Hi Pipa,

I'm only going to comment on the parts that are relevant to CCL here.

• I don't create the rules.

I had thought that my statement 'I ask you to please follow the rules that have been stated here' would have been taken in reference to the rules stated in in CCP Spitfire's post, I am sorry that it didn't come across clearly.

As I mentioned earlier, I have now raised this issue with the CCL team, not everyone was aware of rules against Killboard posts, I have raised this internally now so hopefully there will be no more misunderstandings.

I apologise again on behalf of the CCL team, the information given by ISD Praetoxx was incorrect.

Thanks and fly safe.

Discussions around killmails usually belong to the Crime & Punishment forum channel and there we have special rules additional to the general forum rules.

Posting killmails, killboard links or screenshots of killboards will be considered as trolling or off-topic, and subject to removal or warning.

Good afternoon,

To answer your question specifically, Rodyas:
You and your fellow forum users are not allowed to post killmails, killboard links or screenshots of killboards in General Discussion.

In the mean time, CCP Spitfire has stated in two places here and here that Killmails are considered a form of trolling.

As I've said before, we are enforcing CCPs decision in the matter, not making the rules up ourselves.

In the mean time, CCP Spitfire has stated in two places here and here that Killmails are considered a form of trolling.

Are you guys going to remove the restriction on posting on CAOD with alts since you're just moving all of the bad NPC alt threads there?

I mean that restriction exists for a reason doesn't it?

Is it just me, or are people trying to incite another forum protest today?

Who knows. But the quality of ISD posts and moderation has been dropping again.

Agreed & it's happening very rapidly.

CCP; You really need to get this under control on a permanent basis or you could possibly end up with another forum riot such as the one in June. I would also suggest seriously reconsidering the need for unpaid forum moderators, considering that a large portion of the EVE community (Which you claim to love so dearly) disagrees with this course of action.

Our ISD CCL team interprets the forum rules to their best knowledge and intent. It is perfectly valid for the CCL team to act in accordance with their understanding of the forum rules and to contact the EVE Community team for confirmation that this interpretation is correct. This is not considered creating rules - especially not when it is mentioned that the EVE Community team has been contacted for confirmation or assistance.

You and your fellow forum users are not allowed to post killmails, killboard links or screenshots of killboards in General Discussion.

We realise there is not a specific rule forbidding posting killmails, killboard links or screenshots of killboards in the Forum rules

Forum rules don't exactly state that I can't post racoon **** either, but it's pretty darned likely that it'll get the heck moderated out of it, if I did.

They've said they interpret killmail posts as trolling, then link some very good explanations as to why and a blue post even tells you that it's their job to interpret the rules. (They being the ISD CCL).

Cut them some slack and stop bad posting; it's a lot better here when people are talking about the game and not whining at the help.

Do you really not think that asking CCP to *LIST ALL THE RULES* and every possible connotation is ridiculous ?
Pro-tip: It is.

If you force them down this line, do you not think that might lead to the so-called censorship that people keep blattering about ?
Pro-tip: It will and people will blame the likes of you for it.

Before you ask, no I'm not mad. I've been around for a while, I lurk more then I post (obviously) and all I see is ISD people being helpful in game, in the forums and in EVE Radio.

Sure they do.
[Rule 3]Posting images and ASCII art on the forums is prohibited with the following exceptions:

You just totally undermined your own argument; right there.

Did I mention images or ascii art ? No; I did not.

But you assumed intent and hurt, you interpreted my post and quoted forum rules at me; to make what I said *wrong*.

The ISD people apply generalised forum rules, to make this place nice and constructive, and to make things right.
Because they know that people rarely make intentionally hostile posts, but the best way to avoid that is to not have ambiguity.

This thread has fulfilled its purpose. It is about time to unsticky it as it has derailed in such a fashion that hurts the initial message we wanted to bring across. Yes we are still going through the growing pains and yes there is still room to improve, but this has become something else entirely.

The CCL seminar that Navigator mentioned will be held this week with the exact time and date to be announced later.

This thread has fulfilled its purpose. It is about time to unsticky it as it has derailed in such a fashion that hurts the initial message we wanted to bring across. Yes we are still going through the growing pains and yes there is still room to improve, but this has become something else entirely.

The CCL seminar that Navigator mentioned will be held this week with the exact time and date to be announced later.

It's been a year since your started the CCL program. You're well past the time when "growing pains" of this magnitude are acceptable. Trying to bury this thread isn't going to help that.

You're also not answering the question at hand. Why are you allowing ISD Volunteers to create new rules (or, and this is no better, enforce the rules of one subforum on the rest of the forum).


By the way, rushing to claim victory and bury the evidence doesn't work well on the internet.

It's been a year since your started the CCL program. You're well past the time when "growing pains" of this magnitude are acceptable. Trying to bury this thread isn't going to help that.

You're also not answering the question at hand. Why are you allowing ISD Volunteers to create new rules (or, and this is no better, enforce the rules of one subforum on the rest of the forum).


By the way, rushing to claim victory and bury the evidence doesn't work well on the internet.

I mentioned nothing about victory and nowhere did I state that the future Navigator spoke about is here. That should do enough to indicate that our work isn't finished, shouldn't it? I'm not burying anything, I have the lock function for that.

We are aware of the issue that arose last week and we are simply still discussing it. I know that is a vague answer but it is the only one you will get for now.

This thread has fulfilled its purpose.

Finally, the Community team will be locking the myriad of threads on criticizing ISD. You can direct all comments to this thread only as this is the only one we will be following and answering.

This thread would make an awesome sticky thread, then everyone could read it & see how you have nothing to hide... Oh wait, nevermind.