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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:15:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote: Then you have no understanding of basic economics. I pity you and your community college education.
ahahahahahahahahaha
do you even know what economics is |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
654
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:16:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:
I do this because my previous answer covers it. I do this because what you asked, was asked by dozen others.
Incorrect. You failed to respond to the section of your previous post that I had quoted. That is the real issue here after all. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:16:00 -
[303] - Quote
economics: the study of marketing virtual pants |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:economics: the study of marketing virtual pants
Does virtual make a difference? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:18:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue." Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread. I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will. Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing. A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another.
I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:19:00 -
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Since this thread has devolved into the OP simply copy/pasting his previous statements (in a dazzleing display of circular logic) that have already been meticulously shown to be incorrect assumptions on his part, I think this thread has pretty much run it's course.
It's done now except for the trolling. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:19:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Since this thread has devolved into the OP simply copy/pasting his previous statements (in a dazzleing display of circular logic) that have already been meticulously shown to be incorrect assumptions on his part, I think this thread has pretty much run it's course.
It's done now except for the trolling. I prefer to think of this as having fun through education, not trolling. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:20:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Weaselior wrote:economics: the study of marketing virtual pants Does virtual make a difference? who even knows at this point |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:20:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch.
where's the chorus of affected players, then a rogue goon |
Heldrigan Saken
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:20:00 -
[310] - Quote
To quote a someecards.com card, "I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people....I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out." |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:21:00 -
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i'm pretty good at economics, i figured it out through reading the backs of sugar packets - The Antiquarian |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:21:00 -
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oh you have that MD thread linked in the OP, nevermind
sorry, it's hard to take MD seriously after they were robbed blind by the nth bank scheme a rogue goon |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then
Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:24:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue." Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread. I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will. Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing. A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another. I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals. If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch.
The only value CCP has ever assigned those items is 500 AUR (or is it lower, I forget).
The price other players put on those items is not something CCP controls nor should be held accountable for.
If they had specifically stated the item would never be offered again, I would most certainly be on your side in this.
But they did not. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
83
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:27:00 -
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I want to make sure I'm really clear on all the points the OP is making here.
1) He spent the money ON THE SHIRT, as he would not have bought the PLEX otherwise. 2) He is upset that CCP devalued the shirt from about 2 billion ISK to somewhere around 50 million.
So, in your advanced understanding of economics, you paid the real-money equivalent of about 6.5 billion ISK (13 PLEX @ approx. 500 mil ea.) for a shirt with a peak value of 2 billion ISK (4 PLEX @ approx. 500 mil ea.). You completely ignore the fact that you were buying 13 PLEX and continue to insist that you made the purchase exclusively because CCP was offering the shirt. That is, you essentially deny that the PLEX had any value to you at all. You, therefore, according to your logic and the premises you expect us to assume, entered into a 4.5 billion ISK loss to begin with, and are now complaining. Why?
Either you are lying to us about your valuation of the offer (which I hope and assume to be true), or you are the dumbest person that has ever played EVE and should not be trusted with real money.
Say what you will about my community college education (I'm sure you have a Ph.D. from Harvard). I could apply what I learned in high school to realize that, based on your own premises, you made an awful purchase. Now, based on reality, you got a really sweet deal on 13 PLEX, plus a free shirt, which isn't so bad. Congratulations. CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:28:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue." Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread. I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will. Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing. A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another. I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals. If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. The only value CCP has ever assigned those items is 500 AUR (or is it lower, I forget). The price other players put on those items is not something CCP controls nor should be held accountable for. If they had specifically stated the item would never be offered again, I would most certainly be on your side in this. But they did not.
I don't really mine or have a complete understanding of the loot rate, but when CCP decided to cut off the ore supplies from the Drone Region and when the price of the affected ores spiked by as much as 20-30% initially, there were furious players asking for changes.
Those who were affected by the recent Nex Store move, were adversely affected by more than hundreds of % in negative return, upon the initial investment (those who purchased the shirts with ISK). Are you really telling us that CCP is not accountable for depriving their initial capital by several folds? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2124
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:31:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players.
