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Hien Morisato
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Posted - 2010.03.28 00:38:00 -
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Great idea but you need to be a little bit less one sided on this topic. On top of that members should be here to debate not simply to say "no" if you say "no" state explain your views. Personally I like the idea but it needs to have a few other changes made in order to balance it. I understand where all the combat pilots are coming from, that you are "paying" CONCORD to fight. That is absolutely true, and from a couple of the other posts they use the examples of real-life wars. Not to be the barer of bad news but no nation has ever had to pay a "World Governing Body" to go to war with another country nor have they ever had to "Formally" declare war on another country before attacking it or wait 24 hours after declaring war to attack another nation. This is after all a game not the real world so using real world examples is pointless. Now back to the idea of only allowing a corporation that is declaring war against another corporation the ability to attack in high-sec with out the declaration of war not being consensual. Again great idea just needs a little bit more balancing. For example if you look at empire space right now there is very little differences besides the fact that capital ships can't jump into high-sec, and CONCORD isn't as strong in low-sec as it is in High-sec. Well, with that in mind why couldn't CONCORD enforce the fact that a Declaration of War must be consensual for attacks to be made in High-sec. The fact is they easily could, however you would basically turn High-sec into a safe-zone. As we all know PvPers "hate" safe-zones with a passion. It would also basically turn low-sec more of a combat zone then it already is. So what would also have to be changed is the securities in low-sec. Face it Empire space is Empire space. Its roughly 1/10th the size of Null sec so why not actually give the police a set of teeth to defend that section of space. Basically make High-sec into a Safe-zone unless the Declaration of War is Mutual. Once that happens you can kill any where you wish. Low-sec gets a security increase which would make some of the high-sec missions that put you into low-sec safe again for all the PvEers. Also it would spread out the empire space players, an increase in minerals meaning cheaper ships, an increase in tech II and tech III minerals for again cheaper ships and modules. Would give the industrial corps more of a purpose in this game rather then just being "targets" or lambs to the slaughter. And for all those combat pilots the battles would be truly impressive. You would end up getting battles that had 100+ pilots. Mutual wars though both sides take losses and get kills the battles are truly epic being that "both" sides actually want to fight. How many combat corps actually spend most of they're time sitting on gate camps for a couple of kills or camping a station with 3 or 4 war targets. I know I have, and I know I've taken losses for fighting with others. It happens the trick is to "enjoy" the game. So below is the changes that would have to be made in order for this to work
1.) Low-sec would have to receive a more aggressive police force one that would actually prevent or limit ganking to the ganking force taking losses but still have the ability to run from CONCORD if needed. 2.) In order to fight with out CONCORD interference in High-sec the Declaration of War would have to be Mutual.
Now I know what the null sec guys are saying. "this will force the Gate camp pirates into Null" well it would make Null sec what its truly suppose to be "OUT-LAW" space. I'm actually working on another purposal for you guys in Null sec that will make your lives much much easier. But in the end we all know its up to CCP whether or not these requests are implemented.
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Rogue Steel
Order of the Chaotic Sewn Together Wrong
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Posted - 2010.03.28 04:58:00 -
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Eve is survival of the fittest.
Starting a corp takes a certain level of responsibility. If you can't keep yourselves afloat through a war, maybe you just aren't ready to own a corp yet.
Members who are d-bags in local will attract random wardecks. If you are incapable of policing your members and maintaining recruitment standards maybe you aren't ready to own a corp yet. If the shoe fits here.
If you are wardecked, often a lil bit of diplomacy can resolve the war. If you have no RL communication skills, maybe you aren't ready to own a corp yet.
Corp members often expect a certain level of security and defense from their corp. If you are unable to provide security for your members in one way or another, maybe you aren't ready to own a corp yet.
Naming your corp 'Super Elite Turbo Mining Corp' or something similar will attract greifers. If you can't come up with a better name, maybe you aren't ready to own a corp yet.
