EVE has been around for SOO many years and guess what, Moon mining is so damn tedious that there is not one single complete record of every moon in the game.

8 years, in a relatively unchanging environment and no one has scanned all the moons.

So am I lazy or are you ignorant of what moon scanning entails?

* Very moon (bar high sec, as that cannot be mined) is scanned, often multiple times.

* Every relevant moon can be found in public databases.

* Of course alliances will try to keep moon information as secret as possible, but that will never change.

* Even so, statistics for null sec are available and public and have been for years!

One moon being scanned by one guy/alliance doesn't mean the rest of the eve universe knows what's going on there.


Wrong.


Which means that everyone has to scan every moon in the entire eve universe. And if you're going to make this a depletable bullshit mechanic, you have to do that every month or 3 months or whatever the ****.


Wrong.

Look at you, assuming that information is actually 100% correct.

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How about making the game fun for millions instead of just your handful of immature pvp junkies and doing it all without direction from the community. Afterall, that is what the 15 bucks a month from your subscribers is for.... development of NEW content.

After seeing stuff like this in a public database, you you really expect that the moons in those system you do not see listed are all valuable? I wouldn't think so!

It's almost as if people have forgotten how the old moneymoons were spread pretty evenly across all space, before CCP ****** it all up.

I see the logic behind this, but its still a reaction to the symptoms and not the problem itself. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt however as you say the real solution in coming.

Personally, i would like to see depleting moons with random spawns of new materials. Give all moons a finite amount of resources, and when depleted, they would respawn somewhere else in new eden. This should be quite simple to implement and would solve nearly all of our current moongoo problems.

-Rare goo being confined to one part of space would be solved by random seeding.
-Rare goo being controlled by only the largest alliances would be largely solved by the unknown locations of new goo deposits.

This system could allow WH systems to produce goo as well making moon surveying in unknown space a profession.

Adjusting respawn consistency and amounts would allow ccp to somewhat adjust the supply of goo for when asteroid belt mining is implemented.

I simply don't see any downsides to this idea...

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This system could allow WH systems to produce goo as well making moon surveying in unknown space a profession.

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I see the logic behind this, but its still a reaction to the symptoms and not the problem itself. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt however as you say the real solution in coming.

Personally, i would like to see depleting moons with random spawns of new materials. Give all moons a finite amount of resources, and when depleted, they would respawn somewhere else in new eden. This should be quite simple to implement and would solve nearly all of our current moongoo problems.

-Rare goo being confined to one part of space would be solved by random seeding.
-Rare goo being controlled by only the largest alliances would be largely solved by the unknown locations of new goo deposits.

This system could allow WH systems to produce goo as well making moon surveying in unknown space a profession.

Adjusting respawn consistency and amounts would allow ccp to somewhat adjust the supply of goo for when asteroid belt mining is implemented.

I simply don't see any downsides to this idea...

You don't have to, there's people who will and will be more then happy to sell you the information.

WH systems are far from unassailable. Yes, you can't take 20 erebus, 15 avatars, and 40 nyxs in to do it so i can see why you guys might have a problem with this...

I see the logic behind this, but its still a reaction to the symptoms and not the problem itself. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt however as you say the real solution in coming.

Personally, i would like to see depleting moons with random spawns of new materials. Give all moons a finite amount of resources, and when depleted, they would respawn somewhere else in new eden. This should be quite simple to implement and would solve nearly all of our current moongoo problems.

-Rare goo being confined to one part of space would be solved by random seeding.
-Rare goo being controlled by only the largest alliances would be largely solved by the unknown locations of new goo deposits.

This system could allow WH systems to produce goo as well making moon surveying in unknown space a profession.

Adjusting respawn consistency and amounts would allow ccp to somewhat adjust the supply of goo for when asteroid belt mining is implemented.

I simply don't see any downsides to this idea...

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True, it's possible.

Let's say you want to get the absolute LOWEST value technetium is likely to settle down at.

So, let's downvalue cobalt back down to previous negligible levels of 500 ISK and assume platinum hovers at only around 5k and with a very pathetic 100m/mo/reactor (be it regular reaction of alchemy reaction, although it's more work to do an alchemy reaction than a regular reaction due to the extra refine and refill step).
1 "regular" non-alchemy PT should be 0.5 tech + 0.5 plat + 0.1 fuel cube + 700 ISK for 100m ISK/mo/reactor profit.
1 tech = 2 PT - (plat+0.2 fuel cube+1.4k ISK), give or take, so in other words, 1 tech = 2 * alchemy PT - 8.8k, roughly.
Let's make that 1 tech = 2 * PT - 9k.

A) for 20:1 alchemy
1 alchemy PT = 5k cobalt + 2.5k plat + 35k fuel + 14k profit = 56.5k ISK
1 tech = 105k ISK minimum

B) for 10:1 alchemy
1 alchemy PT = 2.5k cobalt + 2.5k plat + 17.5k fuel + 7k profit = 29.5k ISK
1 tech = 50k ISK minimum

C) for 5:1 alchemy
1 alchemy PT = 1.25k cobalt + 2.5k plat + 8.75k fuel + 3.5k profit = 16k ISK
1 tech = 23k ISK minimum


Mind you, we're talking negligible platinum price hike from current semi-speculated levels (unlikely but conceivable), lack of hike in fuel block costs (possible, but not certain), cobalt bottoming out to barely pre-speculation frenzy levels (also unlikely, but borderline possible), and a HORRIBLY LOW returns on work expended on the alchemy reactions.
So, those are quite literally the rock-bottom prices at which you would be crazy to sell at, with actual prices most likely well above that.
The previous post was closer to the other extreme, more of a top price in each scenario, whereas this is a bottom.

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Ahh, the sounds of a defeated forum combatant.

Random shuffling and/or depletion is a very stupid idea.

It will not encourage more warfare. Why spend potentially billions in ships to take a moon which might (and very likely will if you don't want to screw with the rarity tables as well) become worthless in a few weeks? All it encourages is holding huge areas of unused space, just to give yourself a better chance of getting the rare spawns. Every moon you hold will be a lottery ticket, the more tickets you have the bigger chance of winning the jackpot. Which is completely opposite to what we (people who have a clue about how 0.0 works, as well as CCP) are trying to accomplish.

It will not benefit smaller alliances or corps. That moon in the arse end of Derelik you hold that nobody bothers to take away from you because lol tungsten? Yeah, next week it turns into something moderately valuable and you'll get to see what a fleet of titans looks like from up close. The bigger you are, the more people and alts can you throw at scanning moons, and the faster can you project force across EVE to put up a tower before anybody else does, the more moons you'll be able to grab. Victory or defeat in actual battle will be more or less irrelevant.

In order for the 0.0 ecosystem to work there need to be strategic targets to fight over. Whether that's moons or systems or planets or whatever it doesn't really matter, but no alliance will commit fleets of hundreds of ships just to watch the fireworks. Wealth should be determined by winning or losing battles, not by who gets the luck of the draw this month.