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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.09 01:03:00 -
[421]
 Originally by: Titanius Bridge
Originally by: AterraX
dosn't seem like you understand that part at all.
Because you keep pushing for CCP to reveal information under NDA, as to why Ankbrokethenda got booted.
That's not the information I'm asking for. Or are you saying the entire situation is under NDA so we have to be left in the dark about the entire set of events?
1) Further revelations regarding the NDA breach may increase the risk that the information that was exposed could be exposed to a wider audience. We do not know the circumstances of the breach - this is true. However, as we do not know those circumstances, we can hardly judge what is and isn't appropriate for CCP to disclose to us about the breach. I think this may be called a "Catch 22" situation.
2) As I suggested earlier, the situation may have moved beyond the scope of the NDA - there may now be other external factors being considered by CCP and Eva Jobse - significant ones.
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Titanius Bridge
Caldari
Black Forest Operatives
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Posted - 2010.07.09 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Titanius Bridge on 09/07/2010 01:17:05
Edited by: Titanius Bridge on 09/07/2010 01:15:19
Thanks for explaining that, Cobalt. It makes more sense. I still don't like being left in the dark, but if it isn't possible, I'm not going to pursue it. I'm just too used to RL authorities keeping things secret that have no business being kept from the public.
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Hagen Guralman
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Posted - 2010.07.09 01:37:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Dr Lebroi
My gut feeling is that this amounts to the suppression of bad news for long term players rather than CCP being keen not to spoil a wonderful surprise.
Not necessarily. There are plenty of reasons why companies will not, and absolutely MUST not divulge information. For example, there are rules around how companies recognize revenues after disclosing information related to future projects (I'm not an accountant, so I don't know the exact rules).
Remember, CCP is a company, and it also has rules it has to follow. The NDA isn't just about keeping information secret for PR or marketing purposes, it's also about following corporate law.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.07.09 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tarasina on 09/07/2010 02:05:48
Originally by: Dr Lebroi
Your summary is inaccurate.
*snipped a few lines*
CCP has to chase the dollar because thousand of people within the game are not paying to play it as they cheat the system to generate isk.
How many 0.0 alliances now systematically use python injection to modify the client to keep pace with all the others who are at it? They donÆt pay to play Eve and appear to be largely un- policed.
How many people use Bots? They donÆt pay to play Eve and appear to be largely un-stoppable.
If you were CCP, would you want to fix lag for these people? They cheat the game so they donÆt have to pay for it.
The massive greed of players who have sought to exploit the game for their own ends has meant that their opinions now count for nothing. On the other hand, a day old noob is the guy that all the content is being developed for because his monthly subscription pays the wages.
New players bring in dollars without any pre-conceptions about the current state of the game. New players are attracted by marketing, marketing in turn must have a shiney to market so CCP are forced to regularly build said shiney to attract new players.
Maintaining/optimizing/upgrading a former shiney is not marketing news. In 6 months time CCP wonÆt be launching a huge campaign for new players on the basis of:-
æLook we cured the lag beast in a game youÆve never played before!Æ
æYou know that sim city thing on planets? WeÆve made it work better!Æ
æHey, we know you donÆt know what rockets are, but we fixed em!Æ
Hence Dust, hence Incarna.
Playing the game by purchasing PLEX DOES bring CCP the cash, regardless. Every penny of it. If you pay with creditcard or PLEX, it doesn't matter to CCP.
But I have to agree with you on the last part, the new stuff. New players don't care for old bugs, simply because they don't know about them unless...they are gamebreaking, say makes the game crash, constantly.
Which, it seems, fleet fights seem to do. But new players aren't involved in those right off the bat.
I don't know about you but I research my MMOS before buying the game. Tech support forum and general forum is the first place I go to in any MMO before purchase. After that gameplay.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.07.09 03:17:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Tarasina
Playing the game by purchasing PLEX DOES bring CCP the cash, regardless. Every penny of it. If you pay with creditcard or PLEX, it doesn't matter to CCP.
