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Diablo Ex
Red-Five
70
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:18:00 -
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Honestly, what keeps me from PvP combat (even though I have done it on occasion) is simply the fact that I'm not interested.
I don't get a woody over the idea that I must amass a huge kill board to prove that I am a success. It does not inflate my ego one iota. When I do "PvP" it's because it is something to do, or it is necessary in order to accomplish some other goal. Going out in a combat ship to kill other players is IMHO very repulsive and moronic. It serves no higher purpose than getting a cheap thrill at another's expense. Seriously, I know that statement will offend some of you, that's fair... we are equally offended.
I served my time in RL Military, I've seen the elephant, and I know what it takes to achieve an objective. For me combat is a means to an end... it is NOT a cheap adrenaline pseudo-drug trip. I play EvE because it is a complex and challenging emersive game environment, as well as a social outlet. My toon (Diablo) is trained primarily to be a supporting role in combat, not a simpleton grunt with a gun trying to get his Epeen on. I hate with a passion these young kids nowdays with the "Bully" or "Thug" mentalities. They are a societal blight, not worth the brown stain in my shorts. It's too bad that they can't find a more meaningful purpose to their lives than simply ganking unwilling and peaceful highsec carebears just because they can...
I guess that makes me a "Real Life" BitterVet
Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem" |
Nebula Terron
Wolf's in Sheep's Clothing
32
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:18:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Nebula Terron wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Nebula Terron wrote:Eve Pvp is just not casual player friendly.
I log in about once a week for a couple hours, and often don't log in for 3-4 weeks at a time. How much more casual could you get? I log in get convos, members asking for stuff. The Ceo needs something done, somewhere something went offline and needs onlining. Once this is all done, I join a fleet, wait for the FC to sort his things out, wait for people to join the fleet...and wait....and wait....wait for Titan to bridge...wait and wait. Then I log off and go to sleep. Show me where is it casual friendly ? Wrong corp/alliance perhaps?
If you have been somewhere for 6 years it is hard to just turn your back on them an leave.
On a sidenote, anyone recruiting ? :))
Eve Online Forums: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. |
Skorpynekomimi
234
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:27:00 -
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Currently, Hull Upgrades V training. It's got a while left.
Once that's done, it's just finding where the **** I put all the bits I've bought for those rifters, and assembling them.
Then packing them into my orca, hopping down to near where I want to fly the things, jumping to a clone, and boarding ships.
After that? It's just a matter of who I find to shoot at. Once I've burned through those rifters, I'll make some more and go do it again. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:29:00 -
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Halete wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:...
This so hilariously wrong and full of assumptions. I've never baited or used neutral reps. Nor have I ever used the term 'you silly carebear'. I'm actually pro-bear. If you want to play that way that's cool by me. But this kind of attitude knocks my respect for 'bears down several pegs, to be honest.
Halete, I believe we are talking about different things. The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik. There's only a small bunch of methods that can be used to get a High-Sec fight without having one side being concordokken. If you don't can-flip, bait. gank or ninja-loot then you must be in low-sec.....
*checks killboards*
Yup... you are in low sec. different things. |
Mizhir
Club Bear
30
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:32:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:
The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik.
Who says that? |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
265
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:38:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players. So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of ' You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks. 
Didn't realize that this was a High Sec thread, especially with many of the replies coming from Nullfriends.
Say we're strictly addressing as OP alluded to, High Sec non-PVPers.
What's stopping you from basing out of High Sec but PvPing?
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Mallak Azaria
303
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:40:00 -
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Halete wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players. So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of ' You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks. Didn't realize that this was a High Sec thread, especially with many of the replies coming from Nullfriends.
Highsec players that don't PvP only post on the forums to complain about being ganked. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:40:00 -
[68] - Quote
Mizhir wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:
The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik.
Who says that?
The OP did on post #1:
Marconus Orion wrote:This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of ' You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks.
Again:
Marconus Orion wrote:Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.
