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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:33:00 -
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Have to say that having just started missioning after the patch... I've either been pretty unlucky or the missions are a lot further away now due to the load balancing fix. The weapons also seem to have been replaced by '1 Metal Scrap' each. I didn't notice extra tags to make up for the difference.
If I have to fly my salvager 4 jumps for the junk that I just found then I'm not going to bother.
Can't help wondering if mission loot (and thus reprocessing) isn't going to drop off a lot more than I thought when I first read about the nerf.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.27 10:40:00 -
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Matched 5th bet. 1.4 bil so far total.
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Seminole Sun
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Posted - 2010.05.27 15:20:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Seminole Sun
I think a far more interesting bet would be the combined price of Isogen + Nocxium [...] up in real isk vs. where they are now or if it'll just be a relative increase.
Heh, that's a bet I'd never really make, as it's (at least for me) way too close to call.
I (try to) only make bets when I'm 90+% sure I know what will happen 
I'll bet you 1 isk for pride ;)
I say Nocx and Iso combined (straight Nocx + Iso price) is up 30 days from now ;)
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Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:23:00 -
[94]
I'll stake 100m for no crash.
ISK sent to Shar Tegral @ 16:22 Eve time.
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Rodarine
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Posted - 2010.05.27 17:11:00 -
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well it is all relative. Prices have already plummetted 15-30% already, so maybe they dont drop significantly off that. Triyt was 3.0 forever, now can be easilly gotten for 2.4. Pyer was 7.7, but for the most part was 7.5 everywhere, is now easilly gotten for 4.6. Iso was 56-57 depending on time of day, now it is 43. Mex was 29 and sometimes 30, now its 24.5 just about everywhere. Nocx has gone up slightly, but mostly on speculation I would say. But it was 90 for a long while and now is creeping up to 115 in some places.
So the prices have already crashed, whether or not they rebound is anyones guess. But I would say that even with summer coming they probably wont rebound to what we saw 6 weeks ago.
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Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Llyandrian
I'll stake 100m for no crash.
ISK sent to Shar Tegral @ 16:22 Eve time.
Bumped for response/acknowledgement.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:56:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Llyandrian
Bumped for response/acknowledgement.
Sorry about that wait. Yup, receipt on that isk.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
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Uppsy Daisy
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Posted - 2010.05.29 10:03:00 -
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Crosses fingers that everyone starts building massive amounts of the most mineral consuming items in the game, like Titans.
Or 0.0 outposts...
Who'd have predicted that Akita?
If only the BPO copy times weren't so long...
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.29 17:08:00 -
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6th bet matched, 1.5 bil total.
Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
Crosses fingers that everyone starts building massive amounts of the most mineral consuming items in the game, like Titans. Or 0.0 outposts... Who'd have predicted that Akita?
Hehe, you wish
That is indeed one extremely unexpected development, which might turn my almost completely certain victory in a pretty tight race.
Quote:
If only the BPO copy times weren't so long...
...and if only they wouldn't have just removed the NPC orders that enabled infinite supplies of cheap components 
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Uppsy Daisy
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Posted - 2010.05.29 18:00:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Akita T
Hey, you can still bet against me, at least you have better odds now
I'm already in for a meagre 250mill and I'm not going any higher...
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:20:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
Crosses fingers that everyone starts building massive amounts of the most mineral consuming items in the game, like Titans.
Confirming that I will be purchasing at least 7bn trit over the next couple of weeks if all goes to plan, and have purchased about 5bn of it already in the week or so prior to the patch 
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 04:10:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Bel Arvardan
I would even bet money on it, but I dont trust anyone.
I often wonder... do people really understand what they are saying when they say it? This for instance, speaks more of the speaker than any possible subject. Firstly, because it is bull****. Everyone trusts someone. Or, more correctly, only stark raving mad hermits living in a cave on the ass end of nowhere don't trust anyone. A person sitting comfortably in a house, maybe their own, typing on a computer their brief thoughts across the internet is, by definition, a member of society. Productive may be debatable, usually by their mothers, but still a member of society. You have to trust someone along the way to get to that point. (I trust that the power will be provided until my post is accepted. I trust that my ISP isn't modifying any packets so that my thoughts get there. I trust that my neighbor hasn't punched a hole in my gas line and is maniacally laughing at my imminent demise.) Secondly, the statement really says "I would do x but" which means, "I wouldn't do x I just don't have the balls to be honest about it". By using some lame ass excuse that "I don't trust anyone" the poster can claim more courage than he really has. See, in the poster's mind, anonymity removes any ethical or moral judgment in people - because anonymity removes it from him. So, in essence, he feels that he can say anything without anyone being able to call him on it. After all, who cares, we are all anonymous. But he still fears that someone will call him on it (guilty conscious) so he hedges his bets by stating he doesn't trust anyone. Must be hard going through the day wanting to have a set of balls but being to afraid to let them grow.
Sorry for the derail, but that is an absolutely epic demolition. Have you considered taking your skills to CAOD? 
Anyway, carry on, sweet thread.
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Jan VanRijkdom
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Posted - 2010.05.30 05:03:00 -
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Lol, look, another admirer of Shars fabled blasts of innocent bystanders who have given him no reason for his attack. That's the kind of prey he likes best  .
He hasn't the balls to take on anyone who matches/surpasses his wit, as is evidenced by his cry for help to CCP mods and non replies to mine and others scathing replies to his caustic posts.
You're right tho, an absolute demolition.
Funny when I demolish him, he doesn't take it so well....
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.30 05:42:00 -
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I suppose the recent sudden drop in battleship sales prices (and also overall mineral costs) won't help at all to make more people come forward and take the bet... but the promise of extra usage for outposts/supercaps might.