Rogue
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Saraya Velcrow
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Posted - 2010.03.30 15:14:00 -
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No but not that simple. Maby ccp could implement a way to mark your corp as a NON combat corp. so other players cannot wardec or shoot you unpunished. BUT then again your corp should be prohibited to participate in any combat situations. and denied acces to 0.0. Or some other nifty way ccp can think of. Most of the times industrial corps get wardect for the fun of it and because they can. playing eve should remain fun for EVERY player. and wardeccing a corp just for the fun of it is grieffing.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.03.30 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Saraya Velcrow No but not that simple. Maby ccp could implement a way to mark your corp as a NON combat corp. so other players cannot wardec or shoot you unpunished. BUT then again your corp should be prohibited to participate in any combat situations. and denied acces to 0.0. Or some other nifty way ccp can think of. Most of the times industrial corps get wardect for the fun of it and because they can. playing eve should remain fun for EVERY player. and wardeccing a corp just for the fun of it is grieffing.
WoW is that way ----->
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.03.30 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Saraya Velcrow No but not that simple. Maby ccp could implement a way to mark your corp as a NON combat corp. so other players cannot wardec or shoot you unpunished. BUT then again your corp should be prohibited to participate in any combat situations. and denied acces to 0.0. Or some other nifty way ccp can think of. Most of the times industrial corps get wardect for the fun of it and because they can. playing eve should remain fun for EVERY player. and wardeccing a corp just for the fun of it is grieffing.
<-------- Leave corp button is that way
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Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2010.03.30 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Saraya Velcrow and wardeccing a corp just for the fun of it is grieffing.
Wish I could find the quote, but wardeccing isn't considered griefing by CCP. Even if your war-decc'r follows you around as you jump corp and wardecs every corp you make/join for the next year...
As long as there is *any* point to it (and all the dec'r has to say, really is: "He smack talked me...") CCP won't do anything about it.
So make your shell corps, and bounce corp (if you seriously don't want to fight) every 23 hours....
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.03.30 23:38:00 -
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Why is this still being discussed? Please people. Stop posting in this thread. I am tired of seeing it on the main page.
OP is dumb. We knew that before we even entered the thread.
/Case closed.
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Leilani Masters
The Ladies Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.02 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlyn Stardreamer I sympathize with the OP because I believe that there is something wrong when cowardly griefers -- and they are most definitely cowards or they'd be attacking someone of equal skill rather than shooting fish in a barrel by wardeccing newbs and industrialists -- can force people to not play the game that they are paying REAL WORLD MONEY for.
Thanks for sympathizing with us people who are trying to make a living, but cannot because of some griefers. I will tell you what I mean: I have been wardecced for the 3rd time by the same corp, and for the last 3 months I haven't been able to do anything, because they are on my tail every single time. I already shut down one account, because CCP refuses to do anything. They say it's game mechanics. Well, I'm sorry, but I call this plain HARASSMENT!
Can't there be a maximum of wardecs that come from one corp or something?
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Gabrielle Lamb
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Posted - 2010.04.03 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: gwabakk Allow me to stress again my basic argument: there are people in eve who prefer to do combat, and there are those who prefer to do other things. Both groups have every and equal rights to play eve the way they like to play it. But their interest conflict sometimes, and a lot of eve game mechanics is about balancing those interests. That is why we have high-sec, low-sec, null-sec, concord et all. Eve has done a great job in that, but wardeccing is now upsetting the fine balance to much in favour of those who want to shoot others.
And that is why the wardeccing mechanics needs changing, to bing back the balance.
There are countless options available for you in order to get out of the whole wardec mess.
Best one is to just get youre asses out of highsec and into 0.0, im sure there's plenty of alliances that would gladly invite a mining corp so they could buy ore off you instead of hauling it from jita to 0.0. |
Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.04.09 14:34:00 -
[190]
Wow, 11 supporting posts out of 188.
Pretty sure the consensus is "GB2WOW".
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Jag Kara
United Investment
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Posted - 2010.04.10 01:01:00 -
[191]
I dont think it needs to go this far, but it certainly shouldnt be so cheap to get free kills in high sec. I would support a cost increase. In Soviet Russia, carebears gank YOU! |
Ahsekuaw
Brother Theo's Monastery The Ancients.
