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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
386
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:16:00 -
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Dirk Culliford wrote:So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal.
Obviously you have not examined the initial offer proposed by the great CCP marketing department. When it held the special sale of 13 X Plex for the shirt promotion, it made it sound as if the purchase of the 13 x PLEX was the only viable venue for anyone to obtain the shirt. Similar to the Interbus Shuttle handed out along with the actual copy of the EVE Online client, I figured it would make a terrific investment and a sound collectible.
If more people purchased 13 X PLEXs and the price of the shirt decreased due to the increase in the supply, I have no grudge against it. But the problem here is that CCP "artificially" increased the supply of the Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, thereby, making the initial investment worthless. There are also those who purchase the shirt for 1.1B-1.4B with logical expectation that under no circumstances, would CCP make a direct interference on the market.
CCP nerfs and do funny stuff in the market often times. They might change the venue of rare ores and have the prices increase by 10%~50% and vice versa. But as for the ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT, CCP, without any warning, lowered the market price from 1.1B-1.4B to 0.001B in a matter of 3 seconds.
You claim that I failed Economics 101? Having collected rare items for the past several years, I assure you that i have increased my net worth MANY TIMES over whatever meager amount you have. This is not the failure or the lack of my economics knowledge. It is the failure of the CCP to provide a clear explanation prior to making market disruptions.
Trust me, if CCP said these shirts will be available for meager $0.50 cents, I wouldn't have bothered with purchasing 13 X PLEXs. |
Soldarius
TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent
250
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:27:00 -
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My tear cup overfloweth.
Someday I'm going to make a toon, who's one and only job is to collect tears and display them in some sort of museum or Hall of Fame. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1008
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:29:00 -
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The PLEX bought several months ago still have the same monetary value.
The virtual shirt that was free several months ago is now worth 50c.
If you have a problem with that, then don't spend RL cash on non-existent items. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Dirk Culliford
Aliastra Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:40:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Dirk Culliford wrote:So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal. Obviously you have not examined the initial offer proposed by the great CCP marketing department. When it held the special sale of 13 X Plex for the shirt promotion, it made it sound as if the purchase of the 13 x PLEX was the only viable venue for anyone to obtain the shirt. Similar to the Interbus Shuttle handed out along with the actual copy of the EVE Online client, I figured it would make a terrific investment and a sound collectible. If more people purchased 13 X PLEXs and the price of the shirt decreased due to the increase in the supply, I have no grudge against it. But the problem here is that CCP "artificially" increased the supply of the Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, thereby, making the initial investment worthless. There are also those who purchase the shirt for 1.1B-1.4B with logical expectation that under no circumstances, would CCP make a direct interference on the market. CCP nerfs and do funny stuff in the market often times. They might change the venue of rare ores and have the prices increase by 10%~50% and vice versa. But as for the ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT, CCP, without any warning, lowered the market price from 1.1B-1.4B to 0.001B in a matter of 3 seconds. You claim that I failed Economics 101? Having collected rare items for the past several years, I assure you that i have increased my net worth MANY TIMES over whatever meager amount you have. This is not the failure or the lack of my economics knowledge. It is the failure of the CCP to provide a clear explanation prior to making market disruptions. Trust me, if CCP said these shirts will be available for meager $0.50 cents, I wouldn't have bothered with purchasing 13 X PLEXs.
I however have $260 that you don't have |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
436
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:51:00 -
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All Unique Items becomes obsolete after time.
You were special for while in your own eyes. I got one when it was first released, since even before it was sold with 13 plexes, you could buy it on the Aurum store for 1.2 Billion isk if you have the Isk and I had the saved up Aurum to do so.
Mine costed me nothing, months before you bought yours for 13 plexes. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
203
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:23:00 -
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My biggest concern is when CCP will give us hats. Compared to other vanity items hats can actually be seen on a players portrait. CCP please give us hats.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
9
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:26:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:My biggest concern is when CCP will give us hats. Compared to other vanity items hats can actually be seen on a players portrait. CCP please give us hats.
