yeah i am sort of stumped at this point because every time i think he couldn't embarrass himself more he goes and does it

I really see no need for personal insults here. If you cannot be civil, then perhaps you should use the very handy little block function that CCP have given us so that you do not have to see certain people posting. At the rate you are going this thread will be locked and you will end up getting a warning, I'm pretty certain that will not help anyone.

Could you kindly examine the first 10 pages or so? I tried to be civil and calm but after days/weeks of having to endure personal insults from hundreds of people, I guarantee you that even Jesus couldn't handle this kind of stress.

It only requires a single response from CCP DEVS regarding how they will be making an appropriate reparation for the disadvantaged parties, and an absolute guarantee that they won't screw up with other historical items for future marketing promotion. Once ALL the demands are met, I don't see why this thread shouldn't be locked.

CCP promised us that he would provide a response a week ago. A week ago. I had to contact another CCP Dev, to find out that they are still working on a solution.

Could you kindly examine the first 10 pages or so? I tried to be civil and calm

It only requires a single response from CCP DEVS regarding how they will be making an appropriate reparation for the disadvantaged parties, and an absolute guarantee that they won't screw up with other historical items for future marketing promotion.

If their language concerns you, then use the report function. Resorting to verbal abuse and baseless insults just because others choose to is a poor excuse sir. You have other lines of communication to CCP open to you, and yet you choose to continue posting in a thread where you know people will attempt to goad you into an argument.

It could be said that you were doing so on purpose, and thus any future complaint you might make regarding the behaviour of other posters would be void. Do yourself a favour, either block those people whose opinions or words cause you distress or report them to CCP.

As for making demands, perhaps you should make requests instead, that way people might be less inclined to ignore you. Having worked in customer services in varying positions and in many different sectors of business, I personally would be much less likely to help someone who behaved in the manner you are displaying here.

So wait CCp removed game items from players with out reinbursement?

I find myself in this fascinating situation where if I were in real life, I would've never talked to a sort of trailer trash like you, but this great game of EVE brings all of us together so that we can whine and moan at each other. It's great.

No.
They started selling a previous free item for modest price without reimbursing those who got it for freeGǪ

..and than after acknowledging it was done in error have yet to let those affected know what to expect.

GǪand the question remains: why should they expect any kind of compensation for an item that they received for free?

That's your question and it's unimportant and meaningless.

I find myself in this fascinating situation where if I were in real life, I would've never talked to a sort of trailer trash like you, but this great game of EVE brings all of us together so that we can whine and moan at each other. It's great.

You can keep calling me stupid or idiot or whatever you can think of. Once again, the 10,058 Goon tear that I was able to generate with a no-name alt, fuels me and keeps me motivated.

Goons, much appreciated for the continued interest in this thread and bumping em.

grats on your 15 minutes of fame

GǪand the question remains: why should they expect any kind of compensation for an item that they received for free?

The fair thing to do would be to let the suckers who bought it for AUR have their AUR back and keep the shirt so everyone paid the same price for it.

That is a pathetic answer. There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. It provides additional cash inflow for CCP while having absolutely no impact on the pre-existing capusleers' gameplay.

It is a system only for those who are willing to spend their own money purely for cosmetic purpose. Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run?

More cash inflow => Higher valuation of the company => the cost of capital goes down for both, equity and debt => better financing options from willing banks and other investors => more employees, more gameplay, more expansions, more Dust, more WoD, more EVE Online, more compensated CCP employees, more quality contents => Win-Win situation for all the stakeholders.

Don't just think about the short-term. Think about what is best for EVE Online and CCP in the long-run for Christ's sake.

Quality is greater than quantity. EVE is an interactive science fiction simulator and a sandbox style game. It is self-evident why microtransactions are bad for such an environment. What I see with Aurum is CCP being short-sighted in its belief that microtransactions will make it more money and thus be good for EVE, at the expense of the long-term integrity of the simulation and sandbox.

I hold that anyone who advocates or uses Aurum is careless in at least one of two ways. Either they haven't followed the ramifications of such a system on a sandbox/simulation through to its almost immediately obvious conclusion, or else they just plain don't care beyond getting their kicks right now.

Microtransactions move EVE from the awesome scifi-simulator/sandbox realm, and into the realm of cheap arcade games (just pump in another quarter ...) or Zynga games. It's a move from away from meaningful and towards vapid. By supporting it, you've picked up the snake and opened the door to all sorts of nastiness, including situations like your current one. Congratulations.

It's not like it's particularly strange that promotional items later become available to all and sundry (in fact, CCP has done exactly that on a number of occasions, and since it's the nature of promotional items, it didn't really come as a surprise to anyone).

I personally don't see how aurum has any further effect on the integrity of the game than plex already does.

And what are the ramifications you are seeing? It is entirely possible I'm being totally naive in this, but I'm not seeing any foregone conclusions as of yet.

We have a choice of believing CCP in their statement that they will do no game affecting MT's or not. If you believe there is intentional deceit and the intention is for this to move from an inconsequential cash shop to a P2W cash shop then there is no reason to remain here. It's true that it could be a case of boiling the frog, but then it falls to each player to determine at what point from an absolute standard to call it quits. Until we start seeing some actual moves in that direction it may be too early to officially declare that any MT is the downfall of the game.

I would also think that a true simulation of a "sifi world" would have taken into account propensities for seemingly vapid and meaningless actions and obsessions. But I suppose that comes back down to the argument between a Eve as a "spaceship game" or "scifi game."

And you are right about quality over quantity, but additional funding can be great assistance in both.

Off topic and trolling removed.

There is no need for any discussions that the release of the Ishukone shirt was a mistake and shouldn't have happened, CCP t0rfifrans stated that already in clear words.

I would like to remind everyone to stay polite and constructive in their replies, forum rule violations and personal attacks will not be allowed.

Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue.

I would also think that a true simulation of a "sifi world" would have taken into account propensities for seemingly vapid and meaningless actions and obsessions. But I suppose that comes back down to the argument between a Eve as a "spaceship game" or "scifi game."

It already is pay-to-win (read: pay for an advantage) and has been since the inclusion of PLEX. I groaned about that, too. Aurum takes it a step further by generating in-game items (vanity or otherwise is largely irrelevant to the principal alone) from thin air, predominantly coming from those with the cash to spend. The ramifications of this are inherently only slightly more dire than the fact that EVE itself is still based on a faucet/sink system*. However, when placed on top of the already fundamentally flawed notion that a faucet/sink system has any place in a simulator it is a clear indication that EVE is moving even further away from a deep simulator and towards a casual, pump-in-your-quarter, get your kicks and **** the rest style game..

the fact that no game system or mechanic contributes to their creation is countered and justified by the fact that they have no affect in return.

Regarding sinks and faucets, I'd always thought of this as a mechanism to account for the shortfalls of the simulation. Perhaps to counter missing factors such as a lack constant technological advancement of upkeep and the purposeful prevention of items falling toward obsolescence.

It already is pay-to-win (read: pay for an advantage) and has been since the inclusion of PLEX.

But they do have an effect. No part of the game is completely separate from the rest of the game. It all adds up to define what EVE is.