Originally by: Drake Draconis

---

Back-to-back-to-back war-decs and war-decs that stack on top of each other quickly shoots that down.

And for what reasons did we get war-dec'd so often?

None at all... because they wanted to and they did.

---

Quote:

---

I sympathize with the OP because I believe that there is something wrong when cowardly griefers -- and they are most definitely cowards or they'd be attacking someone of equal skill rather than shooting fish in a barrel by wardeccing newbs and industrialists -- can force people to not play the game that they are paying REAL WORLD MONEY for. I would like to have the ability to take revenge by being able to file some kind of mining-dec that would allow industrial players to declare a state of operations where members of the decced corp could undock only in mining barges, exhumers, industrials, freighters, ... so as to deny them their preferred activities -- which they pay REAL WORLD MONEY to engage in -- in the same way that a wardec denies industrialists the ability to engage in our preferred activities. As the OP gains more experience he/she will clearly see that the people who post most vehemently about how EVE is a PVP game are the ones who, rather than engaging in actual combat with equals, like to shoot fish in a barrel.

---

Originally by: Omega Flames

---

A form of "Industry Dec'ing" actually isn't a bad idea.

---

Originally by: Omega Flames

---

A form of "Industry Dec'ing" actually isn't a bad idea.

---

Originally by: Gaven Darklighter

---

Yet another thread in dire need of a "check here if you don't support" box

---

Originally by: James Tritanius

---

Originally by: Gaven Darklighter

---

Yet another thread in dire need of a "check here if you don't support" box

---

154 replies with only 6 supports. Looks pretty obvious to me.

I'm not supporting this because I like deccing and killing new players.

---

Quote:

---

Don't go afk and fall asleep inside of Jita kids

---

Originally by: James Tritanius

---

I'm not supporting this because I like deccing and killing new players.

---

Originally by: Drake Draconis

---

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 26/02/2010 16:06:16
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 26/02/2010 15:57:31
Bagehi - Thank you so much for proving to us that the art of bull****ting is not lost on PVP'ers.

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

Whats ridiculous is your bold faced enough to actually argue something that is obviously wrong and false.

I've known many many industrialist corporations... and they don't even pull some of the crap you even CLAIMED to do.

---

Originally by: Drake Draconis

---

Only corporations that do that are Greifing PVP'ers. PVP'ers don't like industry and only go so far as to make sure they have enough ISK to do whatever it is they want to do. I know very few who are actually good at both things as it is.

What you claimed are very (if at all) rare incidents and only possible when your corporation just happens to have a capable and good enough PVP force... that or you used a second corporation or hired a merc live everyone else.

Please... give it up.... we can see right through you.

---

Originally by: Drake Draconis

---

Industrialists don't have time to "gank" freighters... What the heck kind of argument is that?
You have any idea how much firepower and effort it takes to gank a freighter?
Sure as hell won't be in a war-dec unless the other corproation is really that stupid!

---

Originally by: Drake Draconis

---

We don't have time to war-dec because "someone stole our omber belt".
There are hundreds upon hundreds of asteroids out there... they just move on to a different system.
Or move out.

---

Originally by: Drake Draconis

---

... My "personal" issue is the asshats who come up with stupid arguments...

---

Originally by: James Tritanius

---

Originally by: Gaven Darklighter

---

Yet another thread in dire need of a "check here if you don't support" box

---

154 replies with only 6 supports. Looks pretty obvious to me.

---

Originally by: CCP Shadow

---

Originally by: Doctor Cal'torien

---

in before the "OP lacks content + witty dialogue" from Shadow

---

*click* You just did it for me.

---

Originally by: Dav Varan

---

Yeah wardecs are abused to the max by griefers and lamers and they need fixing.
I just dont think you have the solution.

Wardecs ( mutual or otherwise ) are a valid way for corps who have a beef against each other to sort stuff out.

What I'd like to see is a wardec fee that gets exponentially more expensive the greater the difference in combat SP between the two corps.


Wardec fee = 1,000,000 x 10 ^ (( deccing corp combat sp ) / ( decced corp combat sp ))

or something similar.

So big groups of experianced pvp players would have to pay a small fortune to dec a noobie indi corp etc.

To stop large fee avoidance player cannot join a deccing corp until any wars they have declared have expired.

Oh and neutral remote reppers should get concordokkened for interfering in a legalised war.

---

Originally by: Dianeces

---

Originally by: Dav Varan

---

Yeah wardecs are abused to the max by griefers and lamers and they need fixing.
I just dont think you have the solution.

Wardecs ( mutual or otherwise ) are a valid way for corps who have a beef against each other to sort stuff out.

What I'd like to see is a wardec fee that gets exponentially more expensive the greater the difference in combat SP between the two corps.