This is a common miss-conception.
Yes all PLEX comes from real world spent money so CCP is not "losing isk" to PLEX.
What people fail to appreciate is that as older players switch to PLEX and newer players are the major buyers of PLEX this creates a situation where CCP has to chase new subscribers for cash-flow.
At the expense of having a game worth playing.....
This is likely the reason all the expansions are pure hype for WoW kids and we have gone so long without fixes.
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Hon Dao
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Posted - 2010.07.09 04:20:00 -
[426]
Edited by: Hon Dao on 09/07/2010 04:23:30
Which leads into the question, would CCP be more willing to put money into fixing long term bugs, and less into flashy but largely unwanted expansions, if the long term customers were willing to either go back to paying subscriptions, or at least have the price point of PLEXs artificailly shifted, so that CCP weren't so reliant on new customers buying them?
If you're not actually paying towards the running of a game, then why should you have any say in how it should be run?
This of course this makes the CSM even more laughable, and most likely irrelevant in the eyes of CCP, as they represent mainly these non-paying users instead of the new players who do pay.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Hell's Librarians
Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2010.07.09 04:34:00 -
[427]
At some point, based on the actual incident as well as the drama it's created, CCP has to decide whether the CSM brings more benefit vs liability.
Looking more and more like it's just too much hassle with so little return.
KB
=vinur allra manna
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Zenst
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.09 04:49:00 -
[428]
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Originally by: Tarasina
Playing the game by purchasing PLEX DOES bring CCP the cash, regardless. Every penny of it. If you pay with creditcard or PLEX, it doesn't matter to CCP.
This is a common miss-conception.
Yes all PLEX comes from real world spent money so CCP is not "losing isk" to PLEX.
What people fail to appreciate is that as older players switch to PLEX and newer players are the major buyers of PLEX this creates a situation where CCP has to chase new subscribers for cash-flow.
At the expense of having a game worth playing.....
This is likely the reason all the expansions are pure hype for WoW kids and we have gone so long without fixes.
The only misconception is your own.
PLEX are the product of GTC's or brought from CCP, these costs real life money. Iraspective if you pay for the game via subscription or PLEX; CCP still gets payed in real money. Now the more newer players the odds are they will by extra GTC's to sell and that makes PLEX's cheaper, PLEX's can only get into the game one way, and thats from real money.
I hope that explains it, if not have a good think about it, do some research and get back to us on the forums here. Remember, if nobody sold PLEX's then there would be none available to buy ingame and the only way to get them ingame is to pay CCP either directly or via one of there agents to obtain a GTC. CCP get payed no matter what, dont you worry about that.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.07.09 05:10:00 -
[429]
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 09/07/2010 05:12:34
Originally by: Zenst
Remember, if nobody sold PLEX's then there would be none available to buy ingame and the only way to get them ingame is to pay CCP either directly or via one of there agents to obtain a GTC.
Yes PLEX is a supply and demand market, amazing observation.
Supply comes mostly from new subscribers.
Demand comes mostly from old subscribers.
See?
CCP has control over supply also with the PLEX monthly limited quota.
Without the internal numbers it's impossible to say, my speculation is that most PLEX purchasers are
new subscribers and thus CCP is aware that these new subscribers are key to their cash-flow.
If new users dried up, then PLEX may dry up, then you'd see exactly what you're talking about.
This would force the old users to buy their subscriptions or pay an ever increasing price from traders.
Until this point the cash-flow comes from new users regardless of who is spending the PLEX.
However with CCP chasing new subscribers exclusively with each expansion you won't see this, as you've observed.
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Zenst
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.09 05:45:00 -
[430]
Edited by: Zenst on 09/07/2010 05:49:24
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 09/07/2010 05:12:34
Originally by: Zenst
Remember, if nobody sold PLEX's then there would be none available to buy ingame and the only way to get them ingame is to pay CCP either directly or via one of there agents to obtain a GTC.