...one more time:
Marconus Orion wrote:--->directed at high sec players<---.
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Sarray en Welle
Ashfell Celestial Equilibrium
POD-SQUAD
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:41:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Subscriptions to other games where PvP is free and is just one button away.
This.. World of Tanks is just much more fun 
But seriously.. I hate PvP in multiplayer online games.. In MMORPGS i hate it, dont know why.. Perhaps i play a lot like its a singleplayer game. Perhaps i dont like to gank others, but prefer to help them, and play co-op.. Who knows..
Irrelevant..
I started playing EVE because its SF game, and its a lot similar to ELITE. Who doesnt remember ELITE - www.google.com
P.S.
But, i will engage in PvP later, just not on my main acc.. Made a frig alt.. Just as easy fun, this is still my pimary interest.. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
265
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:41:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:...
You repeated that a hell of a lot of times to miss the point. Well I guess 'Shameless' is accurate.
Anyway, enjoy playing your way. 
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
227
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:44:00 -
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Despite being in Minmatar FW and part of a pvping corp, the reason why I don't solo PVP is because I can't be arsed to bother with taking a long time to find an "equal" 1v1 fight. I plex a lot in my EVE time and I fly away from most ships and those pilots complain. Those pilots are usually in destroyers, cruisers, T2 frigates, faction frigates... and they wonder why I warp off as soon as they warp into the plex.
While I appreciate the disparity between ship classes and in-group categories (for example, T1 frigates / Faction frigates / T2 frigates are 3 categories of the frigate hull) I just don't bother with the risk. Therefore I keep plexing and avoiding solo pvp because most people fly around in faction frigs / t2 frigs in FW. I do attend to fleets because at least the disparity between ship classes and in-group categories don't matter as much to me in a fleet. I feel comfortable blobbing a Drake with 5 other frigates than I do trying to fight a kiting interceptor in a Rifter.
I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:46:00 -
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Halete wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:...
You repeated that a hell of a lot of times to miss the point. Well I guess 'Shameless' is accurate. Anyway, enjoy playing your way.
Sorry... didn't meant to sound like a smarty-arse. I kinda over did it, my bad.
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Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
265
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:47:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:...
At least you're not the people in my space leaving grid in AFs/Dramiels when a Rifter lands.
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Mizhir
Club Bear
31
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:47:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:...one more time: Marconus Orion wrote:--->directed at high sec players<---.
Obviously you don't understand it yourself. So dont try to mock me that way.
He says high sec players not highsec PVPers. So he is talking about all the highsec carebears who just farm missions / mine / whatever all day long.
Again, don't act like that, when you don't even understand it yourself. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
227
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:51:00 -
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Halete wrote:Private Pineapple wrote:... At least you're not the people in my space leaving grid in AFs/Dramiels when a Rifter lands.
They are probably leaving because they have aggro from every rat, which would add up to a considerable amount of DPS if he were to be webbed by your Rifter. I know I would be dropped dead in seconds if I got webbed while speedtanking a Caldari medium complex.
I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
265
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:54:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:Halete wrote:Private Pineapple wrote:... At least you're not the people in my space leaving grid in AFs/Dramiels when a Rifter lands. They are probably leaving because they have aggro from every rat, which would add up to a considerable amount of DPS if he were to be webbed by your Rifter. I know I would be dropped dead in seconds if I got webbed while speedtanking a Caldari medium complex.
Would be relevant and true if they were taking rat aggro in a plex, but hell, I'm just talking about celestials, acceleration gates and empty belts.
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
CutMeOwnThroatDibbler
Killer Carebears Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:57:00 -
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The very wording of the question implies that everyone wants to PVP. We all get our kicks in life in different ways . PVP has never held any great interest for me against what I do in the game .
I like to play the market chat with mates and mine and make stuff . Thats what I like to do . If I had an urge to PVP I would , the same as I would bungie jump if I wanted to . I dont therefore ......... |
Mizhir
Club Bear
31
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:59:00 -
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CutMeOwnThroatDibbler wrote:The very wording of the question implies that everyone wants to PVP. We all get our kicks in life in different ways . PVP has never held any great interest for me against what I do in the game .
