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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: JennyD OK so we going to lose Ankha from the CSM
she had the second greatest number of votes , with no alliance/corp block vote supporting her. Most of her votes gained by campaining.
In her place we get mazzilliu, voted in with an alliance block vote.
She tried to campaign on the low sec vote ( showed she had no clue about how low sec worked.) her alliances low sec involvement appears to be dropping super caps on a few BS, or smaller ships , for risk free ganks.
Made a cheesy campaign video that basically said `look at me I am a girl , vote for me`
posted on the PL forums that she is not ugly, fat , or stupid so deserves votes (its worth getting a copy of her post )
personally i dont think this will be improving the CSM in any way shape or form.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:22:00 -
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So, what are we going to call this very very funny scandal?
Spoongate?
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab So, what are we going to call this very very funny scandal?
Spoongate?
Nothing to do with any spoons, nothing to do with blogs...
Let's call it the "unfortunate departure of a controversial person for reasons that can't be made public, that lots of people are happy about (and others not so much)"
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Christ, 7 wasted votes. Oh well..
since its pretty obvious you lack any sort of critical thinking skills do everyone else a favor and refrain from voting in anything ever again
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Virtuozzo
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stefan11 This is better than real life politics.
All we need is a sex scandal.
What makes you think there has not been one already.
J'ai violT votre vaisseau spatial. C'Ttait amusant.
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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: XenosisReaper "During this time, the media company Submarine took an interest in EVE Online for the documentary they were making, "Another Perfect World". They approached me, and accompanied me to Iceland. Later on, I assisted Submarine with the development of their documentary, providing them with valuable footage"
Quoting from her Portfolio Website, during her time as previous CSM candidate
Intriguing. I wonder if this was the cause. *shrugs* _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here |
Tar Getdummy
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tar Getdummy on 08/07/2010 13:57:02 Well my opinion,
the CSM was a failed PR job right from the beginning, trying to give a company that is more about modelling the players to their game, than the game to it's players, a caring look.
Until I get proved wrong, I will stay with the conviction, that eva was just not eve enough to carry the fig leaf, pretending that ccp actually followed any advice coming from the CSM. She devalued an expensive PR campaign, so they found a reason to get rid of her.
Well, after all, all that does not mater much. CCP will do, as CCP does. Either you accept that or leave.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Getdummy Until I get proved wrong, I will stay with the conviction, that eva was just not eve enough to carry the fig leaf, pretending that ccp actually followed any advice coming from the CSM. She devalued an expensive PR campaign, so they found a reason to get rid of her.
We all know this was merely a coverup to hide the fact that CCP and the other CSM members found out Ankh was an insectoid alien who had stolen the skin of some poor woman. After a heroic battle they managed to drive it over the edge of a volcano, resulting in an eruption that grounded flights for weeks all over Europe.
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Viral Effect
Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:05:00 -
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Hopefully the CSM will be disbanded soon. |
Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:08:00 -
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Funny Sok the great and allpowerful CSM is a troll complaining about people voicing their opinion and since it doesnt agree with his they are trolls?
And people call people voting for Ank Stupid.
Doesnt really matter just proves the fact CSM is a joke for a free trip
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Jacqueline Harrien
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Higgs Foton I do not know her, but given she run for Dutch parliament for the pirate party makes a NDA violation very plausible. We all know the pirate party gives a rats behind about intelectual and copyright laws, so i wouldn't be suprised if she has breached the NDA because in her opinion it means nothing.
As a member of the Pirate Party UK, I'd like to emphasise that this statement is factually incorrect -- we care an awful lot about copyright law, and think that copyright is a worthwhile concept, but we think that how it works needs to be modified a bit. I encourage people who want to find out more about the Pirate movement to check out our manifesto. Please sling your mud elsewhere.
Between reading CSM5 logs, spoongate, and now this, it seems to me that Ankh is a complete headcase. I'm slightly puzzled as to how PPNL ever thought she'd make a good politician.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Getdummy
Until I get proved wrong, I will stay with the conviction, that eva was just not eve enough to carry the fig leaf, pretending that ccp actually followed any advice coming from the CSM. She devalued an expensive PR campaign, so they found a reason to get rid of her.
You already have been proven wrong and are basing your idiotic conejctures on nothing, so please, change your conviction, tia.
These attempts to make her look like some sort of hero really are pathetic. į
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab So, what are we going to call this very very funny scandal?
Spoongate?
Nothing to do with any spoons, nothing to do with blogs...
Let's call it the "unfortunate departure of a controversial person for reasons that can't be made public, that lots of people are happy about (and others not so much)"
not catchy enough, i like spoongate better
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab So, what are we going to call this very very funny scandal?
Spoongate?
Nothing to do with any spoons, nothing to do with blogs...
