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Krysta Bourne
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:32:00 -
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Double post..... |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
389
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:40:00 -
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Krysta Bourne wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Krysta Bourne wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote: You can be shot anywhere in space, and you're free to shoot back if you want to. The question is, will you? Nope. Fair enough. Then the question is Will you Whine on EvE-O saying it's broken or will you accept that not shooting back is your choice? Nobody that I consider reasonable has any actual objection to people being carebears and avoiding combat. The objection is to those people whining on the forums and ultimately pressuring CCP into changing the game to suit them. I'm not the type to whine about so-called broken game mechanics simply because I don't like them. I do however reply to posts and questions honestly and with how I truly feel. If a situation arises or is covered that really needs to be addressed and I'm asked for my opinion, I will give it.
Fair enough.
I never said (or meant to imply) that you should withhold your opinion. It's just that many of the posters whining about getting ganked are demonstrably uninformed about the nature or mechanics of the game that they're calling broken. From the sound of it, you're not uninformed about the nature of the game, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Blade N'Mare
Hard Rock University
En Garde
23
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Posted - 2012.07.14 02:44:00 -
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Several reasons
1 - no real interest. My RL has enough stress and excitement that I don't need to shoot people in game for the adrenalin rush.
2 - time constraints. I log on everyday, but I work long hours, and DT falls in my ideal gaming time.
3 - interruptions. Wife, 3 kids, volunteer fire fighter. At any time I may be called away. Not fair on fleet mates or fair opponents.
4 - no idea what I am doing , all through when things quieten down a bit I will drop corp for a week or two to try RvB.
5 - no interest in ganking / griefing. I have no interest ever in blowing up defenseless barges or noobs in t1 rifters.
"Light a candle for the Sinners.-á Set the World on Fire." |
Bree Okanata
Romex Inc.
Dustm3n
64
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:14:00 -
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Ignore all the PvPers saying "They are afraid of losing their stuff/they are just wussies/etc." For me, it is an ISK problem. Yes I am "afraid" to lose my stuff, but that is because I don't have the ability to replace my ships on a constant basis. For someone new to PvP it can also be a daunting task, knowing that you could either go into solo roams and fight people who know how to fit a ship far better than you, with a much more significant knowledge of tactics. I made a PvP alt and quickly got annoyed with it (even in RvB) since the only 1v1s I could find were against people in t2 frigs. At the beginning, it is not fun at all to get lollerstomped. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
928
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:18:00 -
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Blueballs.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:30:00 -
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Bree Okanata wrote:Ignore all the PvPers saying "They are afraid of losing their stuff/they are just wussies/etc." For me, it is an ISK problem. Yes I am "afraid" to lose my stuff, but that is because I don't have the ability to replace my ships on a constant basis. For someone new to PvP it can also be a daunting task, knowing that you could either go into solo roams and fight people who know how to fit a ship far better than you, with a much more significant knowledge of tactics. I made a PvP alt and quickly got annoyed with it (even in RvB) since the only 1v1s I could find were against people in t2 frigs. At the beginning, it is not fun at all to get lollerstomped.
When I did RvB, every time I asked for a T1 Frig 1v1, I got exactly that. I won a few, lost a few, and drew a few (some people don't fit points on their 1v1 frigs. Beating a 2x SAR Cap boosted Punisher's tank is pretty daunting, and yet, you can't lose either).
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
451
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:03:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
If Whine: Then you're mistaken about what EvE is.
If Accept: Then you understand EvE and are playing it right.
How original, a PvPer saying "Play my way or go away". 
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:10:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
If Whine: Then you're mistaken about what EvE is.
If Accept: Then you understand EvE and are playing it right.
How original, a PvPer saying "Play my way or go away".
How original, a badposter taking quotes out of context.
Just to save your poor mind, I'll repeat some of the context here.
Pipa Porto wrote:Nobody that I consider reasonable has any actual objection to people being carebears and avoiding combat. The objection is to those people whining on the forums and ultimately pressuring CCP into changing the game to suit them.
Carebear whining has, off the top of my head, caused at least a half dozen CONCORD buffs, an Insurance nerf, and a legal tactic being declared an exploit 7 years after it was discovered (and after the introduction of a ship seemingly designed for the tactic: the ship was shaped for the tactic's name ffs).
