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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:50:00 -
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This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.
So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.
Thanks. |
Mallak Azaria
303
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:52:00 -
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They're afraid to lose their stuff. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1935
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:54:00 -
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Strangely, some people don't like shooting intelligent opponents capable of adapting to the situation at hand, and prefer shooting at AIs or newbies.
My reaction to meeting one has always been confusion, despair and pity. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Kisumii
Bio-Tech Research Luna Sanguinem
54
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:57:00 -
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Most of the new guys I take out on roams simply dont understand the mechanics of pvp be it hisec war or low/null. They are more afraid of "doing it wrong" than actually losing a ship. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
184
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:57:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:They're afraid to lose their stuff.
Akirei Scytale wrote:Strangely, some people don't like shooting intelligent opponents capable of adapting to the situation at hand, and prefer shooting at AIs or newbies.
My reaction to meeting one has always been confusion, despair and pity. I would like to hear from them, not what you guys think. Just sit back and read for once. Thank you.
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Nathan Ernaga
Applesauce Brigade
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:58:00 -
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Yesterday I had my first kill. But it was pore miner in Osprey. Broke my hearth:cry] No more PvP for me.
naaaaaaa
Oh, and fixed matches are fun. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
184
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:58:00 -
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Kisumii wrote:Most of the new guys I take out on roams simply dont understand the mechanics of pvp be it hisec war or low/null. They are more afraid of "doing it wrong" than actually losing a ship. I have not done the new tutorial in a long time, how much does it cover when it comes to PvP? |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:59:00 -
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Nathan Ernaga wrote:Yesterday I had my first kill. But it was pore miner in Osprey. Broke my hearth:cry] No more PvP for me. naaaaaaa Are you new to the game and what kept you from PvPing before the Osprey? |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
300
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:03:00 -
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Skill and knowledge of current PvP mechanics.
Last time I fired a shot, the Thorax had 8 heavies in tow.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |
Mizhir
Club Bear
28
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:03:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Strangely, some people don't like shooting intelligent opponents capable of adapting to the situation at hand, and prefer shooting at AIs or newbies.
My reaction to meeting one has always been confusion, despair and pity.
And some people don't like making their own decisions in PVP combat, and prefer blobbing and relying on a FC to command everything. |
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Mizhir
Club Bear
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:07:00 -
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On topic:
What kept me away from pvp in the beginning was that I didn't know where to start. Could say that I was overwhelmed by the sandbox. I decided to join a nullsec alliance (it was a CVA pet), but that turned out to be my biggest waste of time in EVE and almost quit the game because of that.
Now its mostly time that keeps me away from PVP, but hopefully that will change soon. |
Nathan Ernaga
Applesauce Brigade
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:09:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Nathan Ernaga wrote:Yesterday I had my first kill. But it was pore miner in Osprey. Broke my hearth:cry] No more PvP for me. naaaaaaa Are you new to the game and what kept you from PvPing before the Osprey?
Yes, I'm quaint new. I just need someone from the corp to show me few tricks. I thought I could just jump in BC and pew pew, but reality is, you must start from the bottom. Frigs are fun and not the burden on the pocket |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
110
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:17:00 -
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Been "pvping" for years. Stopped pvping because I recently discovered the lengths CCP will go to in order to maintain the Status Quo of their favourite internally controlled alliances dominating all aspects of Eve's publicity, specifically at the cost of talented individuals who aren't interested in CCP's "0.0 end game".
In a future expansion, you can expect Caldari, Amarr, Minmatar and Gallente to be replaced with Goons, Goons, Goons or Pandemic Legion. It's a pointless toilet. --- ATX: The best of the rest. |
Kisumii
Bio-Tech Research Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:18:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Kisumii wrote:Most of the new guys I take out on roams simply dont understand the mechanics of pvp be it hisec war or low/null. They are more afraid of "doing it wrong" than actually losing a ship. I have not done the new tutorial in a long time, how much does it cover when it comes to PvP?
not much more than what webs/scrams do
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:18:00 -
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i can tell you that a long time ago for me was the combination of skills and isk (or lack of). Skills cos when you begin the game you dont always choose the correct path of skills or race and you are expected to cross train alot and isk cos pvp is really expensive when there is no ship replacement program and you also got to save up for your investments in game. The time it takes to gather isk make it very prescious i believe to throw away in minutes literally. Not everyon has access to high end DEDs or nice ratting systems. Also like myself, I only got limited time ingame so i must make the most of it so to speak cos time is a factor |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
134
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:22:00 -
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Subscriptions to other games where PvP is free and is just one button away. |
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:24:00 -
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Can't afford such a luxurious hobby. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1398
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:25:00 -
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Kisumii wrote:Most of the new guys I take out on roams simply dont understand the mechanics of pvp be it hisec war or low/null. They are more afraid of "doing it wrong" than actually losing a ship. This. The very concept of doing pvp and doing it "right" scares a lot of people. Sometimes (if not most of the time), they (or we) hide this behind the "I chose not to" or "I don't like pvp" arguments. I know a lot of people do this. I did this on my first few months of playing. Don't like spaceships sandbox? then this is not the game for you. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Dunan Sanis
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:26:00 -
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I would love to PvP but -A- don't want to undock |
Ms Kat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:27:00 -
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Lets be honest here..... "PVP" on EVE online is NEVER fair and if it is you are doing it wrong. The whole game is full of 1337 pr0 awesome guys who just cant see how bad the games pvp truely is.
