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Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
1185
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:40:00 -
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Armarrian Slave wrote:As a fledgling indy/manu toon. I already fine it very daunting to figure out everything I need to do in order to create tech 2 items. And find PI very annoying and confusing at times. Wouldn't a good way of reducing cost be to simplify the manufacturing process as a whole? I understand that its supposed to take effort in order to create tech 2 ships and components. But at times I feel that it is a more time consuming effort then what it should be. I must admit that I can't give any examples on how I would change it, without risking making it to simple.
Slightly off topic, but I regret that I have to inform you that you are completely wrong in every aspect, sir. Eve is the only MMO with a more or less working player based economy..and that is BECAUSE manufacturing and invention are complicated. Have you ever played WoW? Everybody had his crafting skills and had to build large amounts of useless stuff just to increase their skills. The result was that the market was flooded with manufactured and processed goods that nobody wanted to buy and raw materials on the other hand were always worth far more than the refined product. If anything, I would like to see similar mechanisms for t1 production as in t2 production, like having to build components like thrusters and armor plates first that will be used in the second step to build the final item. The more complicated the system is, the fewer people will bother with it. The fewer manufacturers there are, the more profit for each of them. Supply and demand.
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:41:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I knew this thread was going to be bad but I didn't know it was going to be this bad.
what did you expect?
though i have to agree this thread looks like the zoo where the monkies chuck **** at each other... and then the npc alt eats it and smiles...
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Dilly Dallyer2
Pestis Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:43:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:This will help a little but does nothing about the remaining static source of isk from Tech that is totaly located in the north. The price of tech will be capped as With Prom and Dysp from the first batch of Alchemy but the prices will remain high.
Out of interest, as you said you have been playing EVE you several years you wouldn't happen to be in the coalition that just concered some of the regions with most of the Cobalt in game would you.
Nothing personal but we're all human and in general humans are the least honest species on the plannet. In the past the big alliances that are friendly with devs, or have devs in them seem to have had crystal balls and been able to gain from updates that the masses (who by the way pay for the game) are not privy to. there is far too much cobalt in the game to cartel it, and controlling all tech + all cobalt would require us to control half of 0.0 and half of lowsec which is a little absurd
With a 20:1 ratio if every single Cobalt moon in the game was turned to Alchemy then there would only be a 50% increase in supply. In reallity this will not happen, all this change will do is bring the Tech price down by 20-25%. It does nothing to stop the CFC sitting on their big fat arses and just counting in the isk. |

Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
39
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:43:00 -
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Just wanted to say :
!!! LOVE THIS IDEA !!!
I'm so looking forward to this. Hard to find a new system worse then the current :) |

Kosmoto Gothwen
Frenemy Logicians
0
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:44:00 -
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First off glad this is all getting looked at.
I wanted to show some real numbers to the profitability of this: Cobalt 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 128,100,000isk/wk Platinum 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 106,476,552isk/wk 128,100,000isk + 106,476,552isk = 234,576,522isk/wk
Produces Platinum Technite which refines into Platinum Technite 10/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 1,680units = approx 176,566,303.20isk/wk Platinum 95/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 15,960 = approx 101,184,644.40isk/wk Output value per wk = 277,750,947.60isk
Approx Large Tower fuel cost = 147,840,000isk/wk Approx Medium Tower fuel cost = 73,920,000isk/wk
Profits Large Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 129,910,947.60isk/wk Medium Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 203,830,947.60isk/wk
So the above isk values are based on current Jita avg sell prices via eve-central. (Not worth nit picking isk prices when dealing with this size of numbers, and values fluctuate). Also I'm assuming your doing this on a single tower, it's doable but to get both resources on a single moon isn't likely, so you probably end up with multiple POS's or shipping one of the resources in, either way it would cut into the profit margin. As you can see at currently inflated market values it would be marginally profitable to do this reaction but if PlatTech went down it wouldn't be worth doing any more. Even at these numbers the risk is moderately high considering you have a billion isk POS set up (including fuel) to do this. |

Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:44:00 -
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Even when you do not even have 1/2 of what you say haha.. But good laugh thanks ...keep them coming I will be here all night.
Grath Telkin wrote:Look at the angry mob of poors in this thread.
Guess what this change means to all of you:
You'll still be poor because you don't have the foresight, drive, or motivation to go after the things that stop you from being poor.
We'll be backstroking through our 9 trillion isk that we've made off our moons while you all try to figure out whats the next best thing to do (that we'll already be well on our way to controlling).
GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:45:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:MeBiatch wrote:
you grath perhaps i should not have turned down your offer of man love... you seem to be a rather strict but sensual lover...
So this is your way of admitting you're an idiot and can't come up with any real ways that Goons have turned into BoB then? I'll take it, since you're barely literate as it is and we dont need to push you into doing something drastic.
now good sir we knew i was an idiot before i started to post so no need to get personal...
kind sir why be upset that your new overloards are like you old ones...
only difference i can see is sir molle had better style and was not as racist... oh and right now goons dont chuck thier meat shields away...
but come the nerf i suspect you will change sides again (who has the most gold and lube right) and wen you guys are fighting against goons again i suspect that goons will start to treat thier allies (pets) just like the GBC did... PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
853
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:47:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
now good sir we knew i was an idiot before i started to post so no need to get personal...
kind sir why be upset that your new overloards are like you old ones...
only difference i can see is sir molle had better style and was not as racist... oh and right now goons dont chuck thier meat shields away...
but come the nerf i and when you guys are fighting against goons again i suspect that goons will start to treat thier allies (pets) just like the GBC did...
Ok this is all your own personally distorted opinions on what makes somebody a racist and 'style' but not an actual list of similarities between BoB and Goons.
I mean, you do have a list right, theres no way that you're just standing here screaming that "GOONS ARE BOB" without any actual facts right?
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
853
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:47:00 -
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heh, who am I kidding, of course you are |