In fact, I can't think of a single time when ganking was made easier overall (i.e. Buff without accompanying nerf).
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
80
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:39:00 -
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The only thing that keeps me from PvP is LACK OF TARGETS.
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Jorg Bock
Private Chaos inc
5
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Posted - 2012.07.14 09:19:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:The only thing that keeps me from PvP is LACK OF TARGETS.
Well...i allways wonder, why are there so many Gate camps? If i read forums, there are tons of "hardcore" pvp-¦er around, but nobody seems to attack the gate campers, and the are easy to find....
So much for the "pvp+¬r", all you want is easy, riskfree ganking, nothing else. |
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Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus
Swift Angels Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.07.14 09:25:00 -
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I PVP in the Minmatar militia and I suck. Doesn't stop me even though I have like 10 ships lost to one enemy destroyed.
PVP with actual loss is exciting as hell. I have no idea why people get all scared. I have barely any ISK too...
Although the Amarr crying and hiding because they are "not stupid and just want to PVP" (lulwat) doesn't help me find people to fight besides the occasional massive gate camp.
Pirates are red,buddies are blue,if you're unlucky enough to be orange,I'll f*cking kill you. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1641
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Posted - 2012.07.14 09:48:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
Here's the difference.
EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play.
You don't have a choice about participating in RL.
Blinders. Remove them some times.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1641
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Posted - 2012.07.14 09:53:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Krysta Bourne wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote: You can be shot anywhere in space, and you're free to shoot back if you want to. The question is, will you? Nope. Fair enough. Then the question is Will you Whine on EvE-O saying it's broken or will you accept that not shooting back is your choice? If Whine: Then you're mistaken about what EvE is. If Accept: Then you understand EvE and are playing it right. Nobody that I consider reasonable has any actual objection to people being carebears and avoiding combat. The objection is to those people whining on the forums and ultimately pressuring CCP into changing the game to suit them.
This was an exceptionally nice and quiet thread before you came in with your schooling, confrontational attitude. Get out please, bring your pro PvP testosterone away.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
401
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:14:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Krysta Bourne wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote: You can be shot anywhere in space, and you're free to shoot back if you want to. The question is, will you? Nope. Fair enough. Then the question is Will you Whine on EvE-O saying it's broken or will you accept that not shooting back is your choice? If Whine: Then you're mistaken about what EvE is. If Accept: Then you understand EvE and are playing it right. Nobody that I consider reasonable has any actual objection to people being carebears and avoiding combat. The objection is to those people whining on the forums and ultimately pressuring CCP into changing the game to suit them. This was an exceptionally nice and quiet thread before you came in with your schooling, confrontational attitude. Get out please, bring your pro PvPer testosterone away. Pipa Porto wrote:
Carebear whining has, off the top of my head, caused at least a half dozen CONCORD buffs, an Insurance nerf, and a legal tactic being declared an exploit 7 years after it was discovered (and after the introduction of a ship seemingly designed for the tactic: the ship was shaped for the tactic's name ffs).
In fact, I can't think of a single time when ganking was made easier overall (i.e. Buff without accompanying nerf).
Insurance nerf happened because some guys started using it so much that setup super factories to make zillions out an endless NPC ISK faucet. Boomerang nerf happened because some guys started using it so much and widely spamming about how to do it and enticing the masses doing it. The "overdoing" and greed are to blame not "carebear whining". Once again we get somebody blaming someone else for their kin excesses that force CCP to tone them down. As I said above "blame the victim" mentality. Learn to use "emergent tactics" with moderation, don't overdo them and you won't get it nerfed. Wishful thinking and all that.
In order:
Ok, you dislike my attitude. So?
Wrong Insurance Nerf.
The Boomerang tactic was well known and often used for 7 YEARS, before it was banned. It wasn't an Exploit because your ship still died at the end. It became well known (and whined about) by the carebears, when people started using the Boomerang-Shaped Tornado to spin around their enemies, wreaking havoc.
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
401
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:15:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
Here's the difference.
EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play.
You don't have a choice about participating in RL.