Wardec fee = 1,000,000 x 10 ^ (( deccing corp combat sp ) / ( decced corp combat sp ))

or something similar.

So big groups of experianced pvp players would have to pay a small fortune to dec a noobie indi corp etc.

To stop large fee avoidance player cannot join a deccing corp until any wars they have declared have expired.

Oh and neutral remote reppers should get concordokkened for interfering in a legalised war.

---

Your ideas are almost as bad as the OPs. In fact, in some ways they are worse.

---

Originally by: Xtover

---

No.

---

Originally by: Kilostream

---

Edited by: Kilostream on 27/02/2010 12:02:49
To the OP,

The thing here is that war decs only lasts for a week.

My recommendation would be to train a bit of pvp skills - not too much, get everyone to spend a couple weeks on some missile / gunnery / propulsion jamming / mwd, then build yourself I dunno, 20 rifters (or similar) each and pvp fit them.

Tuck them away in a hangar and go about your mining.

When you get a war dec, treat it as a holiday from mining and go pew pew for a week - I guarantee by the time you have burned through 20 rifters each you will have made many mistakes, learnt much about pvp basics, had a good few laughs and maybe, maybe even gotten a kill.

---

Originally by: Solorman

---

Edited by: Solorman on 20/02/2010 03:06:06

Originally by: Malen Nenokal

---

Edited by: Malen Nenokal on 19/02/2010 23:56:00
You're an industrial corp. Hire a mercenary corporation to counter wardec the attackers. You may not have PvP prowess, but as industrialists, you can fight with your ISK.

---

Corp is less then 3 weeks old and you expect people to have tons of money to throw away. Also, as an mining corp if they cant mine they cant get money. So thats a great idea of paying merc corps.

---

Originally by: Zonefire

---

Originally by: Daemonspirit

---

Jumpin' Jehosaphat!
JUST DROP CORP!
You and your buddies make up a new corp, and every day a new dec comes in, drop corp to one of your other holding corps. Hell, disband corps and make new ones...
Stop asking for something that already exists in game, and is supported by CCP!
jesus...

---

This is an example of people who need to be a little more mature. Instead of just instantly dismissing issues, look at it from the other persons side.

---

Originally by: gwabakk

---

Eve online is a great MMO game because it allows the players freedom of choice of what careers they want to explore. The game had a very fine balance indeed between the interests of, say, the casual miner and the hardcore combat pilots. Each and everyone was allowed its fair amount of time and space in the game to persue whatever they choose to do.

This has changed with the event or wardeccing.

Wardeccing, whatever the fair intentions where when introduced, has now become a means to score easy kills and/or easy money in high-sec at the cost of the peacefull and innocent. A combat corp can start a war at very little cost against a miner corp, which of course is not equipped to defend itself. Some people argue that miner/manufacturing corp should prepare to defend themselves but you cannot possibly expect that players that have devoted all their time and resources to mining/manufacturing to be a match to a bunch of players who have devoted all their time and resources to combat.

Furthermore, and at least as important, those miner did not come to eve to do combat, they chose a different path, because that is what they wanted, and that is what eve promised to be a valid paht when they started out. Now, with wardeccing, they are forced into a path they did not choose, and they do not whish to follow.

High-sec isn't called high-sec for nothing, but what wardeccing has effectively done is making piracy legal in high-sec. My corp, less than a month old, has already been wardecced three times, every time without a proper reason. Wardeccing has given combat corps that do not want/dare to engage their equals the perfect to tool to just attack the defenseless instead, getting easy kills perfectly legal, and all that in high-sec. That can hardly have been the intention of the designers of this game feature. Wardeccing is disabling the free choice of career paths in eve (freedom that the game was designed for), and forcing miners to quit player corps and join NPC corps instead (which eve was not designed for).

I do not propose to get rid of wardeccing, but restore the high-sec balance. When a wardec is mutual by both corps, no problem, go ahaed and fight it out. And low-sec being low-sec you should always expect being attacked. But when the wardec is not mutual, high-sec should still remain a save place, and any encounters should be concorded by the normal rules.

I know this will also disable to opportunity to start wars in high-sec even if there is a valid reason, but then again, it would also be ridicolous if you could just give the local police (Concord) some money and then can go beat them neighbours up without consequense whatsoever. High-sec is high-sec and should be properly guarded.

Bottom line: wardeccing, whatever its fair intentions were, has now become an abuse at the cost of those who justifiably have choosen a non-combat career in eve. And that abuse will have to stop. Engaging others in high-sec should always be concorded, even when the corps are at war (unless the wardec is mutual)

Regards.

Gwabakk

---

Originally by: Gaven Darklighter

---

Yet another thread in dire need of a "check here if you don't support" box

---