I like to play the market chat with mates and mine and make stuff . Thats what I like to do . If I had an urge to PVP I would , the same as I would bungie jump if I wanted to . I dont therefore .........
And there is noting wrong with that. EVE is much more than pew pew, and that is what makes this game so great. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
811
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:00:00 -
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First, I assume you mean PvP: Space combat, not market PvP, or exploration, or any of the other forms of PvP that are in this game other than space combat.
For me its that adrenaline makes me feel terrible. I do not get "The Rush".
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players.
People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:00:00 -
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I think there was some ship captain in world war two who, on being congratulated for a very significant pvp kill, said "I cannot take pleasure in the demise of another man".
Frankly, I don't enjoy beating other people in any walk of life, whether in sports nor in online games. I'm more the cooperating than the competing type. It give me no pleasure nor enjoyment whatsoever to beat another player in a game. I never enjoyed chess nor soccer nor any of that. I've even deliberately lost a game so as to not humiliate someone.
I must seem like a very strange sort of character indeed.
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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:00:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:
Obviously you don't understand it yourself. So dont try to mock me that way.
He says high sec players not highsec PVPers. So he is talking about all the highsec carebears who just farm missions / mine / whatever all day long.
Again, don't act like that, when you don't even understand it yourself.
U mad bro?
OP also predicted this behaviour in the 1st post:
Marconus Orion wrote:--->please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.<---
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Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
266
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:03:00 -
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Except they were talking about your misinterpretation of the thread, not criticizing how you play.
Let's just all settle down. ;)
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. // Throwing one's hands up in the air and crying 'cal-matar nonsense!' seems to be the new dismissive these days when someone is being neither relevant nor dignified. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:08:00 -
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Halete wrote:Except they were talking about your misinterpretation of the thread, not criticizing how you play.
Let's just all settle down. ;)
What misinterpretation?
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Mizhir
Club Bear
31
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:09:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Mizhir wrote:
Obviously you don't understand it yourself. So dont try to mock me that way.
He says high sec players not highsec PVPers. So he is talking about all the highsec carebears who just farm missions / mine / whatever all day long.
Again, don't act like that, when you don't even understand it yourself.
U mad bro?
Well atleast its not me who is so butthurt and start bitching about highsec pvp.
Shameless Avenger wrote:OP also predicted this behaviour in the 1st post: Marconus Orion wrote:--->please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.<---
Do you even understand english? He is talking about pvper's flaming each other for doing another form of pvp. Which is pretty much what you are doing, when you are flaming people for doing highsec pvp. And the funny thing is that they dont talk about highsec pvp at all. |
RAW23
The MD Elite
122
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:14:00 -
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When I initially got into eve I was attracted by the PvP aspect and all the nullsec politics. The first year I played eve I had a huge amount of time I could spend in the game due to being a stay at home dad for a 6 month old. However, that also meant that while I could have eve on all the time I also had to be able to step away from the screen at a moment's notice. This was exacerbated by having a wife who hates computer games with a passion and considers it a slap in the face if I don't 'pause' my game and give her my full attention whenever she speaks to me. So, I rapidly came to the conclusion that a) I couldn't guarantee I would be able to meet any given commitment to play at a certain time, putting small gang pvp out of my reach; b) I normally had to break off from playing at least half a dozen times an hour to tend to the family, making any combat situation a nightmare; c) I wanted to find activities in the game that fit the time-profile I have available and that turned out not to be PvP with guns. So, I got into trade and industry instead. I'm currently on an extended break from the game but when I come back I intend to try PvP again as my boy is now quite a bit older and my wife has become a little more tolerant of games since I introduced her to some online farming games and she developed exactly the same 'antisocial' habits I displayed when playing eve (she still hates eve though ). If I can't manage proper PvP then my intention is to get into PvP by proxy and use my isk earning capabilities to run a combat-oriented corp as the strategy and management side should fit my time profile even if actual combat does not. |
Aemonchichi
Limited Access
Guardian Society
36
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:20:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:And there is noting wrong with that. EVE is much more than pew pew, and that is what makes this game so great.