Oh well, betting is still open for almost 2 full days, so if you're going to get into the fun... do it soon.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:32:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Akita T on 31/05/2010 11:32:38
Barely over half a day left until betting closes !
Last chance to gamble your ISK in an epic fashion !
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Samroski
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 31/05/2010 11:32:38
Barely over half a day left until betting closes !
Last chance to gamble your ISK in an epic fashion !
You've done too good a job convincing everybody about your predictions Akita :)
With all the countless discussions (there was obviously more than one point of view) about mineral prices/insurance fraud/mission loot nerf etc over the last 8-10 months, I thought there would be more people interested in this bet.
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2010.05.31 14:10:00 -
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maybe the actions of certain individuals shouldnt be discounted in all this just saying
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Uppsy Daisy
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Posted - 2010.05.31 15:12:00 -
[108]
Originally by: laksmi2
maybe the actions of certain individuals shouldnt be discounted in all this just saying
Be less cryptic.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.01 00:32:00 -
[109]
And betting is closed already.
Out of the (up to) 20 bil put on the line, only 1.5 bil of opposing bets were made.
Oh well... now we wait and see
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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2010.06.01 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Out of the (up to) 20 bil put on the line, only 1.5 bil of opposing bets were made.
Originally by: laksmi2
maybe the actions of certain individuals shouldnt be discounted in all this just saying
I don't know Akita. Looks like laksmi2 has something to say. Maybe we'll see shar confirm she placed an 18.5b bid against you (Not something I'm willing to wager on, of course )
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Uppsy Daisy
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Posted - 2010.06.01 20:26:00 -
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Just as I thought a mass buy up of minerals for outposts would save me......
They make T4 Planet Mats reprocess into Trit.
Here comes a mass trit-dump onto the markets.
Sigh....
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Ex Industrialist
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Posted - 2010.06.02 05:10:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
Just as I thought a mass buy up of minerals for outposts would save me......
They make T4 Planet Mats reprocess into Trit.
Here comes a mass trit-dump onto the markets.
Sigh....
When did this happen?
We're mining planets for Trit now? Won't Chribba be unhappy his veld is now worthless...
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2010.06.02 06:48:00 -
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my apologies to the betters here.
before patch i decided to go against the trend and invest in 5 m glossy compound and 15 m lustering alloy. which were supposed to increase in value after the patch.
during the last days i have the minerals resulting from reprocessing mentioned materials placed on the jita market, additionally to my usual mineral turnover. there is the possebility that this has put the prices of some minerals under pressure, unforseable by most that decided to bet.
most of the mins are sold now and the influx of those rather large amounts of mins could stop pretty soon. of course there could be a new source incoming. i hope that my actions have not resulted in influencing the betting negatively.
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Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.02 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: laksmi2
my apologies to the betters here.
before patch i decided to go against the trend and invest in 5 m glossy compound and 15 m lustering alloy. which were supposed to increase in value after the patch.
during the last days i have the minerals resulting from reprocessing mentioned materials placed on the jita market, additionally to my usual mineral turnover. there is the possebility that this has put the prices of some minerals under pressure, unforseable by most that decided to bet.
most of the mins are sold now and the influx of those rather large amounts of mins could stop pretty soon. of course there could be a new source incoming. i hope that my actions have not resulted in influencing the betting negatively.
No how could you for see an massive dump on the market lowering the cost lmao 
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Yiulian
Boathouse Industries
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: laksmi2
my apologies to the betters here.
i hope that my actions have not resulted in influencing the betting negatively.
If you didn't do it on purpose to skew the results of the bet you have very little to apologize for imo.
Besides, the timespan for the bet is long enough for this not to influence it much anyway, regardless of whether it would to begin with.
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Dr Mitsubishi
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Posted - 2010.06.02 09:52:00 -
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 how to open teh mineral basket:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkWmE_c_qno
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Minner
No how could you for see an massive dump on the market lowering the cost lmao
Let's not forget the opposites though :
* there allegedly are NPC buy orders for broken components at 25k ISK a piece, so trit can't fall (much) under 2.5
* the removal of widescreen options allegedly did affect a lot of mining bots (so that should be a severe drop in macro-mined ore, at least until the "opposing side" fixes/updates their stuff)
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
* there allegedly are NPC buy orders for broken components at 25k ISK a piece, so trit can't fall (much) under 2.5
Yeah because you can produce broken components from tritanium 
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 02/06/2010 14:00:31
Originally by: Qoi
Originally by: Akita T
* there allegedly are NPC buy orders for broken components at 25k ISK a piece, so trit can't fall (much) under 2.5
Yeah because you can produce broken components from tritanium
Re-read what you quoted and add "just because of the glut of broken components in circulation" at the end (which would normally be self-understood, given how the sentence started).
P.S. If it's still not clear, I was giving examples of things that could PREVENT OR DELAY the crash of the mineral basket (i.e. give some hope to those that bet against me).
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Qoi on 02/06/2010 14:33:26
Originally by: Akita T
P.S. If it's still not clear, I was giving examples of things that could PREVENT OR DELAY the crash of the mineral basket (i.e. give some hope to those that bet against me).
If prices fall below 2.5 ISK/unit, people will just sell to the buy orders. In any other case, they will dump lots of tritanium on the market, bringing the tritanium price down until it's at 2.5 ISK/unit, accelerating the mineral crash. (Of course there is not enough tritanium in those broken stuff to really affect the market, but that's what you are implying.)
How will an influx of tritanium help the price stay up? Is there some reverse psychology thing i missed?
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