Wocka Wocka!

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If this ensure that prices drop so I can afford to PVP again in something other than T1 frigs I love it.

But I just don't get it. It is such a strange solution.

Why not use your PI system (flaws and all) to produce vital moon minerals instead ?
That would ensure that minerals are distributed more evenly over the galaxy, are dynamic resources, and give DUST bunnies something meaningful to fight over.

Because we need more poses. =\
In any case, nice first dev blog Fozzie ;)

This isn't facebook..... :|

More regions to conquer I suppose. Woe is me!

We'll have to conquer everywhere.

More structure shoots.

What is technetium?

What is technetium?

If the numbers in the blog are real

you basically use 100 Cobalt and 5 Platinum to get just 10 Platinum Technite per reaction cycle.

If the numbers in the blog are real

--
100 Cobalt and 100 Platinum
reacts into
1 Unrefined Platinum Technite
refines into
10 Platinum Technite
and
95 Platinum
-

you basically use 100 Cobalt and 5 Platinum to get just 10 Platinum Technite per reaction cycle (= POS Cycle = 1 hour, i take it).
At current values, you would be loosing money not only on the pure reaction, but also on the fuel needed for that reactor/refineries bzw refining taxes etc.
To break even, the Tech Price (and with that the Platinum Technite price) would have to at least rise by 500% to make it worthwile to do this alchemy reaction.. This surely isnt a way to force prices down, if thats at all necessary.

The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards. This will eventually involve changes to both resource collection and the build requirements for construction of tech two materials and items.

If the numbers in the blog are real

--
100 Cobalt and 100 Platinum
reacts into
1 Unrefined Platinum Technite
refines into
10 Platinum Technite
and
95 Platinum
-

you basically use 100 Cobalt and 5 Platinum to get just 10 Platinum Technite per reaction cycle (= POS Cycle = 1 hour, i take it).
At current values, you would be loosing money not only on the pure reaction, but also on the fuel needed for that reactor/refineries bzw refining taxes etc.
To break even, the Tech Price (and with that the Platinum Technite price) would have to at least rise by 500% to make it worthwile to do this alchemy reaction.. This surely isnt a way to force prices down, if thats at all necessary.

You will notice that we are starting these reactions at the same conversion rate as the original alchemy instead of the conversion rate of current boosted alchemy. These ratios can and likely will change over subsequent releases as we adjust the system.

Remember that if you like this change you should hit the "like" button on this post. I need to know if this is the kind of work the community is looking for. ;)

Cobalt already skyrocketed. Jita is dry. Time to change the reaction components, CCP...

Ahahaha just kidding moongoo is completely broken and weGÇÖre going to fix that starting in Inferno 1.2.

If the numbers in the blog are real

--
100 Cobalt and 100 Platinum
reacts into
1 Unrefined Platinum Technite
refines into
10 Platinum Technite
and
95 Platinum
-

you basically use 100 Cobalt and 5 Platinum to get just 10 Platinum Technite per reaction cycle (= POS Cycle = 1 hour, i take it).
At current values, you would be loosing money not only on the pure reaction, but also on the fuel needed for that reactor/refineries bzw refining taxes etc.
To break even, the Tech Price (and with that the Platinum Technite price) would have to at least rise by 500% to make it worthwile to do this alchemy reaction.. This surely isnt a way to force prices down, if thats at all necessary.

We have a lot of data about what happens when you release 20/1 alchemy, so we started there.

No you won't, just like alchemy was supposed to be the holy grail, as you guys tried to tell us, it never really was.

Good thing that I rushed through that OTEC commercial while it was still relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSsTxJCyCpM

Didn't even wait to get home from work to like this! Congrats on the first dev blog Fozzie and keep up the good work! Look forward to hearing more from you in the future.

PS give the dev responsible for live community events a friendly syringe full of adreniline for me! We need more of those awesome events!

This is the first step in our plan to revamp tech 2 production. Changes to how the minerals are obtained will be coming before we're done (although probably not from PI).

From the blog:


We have a lot of data about what happens when you release 20/1 alchemy, so we started there.