You realize that there are only 2 or 3 people in that entire thread complaining right? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:32:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players. You realize that there are only 2 or 3 people in that entire thread complaining right?
Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3756
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:36:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote: Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers.
or you're one of the dumbest four people out of 350k.
I know which answer i'm going with |
Alerada
Scalar Aurora
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:37:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players. You realize that there are only 2 or 3 people in that entire thread complaining right? Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers.
I can extrapolate that based on your intelligence thus far... in your whole life... it will extrapolate to 0 and very probably to negative |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2125
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:40:00 -
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The drone region/mining changes are a pretty big stretch from discussing your market speculations.
CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
Obviously a shift in the economy was going to force some people to change what they are doing or they would be adversely affected. Pretty much everyone understood that basic fact, and if you are paying attention there is a best a minute fraction of the EVE player base that is complaining about it.
A great deal of mineral speculation was done prior to the change. Some people made a fortune, some people lost their shirt.
If you speculate on the value of an item it is, as always, at your own risk. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:40:00 -
[322] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers.
or you're one of the dumbest four people out of 350k. I know which answer i'm going with
CCP did market PvP on real money paying customers. This is gold. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
83
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:42:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The drone region/mining changes are a pretty big stretch from discussing your market speculations.
CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
Obviously a shift in the economy was going to force some people to change what they are doing or they would be adversely affected. Pretty much everyone understood that basic fact, and if you are paying attention there is a best a minute fraction of the EVE player base that is complaining about it.
A great deal of mineral speculation was done prior to the change. Some people made a fortune, some people lost their shirt.
If you speculate on the value of an item it is, as always, at your own risk.
Given the topic of the thread, I lol'd at "some people lost their shirt." CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:49:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The drone region/mining changes are a pretty big stretch from discussing your market speculations.
CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
Obviously a shift in the economy was going to force some people to change what they are doing or they would be adversely affected. Pretty much everyone understood that basic fact, and if you are paying attention there is a best a minute fraction of the EVE player base that is complaining about it.
A great deal of mineral speculation was done prior to the change. Some people made a fortune, some people lost their shirt.
If you speculate on the value of an item it is, as always, at your own risk. Given the topic of the thread, I lol'd at "some people lost their shirt." And throwing the rattle out the pram. |
Boober Fraggle
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:58:00 -
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Quote:CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
How? The market went way up in speculation and once the patch was actually released the price went DOWN again. You make LESS from mining AGAIN. And thats WITH hulkagoondouche running 23.5/7. I was making way more money hisec mining before the "fix". And when I say before i mean not anymore because it blows again (profit).
Veld and scord are up a bit since then, but were already up amost 100% prior to the fix. |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:07:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items. except that a person who spends $260 on "nerdy items" and plays EVE would probably buy tangible goods, like, say these thingsYou didn't spend $260 on the shirt, you spent it on PLEX. This is a fact no matter how much you insist otherwise.
I consider the Guristas shirt the best shirt I ever bought. By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.
-Abdiel Kavash
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Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:11:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote: You completely ignore the fact that you were buying 13 PLEX and continue to insist that you made the purchase exclusively because CCP was offering the shirt. That is, you essentially deny that the PLEX had any value to you at all.
No, he is hiding something vital from us. Something that might explain his relentless raging: he put all his PLEXes into the cargohold of his noobship, forgot he was in low sec, undocked and got ganked.
So, while he in theory got 13x game time from his purchase, in reality he only ended up with the shirt for his hard earned $260...
Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute |
Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
9
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:12:00 -
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Wow this thread is still going! |
Trini Soren
The Actinic Agency
1
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:54:00 -
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Why am I not seeing these items in the NeX store? |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
9
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:25:00 -
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Trini Soren wrote:Why am I not seeing these items in the NeX store?
I'm not seeing either of the two accidental releases/screwups on the NEX store. Perhaps this means CCP is taking action to fix this mess?
I would like all of these shirts purchased from the NEX store given a new name and turned into a separate item from the original "special edition" shirts. That way the "special edition" shirts can maintain their rareity, but people can still get something that looks the same on the NEX store at a reasonable price.. everybody wins. |
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