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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2100
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:35:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.
Items sold through the NEX.
This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8176
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:36:00 -
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You're talking about your simile, I take it?
Quote:When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. GǪwhich bears no relevance to this case, since the shirt did come with a price: free with purchase. Now, it is no longer free GÇö you have to pay 500 AUR for it. 500 AUR > free.
iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done. No, because CCP didn't set that 1b+ price to begin with GÇö other players did. CCP haven't changed the price of Hulks either, and I've still been able to sell the ones I had in storage for several hundreds of millions in profit each. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:37:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.
Welp |

Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:43:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Rikula wrote:False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price. Bad analogy. The ~shirt~ was in this case quite clearly given free when the PLEX were purchased. The ~shirt~ is a lie
Not a bad analogy, because you're focusing on an irrelevant part of the analogy - the point was to show how prices are not determined by some inherent property of the item itself. Just because an item lacks a "price property" doesn't mean it has no value, or is free.
Even in bundles like this, people value so-called "freebies". Suppose you were to purchase a bundle of 5 dvd's, which came free with a sixth specific dvd. You don't therefore value the sixth dvd as being zero. You might jump onto ebay, and sell it for maybe half or a quarter of its normal retail price. It still has a value to you and to others, and its price is not zero.
Maybe you even did a cost calculation: "I only really want 4 of the 5 dvd's, but if I sell the sixth free one, I can recuperate some of the cost for the 5th one I don't really want". In this case, for you there *is* a price for the sixth dvd.
Maybe you're one of those people that thinks you get a mobile for free when it says, "pay $0 for your mobile phone on a 24 month contract!". It's not actually free to you.
Anyway, main point: Ishukone shirt was more expensive pre-patch and is less expensive post-patch. Not the other way. |

Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:48:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Rikula wrote: False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.
Which is fine since he didn't pay anything for it.
^ This.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1367
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:48:00 -
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lol a fool and his plex are soon parted |

Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:52:00 -
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damn, I will probably not be playing for the next month, but I'm buying an Ishukone shirt myself right now |

Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:53:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol a fool and his plex are soon parted
CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want.
(and just for the record, I have not ever purchased a plex for real world money) |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
385
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:55:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
wow. CCP's dumbask moves don't generally surprise me anymore, but I'm shocked they did this. I understand and agree with making some cheap stuff available, but it should've been new cheap stuff...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8177
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:56:00 -
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Rikula wrote:CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want. Good thing that they're not doing that, then.
The people in question got the PLEX they bought and a valuable item on top of that. The OP made a fool of himself by not cashing out early on an item that could only ever decrease in value. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:57:00 -
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Rikula wrote:Even in bundles like this, people value so-called "freebies". Suppose you were to purchase a bundle of 5 dvd's, which came free with a sixth specific dvd. You don't therefore value the sixth dvd as being zero. You might jump onto ebay, and sell it for maybe half or a quarter of its normal retail price. It still has a value to you and to others, and its price is not zero.
You confuse the terms "value" and "price" here. The price is in fact zero, but no one have ever claimed that the value is zero. Regarding your latest analogy: you are wrong again. The price of the sixth DVD is zero, but the value is indeed higher as he can sell it on eBay. Just as OP could sell his shirt (which had the price tag of zero when he got it in the first place) on "eBay" if he wanted to.
Back to the DVD example: To acquire the sixth DVD, you don't pay a penny. You could always say, "no, I don't want six DVD's, five is enough", but you'd still have to pay the same price as you would have with the sixth one included. In other words: the price is zero. He wouldn't have gotten a discount if he had said no to the extra DVD. Why take it? Well, it's free, and you could possibly make money off it by selling it...
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
4
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done. Items sold through the NEX. This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter.
Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8179
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:15:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX. GǪand they haven't changed the price of it in the NeX.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Rikula wrote:CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want. Good thing that they're not doing that, then. The people in question got the PLEX they bought and a valuable item on top of that. The OP made a fool of himself by not cashing out early on an item that could only ever decrease in value.
Because Limited items always decrease in value.
Go have a look at the price history in market.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8179
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:20:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Because Limited items always decrease in value. No, because indestructible items with a fixed price can never increase in value GÇö they cannot become scarce and if the price increase, people will just go to the source and buy them from there.
Oh, and the shirt was not a GÇ£limited itemGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:23:00 -
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Sidious Lord wrote: You confuse the terms "value" and "price" here.
You may be right in a certain context that I "confused" these terms. But my overall point is correct, and I don't think that your point is helpful. Tippia said:
Tippia wrote:GǪnot to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public.
Well, price is relative to a particular offer. Suppose that someone has purchased the 13 plex offer and put the shirt on market for 100mil. While the offer is live, it has a price of $0 (though no-one can truly part out no money and get the shirt) AND a price of 100 mil = ~0.2 plex = ~$3, depending on context. Of course, no one could choose to pay $0 over $3 - they have to get a bundle.
After offer expires, with scarcity and demand, the shirt sells for around 2bil (with buy orders lower). Relative to those sellers, the price is 2bil = ~4 plex = ~$60. When CCP reintroduced it for the low price of 500 aurum, it then has a price of maybe $2 or 70 mil.
But again, prices are relative to contexts. So I don't see how that distinction is helpful. Even *if* we assume that the price was free in the initial offer, it is STILL true that prices went down after patch compared to pre-patch. |

Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Disdaine wrote:Because Limited items always decrease in value. No, because indestructible items with a fixed price can never increase in value GÇö they cannot become scarce and if the price increase, people will just go to the source and buy them from there. Oh, and the shirt was not a GÇ£limited itemGÇ¥.
Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited.
This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months.
Maybe that price rise had something to do with the fact that people just couldn't go to the source and buy from there, hence making the item limited.

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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:27:00 -
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And I want to remind that some things have definitely been added wrongly to the NEX, devaluing investment. Given that 4 items (by my count) were in error added, it is not a stretch to suppose that the ishukone and the red/black executor coats were also wrongly added.
Edit: It seems the duplicates have now been removed, but the damage has been more than done. |

Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:28:00 -
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Risky investments sometimes don't work out like they ought to.
Should have gone with Bitcoins, mayne. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
705
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:28:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8184
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:33:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited. GǪaside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item.
Quote:This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months. Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Disdaine wrote:Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited. GǪaside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item. Quote:This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months. Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that.
Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it.
Maybe I should go and make a video to help you understand.
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:51:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Tippia wrote:Disdaine wrote:Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited. GǪaside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item. Quote:This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months. Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that. Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it. Maybe I should go and make a video to help you understand.
And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2101
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:51:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done. Items sold through the NEX. This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter. Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX.
That shirt did not already exist on the NEX, which is specifically what they were talking about.
Selective quoting isn't going to help your argument. Let me refresh your memory.
Quote:Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices so that we donGÇÖt devalue the investment that some players have already made.
Underlined the pertinent part, which clearly shows they are talking about items previously sold in the NEX. Note that there is no guarantee that items previously sold at higher price points in the NEX will continue to be sold thru the NEX or may possibly be brought into line with other similar clothing items eventually.
Your free Special Edition shirt you got for purchasing 13 PLEX was never sold on the NEX and is not what they were discussing.
In fact, it has never previously been sold by CCP at any price, only on the open player driven market for whatever the market would bear.
No limited edition, no promises made regarding it what so ever.
I'm sorry you missed your opportunity to profit, but frankly you blew it. Thankfully, you haven't lost any money on your blunder, you received full value in the PLEX that you purchased, and your free gift is still worth at least a little. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:55:00 -
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Quote:Since the middle of 2011 we have had nearly 200 items of unreleased clothing sat in the EVE client waiting to be used.
Nekminnit.
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Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
35
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:56:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
You also bought a monocle. Your argument is invalid. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8186
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:58:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it. GǪand the store on the corner ran out of tea biscuits the other day. I suppose that made them GǣlimitedGǥ as well. 
Rikula wrote:And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word. Again, I have the special edition of Aliens right here in my book shelf, much like pretty much everyone I know. Come to think of it, what is the item actually calledGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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SamedySam
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:09:00 -
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Laughing so damn hard at OP right now.         |

Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:]GǪand the store on the corner ran out of tea biscuits the other day. I suppose that made them GǣlimitedGǥ as well. 
Now you're being facetious. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1193
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:15:00 -
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people are arguing about dumb crap they buy to play dress-up with their ~eve toonies~
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