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Posted - 2010.04.10 18:19:00 -
[192]
Not supported. I've no problems with decs in high sec.
I would however, like to see the mechanic modified. I'd like to see the costs of the non mutual decs double in price weekely to limit the perma decs.
Ahs
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Masters
Thanks for sympathizing with us people who are trying to make a living, but cannot because of some griefers. I will tell you what I mean: I have been wardecced for the 3rd time by the same corp, and for the last 3 months I haven't been able to do anything, because they are on my tail every single time. I already shut down one account, because CCP refuses to do anything. They say it's game mechanics. Well, I'm sorry, but I call this plain HARASSMENT!
Can't there be a maximum of wardecs that come from one corp or something?
Maybe you shouldn't make it worth their time to wardec you? Do you talk to them during the war? Beg them to stop? Pay them to stop?
If you answered yes to any of those questions then they are most definitely enjoying themselves. Support Manalapan for CSM!
We must stand together against the oppressive neo-carebears. A vote for Manalapan is a vote for Scammers and Griefers everywhere!
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.10 22:49:00 -
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absolutely not
though the whole war dec mechanics could always be improved upon
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2010.04.10 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 10/04/2010 23:10:26
Originally by: Saraya Velcrow No but not that simple. Maby ccp could implement a way to mark your corp as a NON combat corp. so other players cannot wardec or shoot you unpunished. BUT then again your corp should be prohibited to participate in any combat situations. and denied acces to 0.0. Or some other nifty way ccp can think of. Most of the times industrial corps get wardect for the fun of it and because they can. playing eve should remain fun for EVERY player. and wardeccing a corp just for the fun of it is grieffing.
Yup, no mission for them. No shooting the rats attacking their barges either. Can't have it both ways.
Edit: Can't anchor POS, nor participate in planetary interaction either obviously.
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I have been wardecced for the 3rd time by the same corp, and for the last 3 months I haven't been able to do anything, because they are on my tail every single time.
Why don't you join a NPC corp, you obviously can't handle a player corp. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Hien Morisato
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Posted - 2010.04.14 22:10:00 -
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lol forgot to click the support button so tack another thumbs up to the short list lol.
Also Ladies and Gents put away your pitch forks and torches I doubt CCP will change anything when it comes to wardeccing any time soon but its always nice to discuss challenge and improve upon an idea that might make both the War deccer and War Deccee's lives better.
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Tibalt Avalon
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2010.04.15 01:02:00 -
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Go find a whole and bury yourself.
War decking everyone in support of this thread. Hardstyle Ambassador |
Alun Hughes
The Dark Horses WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.15 12:06:00 -
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OP is terrible and I If he posted with his main i would dec him.
Avoid war decs.. Keep a low profile dont talk in local at all. Who wants to bet they were posting recruitment ads in local
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.15 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Masters
Originally by: Amberlyn Stardreamer I sympathize with the OP because I believe that there is something wrong when cowardly griefers -- and they are most definitely cowards or they'd be attacking someone of equal skill rather than shooting fish in a barrel by wardeccing newbs and industrialists -- can force people to not play the game that they are paying REAL WORLD MONEY for.
Thanks for sympathizing with us people who are trying to make a living, but cannot because of some griefers. I will tell you what I mean: I have been wardecced for the 3rd time by the same corp, and for the last 3 months I haven't been able to do anything, because they are on my tail every single time. I already shut down one account, because CCP refuses to do anything. They say it's game mechanics. Well, I'm sorry, but I call this plain HARASSMENT!
Can't there be a maximum of wardecs that come from one corp or something?
Why do some people fail to understand that paying for an online game gives you the right to access said game, not have it altered so you can cope with it. It's not harrasment, it's Eve, that's what it is meant to be, if you don't like it you should stop playing.
I wouldn't expect the devs of hello kitty to allow me to attack whomever I choose just because i pay a sub, it's not that kind of game, I come here because EvE is that kind of game.