that is the truth 8)
if in eve u wanna pvp u have 2 types of targets:
1. the willing - they are stronger than u in skillpoints/fitting/rr repping friends/hotdropping friends/uncloaking friends
2. the unwiling - they are fewer, weaker, or even pve players ranging from traders/haulers to miners to mission runners/plexers
pls realize that "willing" pvpers change to "unwilling" very fast
both choices end in a unsatisfying result (but thats only my opinion)
but hell this is eve, so everyone in this game found something or the other that gives him fun
the problem is people not able to understand other peoples motivations/reasons and reacting like the average dumb joe - fear that they wont aknowledge turns into hatred and these forums are full of it, sadly
i came to eve years ago after seeing some ATourney Vids, craving for pvp like this, i started eve, found it once in a while and a lot of other pvp ways i didnt like, but then i found so much more and even after years i still find interesting new stuff in this game
pvp is only one aspect of the game |
Sarray en Welle
Ashfell Celestial Equilibrium
POD-SQUAD
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:23:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:
This was exacerbated by having a wife who hates computer games with a passion and considers it a slap in the face if I don't 'pause' my game and give her my full attention whenever she speaks to me.
Sounds to me u need to get a divorce.. or educate your wife.. Or play cleverly (pause in a mmo, loooolll.. My wife also said such a stupidity  )
Quote:
I'm currently on an extended break from the game but when I come back I intend to try PvP again as my boy is now quite a bit older and my wife has become a little more tolerant of games since I introduced her to some online farming games and she developed exactly the same 'antisocial' habits I displayed when playing eve
O, nice, that was just too clever 
Farmland, we the gamers will be in your debt FOREVER.. Allthough id NEVER play u, thank god u exist.. lol |
Gerald Taric
86
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:37:00 -
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@Marconus Orion:
Thanks for asking nicely.
At this moment ( !!!) i personally see no advantage out of PvP for my daily activites in high sec.
It has a little bit to do with my real live attitude, which is similar to: "If you don't disturb my activities, i don't interfere into your activities." (ingame this applies to high sec for me).
If i am - for example - in WH space or low sec, the following equation applies:
The possible profit must be higher or equal to the possible risk/loss.
And this decission is not easy. As a casual player, ships have more value for me opposed too those, wo somehow learned to squeeze Millions of ISK within a short time range out of EVE, or indirect inject real money into it via PLEX sells (which i refuse to do). Therefore it is some kind of "fear" to loose too much to experienced players , for ... what benefit? I must be - let me say - for ~ 70% sure, that there is a chance for me.
Maybe some are tempted to call me a coward, but that does not hurt me really, btw. (i know, who and what i am). Please see also https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1569658#post1569658 for a similar question about "risk".
If i will be maybe a part of a 0.0-sec-alliance somewhere in the future, then there's something to defence togehter with others --> the above mentioned equation widens. Then a personal loss might be acceptable for the chance of the alliance winning the challenge, which is - in the end - also a benefit for me.
TL;DR:
Back to high sec:
1) I see no profit for me.
2) Gaining joy by making others suffer where they expected "peace" *) (for example by ganking) is no lovely joy for me.
*) yes, i know ... "by undocking, you consent to pvp" ....
Maybe this will change in future, but .. at the moment: that's it. |
Grinder2210
Kaotic Intentions
Cold Hand of Shadow
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:40:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players. So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of ' You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject. Thanks.
What keeps me from pvp? People who choose not to shoot at the red guy  |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
2
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:43:00 -
[90] - Quote
People bitching about other people avoiding their gatecamps.
If that's PvP in this game, I'll take the AI. |
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