OH GOD YES HATS! AND WHEN YOU RELEASE THEM PROMOTIONAL TF2 HATS AS WELL OH GOD GIVE ME MORE HATS! |
Soldarius
TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent
250
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:31:00 -
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My first inclination was to rage and get forum banned. Instead... I'll just drop a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:08:00 -
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I'm with the OP on this, there has to be some level of belief in the value of stuff in the game, when some of you nubs are faced with buying a Titan then you're gonna pray that they never give them out like Rifters!
I'm wondering if this is a new 'accidental' CCP Isk sink? If so what could be next? I'd suggest keeping any real cash out of the game if they're gonna act like a corrupt third world treasury.
I put a similiar concern regarding the shirt on the marketing forums:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125876&find=unread |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:18:00 -
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Does anyone else find it deeply amusing that in a game where people regularly mislead each other, sometimes by being completely honest and allowing the other party to assume in the blanks, an individual is upset the creator of it might be doing the same?
What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything. |
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Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:14:00 -
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Tobias Durandal wrote:What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything. There was no guarantee. There is also no guarantee that someone in Iceland will seed Jove ships for 1 ISK on the market. But there's a certain likelihood that it won't happen. This likelihood was betrayed.
To make it clear: I like diversity when it comes to creating and customising your avatar. I don't generally disagree with cheap NeX items. But a massive devaluation of an investment (either ISK or real world currency) shouldn't happen like this. There was no need for it. Even a small modification could do.
My suggestion would be to modify the new version retrospectively. Change the colours or whatever. It's a virtual item after all. Should be possible.
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Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:19:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Tobias Durandal wrote:What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything. There was no guarantee. There is also no guarantee that someone in Iceland will seed Jove ships for 1 ISK on the market. But there's a certain likelihood that it won't happen. This likelihood was betrayed. To make it clear: I like diversity when it comes to creating and customising your avatar. I don't generally disagree with cheap NeX items. But a massive devaluation of an investment (either ISK or real world currency) shouldn't happen like this. There was no need for it. Even a small modification could do. My suggestion would be to modify the new version retrospectively. Change the colours or whatever. It's a virtual item after all. Should be possible.
And here's my suggestion. Before entering into a transaction, perhaps really examine what the terms of it are. That way, there's no surprise to you later down the road. If it wasn't set in stone as a guarentee, odds are? It's not gonna happen. |
Romar Agent
Ishukone Regional Headquarters
62
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:30:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:... CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! ... Basically I would suggest to treat any item in the game as nonunique. |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:33:00 -
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It's about faith not being a lawyer.
Nothing belongs to us legally even our avatars belong to CCP, but industry is a key part of the game from producing to trading, lots of players are drawn to that part of the game and we all have to have faith that certain things in the game are of value and are worth our investment in time, isk, ingenuity or even more seriously real life cash without that trust or if that trust is betrayed then why should any of us bother with a game where everything and anything can suddenly be made worthless? |
Rikula
Opur
4
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:54:00 -
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Captain IQ wrote:It's about faith not being a lawyer.
Nothing belongs to us legally even our avatars belong to CCP, but industry is a key part of the game from producing to trading, lots of players are drawn to that part of the game and we all have to have faith that certain things in the game are of value and are worth our investment in time, isk, ingenuity or even more seriously real life cash without that trust or if that trust is betrayed then why should any of us bother with a game where everything and anything can suddenly be made worthless?
This is a big part of what I've been saying. Even if CCP was within their rights to do this, is it something they should have done?
There are plenty of reasons for them to not do it.
Plenty of reasons for them to fix it.
Very few, if any, reasons to do it in the first place and leave it as it is.