Yes PLEX is a supply and demand market, amazing observation.
Supply comes mostly from new subscribers.
Demand comes mostly from old subscribers.
See?
CCP has control over supply also with the PLEX monthly limited quota.
Without the internal numbers it's impossible to say, my speculation is that most PLEX purchasers are
new subscribers and thus CCP is aware that these new subscribers are key to their cash-flow.
If new users dried up, then PLEX may dry up, then you'd see exactly what you're talking about.
This would force the old users to buy their subscriptions or pay an ever increasing price from traders.
Until this point the cash-flow comes from new users regardless of who is spending the PLEX.
However with CCP chasing new subscribers exclusively with each expansion you won't see this, as you've observed.
FYI I doubt CCP deliberatly control the price of PLEX as an intention, its mearly a side effect of them selling there product to new customers.
I think we shall leave it there as were tangenting way to much for me to carry on this discussion and its late. But ask yourself, what point your tring to make and does it realy matter and if so, perhaps start a thread related to that issue were it would be more appropriatly discussed by the mass's.
Now sing after me "ding dong the witch is dead".
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Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 06:37:00 -
[431]
Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 09/07/2010 06:38:13
This is my favorite thread ever! Personal attack removed.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.07.09 07:00:00 -
[432]
Okay first off from a legal standpoint they probably can't discuss the matter further or exactly mention what event broke the NDA. European laws in general are much more strict than American law on matters of privacy.
Why they don't just come out and say that and stop the speculation I don't know. The initial statement probably should have included a statement about due to counsel from our legal department we can make no other comment.
On the matter of the CSM, basically waste of time. Just like SWG Senate was pre NGE and pre CU. In truth development companies do whatever they want regardless of input from players. It is just a touchy feely process meant to make you feel good. Such a representation is not sufficiently large enough to base any major game decisions on. Lets just hope that CCP is not being like SOE and going to focus groups that never played the game so that they wreck it down the line.
The ones that really want to go and do it are probably not the best representatives, much like politicians typically don't represent their constituents adequately. It takes a certain amount of narcissism to desire such positions, which often is at odds with the common man.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.09 07:10:00 -
[433]
Originally by: El'Niaga
Why they don't just come out and say that and stop the speculation I don't know.
Okay, now go back and read the first line in your own (and same) post:
Originally by: El'Niaga
Okay first off from a legal standpoint they probably can't discuss the matter further or exactly mention what event broke the NDA.
You have essentially answered your own question.
Also, it is a little bit over a day now since the news broke. Perhaps the people directly involved are still discussing things at the glacial pace that is Real Life.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.09 07:27:00 -
[434]
in the same way ppl dont believe official communicate from China, Cuba, N korea, Iran etc ppl wont believe CCP because there is no proof
remember when N korea said they got fusion ppl asked fro proof and there was none they only said is secret, same thing here guess who is the clown in this story now |
Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2010.07.09 07:50:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Dr Lebroi
The question remains, will CCP fix the under lying problems or won't they?
Yes, the question is how and when. It's a matter of prioritization, we're competing for scarce resources. What I described is that we've made progress in getting an equal/better footing in competing for them.
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I can't really see how the CSM saying to the player base:-
'We know but we CAN'T tell you.Æ
is any better than CCP saying to the player base:-
'We know but we WON'T tell you.'
The difference is that nobody currently sitting on the CSM have been fanbois.
We all love the game, but most of us have been vocal critics of CCP, both on the forums and during face to face meetings.
As such, if you don't trust CCP, you have however every reason to believe us.
So there's things we can't say. But we can say what we think about it, to CCP and to you.
Exemple 1: Vuk Lau and I bashed the GMs during CSM 3 pretty hard about competence, consistency, fight against macroers, etc. (check the minutes) If these same people tell you now that the data we have shows conclusively that there has been a huge improvement and we're happy with what we see on all those fronts, you have every reason to believe us.
Exemple 2: We can't tell you what the next expansion is going to be about. We can tell you we think it has the potential of being awesome, we can also tell you we don't think that is where resources should have been focused.