Blinders. Remove them some times.
I don't understand, are people being forced to play EvE?
-RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Planktal
Kenshao Industries
Galactic Acqisition Specialists
26
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:29:00 -
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A lot of what I'm seeing here is people telling others the 'right' way to play EVE. The only one who can say what way to play EVE the right way is you and you alone. Others can have opinions on what is 'right' for EVE but in the end, the only one you have to listen to is yourself.
My two cents...
Here sanity, nice sanity.....*THWOOK* Got the bastard |
Prince Kobol
601
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:29:00 -
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No, the boomerang tactic was nerfed because some idiot decided to come onto the forums and boast how he had killed over a 100 mining ships in a month and then gave out detailed instructions how to accomplish this.
Then to add insult to injury it was actually possible to evade concord using this tactic as well.
If he had kept his mouth shut and didn't go on a massive ego trip by shouting to everybody who would listen then nothing would of happened.
Before he open his big mouth nobody complained about the tactic.
So it wasn't carebears who got this tactic nerf, it was the prat on the ego trip and the big mouth. |
Darious Sharvas
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:39:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
Here's the difference.
EvE is a Game that people CHOOSE to play. If they don't enjoy some core aspect of the game, then I don't understand why they play.
You don't have a choice about participating in RL.
Blinders. Remove them some times. I don't understand, are people being forced to play EvE?
Who cares, seriously wtf are you even talking about now? The op asked why some don't pvp. I'd like to hear more about it, instead of your ramblings.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1642
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Posted - 2012.07.14 10:41:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:No, the boomerang tactic was nerfed because some idiot decided to come onto the forums and boast how he had killed over a 100 mining ships in a month and then gave out detailed instructions how to accomplish this.
Then to add insult to injury it was actually possible to evade concord using this tactic as well.
If he had kept his mouth shut and didn't go on a massive ego trip by shouting to everybody who would listen then nothing would of happened.
Before he open his big mouth nobody complained about the tactic.
So it wasn't carebears who got this tactic nerf, it was the prat on the ego trip and the big mouth.
Exactly.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Boudicca Arbosa
Aegis Requiem.
Byzantine Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.07.14 11:47:00 -
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Because they whole "just because you're new doesn't mean you can't contribute or take down someone that has been playing for 8 years" is a myth made up by CCP to keep new players coming in.
I'm 10 days old. There's absolutely no way I can take down a vet. None. At all. |
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Aareya
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.07.14 13:22:00 -
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Boudicca Arbosa wrote:I'm 10 days old. There's absolutely no way I can take down a vet. None. At all.
It's misconceptions like this that keeps people in high sec and avoiding pvp. That being said, there is a niche for those who don't want to pvp. Not everyone can be the hunter. Some people have to be the prey. |
Lord Drex
Prime Explorations
0
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:33:00 -
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I rarely pvp in Eve !
I pvp a lot in other games.
Eve pvp is just to quick and final. It takes way to much time to setup and re-engage. I know, go buy 10 of the same setups but then your tactics stay somewhat similar .
I don't live in eve 12 hours a day. I want to pvp. I want to jump in and jump out of it and do it again next time. Setup and reset up just wastes to much time given the time ratio. 30 min setup for 1 min of action. Just wierd.
Now faction warfare has possibilities. I like conflict but when it's the only game then people leave to more balanced games.
I want more pvp. I just want pvp to last more then 1 min in a game. Somehow get more lite pvp into highsec. Don't know how but do it. Maybe dead space is like low sec or even null? Ccp could do dead space without concord in a few unruley regions.
Give us intro options to mix it up!
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Lord Garrus
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:58:00 -
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I do not do PvP yet, because I don't have the skills to do so, and engaging in PvP before I get a few bil in pocket doesn't attract me. I managed to bankrupt my old character by trying to do PvP with a low amount of money and bad skills. |
Toxicodendron Diversilobum
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:35:00 -
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I don't have the competitive streak that some do. I have no interest in sports, especially team sports.
For three years I raced cars in SCCA solo, at the end of each season I was ranked in the top three in my class every year. I do not know how, I never looked at the time sheets of any of the events. No idea if I ever took a first place at any race.
