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Ivon Strom Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:29:00 - [511] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Ivon Strom No, but the thought of Plexs having a 100% chance to drop is nice to dream about :P And here kids is the real motivation for introducing indesctuctable plex. So then what happens when the can they are in gets popped? Another can magically appears? Perhaps they should automatically go into the hangar of the person that lays the final blow? Already stated that they couldn't be placed into Containers of any type (Station, Secure, Jets, etc). ....mmm....22billion; I could buy a lot of Prostitutes and Quafe with that
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:41:00 - [512] Originally by: Culmen CCP has always had a system where you could make a PLEX worthless, Right Click -> Trash It. ... But I'm not going to be ****ed if someone right click->trashed a stack of PLEXs. Like wise, if he was dumb enough to undock a defenseless ship with war-targets in system. Trashing it yourself is completely different from if someone else trashes it or takes it away from you. If you deliberately and in full consciousness destroy your assets, you are free to do so. If someone else takes it from you without your consent, it's theft. If he takes it by deception, it's fraud. If he takes it with violence, it's robbery and so on. You can't treat trashing and theft/fraud/robbery likewise even if the result for you is the same.
uNtOldPAIN Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:42:00 - [513] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Originally by: Culmen CCP has always had a system where you could make a PLEX worthless, Right Click -> Trash It. ... But I'm not going to be ****ed if someone right click->trashed a stack of PLEXs. Like wise, if he was dumb enough to undock a defenseless ship with war-targets in system. Trashing it yourself is completely different from if someone else trashes it or takes it away from you. If you deliberately and in full consciousness destroy your assets, you are free to do so. If someone else takes it from you without your consent, it's theft. If he takes it by deception, it's fraud. If he takes it with violence, it's robbery and so on. You can't treat trashing and theft/fraud/robbery likewise even if the result for you is the same. theft/fraud/robbery is allowed in this game... NEXT!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:44:00 - [514] Originally by: Ivon Strom Already stated that they couldn't be placed into Containers of any type (Station, Secure, Jets, etc). So then if PLEXes are movable and the ship gets popped where do they go? Last time I checked a ship left behind a can if any items it had dropped. So I'll ask again... What would happen to the can if it was popped to keep people from looting the wreck?
ShadowandLight Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:46:00 - [515] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Ivon Strom Already stated that they couldn't be placed into Containers of any type (Station, Secure, Jets, etc). So then if PLEXes are movable and the ship gets popped where do they go? Last time I checked a ship left behind a can if any items it had dropped. So I'll ask again... What would happen to the can if it was popped to keep people from looting the wreck? CCP has a chance formula that rolls the dice to see if an item is dropped or not. Since this was one large stack of plexs, either they all drop or none do. ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1 Hoist the Colors!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:49:00 - [516] Originally by: ShadowandLight CCP has a chance formula that rolls the dice to see if an item is dropped or not. Since this was one large stack of plexs, either they all drop or none do. My question was in regards to PLEX being indestructable. If they were indestructable and the can from a blown up ship was popped, what happens to them? Would the can magically respawn? Would it magically appear in some distant hangar? This is why indestructable items couldn't be ingame.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:52:00 - [517] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Trashing it yourself is completely different from if someone else trashes it or takes it away from you. If you deliberately and in full consciousness destroy your assets, you are free to do so. If you deliberately and in full conciousness put your assets into a ship that can be destroyed, you are free to do so. Quote: If someone else takes it from you without your consent, You consented when you undocked. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ivon Strom Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:57:00 - [518] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Ivon Strom Already stated that they couldn't be placed into Containers of any type (Station, Secure, Jets, etc). So then if PLEXes are movable and the ship gets popped where do they go? Last time I checked a ship left behind a can if any items it had dropped. So I'll ask again... What would happen to the can if it was popped to keep people from looting the wreck? Well I of course the exception would be the loot-cans dropped by destroyed ships. But once removed they couldn't be put back in. So I guess the catch-all would be players couldn't put them into cans (but the game could).