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but why involve player representatives in the development secrets of the company if these very representatives have no real ability to influence the product development policy?
ItÆs like a man who makes fireworks telling his children where he keeps the matches.
If the player representatives do have the ability to influence product development policy then why are CCP not getting the message? Fix what we have already (a brilliant but flawed game) before you make anything new.
We have the ability to influence the development policy, to an extent.
It's always a balancing act, I can understand that CCP's objective may lean more towards getting new players than the existing players care about.
CCP understands that if we're unhappy about the game, we don't stay to play it.
We're there to talk about where the middle ground should be and what those things are that we care about when talking of improving the game as it is.
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How many people use Bots? They donÆt pay to play Eve and appear to be largely un-stoppable.
If you were CCP, would you want to fix lag for these people? They cheat the game so they donÆt have to pay for it.
They are, report them, GMs ban them regularly, whether they are connected to RMT or not. We've advised the GMs to make their efforts known, and they're doing so regularly (to quote a big report: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687)
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New players bring in dollars without any pre-conceptions about the current state of the game. New players are attracted by marketing, marketing in turn must have a shiney to market so CCP are forced to regularly build said shiney to attract new players.
Maintaining/optimizing/upgrading a former shiney is not marketing news.
Hence Dust, hence Incarna.
I'm not a big fan of new and shiny, I campaigned on that, I've told CCP that.
It's always a balancing act, as I said before. CCP needs more players (and to be fair, so do we, in the long run), and they also want to keep those players and us. Our position has been that the balance is a more towards new than towards old.
I'm definitely in agreement with you here. The way I see it there's 2 options, complaining about it on the forums (which we all do), and talking about it constructively with CCP, which we do as well through the CSM. We can't coerce CCP to do anything, but they've shown in the past that they listen, and not only that, but they're giving us the tools to constructively influence the development.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.07.09 07:57:00 -
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it never ceases to amaze me how many idiots play this game.
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CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.07.09 08:02:00 -
[437]
Edited by: Ban Doga on 09/07/2010 08:02:25
Originally by: Cobalt Sixty
Originally by: El'Niaga
Why they don't just come out and say that and stop the speculation I don't know.
Okay, now go back and read the first line in your own (and same) post:
Originally by: El'Niaga
Okay first off from a legal standpoint they probably can't discuss the matter further or exactly mention what event broke the NDA.
You have essentially answered your own question.
Also, it is a little bit over a day now since the news broke. Perhaps the people directly involved are still discussing things at the glacial pace that is Real Life.
Count to ten and calm down.
No need to attack every posting you don't understand immediately.
The requested behavior was to say "For legal reasons we cannot discuss exactly which event caused a breach of the agreed NDA" not to deliver a detailed report on what happened.
It's about saying that something will not happen instead of just not letting it happen.
People have it easier when they know "why" something is the way it is.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.07.09 08:10:00 -
[438]
Edited by: Ban Doga on 09/07/2010 08:12:08
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
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I can't really see how the CSM saying to the player base:-
'We know but we CAN'T tell you.Æ
is any better than CCP saying to the player base:-
'We know but we WON'T tell you.'
The difference is that nobody currently sitting on the CSM have been fanbois.
We all love the game, but most of us have been vocal critics of CCP, both on the forums and during face to face meetings.
As such, if you don't trust CCP, you have however every reason to believe us.
I think that's a bit short-sighted.
What reason is there to trust you?
Just because you did not agree with everything CCP did/does?
We know CSM members were selling their influence for PLEX, using insider knowledge to profit personally, violate NDAs.
Is that the basis on which we should unconditionally trust the CSM?
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
So there's things we can't say. But we can say what we think about it, to CCP and to you.
Exemple 1: Vuk Lau and I bashed the GMs during CSM 3 pretty hard about competence, consistency, fight against macroers, etc. (check the minutes) If these same people tell you now that the data we have shows conclusively that there has been a huge improvement and we're happy with what we see on all those fronts, you have every reason to believe us.