We have a lot of data about what happens when you release 20/1 alchemy, so we started there.

"The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards."

Yes not like a group of players took the time to grind sov, place towers, keep up the logistics of said towers, and defended them.

its like we had a vision...

so we just conquered the new tec lands, lol

cobalt moons:

Period Basis 163
Querious 358

its like we had a vision...

so we just conquered the new tec lands, lol

thanks CPP

PS: Catch 434... NEXT

"The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards."

Yes not like a group of players took the time to grind sov, place towers, keep up the logistics of said towers, and defended them.

This will end well.

Prepare for an even more stagnant EVE :)

Congratulations on finally getting round to fixing one of the most cirtically game-breaking SNAFU's after over 2 and half years of doing God knows what.

Here is the original dev blog for anyone looking for the link on what was intended vs. what was delivered:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=703

@CCP Fozzie: The change sounds logical and will result in cheap Tech based goo.

If alchemy was not profitable, people would not run it, would they?

+1 for tackling an overdue problem

The only problem is I think you just made yourself Goonswarm's enemy No1 ;-)
(unless Mittani created OTEC purely for Trolling purposes in which case he has succeeded again).

"The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards."

Yes not like a group of players took the time to grind sov, place towers, keep up the logistics of said towers, and defended them.

Since it hasn't been said yet....

Soz, CCP waited over two and a half years and hired a new guy to fix a majorly imbalanced design decision from '09. Congratulations?

That said, alchemy looks promising.

cobalt moons:

Period Basis 163
Querious 358

its like we had a vision...

so we just conquered the new tec lands, lol

thanks CPP

PS: Catch 434... NEXT

Does this mean you are trying to eliminate sources of alliance-level income? Or is there something being planned to replace moon mining on an alliance level?

You'll bounce back I'm sure for the same reasons you climbed to power in the first place; being excellent at EVE!

Kudos
Omen

Congratulations on finally getting round to fixing one of the most cirtically game-breaking SNAFU's after over 2 and half years of doing God knows what.

But what about us at TEST who are not good at Eve?

We'll have to conquer everywhere.

More structure shoots.

I completely agree that alchemy is no holy grail. It is simply a start to the process.

Alchemy has the dual benefits of being quick enough to implement right away and having a moderating influence on the market that will make phase two much easier and safer for the eve economy.

The only problem is I think you just made yourself Goonswarm's enemy No1 ;-)
(unless Mittani created OTEC purely for Trolling purposes in which case he has succeeded again).

Looks like we might have to scale back our Machariel reimbursements slightly!

Out of curiosity, when was the last time someone actually threatened CFC's tech sov? Like... legitimately, not just trolling.

It's like the spice in Dune...only with Goons instead of sandworms.

I seem to remember when CCP previously discussed this they mentioned that they didn't like the idea that an alliance can hold a few moons and be rich, but hold absolutely no space, nor even live in the area with the moons. The idea CCP seemed to have here is that alliance income should be tied to how active an alliance is in their own space (As far as living there, defending it, upgrading it, mining, ratting, etc).

Hopefully the moon mining fix also ties in with this larger scheme of alliance income and they'll fix that. The current alliance/corp income mechanics are pretty broken. Ratting can be taxed by a corp, but not mining or market trading. Mining can be taxed via station refinery taxes, but many times these are either a) skipped when people refine at POS's, or b) held by alliance holding corps, resulting in a mining tax that goes to alliance instead of corp. Here again market operations and building don't get taxed (by the corp/alliance anyway, what is CONCORD doing taxing markets in player run 0.0?).

If CCP wants alliance to gain income via member actions the entire tax/income mechanics need to be overhauled as well. Corp leaders need to be able to directly (and somewhat evenly) tax all members of a corp no matter what their activity in a corp. It would also be great if they could tax them based on relative activity (kind of like ratting now) and not just a flat tax of XX mil isk/week or whatever, i.e. the more flexability here, the better. Let us run our own operations, but give us the tools to do it.