Basically it works against their goals of trying to build investment in clothing in terms of aurum or ISK - it's bad for them, and bad for players. And I hope they do address it. |
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
21
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:29:00 -
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Open a petition to have your unique shirt changed to one that says "I bought 13 PLEX and all I got was this fake T-shirt" |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
646
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:03:00 -
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I think this is hilarious. Virtual people crying about virtual stuff being worth virtually nothing. Epic. That you fell for this epic troll by CCP makes me a very happy avatar.
Is this not what people have been saying since the first introduction of the NeX, that you'd be a fool for paying so much for virtual stuff? You, Sir, are now the fool. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:30:00 -
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At least I agree to your signature! I still want school uniforms.
Any comments from CCP yet? I just read a reply in a thread complaining about the Monocles. They said that they're not going to be introduced for a few Aurums. So is this double standard or inadvertence? Or both?
And about buying stuff for 13 plex. It's not just about this. I bought the Women's Executor Coat (red/gold) which was part of a special deal in Russia for around 150.000.000 ISK on the market using buy orders. At the same time the lowest sell order was around 430.000.000 ISK. And it sold. It is not only about buying virtual items for real world currency. But I guess haters will be haters... |
Rikula
Opur
5
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:11:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: Any comments from CCP yet? I just read a reply in a thread complaining about the Monocles. They said that they're not going to be introduced for a few Aurums. So is this double standard or inadvertence? Or both?
Could you link it please? |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:18:00 -
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So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! |
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Alaura Aquila
Sarz'na Khumatari
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:48:00 -
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Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!
Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.
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Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:51:00 -
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Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Is that what this is about?
I can confirm this. It is still a miracle that this threads goes on...
Under new management since 06-06-2012 Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
61
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:07:00 -
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Investing in anything related to Incarna given the actual development status it has, it's pretty crazy. |
Freezehunter
193
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:41:00 -
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Don't ***** at CCP because you were ******** enough to buy a monocle for 70 dollars and virtual clothes for 20 dollars each.
Thanks. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:53:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:Don't ***** at CCP because you were ******** enough to buy a monocle for 70 dollars and virtual clothes for 20 dollars each.
Thanks.
Completely irrelevant for this thread. Please read thread (or at least the first page) before posting.
Under new management since 06-06-2012 Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 15:21:00 -
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Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.
I started reading this thread, thinking "Dafuq CCP"....
Then I actually did the math |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:09:00 -
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Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.
Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.
You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.
What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.
As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.
CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again. |
Heldrigan Saken
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:04:00 -
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Caveat Emptor |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:49:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special. Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items. You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP. What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices. As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP. CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.
We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Portifino line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Portifino cigars (value $90.00) for only $79.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.
6 months later...
We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Petite line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Petite cigars (value $75.00) for only $59.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.
1 year later...
Due to demand we are pleased to annouce that our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighter emblazoned with the Macanudo logo will now be available for purchase at your local tobacco shop for $14.95.
None of this is unfactual advertising, and is legitimately done every day in just about every industry you can name. Any claims made that they should not be allowed to include their Special Edition lighter (that they often use to sweeten introductory offers) in more than one advertising campaign, or eventually for seperate sale, would be laughed at.
The lighter isn't the "one time offer", it is the sale price on that particular item along with their branded lighter being thrown in addtionally that is the "one time offer".
They could easily run that same offer with as many different lines of their cigars as they like, or on the same line but with a different item (say a branded cigar cutter) thrown in instead.
By the same token, they can sell as many of their Special Edition lighters as they wish. The fact that they have a unique color or logo on them is what makes them a Special Edition, not a limit on how many are going to be made or sold via various methods.
This is exactly the same type of offer that was made that included the shirts in question.
At some point you have to take responsibility as a consumer to actually read what an offer is saying before you accept it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
83
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:53:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: . . . many of us were compelled to purchase . . . .
Enticed, not compelled. [quote=The Antiquarian][quote=Alaura Aquila] . . . with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt.
To my knowledge, CCP has not made the same offer (1 shirt with purchase of 13 PLEX) again, so the claim was entirely true.
CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
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