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:58:00 - [519] Originally by: Ivon Strom Well I of course the exception would be the loot-cans dropped by destroyed ships. But once removed they couldn't be put back in. So I guess the catch-all would be players couldn't put them into cans (but the game could). What happens to the PLEXes when that can is targeted and blown up?
uNtOldPAIN Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:04:00 - [520] Edited by: uNtOldPAIN on 09/08/2010 18:04:01 Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Ivon Strom Well I of course the exception would be the loot-cans dropped by destroyed ships. But once removed they couldn't be put back in. So I guess the catch-all would be players couldn't put them into cans (but the game could). What happens to the PLEXes when that can is targeted and blown up? Depends. Did you undock for the station with them in your cargo hold? Ill stop there and let you figure it out.

Ivon Strom Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:12:00 - [521] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Ivon Strom Well I of course the exception would be the loot-cans dropped by destroyed ships. But once removed they couldn't be put back in. So I guess the catch-all would be players couldn't put them into cans (but the game could). What happens to the PLEXes when that can is targeted and blown up? Okay...Plexs could go into a separate loot-can that doesn't allow you to attack it, think targeting a Planet; you don't have the option to attack it.
Sadian	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:13:00 - [522] It would have been a better story if it had been a newbie frigate. How much rl money/time is lost when a Titan goes down? Sad
IDieAlotInGateCamps	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:14:00 - [523] tinfoil hat warning So I've got a question. What's keeping, let's say, a CCP dev/gm alt from actually "buying" said Plex(s) and accidentally it/them? Wouldn't CCP in practice destroying the item that allows access to service they were paid to deliver, thus, making a profit? tinfoil hat warning: all clear
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:15:00 - [524] Edited by: Breaker77 on 09/08/2010 18:16:47 Originally by: Ivon Strom Okay...Plexs could go into a separate loot-can that doesn't allow you to attack it, think targeting a Planet; you don't have the option to attack it. Something else to introduce new bugs Originally by: Sadian How much rl money/time is lost when a Titan goes down? 3 times that for the hull, plus fittings. Originally by: IDieAlotInGateCamps What's keeping, let's say, a CCP dev/gm alt from actually "buying" said Plex(s) and accidentally it/them? Massive influx of ISK into the game which would cause inflation as ISK is worth less. Prices would increase on everything if enough of them were removed this way.
Cinster	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:21:00 - [525] people in eve lose stuff everyday for the stupidest of reasons and somebody will profit from it. If you are stupid enough to undock with PLEX in your cargohold then you deserve what's coming. There is absolutly no reason why you should have to undock with a plex in your cargohold.
Zief	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:22:00 - [526] Probably this has been discussed in the previous pages but I'll toss in my two cents anyway... No matter how many people play eve for "free" by buying a plex in game CCP's profits remain unchanged right? Every plex in the game has to be paid for by real dollars from someone so it's no skin of their nose. Eve supposedly has over 300,000 subscribers, at $15 a pop thats $4.5 million a month. Does anyone REALLY thing that the cost of 75 PLEXs, about $1100 is a big deal to them? No doubt they thought about it, but I'd guess that it's more of a way to siphon isk out of the market to fight in game inflation.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:24:00 - [527] Originally by: Zief No doubt they thought about it, but I'd guess that it's more of a way to siphon isk out of the market to fight in game inflation. You do know that when you buy a PLEX the ISK goes to another player and stays in the game right? It doesn't go to CCP and get removed like office rentals or CSPA charges.
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:26:00 - [528] Seems a little unfair. However if they're doing this can they please eliminate gatebombing in low sec.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:29:00 - [529] Originally by: IDieAlotInGateCamps tinfoil hat warning So I've got a question. What's keeping, let's say, a CCP dev/gm alt from actually "buying" said Plex(s) and accidentally it/them? Wouldn't CCP in practice destroying the item that allows access to service they were paid to deliver, thus, making a profit? tinfoil hat warning: all clear Wont happen for a few reasons. First, CCP already makes a profit no matter what happens and there would be a severe backlash, if they got caught meddling in these things. They are already in a good position and have little to gain by getting involved. Second, there is an infinite supply of stupidity available in the world, as this thread has once again proven. There really is no need for CCP to do anything extra, since the players in their infinite stupidity will do all the dirty work for them and the killers will both enjoy it and froth at the mouth for even at the opportunity to do so.
Ivon Strom Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:31:00 - [530] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Zief No doubt they thought about it, but I'd guess that it's more of a way to siphon isk out of the market to fight in game inflation. You do know that when you buy a PLEX the ISK goes to another player and stays in the game right? It doesn't go to CCP and get removed like office rentals or CSPA charges. There's the tax.