I am antisocial, to paraphrase Red Foreman. The more people in a group, the better chance that one of them is a dumbass.
I have a small group of peeps that I converse with in EVE, have not seen them in weeks. When I go out on roams in low sec I don't have the fleet to take down freighters, blobs, gate camps etc... So I have yet to engage anybody. I tried once at a low sec belt but I landed right in the rocks and got hung up, had that cruiser had one gun fitted instead of mining lasers I would have popped easily.
I just don't get D scan. I have spent hours trying to learn, it just does not work for me. Yes, I could do more skill training. Frankly I am scared that I will commit the time to train but not get the magic "AHA" moment of how it works. "Risk Vs Reward"
I don't understand how to make ISK while doing it. The bulk of my ISK goes to skill books and PLEX.
When I first subscribed I came for the PVP, and then I found the manufacturing side. I have logged in to do some market trading, set up a research job or two and set up some build jobs figuring in an hour I will log off and wash the car or something. 10-12 hours later and I realize the sun has gone down and I can't go outside to wash my car. Total immersion.
Egos and self worth. I have fired employees who trolled me. I have quit jobs that my boss continually trolled me. I don't spend my time with "friends" that smack talk to me. Family members have been blocked from my life for how they treat me.
Why should I pay to play a game where I have to force myself to talk to players that have to tell me how good they are and how much I suck? If you are so good, try teaching me something, think ransoms not gank.
Still interested in PVP, I have been planning to get an alt and joining RVB or just flying out to low sec until I find somebody that will except me into thier corp. Understand that I have been planning that for over a year. |
Kutsue
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.14 16:17:00 -
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the need to be in pvp corp, their requirement to have Team Speak , Ventrilo or other VoiP software on my computer. I am not afraid of losing ships i expect too, may try FW because it seems to be doable solo or with ingame chat, another hindrance is time RL.
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Jax Bederen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.07.14 19:15:00 -
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Aareya wrote:Boudicca Arbosa wrote:I'm 10 days old. There's absolutely no way I can take down a vet. None. At all. It's misconceptions like this that keeps people in high sec and avoiding pvp. That being said, there is a niche for those who don't want to pvp. Not everyone can be the hunter. Some people have to be the prey.
Don't forget to wash the pizza stain from your t shirt, great video game space ship "hunter".  |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2012.07.14 20:25:00 -
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Kutsue wrote:the need to be in pvp corp, their requirement to have Team Speak , Ventrilo or other VoiP software on my computer. I am not afraid of losing ships i expect too, may try FW because it seems to be doable solo or with ingame chat, another hindrance is time RL.
lol people still refuse to put VoIP programs on their computer? May I ask why? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
455
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Posted - 2012.07.14 20:39:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:Kutsue wrote:the need to be in pvp corp, their requirement to have Team Speak , Ventrilo or other VoiP software on my computer. I am not afraid of losing ships i expect too, may try FW because it seems to be doable solo or with ingame chat, another hindrance is time RL.
lol people still refuse to put VoIP programs on their computer? May I ask why?
Dunno other people, but I would bother others if i talked at the PC. That's a pretty common occurence to people who doesn't lives alone.
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
212
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Posted - 2012.07.14 20:40:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:Kutsue wrote:the need to be in pvp corp, their requirement to have Team Speak , Ventrilo or other VoiP software on my computer. I am not afraid of losing ships i expect too, may try FW because it seems to be doable solo or with ingame chat, another hindrance is time RL.
lol people still refuse to put VoIP programs on their computer? May I ask why?
Some people believe (including myself) that when playing a game everything you need to play the game should be IN the game. Adding all this extra stuff is annoying. I'm not going to argue the pros and cons of it with you, but there you have it. |
Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
4
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Posted - 2012.07.14 20:57:00 -
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The #1 reason I avoid PvP, is every corp I have ever seen that encourages PvP is full of players I can't stand. The sort of jerks whose general manners make you wonder if they have ever graduated Junior High. Who brag endlessly about their victories, constantly insult everyone around them, and are too full of testosterone and empty of brains to work towards a coordinated plan. I play online games to get away from this sort of twit, not to associate with them. |
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