Hi,
"we didn't want to make you wait for the OTA changes". The recent rollback was insignificant IMO, too little and already too late. Does CCP think the end of summer is not waiting? Your patient is beyond critical condition. Go ahead and wait to start CPR in late summer. Vanguards will be long dead and buried by then.

i hereby predict that incursion traffic will be at least 50% of what it was before the nerf on the same day the ota changes are patched onto tranquillity.

I doubt your prediction will be provable anytime soon. Dr E seems to be the only one at CPP that would give out the stats if anything is going wrong and he rarely speaks. The last fanfest he proclaimed that Incursions were an unprecented success.
He was even owning up to the Incarna release being unsuccessful at fanfest. I'm curious what he'll say about the stats post Escalation and Inferno.
Usually CCP Diagoras can be counted on to give some game stats but he has been silent ( silenced? ) ever since his return from vacation.

Meow :Edited:


Ok dude, We get the point, It happened in May, CCP are only Humans,
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You are so focused on "Predictions" and statistics, How about the Facts, Are you aware you can still earn 80 mill per hour, If you are crying then GTFO out of BTL and TVP and join a community like ISN.


What i find hilarious is ISN - Incursion Shiny Network are the only community which are not crying,

-Happened last April not May
-By definition statistics are numeric facts
-HQ's were less touched by the change then the other systems. I bet if CCP touched your part of the doll in the same manner you'd be crying too.

In other news:
Damn looks like the Ewoks NULL sec Incursion died without them doing the MOM site:
2012.07.16 13:14:26Incursion expired00LP pool lost

I think they got the influence all the way down to ~20% closest since April 22 I've seen a Null/lo constellation get to spotting the mother ship. Last night before DT it was a Wall of OTAs

FYI Ronin you forgot to bump page 13 of your ISN thread with its wall of text ad to grind through while reading

vgs were fine before the whole nerf thing. sure you make lots of isk, but only if you have a good fleet composition with good skills. and if there were more than 1 good fleet in a system, they will compete and only the best fleet will get the isk. pub fleets dont stand a chance, they dont make as much. i suggest ccp stop listening to jealous null sec players. btl pub is like a ghost town now, thanks to the nerf. community destroyed, well done well done ccp...

Yes a lot of community's have died, For they lack the ability to Adapt to the patch, It isn't CCP's fault they lack the brain power to work out how to do sites faster or get a better fleet comp.

Yes a lot of community's have died, For they lack the ability to Adapt to the patch, It isn't CCP's fault they lack the brain power to work out how to do sites faster or get a better fleet comp.

Forum ate my post!

@Herr Ronin

Tailoring the content for both pirate BS with T2 guns and low skill T1 BS and BC is impossible. If the ISK for bad fleet is decent, ISK for great one will be probably to high, and if the site is safe for bad fleet, really good one will have it on ez-mode. OTAs are completely safe in a good fleet even now, but its the lesser fleets that can have a hard time.

In WoW we have that as player can be inspected for gear and spec so we can really know what a player is bringing to the raid. Also, there is raid tier system, entry level raids arent the same as the top raids available. There are hard modes of raids too, which give much better rewards.

Much of this can be implemented in Eve (if permission is given FC could have access to your ship fitting window, skills, and relevant weapon and defense stats), hard modes could exist as separate systems in incursion with hard mode raids and even raid tier system could be implemented (by having different active incursions in different tiers), but I digress from the topic.

No .

What exactly do you mean? You realize its impossible to balance the content fro both 1b ships and those T1 BS and BC, and that newbies that cant buy a Machariel/NM/Vindi rightfully expect to be able to raid too? And that is essentially problem with OTAs and that was the problem with old VGs too (in the beginning before blitzing Drakes Canes and Harbies were used, and ISK/hr wasnt so imbalanced).

Maelstrom, T2 guns (Meta if not) will get you into good fleets.

Well not good enough by my standards. Its a difference betwen 100M ISK/hr in VGs (6 minutes OTA with warp-in warp out, so its 6m between wallet blinks in journal, NMC/NCO take less) and running HQs for 1 site each 40-45m because ppl need to afk/bio/fit AB/whatever.

Yes a lot of community's have died, For they lack the ability to Adapt to the patch, It isn't CCP's fault they lack the brain power to work out how to do sites faster or get a better fleet comp.

Hey you cant run incursions without cruisers to take care of the frigates. By the way balancing in Eve dont work by the ship size at all, and proposing it dont make sense, just look how T2/T3 and some faction ships compare to bigger T1 ships.

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Are OTA's easy ??.... Yes.. we run 2 Basi and 8 DPS and still make 100m per hour.!
There's no secret to it... Wanna know ??? Convo me or join our channel. (Incursion United).

(I dont mean to make above sound like a recruitment add but im just pointing out what Vanguard communitys can do... in this case...us at ICU)

But anyway.... While i agree alot with ISN i understand both sides of the coin and can confirm that BTL and the like have become ghost towns, But will i blame CCP for "nerfing" Vanguards?? No!!!..
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These changes will be released with Inferno 1.2 on August 8th

WOOOT !! Thank you %)))

You are very welcome :3

Thanks for the definitive date Affinity
I had a longer post but the forums ate it

To be honest I perfer Assaults over Vanguards but the impending death of communites from the Wall Of OTAs forced me to do soo many Vanguards to keep my community (TDF) alive. It was an act o will for the Armour commiunities leaders to stay alive without mechanics changes( still a bit surprised we outlived BTL PUB with their once vast numbers compared to ours). I'll be glad to get back to Assaults again even though they pay less. The old NCNs actually were more fun with thier randomness but they were 1 room middle too long IMHO.

I did not realize Vanguards were such an integral part of the lo/null sec incursions. The number of assualts done there must be infintessimal?

Been hoping to see some relavent stats about Incursions' histories past 3-4 months from CCP Diagoras in his tweets after his vacation last month but it sounds like the Wall of Text CSM minutes are eating up all his time & he has not peeped at all

I hope you get to see your longer term goals for Incursions realized beore another Team reorginization. I'd have loved to see the site logs mentioned here over the past 4 months http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCf6pXHBFRM


I'm guessing right now Drone content is in your crosshairs?

Incursion changes (including the OTA change) were not planned for the August release at all, we just felt it was important to not leave this issue until Winter. Hopefully after August 8th we will see an improvement in both Vanguards and Community spirit :)

Well thanks for the earlier then planned release then, I hope it breathes life into null/lo sec Incursions too.
lol Community spirit right now is about to blow up into threatened wardecks & Blackbird squads again it'll be fun watching the farmers threaten each other with pitchforks again.