Let's call it the "unfortunate departure of a controversial person for reasons that can't be made public, that lots of people are happy about (and others not so much)"
not catchy enough, i like spoongate better
I liked this suggestion:
Originally by: Bin Matar **** Ankhgate we should name it Ankhmas. That wonderful time of the year When Father Ankhmas flies all around the EvE universe in a Mini drawn behind a team whiteknights and carebears delivering lols to all the good boys and girls.
į
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Madner Kami
Gallente Durendal Ascending Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:43:00 -
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How mature of you, Sokratesz. How about getting yourself a shower and cooling your head down a bit? Ankh isn't really a perfect CSM (or was), but you certainly should do better then that.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 08/07/2010 14:50:37
Originally by: Jacqueline Harrien
Originally by: Higgs Foton I do not know her, but given she run for Dutch parliament for the pirate party makes a NDA violation very plausible. We all know the pirate party gives a rats behind about intelectual and copyright laws, so i wouldn't be suprised if she has breached the NDA because in her opinion it means nothing.
As a member of the Pirate Party UK, I'd like to emphasise that this statement is factually incorrect -- we care an awful lot about copyright law, and think that copyright is a worthwhile concept, but we think that how it works needs to be modified a bit. I encourage people who want to find out more about the Pirate movement to check out our manifesto. Please sling your mud elsewhere.
Between reading CSM5 logs, spoongate, and now this, it seems to me that Ankh is a complete headcase. I'm slightly puzzled as to how PPNL ever thought she'd make a good politician.
If Jacqui Smith can be Home Secretary, I don't see why Ankh cant be a politician. In fact the very aspects of Ank's character that we dislike seems to be on ethat ideally qualify her for the job.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Madner Kami How mature of you, Sokratesz. How about getting yourself a shower and cooling your head down a bit? Ankh isn't really a perfect CSM (or was), but you certainly should do better then that.
Agreed, that kind of behavior should be beneath someone in your position ---
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Stefan11 This is better than real life politics.
All we need is a sex scandal.
What makes you think there has not been one already.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Misanth
Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Clovermite
Originally by: Malcanis
CCP, CSM members and Ankh herself have all confirmed that this is connected with something that happened in a previous CSM, and is nothing to do with CSM5 (at least not directly)
Links or it didn't happen.
All Ankh has said is that it wasn't the blog and that she doesn't agree with them. All CCP has said can be summed up as "She broke NDA. We don't want to tell you why." As for CSM members, I only count Sok as speaking for the legitimacy of the claim. The others have only commented on Ankh, or confirmed that the blog wasn't involved.
Personally, I'd like to see Mynxee comment on the matter. She's seemed to take a middle road on the ankh controversy in the past (both acknowledges that Ankh has issues, yet fairminded enough to recognize and respect the anti-ankh campaign).
Certainly, Ankh leaving the CSM is not that a huge loss.
BUT, the very fact that CSM was created in response to internal corporate dishonesty and favoritism from CCP employees DOES affect this matter. ESPECIALLY because CCP has, so far, given CSM the same treatment you give a group of touring kindergardners (Oh that's a great idea sweety! Now run along and play while the grown ups do real work. Here's a crown to make you feel special- smile for the cameras!).
While it is their official policy, and legal right, to stay quiet, it definitely does not do well for them PR wise.
All it takes is a simple "While serving under the term as CSM member, Ank divulged sensitive information to a third party." NDA agreements are quite purposefully left extremely broad, so it is very possible (especially considering CCP's track record) that they found a technicality to use to kick her out simply because they did not like her. If the "reason" is something she did x months/years ago, then that is just an asinine excuse to can her out of favoritism.
Keep the details - it's confidential, I totally understand the need to protect proprietary information. DO, however, point to a specific form of breach.
After all, this whole thing started when a certain unnamed spy uncovered questionable activity, and was banned for bringing it up to CCP in a petition as that was "breaking the EULA."
Pretty good summary. The chances of us getting an answer to those questions is near nil tho. CCP will either just leave this matter without comment, or they will pull another PR blog post (or make CSM do it for them), where they divert the subject.
It's quite ironic how the CSM actually gives CCP more tools of hiding things from players, instead of actually giving the transparency it was supposed to. And what boggles me, is why players accept this blindly. CCP got all rights, yeah, but we gotta stop being idiots and make sure they close down that PR stunt to put those RL money to good use instead. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Peem
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Peem on 08/07/2010 15:55:44
Originally by: foksieloy Btw, the news of the village idiot CSM member who got booted made me so happy, I made 9 women pregnant by just passing next to them on the street.
Originally by: Enriana Shli****n Lol this means the idiot is atm trying to blackmail ccp into letting her back in
I wonder why CCP tolerates insults??
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.08 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 15:59:39
Originally by: Madner Kami How mature of you, Sokratesz. How about getting yourself a shower and cooling your head down a bit? Ankh isn't really a perfect CSM (or was), but you certainly should do better then that.
OH MY GOD SOKRATESZ, WHY AREN'T YOU BEHAVING MORE APPROPRIATELY? LIKE BY WAILING AND GNASHING YOUR TEETH AND PULLING YOUR HAIR OUT.