Alliances need similar power to chose who they tax (the corps directly, or the players directly) and how they tax them (flat tax, per member tax, tax against activities such as ratting, mining, marketing, etc). Again, they need to be able to make this fairly even across all activities.

I appreciate the CCP responses to this thread, as well as its mostly constructive discussion so far. I have one question for the CCP game design team:

What do you think about what I'd call the "traditional model" of a 0.0 alliance? Now, I can't speak for how things work in the south or east, but pretty much every alliance in the north works in a similar fashion. The alliance holds strategic assets (moons being by far the most important, then also POCOs and stations), which produce income to the alliance wallet. This wallet then funds ship replacement / ship sponsorship / capital / supercapital programs.

This means that the regular member in a reasonably well-run alliance will get their ship losses in PvP replaced by this alliance income. This means that I, as a member of an alliance, don't have to spend my time grinding NPCs or rocks for money, I can instead spend it fighting for my alliance - which is what I came to 0.0 to do.

If alliance-level income is nerfed to the point that it can't afford the ships needed to keep the alliance alive, the burden of making ISK falls down to the common grunts. I, as a busy person out of game, definitely don't have the time to spend shooting NPCs or shooting rocks or doing industry or whatnot to afford my ships. Neither I want to, I consider the vast majority of PvE content in EVE dull and repetitive. I prefer shooting other people in the face and taking their stuff.

Forcing alliances to tax their members and then use the taxes to buy ships doesn't solve the problem. It only means that the alliance will be redistributing the burden of the grind. If the "PvPer" in an alliance is to survive, someone else (or likely several people) will have to pay for their losses. I don't see a fair way of managing this that wouldn't result in a group of alliance members being exploited for their ISK.

And before anyone accuses me of wanting effort-free income, this is very far from the truth. Alliance (moongoo) income is by no means effort-free. Even now, in what I would consider peacetime, there is not a week without us having to fight to defend our moons. In an active war, moons are being attacked daily and frequently change owners. I would say that on average I spend as much time fighting for moons (and for sovereignty, and for CSAAs, and to just deter enemy fleets) as I would need to grind for money to afford my ships. The only difference is that I don't spend this time shooting NPCs, but shooting other people.

This aspect of EVE is what kept me attracted to it for the past three years. The fact that you can have a fully functional game without any of the background and content being provided by NPCs. As it stands now, the vast majority of my interaction with the game is player-driven. Our income as an alliance - which funds my ships - comes from bashing other players' towers, not from grinding NPCs. After a blanket moongoo removal with no comparable replacement for an alliance-level income, I don't see a way in which this type of gameplay could survive.

So here stands my question, is CCP aware of this "traditional model" of a 0.0 alliance? Do you want to support it, abolish it, or is it not a deciding factor in the process?

Thanks for any replies.

In before GÇ£but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!GÇ¥

It is summer time and that means vacation time ... so you would think! But our brave developers do not rest to improve EVE Online and to investigate which part of the New Eden Universe would benefit from developer love the most.

CCP Fozzie brings you news about Technetium in his inauguration blog "Tech is fine l2p". Please welcome CCP Fozzie and read his first blog here.

We invite you to use this thread for your (constructive and polite) feedback.

Except that's not alliance income. That's member income that the alliance chooses to take from the members and redistribute. By "alliance income" I mean income that doesn't come from one player grinding NPCs or grinding rocks or whatnot, but from the whole alliance working together to hold a strategic objective.

If moon mining was removed with no replacement alliance level income (I'm not saying that it neccessarily will, but so far I haven't seen CCP even suggest otherwise), you would basically have two options on how to run an alliance. Either it's everyone for themselves, where in order to fight you have to grind personal income for hours first - or the alliance starts imposing ratting taxes, mining taxes, refining taxes, market taxes, to the point where a big part of membership is simply exploited for all they've got in order to afford the "military" to have ships to fight in.

"The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards."

Yes not like a group of players took the time to grind sov, place towers, keep up the logistics of said towers, and defended them.

NO ADRENALINE!

Noted though. I want to get some going too, and we are working on some cool ideas.