Exemple 2: We can't tell you what the next expansion is going to be about. We can tell you we think it has the potential of being awesome, we can also tell you we don't think that is where resources should have been focused.
But how is that different from the messages we get from CCP directly?
They always say the next expansion is going to be awesome.
They always say things are improving in the long run.
And the idea that resources should be put somewhere else is the whole point of the whole "Commit to Excellence" thread in the assembly hall. The number of supporters speaks volumes.
So really: which additional information does this provide?
*EDIT* fixed some failed quoting
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Tyrophant
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Posted - 2010.07.09 08:14:00 -
[439]
Good riddance, Ankahasapeemapetilon. I hope CCP chooses to pursue legal action against you as fervently as you wanted to punish people in internet spaceships.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.09 08:30:00 -
[440]
Violation of the NDA can be anything from a small indiscretion to a fellow EVE player about some coming feature to full blown industrial espionage. The farther it goes to the latter, the less likely we are going to get any more accurate information on it, at least until it got wrapped up and dealt with, if ever. We may read about it in the news, if it's big enough, albeit that is unlikely.
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Xutech
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Posted - 2010.07.09 09:42:00 -
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I wonder if the trouble she has gotten into might have something to do with the content of her portfolio?
If you recall, there was an advert during the Pvp tournament calling for more women to apply for a job at CCP.
Perhaps she overshared information (thats never happened before) from her current employer to her prospective new employer.
It would certainly explain why she was dropped so quickly, and why it would be in CCP's best interests to avoid looking connected to her, and to avoid public knowledge of what she has done.
Really, it would mean that anything that comes out in the future that hints at possible plagiarism would be grounds for a court case.
I could be wrong though.
Then again, she went so far as to consider a position on the CSM as defacto working for CCP.
Is if so hard to imagine that she wanted to bring her A game to a job interview?
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Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
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Posted - 2010.07.09 09:59:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Hagen Guralman
Personally, I think Ankhesentapemkah was removed from the CSM because no one could pronounce her name.
Ang kah sen tah pem kah
Easy :)
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Madner Kami
Gallente
Durendal Ascending
Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2010.07.09 10:21:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Dr Lebroi
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CCP has to chase the dollar because thousand of people within the game are not paying to play it as they cheat the system to generate isk.
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Nobody can "cheat the system" and "play for free". Each and any PLEX-license was paid with real and existing money at some point. It doesn't matter the slightest, if people "generate ISK from nothing", because they can only use these ISKs to buy PLEX-licenses which were bought from CCP at some point.
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.09 11:11:00 -
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Thats funny CSM has no fanbois err you do know Ank was the only one not elected by block voters right?
Trusting people put in buy macro ratting 0.0 alliances which always claim theres no macro ratting in 0.0 Is probably the best joke i have heard this year.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.09 11:18:00 -
[445]
Originally by: Shakon
Thats funny CSM has no fanbois err you do know Ank was the only one not elected by block voters right?
Trusting people put in buy macro ratting 0.0 alliances which always claim theres no macro ratting in 0.0 Is probably the best joke i have heard this year.
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Posted - 2010.07.09 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shakon
Thats funny CSM has no fanbois err you do know Ank was the only one not elected by block voters right?
Trusting people put in buy macro ratting 0.0 alliances which always claim theres no macro ratting in 0.0 Is probably the best joke i have heard this year.
Funny that people claim only candidates with block vote support will get into CSM but decline to provide any evidence. Every round of elections people claim the large 0.0 alliances will take over the CSM and it still hasn't happened.
Within CSM5, Vuk and Sok are the only two full delegates who represent large alliance blocks. Additionally look at the large alliances who failed to get any candidates into even the alternates.
Many of us come from smaller corps or alliances and picked up votes based on our reputation and policies not some 0.0 block voter conspiracy. Sure people like Mynxee (strong supporter of lowsec and piracy), Korvin (Russian speaking) and Deirdra (eve-uni are well respected plus he was chair of CSM3) have large numbers of supporters, but they are certainly not put there by 0.0 macro ratting alliances.