... Personally, I think "loongate" points more to the core issue that triggered the demise of Ankhesencopypasta.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.08 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
Originally by: Madner Kami How mature of you, Sokratesz. How about getting yourself a shower and cooling your head down a bit? Ankh isn't really a perfect CSM (or was), but you certainly should do better then that.
OH MY GOD SOKRATESZ, WHY AREN'T YOU BEHAVING MORE APPROPRIATELY? LIKE BY WAILING AND GNASHING YOUR TEETH AND PULLING YOUR HAIR OUT.
If you want to add some fuel to the fire, I suggest you add 'why aren't you paying more respect to the paying customer' in big capsy letters. į
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.08 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 16:11:57
WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING MORE RESPECT TO THE PAYING CUSTOMER?
(Always happy to help the CSM )
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Zathi Shaitan
Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2010.07.08 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez
Originally by: JennyD OK so we going to lose Ankha from the CSM
she had the second greatest number of votes , with no alliance/corp block vote supporting her. Most of her votes gained by campaining.
In her place we get mazzilliu, voted in with an alliance block vote.
She tried to campaign on the low sec vote ( showed she had no clue about how low sec worked.) her alliances low sec involvement appears to be dropping super caps on a few BS, or smaller ships , for risk free ganks.
Made a cheesy campaign video that basically said `look at me I am a girl , vote for me`
posted on the PL forums that she is not ugly, fat , or stupid so deserves votes (its worth getting a copy of her post )
personally i dont think this will be improving the CSM in any way shape or form.
+1
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BAteh
We're Just Screwing Around
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Posted - 2010.07.08 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
If you want to add some fuel to the fire, I suggest you add 'why aren't you paying more respect to the paying customer' in big capsy letters.
Too late to derail attention from the fact you just made a complete fool of yourself on this thread while using the "CSM" tag, so enjoy it while you can, because it -WILL- be brief.
That is all. Goodbye.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.08 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 16:58:04
Originally by: BAteh
Originally by: Sokratesz
If you want to add some fuel to the fire, I suggest you add 'why aren't you paying more respect to the paying customer' in big capsy letters.
Too late to derail attention from the fact you just made a complete fool of yourself on this thread while using the "CSM" tag, so enjoy it while you can, because it -WILL- be brief.
That is all. Goodbye.
Confirming that I will vote for Sokratesz because they make people see things that aren't really there.
Also confirming BAteh will form out mist next election and single-handedly sabotage your chances of victory, Sok.
Seriously, people need to calm down.
It isn't the end of the world.
Just Ankhesencopypasta.
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Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2010.07.08 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 07/07/2010 19:26:20
Originally by: Dirk Smacker More plausible explanation than being fired for posting identical information that other CSM members wrote about.
And an even more plausible explanation is that she posted information that the other CSM members were sensible enough to keep to themselves, in accordance with the NDA.
Quote: CV? Speak English!!!!
It's called a resume rTsumT.
If you're going to spell it that way, at least put the diacritics in there so it can't be confused with something that continuesą
Yes, please speak English...and use a French word.
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Sol Mahon
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.08 17:24:00 -
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As far as I'm aware it is the CSM's rsponsibility to bring to the attention of CCP, the playerbase's likes and dislikes, fears and wants, etc.
So, what absurd policy allows the CSM to have information the rest of the playerbase doesn't? Seems to me the CSM are getting a little ****y and over stepping there mark. Ankhesentapemkah should not have had access to anything the community does not have access to, its supposed to go one way CSM to CCP, not CCP to CSM. Are the CSM developers now? or just a conduit for the playerbase?
I want this, I tell the CSM, the CSM tells CCP, CCP say ok or no. not: I want this, I tell the CSM, the CSM discusses over biscuits and tea the intricicies and possible flaws of implementing such and idea in which they are given excuses containing information they should not have, nothing gets done.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.08 17:30:00 -
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Cleared up spam, off topic, trolling, and personal attacks.
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Clovermite
Kamikaze Fleet Command Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.07.08 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Spugg Galdon
And to all those who are saying this is bad PR for the CSM and CCP, think again. There is no such thing as bad PR. PR is PR.
*Le sigh*
You have a very valid point there (particularly ironic as that is part of the reason she got so many votes in the first place). So I suppose we can just get our kicks from the drama, and find every opportunity to grief CCP for their tyrannical nature - might as well give em the PR they so desperately crave.
I feel sorry for the CCP devs that are actually cool people. It can't be too fun to work in an environment where you have to walk on eggshells to avoid corporate retribution.
Originally by: Dograzor Edited by: Dograzor on 08/07/2010 09:05:00
Originally by: Clovermite
Personally, I'd like to see Mynxee comment on the matter. She's seemed to take a middle road on the ankh controversy in the past (both acknowledges that Ankh has issues, yet fairminded enough to recognize and respect the anti-ankh campaign).
Linkage
Last time I checked, Meissa is not an alt for Mynxee ;)
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