Fozzie - great first devblog! Also excellent likewhoring

You mean they may have had prior knowledge before the invastion because of some ccp or ex ccp were in the CFC ?.. say it is not so ?

Also if this means that you guys are going to manipulate the market then well you might as well remove the complete economy.....

Would need to be :

A) - Equal in size (Have a chance at success)
B) - Not have space already (Have a need to fight)
C) - Not be blue to them (or a pet, Merc)

There is no such entity, nor will there be with zero barriers capping point C.

Healthy for EVE?

I don't get it... So we will be able to substitute rare items for common ones?

What's the advantage of using rarer/expensive materials? For example, will an absolution manufactured using expensive material have a better tank?

OTEC in roo-ins.

Decent first step, more interested in the long term plans to change the way moon mining / resource gathering in general is fixed... because it needs fixing.

In T1 terms, it would be like if you could create Isogen by banging Veldspar and Scordite

too damn cute that cobalt replaces tech, and is primarily found in the regions the CFC just roflstomped.

This really changes nothing. It simply introduces a price cap. You won't see much of a difference.

How many people do you know actually do Alchemy?

Quoting myself on this topic from before:

If the numbers in the blog are real

--
100 Cobalt and 100 Platinum
reacts into
1 Unrefined Platinum Technite
refines into
10 Platinum Technite
and
95 Platinum
-

you basically use 100 Cobalt and 5 Platinum to get just 10 Platinum Technite per reaction cycle (= POS Cycle = 1 hour, i take it).
At current values, you would be loosing money not only on the pure reaction, but also on the fuel needed for that reactor/refineries bzw refining taxes etc.
To break even, the Tech Price (and with that the Platinum Technite price) would have to at least rise by 500% to make it worthwile to do this alchemy reaction.. This surely isnt a way to force prices down, if thats at all necessary.

and this is surprising how? throw tinfoil at me if you must but if it looks like a duck quacks like a duck and gets in my way when I'm fishing, its a duck

too damn cute that cobalt replaces tech, and is primarily found in the regions the CFC just roflstomped.

/me puts on tinfoil hat

How suprising that the market was brought out of Cobalt 2 months ago....probably the only way this new Dev was allowed to start playing with Tech, giving Goons the heads up before....

A clueless goon

nbs

Wait so head of CSM would not give his Alliance an edge by accepting certain persons who use to work for said maker of game into into his alliance for full future intels ? Of course he would not he is TOP legit guy.

EVE Online: A Progressively Improving Game

EVE Online: A Progressively Improving Game

EVE Online: A PIG

This really changes nothing. It simply introduces a price cap. You won't see much of a difference.

Wait so head of CSM would not give his Alliance an edge by accepting certain persons who use to work for said maker of game into into his alliance for full future intels ? Of course he would not he is TOP legit guy.

And those pricecaps are awesome, because they put certain restraints on the economy, very similar to scrapmetal reprocessing, wich guarantees that no larger number of items will be sold below their raw mineral value for an extended time.
It's regulations like those that keep the player generated markets in eve online working- something that our RL governments fail continuously...

Funny how the CSM had their Newcastle, UK reach-around with CCP Unifex and friends ~2 months ago... call it a conspiracy or the delusions of the paranoid, but the CSM and Devs are only human. One thing leads to another, a hand-job is given and sekret game design information is the reward...

Quoting myself on this topic from before:

yeah we got the inside scoop on this weeks ago

you know, when soundwaffe posted it on the goon high-command forums

And you realize that the cap is higher than the current price of Tech?

yeah we got the inside scoop on this weeks ago

you know, when soundwave posted it on these forums

And you realize that the cap is higher than the current price of Tech?

Really? beat up the biggest guy on the block? - suddenly Soundwaves' surviving Fozzy attacks (waka! waka!) spring into sharp focus.

It's always nice to have a new guy to hang catastrophic failures around the neck of tho. Fozzy is so much more brave than I.

I know little about the festering heap of offal that is the moon product market other than it stinks and I won't touch it until it has been cleansed with fire. Faffing with alchemy rates is not cleansing with fire.