Short list:
0.0 - bigger blob wins/ganking someone pve fit in belts, or anoms
Highsec wars - camping a station with ludicrus numbers for 1 guy/being "that" guy with 10 neutral RR waiting to tip the balance
Wormholes - pve ships being ganked by pvp fits
Missioner baiting - using agro mechanics to kill people who dont understand the game as well as you
Organised 1v1 - Oh no wait, 1VFleet i see!
Even on SiSi the test server where ships cost 100isk. There are people who log on and as for a fleet in FREE FOR ALL zones. Its PATHETIC when you think about it really. This is why I like so many others have had it with the game, once my plex buffer runs out thats its, bye bye internet spaceships
It goes on and on, eve PVP isnt "fun" its just basical shin kicking, and the winner being the person wearing the bigger boots.
The whole game would need a complete overhaul for its pvp to be dynamic and "fun" for more people.
This is comming from a 2004 player, who has exclusivly been pvping since 2005
Edit to add more valid reasons:
Why pvp against aliances with unlimited backing who see thier ships as "throw away" with full reimbursement offered????
The whole jump clone system is jsut bad!!
Implants and training time jsut bad!!
Lag/Bugs and the logs showing nothing!!
CCP KILLING all fun pvp ships and making us all fly 1 beuge brick with civilian gattling guns |
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Danfen Fenix
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:38:00 -
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Up until...yesterday really...for me it was
a. not sure I was doing things right b. Don't want to lose anything really expensive 'yet' c. My implants
a few suicidal destroyer fleets yesterday though, as well as some lost frigates, and the loss of my pod (and thus no implants/now an empty clone)... I really couldn't care anymore as long as my ships I use are cheap I know now if I lose a ship, I can replace it easily. If I lose my pod, I'll be back in the station ready to get in another ship.
But yeah, imo a lot of it is probably due to people worried about losing anything 'expensive' (or...costs racking up ), and learning implants... |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1935
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:38:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Subscriptions to other games where PvP is free and is just one button away.
So, games where victory is meaningless and combat is about as exciting as watching Iron Chef. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
153
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:43:00 -
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jump clone cooldown. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1935
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:43:00 -
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Ms Kat wrote:Why pvp against aliances with unlimited backing who see thier ships as "throw away" with full reimbursement offered???? For fun.
Ms Kat wrote:The whole jump clone system is jsut bad!! It keeps the game fun and not tedious.
Ms Kat wrote:Implants and training time jsut bad!! Implants have some issues sure, but training time is a necessity for people to have goals to work towards. Also, the passive training system is easily EVE's strongest feature - I prefer being able to play a game on my own terms and maintain a life, rather than have to dump all of my free time into a game just to stay competitive.
Ms Kat wrote:Lag/Bugs and the logs showing nothing!! Every game has bugs, and TiDi works wonders for lag.
Ms Kat wrote:CCP KILLING all fun pvp ships and making us all fly 1 beuge brick with civilian gattling guns How can you complain about training time and then about t1 ships being buffed in the same post? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Nathan Ernaga
Applesauce Brigade
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:47:00 -
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Fitted frigs cost one lvl 4 mission. So you don't rage over few mil. isk loss |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
292
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:47:00 -
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I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.
I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.
And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants... Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
154
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:49:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.
I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.
And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants...
if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
263
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:51:00 -
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PvP in EVE is never fair? No, really? EVE isn't fair period. You can trade in a market and turn a huge profit but you're still playing on somebody else's terms unless you ARE the Market.
I'm honestly not massively concerned if people want to PvP or not. All ways of playing are valid. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
292
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:53:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:I tried the PvP life. Didn't care for it; too much risk, not enough rewards.
I don't sit in a huge alliance that can hand out spare ships as if they were spare change. The loss of a ship would be very significant for me at the moment and set me back too far.
And of course, my implants. Dear God, my implants... if the loss of a t1 frig sets you back too far, i feel bad for you.
I'm not really trained for Frigates. It is all Battlecruisers and up. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1632
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:55:00 -
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I started PvPing very early, went in 0.0 in a T1 fitted Rupture.
But then my time became very scarce, while EvE PvP is not really "casual friendly". Even in a small roam it'd take up to 30 mins to get all ready to leave home, then 1 hour between hopping 20-30 "hostile" (read: empty) systems before finding 2-3 guys willing to fight back. Then 1 hour to get back home (logging off in the middle of hostile sov tends to hurt).
I could go RvB but that's PvP for PvP sake, not a plan to do something long time, something great.
Plus there's this factor that I love in other PvP games: they rely on fast communication, terrain conquer while kiting / using terrain features / collision both between players and environment. In EvE all you get is an interface mostly made for a lol clicker, collision is minimal and limited to "collision spheres", line of sight and strategic placement are a wish most of the time.
So, limited time to play + not engaging PvP mechanics and controls = I play other PvP games. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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