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Tiffany Jane
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Posted - 2010.04.16 03:03:00 -
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A quick note to the OP (and anybody else who feels griefed by a wardec) - some corps enjoy picking fights with pansy bullies and will wardec them for the small fee of simply asking (ie, just ask and I'll see what the others in my corp think). Short of that, many will do it if you simply pay the wardec fee (can be as little as 6m per week).
(Further discussion beyond the "quick note" follows)
All game mechanics in EVE have one thing in common, no matter how unfair they may seem, and that is to encourage player interaction and cooperation.
I was wondering why the rules about stealing from a container were so unfair in that it allows a miner (in a mining barge/cruiser) to attack the combat pilot (in a combat ship) who is stealing from them (yeah, like that's an option). What I realised was that if you mine in a group with haulers, not only is it more efficient (more ISKies), it makes it very difficult for anybody to can-flip you - the mechanic encourages players to work together.
The same goes for wardecs. Form a relationship with a combat corp which is mutually beneficial - perhaps you supply them with a regular amount of T1 frigs/cruisers/BCs in return for them wardeccing anybody who wardecs you (they may or may not drop the wardec when the griefers back down). You may not be able to mine during wardecs, and therefore won't be supplying ships, but most combat oriented corps will understand this.
This is a social MMO. Many MMOs are criticised for being massively single player - in EVE you can always come to an arrangement with players outside any implemented game mechanic.
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JShepard
Caldari Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.16 04:23:00 -
[201]
IIRC, it's High-Sec, not Total-Sec, dumbass.
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Seamus Donohue
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Posted - 2010.04.20 05:48:00 -
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I support the original post in principle, though I don't know if the exact implementation proposed is the best way to go about it. A corporation should still be able to wardec another corporation in response to habitual canflipping, for example. |
lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.20 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Seamus Donohue I support the original post in principle, though I don't know if the exact implementation proposed is the best way to go about it. A corporation should still be able to wardec another corporation in response to habitual canflipping, for example.
lol.. so ur saying carebear corps should still have the facility of wardecs but those filthy can flipping griefers should not ? ur worse than the OP
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:46:00 -
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Reducing war-decs to mutual only is a preposterous idea.
All of your arguments are based on your ill-assumption that players in hi-sec space should be 100% safe and that EVE is not a PvP game.
News flash: EVE is a deep, dark and nasty PvP game and not WoW, FarmVille or any other soft and fluffy game.
You need a combat arm of your industrial corp and/or learn to evade war decs instead of coming on the forums, whining about changing the game for the worse because you cannot play it.
Pro-Tip: Learn to EVE!
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NereSky
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:55:00 -
[205]
God no - you just dont get Eve do you!
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:28:00 -
[206]
i dont think any rant could says what i want to say more than this little clip from Scrubs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNjQecyjE8
Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected]) |
Hien Morisato
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:31:00 -
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lol video clip was great, and sorry OP don't think this is gonna make it. oh well life goes on.....and just a quick question....why does everyone compare this game to WoW when they don't like an idea.....I mean I aggree with ya WoW does suck lol but I'm sure you can pull another game out to compare it too like I don't know....maplestory....or Ultima.....or ooo ooo Galaxy Wars lol I totally googled that while I was writing this lol and if ya'll wanna play a rough game try Neveron but yeah lol WoW has something like 3million patrons vs what 500thousand that Eve has so yeah....WoW still sucks lol
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Dengen Krastinov
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:40:00 -
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Absolutely no. Your idea is misguided.
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Vlad McCain
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vlad McCain on 29/04/2010 20:41:20 even tho everyone else threw in their 2 isk, im going to throw in some to. 1st op is an alt? 2nd ive been mostly industrial and pve in my time here. and wardecks are part of the game. there are corps/alliances out there that will teach you how to fight, or dock up, or move.
if you want to mine in relative security, there is this new mechanic called wormholes. you'll still will need to keep an eye out since it -is- nullsec space.
not supported
oh and just one other thing, eve isnt an -only- pvp game.
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:32:00 -
[210]
Please, for the love of everything that is good in this world, let this abomination of a thread die.
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