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.09 11:39:00 -
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Actually all you had to do was read CSM results and the posts leading up to it to see that Tea.
As i have 2 alts in null alliances even the ones that TRY and stop macro ratting its still happening.
Sorry your not from a small corp or alliance a small corp is 10 people and under.
But i will admit this so far your the only one i have seen posting common sense. To bad rest of the CSM except Korvin (who i dont know and have seen little of so have no clue) do not share your ability. Sad part is first couple I voted got friends out to vote then we realized it was all a joke and it got worse instead of better.
Most are like Max or Sok. They post so much BS its like watching Jerry Springer
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.09 11:48:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Shakon
Actually all you had to do was read CSM results and the posts leading up to it to see that Tea.
You still have not provided any evidence, and in fact I have debunked your claims to block voting several times already, but don't let that stop you.
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Tolis Irithel
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.09 12:24:00 -
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My only comment would be this. As the CSM are representatives of the EVE player base, and a significant portion of (at least those who are posting here) are interested in getting more information, it's quite baffling to me that I can't really see any effort from any of you to reflect that desire, and at least enquire about whether more information can be released.
Yeah, I know most of us didn't really like Ankh, and there's more people happy with the outcome than aren't. But, the whole "CSM being nothing but a CCP mouthpiece/distraction/PR stunt" issue would be quite easily put to bed by something as simple as publicly calling for more info. So far, the response seems to be "Good thing, done by slightly obfuscated method...ah, we'll live with it however it was done." I sort of think that's you guys failing at your 'duty'. |
Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2010.07.09 12:26:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Shakon
Actually all you had to do was read CSM results and the posts leading up to it to see that Tea.
As i have 2 alts in null alliances even the ones that TRY and stop macro ratting its still happening.
Report them, we have evidence that the GMs do take actions against those. It may take some time to investigate where their money goes so CCP can kill the money distributors instead of playing whack-a-mole with money generators, but they get dealt with.
Also, the argument that the CSM is controlled by large 0.0 entities is demonstrably false.
A number of candidates from smaller corps/alliances have made it through and a number of people running under the banner of large alliances have failed to get in.
Among the alliances who failed to get in, I'll name:
Systematic Chaos, goonswarm (under its new name), BoB (well, IT), xDeathx, Legiunea ROmana, RAZOR, Cult of War, Intrepid Crossing, Voltron, etc.
Who got in in their place?
Trebor from Initiative Mercenaries, Dierdra Vaal from Eve-Uni, Ubercarebear Ankhe, Teadaze from Agony, me from RnK, Mynxee from NOIR.. That's just for this election... Same thing happened during the previous ones.
Either way, it's up to people who vote to elect who gets in. If people can't be bothered to vote, it stands to reason that the people who do vote get elected.
Originally by: Shakon
Sorry your not from a small corp or alliance a small corp is 10 people and under.
Well, if he's not, I am... I got elected in CSM 2 (alt) and 3 (main) while being in a 4 member carebear corp. I joined RnK which is not in 0.0 and cannot be considered a big alliance and got in CSM 4 (alt) and 5 (main) as well. That enough of an exemple to you?
Originally by: Shakon
But i will admit this so far your the only one i have seen posting common sense. To bad rest of the CSM except Korvin (who i dont know and have seen little of so have no clue) do not share your ability. Sad part is first couple I voted got friends out to vote then we realized it was all a joke and it got worse instead of better.
Most are like Max or Sok. They post so much BS its like watching Jerry Springer
What you mean is that we don't share your point of view and have the balls to sometimes have a critical opinion about things?
It's getting a bit tiresome the general bashing attitude on the forums. I understand that the humain brain is limited to easily being able to pick between 2 choices, but life is not as black and white, and there's arguments for and against everything, even when you generally think it's more white than black or the other way around.
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