Aside from that I genuinely wish you the warmest of welcomes.

So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".

Good Idea / Bad Idea?

Clearly the solution is to add moon goo into wormhole space. There's hundreds of completely empty wormholes just waiting to poop out tech. Combine that with NOT listening to the terrible ideas about "stabilisers" and whatnot and you'd actually have some interesting mechanics imo.

Clearly the solution is to add moon goo into wormhole space. There's hundreds of completely empty wormholes just waiting to poop out tech. Combine that with NOT listening to the terrible ideas about "stabilisers" and whatnot and you'd actually have some interesting mechanics imo.

The second evolution IMO was the introduction of a slave system where alliances began incorporating renters or pets to help finance supercapital programs.

Therefore the system of alliances owning moon goo cartels is by no means the 'traditional' allaince structure, nor is it the only way alliances can generate wealth to help subsidise pvp ventures. What you will probably see is a return to renter alliances and the need for larger pvp focused alliances to protect industrially based corps or renters incorporated into their space.

This system you mention is not the 'traditional' system of alliance management. It is a product of the moon and sov changes of the last 3-4 years.

'Traditional' alliance structures were far more fuedalistic in nature where your right to access the wealth of a region, blue standings and infrastructure was gained by essentially declaring feality towards your corp ceo and upwards to alliance leadership through your corp leadership. The right to access the wealth (traditionally 0.0 ratting, mining and 10/10 plexes) was gained by ensuring that you arrived to fight to defend it when the banners are called.

Good examples of these types of alliances still exist in the majority of 0.0 alliances that dont hold tech moon cartels but the originals were the likes of Stain Alliance and Stain Empire.

The second evolution IMO was the introduction of a slave system where alliances began incorporating renters or pets to help finance supercapital programs.

Therefore the system of alliances owning moon goo cartels is by no means the 'traditional' allaince structure, nor is it the only way alliances can generate wealth to help subsidise pvp ventures. What you will probably see is a return to renter alliances and the need for larger pvp focused alliances to protect industrially based corps or renters incorporated into their space.

It wont mean you cant keep on pvping and getting paid for it through ship replacements. What it does mean is that large fleet losses will be far more painful to an alliance, and far less sustainable. I dont see a problem with this.

more rabblerabble

So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".

Good Idea / Bad Idea?

Yes because scanning every single moon in the game again sounds like good gameplay design.

So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".

Good Idea / Bad Idea?

You DO realize that your own alliance is part of OTEC?
Why don't you leave it if you don't like it?

Yes because scanning every single moon in the game again sounds like good gameplay design.

Yes because scanning every single moon in the game again sounds like good gameplay design.

Wocka Wocka!

Remember that if you like this change you should hit the "like" button on this post. I need to know if this is the kind of work the community is looking for. ;)

Yes, sure I should drift around in space shooting NPCs solo in an MMO.

Why don't *you* do something about it and suggest a solution that doesn't involve people having to stop flying with their buddies?

Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this.

on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement?

What would be the alchemy reaction for TINFOIL?

Reading the last few pages I could make a fortune in EVE by selling it

edit: typo

HmmGǪ was that before or after he said it to everyone present (and watching the stream) at fanfest?

Yes, because a system where 90% of the population get shat on to finance the fun of the other 10% sounds like a great way to keep people playing. Theres a reason the feudal system almost died out and it has very little to do with Tech.

Fixed that for you.

A fantastically written devblog. The dream is to temper the Tech prices and spawn conflict in lowsec like Alchemy 1.0. Here's hoping~

A fantastically written devblog. The dream is to temper the Tech prices and spawn conflict in lowsec like Alchemy 1.0. Here's hoping~

Three years too late if you ask me. Should have been explored in earnest the second PI was released .. speaking of which .. why not add some of the intermediate reaction products to specific planets to buffer supply even further?