Istan Mahwi
Aliastra
7
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Katrina Bekers wrote:Cobalt already skyrocketed. Jita is dry. Time to change the reaction components, CCP... Please, please, please! This! It would be hilarious! 
PREASE!!!! i want to laughhhhhhhhh! eve is game. |
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Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:51:00 -
[341] - Quote
Young man you fail to realize my corp was ecstatic to live in NPC space. Have a great day.
Fly safe Gentlemen.
Lord Zim wrote:Fiberton wrote:Hrm you think no one who use to work for CCP is in the CFC ? haha.. Dude you know better but regardless least they are playing eve now. No I have no idea who they are. I am only speculating of course. Just look at all these bitter tears, honestly you can't even tell we burnt his house down just a week or two ago.
GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:52:00 -
[342] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:heh, who am I kidding, of course you are
if you are looking for proof just come see me in half a year when the bgc i mean cfc is no more...
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:53:00 -
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Aine Ni wrote:Just wanted to say :
!!! LOVE THIS IDEA !!!
I'm so looking forward to this. Hard to find a new system worse then the current :) you say that now, but i have this feeling you'll think back on this post in a year and go "oh how naive i was" |

Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:53:00 -
[344] - Quote
It will not be based on cobalt :) Continue on :) Incoming switcharoo ...
EvilweaselSA wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Fiberton wrote:Hrm you think no one who use to work for CCP is in the CFC ? haha.. Dude you know better but regardless least they are playing eve now. No I have no idea who they are. I am only speculating of course. Just look at all these bitter tears, honestly you can't even tell we burnt his house down just a week or two ago. he would have so much cobalt otherwise!
GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á |

qxkv LXXVI
Hapax Entropia
0
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:55:00 -
[345] - Quote
About time. Few people on top of the pyramid have gotten insanely rich over time. There is such a disparity in resources in the game that null sec has gotten completely stagnant, with major wars occurring rarely, and when they do they are over in a few weeks. But better late than never I guess. |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:57:00 -
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Fiberton wrote:Young man you fail to realize my corp was ecstatic to live in NPC space. Have a great day.
Fly safe Gentlemen.
whoa haven't seen an unironic "we didn't want that space anyway" in years |

Lord Zim
1047
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:59:00 -
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Fiberton wrote:Young man you fail to realize my corp was ecstatic to live in NPC space. Have a great day. Fly safe Gentlemen. Lord Zim wrote:Fiberton wrote:Hrm you think no one who use to work for CCP is in the CFC ? haha.. Dude you know better but regardless least they are playing eve now. No I have no idea who they are. I am only speculating of course. Just look at all these bitter tears, honestly you can't even tell we burnt his house down just a week or two ago. ~didn't want that space anyway~
~we're finally free to wulfpax our way to irrelevance, and we're positively loving it~
~but our k/d ratio~
~our killboard is green~ |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:02:00 -
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Istan Mahwi wrote:Tippia wrote:Katrina Bekers wrote:Cobalt already skyrocketed. Jita is dry. Time to change the reaction components, CCP... Please, please, please! This! It would be hilarious!  PREASE!!!! i want to laughhhhhhhhh! anyone owning cobalt already got owned |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:02:00 -
[349] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Fiberton wrote:Young man you fail to realize my corp was ecstatic to live in NPC space. Have a great day.
Fly safe Gentlemen.
whoa haven't seen an unironic "we didn't want that space anyway" in years
i think its sad RA pretty much invented Goons and now Goons are all mean like bob and being mean to poor old RA...
i still am fond of the old Red Swarm Federation...
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
166
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:03:00 -
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Hi CCP.
Im drunked, i cant extract sense form this blog, please forgive me, im your most loyal customer, since 2007, time spent in game 495d 21h 54m on main.
Looks like this blog show that null space is woth to fight, or this blolg is full of irony about goons who posses a lot rare moons.
Your nothing worth in EvE politics customer alt, named Cloned S0ul.
Regards.
Ps. Must read it again, totaly drunk. Teemo for president. |
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Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:05:00 -
[351] - Quote
Rumors without accompanying evidence will be removed. - ISD Tyrozan.. The Chatter is all getting around...The community will find out about the people who no longer work at CCP and play eve within the CFC. Atleast that is what the eve community hears. Would CCP lie to us about it ? It would not be CCPs faulty anyway not 100%. I assume these ex employees signed NDAs but once they no longer work for you...DO you think they will hold to them ? I think not but... regardless this nerf is great and I am glad CCP is doing something about the re-balance. Here goes another 8 years of EVE :) The simple fix for that is to flip it to something else and the ill gotten intel is worthless simple
Fly safe.
PS ISD Tyrozan The truth will come out. If this is either true or false the answer always comes out. I personally have no damn Idea. But you think it is just coincidence ?
MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:In before GÇ£but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!GÇ¥  and here we all thought that test was only looking for good fights? -snip-
Rumors without accompanying evidence will be removed. - ISD Tyrozan GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á |

Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
255
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:06:00 -
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Elecktra Blue wrote:"The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards."
Yes not like a group of players took the time to grind sov, place towers, keep up the logistics of said towers, and defended them. How did I miss this?! Ahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Seriously though, this change is a very positive step in the right direction. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:08:00 -
[353] - Quote
Cloned S0ul wrote:Hi CCP.
Im drunked, i cant extract sense form this blog, please forgive me, im your most loyal customer, since 2007, time spent in game 495d 21h 54m on main, looking for job, as tester nolifer, no joke.
Looks like this blog show that null space is woth to fight, or this blolg is full of irony about goons who posses a lot rare moons.
Your nothing worth in EvE politics customer alt, named Cloned S0ul.
Regards.
Ps. Must read it again, totaly drunk.
wow did not know it was possible... but this guy posts worse then me...
slow clap....
bravo.
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
166
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:09:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:Hi CCP.
Im drunked, i cant extract sense form this blog, please forgive me, im your most loyal customer, since 2007, time spent in game 495d 21h 54m on main, looking for job, as tester nolifer, no joke.
Looks like this blog show that null space is woth to fight, or this blolg is full of irony about goons who posses a lot rare moons.
Your nothing worth in EvE politics customer alt, named Cloned S0ul.
Regards.
Ps. Must read it again, totaly drunk. wow did not know it was possible... but this guy posts worse then me... slow clap.... bravo. You must drink to create good post.
Sorry for my bad English. Teemo for president. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:10:00 -
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Fiberton wrote:Rumors without accompanying evidence will be removed. - ISD Tyrozan.. The Chatter is all getting around...The community will find out about the people who no longer work at CCP and play eve within the CFC. Atleast that is what the eve community hears. Would CCP lie to us about it ? It would not be CCPs faulty anyway not 100%. I assume these ex employees signed NDAs but once they no longer work for you...DO you think they will hold to them ? I think not but... regardless this nerf is great and I am glad CCP is doing something about the re-balance. Here goes another 8 years of EVE :) The simple fix for that is to flip it to something else and the ill gotten intel is worthless simple Fly safe. PS ISD Tyrozan The truth will come out. If this is either true or false the answer always comes out. I personally have no damn Idea. But you think it is just coincidence ? MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:In before GÇ£but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!GÇ¥  and here we all thought that test was only looking for good fights? -snip-
Rumors without accompanying evidence will be removed. - ISD Tyrozan
huh my responce to tippia was meant to be sarcastic and ironic... makes me a sad panda that they took it literally...
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

IceGuerilla
Poseidon's Wingmen Perihelion Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:12:00 -
[356] - Quote
Cobalt? More like lol-balt!  |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:13:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: i think its sad RA pretty much invented Goons and now Goons are all mean like bob and being mean to poor old RA...
i still am fond of the old Red Swarm Federation...
RA is just a name, everyone we liked from there runs their own alliance or is in goonswarm itself. Sad though. |

Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession Brothers of Apocrypha.
28
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:17:00 -
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KarmaHotelLobby wrote:It'd be nice if, in the process, you don't remove a source of alliance income with no replacement of similar magnitude. I far prefer the model that generates income from members rather than POS standing around - but the alliances with active membership using space should be at least significantly wealthy off the backs of their minions.
A look into how to tax mining and ratting taxes would not go amiss.
Tax the member corps based on their member count. Maybe not as simple as auto taxation but it will get your bills paid.
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
474
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:17:00 -
[359] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:MeBiatch wrote: i think its sad RA pretty much invented Goons and now Goons are all mean like bob and being mean to poor old RA...
i still am fond of the old Red Swarm Federation...
RA is just a name, everyone we liked from there runs their own alliance or is in goonswarm itself. Sad though.
that is sad but i am happy to know that some are still buddy buddy with you... i guess you hve to get russian corps to cover time zones eh?
PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
259
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:18:00 -
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Been wondering when this alchemy addition would be implemented when Ring Mining was pretty much pushed back to Soon(TM) here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1480841#post1480841 An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
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