You didn't really read my post, did you?

if you can't deal with some 13-year-old calling you a ****** every once in a while, you should probably not be online in the first place.

Every last word.

Maybe if you didn't include this part it would have come off better. I see this thrown around a lot and used against people who have expressed they don't care for someone calling them a ****** once in a while. Did you ever ask yourself that maybe, just maybe it is ok to not be ok with being called (whatever mean stuff v0v)?

Anyways, this is getting off topic a bit. The guy doesn't care for the immaturity that seems to bust out at the seams when it comes to PvP. That is his point of view. Just because you are ok with the immaturity, does not mean he is wrong to not be ok with it. You popping in here with, "I know it is wrong, but you are wrong to not be ok with it being wrong." is just silly.

That was one sentence out of three paragraphs. It seems like you're throwing out the baby along with the dirty diaper.

Look, I'm not saying that people have to be fine with being insulted online. What I did say was that it's inevitable that someone will insult you, so you'd be much better off learning to deal with it instead of relying on avoidance, which at some point is guaranteed to fail.

And there's nothing wrong with my claim that people who have zero tolerance for asshattery don't belong on the Internet. They really don't have any business signing into a social online environment, just like epileptics have no business watching Pokemon episode #38, and people with arachnophobia have no business moving to Florida. *shudders*

The real problem is that we're disagreeing over what I said, instead of the message I'm trying to convey. I said "apple," and you said "nuh-uh, you said 'orange'."

And then I look at you, bug-eyed, and ask "what?" Because I clearly confirmed that it's okay to not be okay with someone being mean to you online, and you act as if I've taken the exact opposite stance.

I have nothing against you or your play style, and your choice whether or not to pvp is yours and yours alone, but please. please don't bring real-life morality into a discussion about shooting people in video games. Your intent might be amicable, but by doing so, you essentially become the soccer mom who blames Grand Theft Auto for the local school shooting. When you rationalize video game violence with moral stances, you hurt both gaming and freedom of expression as a whole.

Also (and don't consider this as anything but friendly advice), you need to work on developing a thicker skin toward interaction with other people on the Internet. Once again, there's nothing wrong with having a type-B personality (heck, I have one myself), but if you can't deal with some 13-year-old calling you a ****** every once in a while, you should probably not be online in the first place.

Quick edit: and the reason you need to work on a thicker skin isn't because you have some obligation to do so, or because some stranger told you to, but because it will help you cope when some 13-year-old inevitably does call you a ******, and despite your best efforts, you won't be able to avoid reading/hearing his words.

To expand on my RL comparison earlier I don't walk down the street and hit people but I do hit them at Kickboxing practice.

Neither do I. But, to continue the analogy, all of EVE is like a big FFA kickboxing practice (the various sec bands are different rooms with different tournament rules). There is no non-consensual PvP in EVE because you consented when you signed up. It may be unexpected, but don't tell me you've never been caught off guard and surprised by your opponents kick.

I accept that to be part of Eve. You accept and I gather from your responses in this thread even exploit that part of Eve. We're both on the same page there. I even mentioned it in an earlier post that I understand that to undock is to face the dangers of the universe outside. Maybe we could even be said to be different sides of the same coin. However, I also accept that there are people in Eve who don't feel that way. Spectators is perhaps a good analogy. Maybe even spectators standing on the mat during a fight. Are they foolish for thinking they are safe there? I will grant that. I just choose not to be the one who teaches them the dangers of being too complacent. I'll leave that up to the people who enjoy doing so and don't hold it against them. I only really dislike PvPers when they're blatant jerks about it.


We both know Eve is a harsh place. Where I warn other people of that fact and hope they listen a PvPer teaches them a harsh lesson. PvPers have goals just like I have goals. If we meet then may the person with the better plan win the day.

I generally don't PvP, because for all the bragging "pvp'ers" do, they don't actually PvP either.

The only real PvP I have access to is lo-sec, I'm not interested in joining alliances in null. So that means, in low.. this is what you have access to:

People that play docking games.

People that gate camp.

PvPPPPPPPPP

I roam around in a frigate when I'm bored and don't feel like doing anything else. I generally attack anything I find. In 6 hours I managed to have one good fight. I managed to get someone ratting, in a BC. Had a good fight but his drones popped me. He called out "GF" in local, and that was that. Good stuff.

99.5% of the rest of my encounters though? People that exploit flagging mechanics, or don't have the balls to fight by themselves. Either that, or people that stop fights so their friends can join in for the killmail. I went after a Tengu in my T1 frigate, he started backing off and ran away after he got 50% into his shields. He ran away from my T1 frigate.

Lo-sec sucks, and null alliances are depressing. I'd honestly rather mine, lo-sec is that bad. Camping a gate or station for hours, oh my so exciting. Padding my killmails in a large gang with 'no risk'.. so much balls, so exciting.

If I end up doing any serious pvp, it will be in w-space where people either choose to fight or sit in their ******* bubble.

Is not just login time Akirei. EvEmon time, Forum Time, evefit time, dotland time, singularity time, etc. You can't just login, strap whatever modules you have in hangar and go fight. You need to do your homework. And that takes more time than a casual player has.

Attitudes.
PVP is not all out war/genocide.
I would prefer to exterminate an enemy and make certain they never come back.

Did this really need a Necro after a month?

BTW 500 post Snipe.

Right now, I'm just waiting for skill points to tick over. As soon as I'm running Level 4s for income, I'll start training some frigate skills for a small gank ship to use in the meantime. Before I made this character, I had a different character which I used for one month and racked up 600m kills with 100% efficiency so I'm not averse to PvP in any way, it's just I was still learning at that time and wasn't completely happy with my the appearance of my Avatar or some of the decisions I'd made with it so I decided to take that experience and start fresh. Currently, I've been playing EvE for less than 2 months, this character is about 3 weeks old.