It would fit in ever so nicely with player owned POCO's and could be used as very effective way to boost the elephant in the room (ie. Low-sec) with the said specific planets mainly existing in that most wanting yet perpetually ignored area of Eve.
Combine that with a nerf to supers when operating in Empire and you have the makings of epic sub-capital brawls over resources in low as well as null and give fledgling alliances/corps, who are unwilling to accept the ball'n'chain of null slavery, the chance to make their mark (read: low-sec Empires).

Looking forward to steps 2-10 in the war against the great ISK printing machine known as moon-goo (you get extra points for making grown men cry in public!).

In T1 terms, it would be like if you could create Isogen by banging Veldspar and Scordite together really hard, rather than go out and mine Omber. In the end, you just end up with Isogen, and it makes no difference when you build ships from it.

Fozz, can we noobs in highsec PLEASE have alchemy like this! ... Cause right now Caldari space doesn't have access to isogen and zydrine minerals and I am tired of being a low-sec chew-toy to just make T1 frigs.

#AlchemyAllTheThings

This will help a little but does nothing about the remaining static source of isk from Tech that is totaly located in the north. The price of tech will be capped as With Prom and Dysp from the first batch of Alchemy but the prices will remain high.

Out of interest, as you said you have been playing EVE you several years you wouldn't happen to be in the coalition that just concered some of the regions with most of the Cobalt in game would you.

Nothing personal but we're all human and in general humans are the least honest species on the plannet. In the past the big alliances that are friendly with devs, or have devs in them seem to have had crystal balls and been able to gain from updates that the masses (who by the way pay for the game) are not privy to.

HurrDurr HerpaDerp

Wocka Wocka!

Remember that if you like this change you should hit the "like" button on this post. I need to know if this is the kind of work the community is looking for. ;)

lol so we going to see a special dislike button too so all the Goons can dogpile you?

let me introduce you to a feature of eve called "buying things on the market"

EvilweaselSA = "Buy Tech on the market as well while you're at it, this alchemy thing is silly" ... I see you missed the point of the Devblog and everything else.

EvilweaselSA = "Buy Tech on the market as well while you're at it, this alchemy thing is silly" ... I see you missed the point of the Devblog and everything else.

Also, with balancing alliance income, how about you fix some of the Null regions which are almost worth not even holding?

let me introduce you to this concept of "reading quotes". The guy EvilweaselSA was quoting talked about isogen and zydrine, not tech.

EvilweaselSA = "Buy Tech on the market as well while you're at it, this alchemy thing is silly" ... I see you missed the point of the Devblog and everything else.

EvilweaselSA = "Buy Tech on the market as well while you're at it, this alchemy thing is silly" ... I see you missed the point of the Devblog and everything else.

\o/

Look at the angry mob of poors in this thread.


Guess what this change means to all of you:


You'll still be poor because you don't have the foresight, drive, or motivation to go after the things that stop you from being poor.

We'll be backstroking through our 9 trillion isk that we've made off our moons while you all try to figure out whats the next best thing to do (that we'll already be well on our way to controlling).

Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this. But I'm pretty sure they've already extracted their trillions out of it already.

on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement?

ah, if only reality had benevolent Devs.

Look at the angry mob of poors in this thread.

no you don't get it we're all doomed

doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed

why not just make moon goo npc only at a set price..then when goon's throw a big fit in jita why not have the caldari navy blow the hell out of them and destroy their assets..that would be funny as hell..

Grath "Vibrant Drone Regions" Telkin arrives in the thread.

no you don't get it we're all doomed

doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed

but that implies spending money, I just want to make things for free!

In a nonshocker, heres a rather bitter homless man who's home we just seized. Try not to touch him as we move past, he's not washed in a few days.

First leaking metric tons of opsec intel during the tourney, now this....


BoB's man on the inside did much MUCH better.

Fozz, can we noobs in highsec PLEASE have alchemy like this! ... Cause right now Caldari space doesn't have access to isogen and zydrine minerals and I am tired of being a low-sec chew-toy to just make T1 frigs.

#AlchemyAllTheThings

Hrm you think no one who use to work for CCP is in the CFC ? haha.. Dude you know better but regardless least they are playing eve now. No I have no idea who they are. I am only speculating of course.