uNtOldPAIN Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:51:00 - [531] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Zief No doubt they thought about it, but I'd guess that it's more of a way to siphon isk out of the market to fight in game inflation. You do know that when you buy a PLEX the ISK goes to another player and stays in the game right? It doesn't go to CCP and get removed like office rentals or CSPA charges. It gets used up one way or another. In this case. It got used really quick.
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:40:00 - [532] Edited by: Urgg Boolean on 09/08/2010 19:43:35 I read much (not all) of the dialog in this thread, but I did not see any reference to the term "conflict of interest". CCP has created a conflict of interest by allowing PLEX to be shuttled in-game. This is real money we are talking about, not in-game resource earned via game play, and they have created a game mechanic to destroy an item acquired via a real money transaction. They can now sell game time without having to deliver some percentage of the time. Like it or not, we got movable PLEX. So with this conflict of interest present in the game, you'd have to have haggis for brains if you undock with PLEX in your cargo bay ... P.S. This is exactly the kind of issue that Americans sue over.
Illwill Bill Raven Dynasty Reloaded LLC	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:01:00 - [533] Originally by: Urgg Boolean P.S. This is exactly the kind of issue that Americans sue over. Good thing CCP ain't American.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:02:00 - [534] Originally by: Illwill Bill Originally by: Urgg Boolean P.S. This is exactly the kind of issue that Americans sue over. Good thing CCP ain't American. But they have an office in the US, so they have to conform to the law here. Which I'm willing to bet they consulted with various lawyers before making it so that idiots could lose 74 of them at once.
Alexandria Ekibe Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:26:00 - [535] I know that I'm very new to the game, but even I wouldn't leave with PLEX in my inventory. I've personally purchased 60-day GTC and converted it to plex, I sold one for some startup ISK and am keeping the other until I need to apply it to my game time. That said, I am not yelling at CCP that the ship I bought with plex blew up. Why would I? Everyone in this game is told pretty much from day 1, don't fly in or with anything you can't afford to replace. This is no different.
Sneaky Neko Caldari Deep Space Ventures Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:39:00 - [536] Edited by: Sneaky Neko on 09/08/2010 20:39:39 If you enjoy playing EVE then why are you complaining about CCP getting a bit of extra money that they can use to further improve the game that we're all here to play. The money was handed over fare and square, it's not CCP's fault that some people don't have 2 brain cells to rub together. If you don't enjoy playing eve then why are you here? Go play something else.
Galacticaboom Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:42:00 - [537] Edited by: Galacticaboom on 09/08/2010 20:44:01 Edited by: Galacticaboom on 09/08/2010 20:42:26 http://mofo.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7309710 Again CCP finds yet another way to screw over its players, GREAT JOB keep screwing us over and see how much more hostile the player base gets. No sane person would do this, and pretty sure ccp is behind this. No one is THAT stupid to leave with that many plexs. I mean Seriously NONE of these dropped THATS TOTAL BS and everyone should be screaming about this.
stevieisbest Caldari Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:49:00 - [538] Hopefully all that extra cash CCP just pulled in this month goes towards fixing the fleet fight lag.
Raquel Trotter Trotters Independent Trading	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:03:00 - [539] Edited by: Raquel Trotter on 09/08/2010 21:03:56 The massively article on this just got slashdotted.. The comments make pretty funny reading : http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/08/09/197219/EVE-Player-Loses-1200-Worth-of-Game-Time-In-Game
King Aires Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:14:00 - [540] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: King Aires What I said is the simple problem we have here, CCP unilaterally setting up a system of making items worthless. If by "unilaterally" you mean "only by player choice", then yes. Quote: There was no good reason to make PLEX destroyable other than profit. So why didn't you complain about it when PLEXes were introduced? Yeah I did complain about it when the idea was introduced, I have just decided to man up and use my main this time. I do not think PLEX should be in the game at all, there was nothing at all wrong with the GTC trading forum, nothing wrong with the way GTC runs. But if CCP insists on having PLEX then it should be a non-destructible item simply due to the conflict of interest. There is a foul fish smell when one thinks about the hundreds of PLEX that will end up popped, the gut feeling is this is no good. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.



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