shadowedmind Do what I did, afk the first year until skills don't suck ass. That's very sad. I had a blast my first year.
Arom Wraelt	Posted - 2010.01.28 16:46:00 - [50] no no no... bad idea. One of the aspects that I love the most about this game, is the fact that you actually have to wait for a skill to train. This system accomplishes several key things that makes EVE stand out from the rest of the MMOs out there: a. It gives you time to learn the game mechanics, befor you jump into the advanced stuff (like our friend the Dred pilot up there) b. It filters out the bunch of kids that have nothing better to do other than play MMOs all day. (I hate getting f*kd by a 12 yo kid, just because he can grind xp all day, and I actually have a life) c. It takes away the posibility of advancing faster if you have RL money to throw away. (Filters spoiled brats...) d. Makes the actual completition of a skill a very ecstatic moment, and it feels like you have actually accomplished something. These basic skill-mecanics are the foundation of all that is EVE. Point (a.) makes it so that any player, new or old can participate with their corp, and learn the mechanics, and decide what path they want to take. Point (b.) makes it s that the comunity is more tolerant, i.e not rant about one having to log off to go to work, etc. Point (c.) also helps with that, and point (d.) makes you kinda "bond" with your character. I hope this explains why 99% of the players are against this. PS: YAR!
Hatch Minmatar 4 Marketeers Rura-Penthe	Posted - 2010.01.28 22:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper I am not surprised at all for the answers that I get here, but then again your not the target for this suggestion. As for rushing skills: Whats best for CCP? Having people stay in dock for 2 month playing other games because they are bored like hell (And finally giving up and cancelling) or getting the amount of money they should for the same time spend in game? if you're hiding in the station for 2 months when you first start playing, you're not learning what you need to be learning to survive in pvp or mission whoring. those first few months are critical to the development of your character and learning its abilities. if you want shortcuts, eve is not the game for you. if you want the game to be easy, eve is not for you. I suggest you undock and start using your character and you might find out that you can be quite successful with t1 guns on a t1 frigate if you take the time to actually learn.
XDSKIRBYKIA Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.28 23:42:00 - [52] GB2WOW! Case Closed - CCP you may now lock this thread and delete the OP's Account... Eve is not for them!

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