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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Mia Sin
Nobody would care if the PLEX were used to buy ships and those have blown up. Why do you care about PLEX being blown up? There is no difference whatsoever.
If a PLEX is used to buy ships, another player bought it, probably with the intention of converting it to game time.
And the original owner most likely sold the PLEX with the intention of getting ISK.
Very few players would intentionally buy a PLEX with the sole purpose of destroying it.
The last option isn't even a technical necessity, its only there because CCP designed for it.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:32:00 -
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CCP stol... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA  OH GOD CAN'T STOP LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Oh man, what makes this even more hilarious is that from their killboard comments it appears to have been the entire alliance wallet and their sov fund.
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Apollo Gabriel
Domini Lex Talionis
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:36:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
CCP stol... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA OH GOD CAN'T STOP LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Oh man, what makes this even more hilarious is that from their killboard comments it appears to have been the entire alliance wallet and their sov fund.
-Liang
No sympathy for the pilot or alliance here. CCP getting out of 74 months of service is what irks me.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:45:00 -
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It depends how he bought the plex. If with ISK, the PLEX was honored already: the original user got his ISK for them. Only if he bought them with cash and was going to sell them would he have a claim, but chances are he'd be chargebacking CCP for them as we speak, and it would be a toss-up whether the rationales people give on forum would be seen the same way by a CC company.
With ISK though it's just like buying a ship, they aren't obligated to provide the goods if they get destroyed. CCP wins, original seller wins, buyer loses.
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Isten Baba
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Posted - 2010.08.08 19:05:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Oh man, what makes this even more hilarious is that from their killboard comments it appears to have been the entire alliance wallet and their sov fund.
-Liang
Sorry, I'm a bit of a noob: could someone post a link to that forum? I can't seem to find it, but would love to read those reactions...
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 19:09:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Isten Baba
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Oh man, what makes this even more hilarious is that from their killboard comments it appears to have been the entire alliance wallet and their sov fund.
-Liang
Sorry, I'm a bit of a noob: could someone post a link to that forum? I can't seem to find it, but would love to read those reactions...
http://www.smalliance.com/killboards/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2847
http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1539031
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Isten Baba
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Posted - 2010.08.08 19:20:00 -
[277]
Thanks a lot! (It's a fun read!)
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MILK Monk
Knights of the Silver Dawn
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 19:23:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Originally by: CCP Incognito
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Would have been a nice drop, too bad that CCP set the drop chance for that item to ABSOLUTELY ZERO
I would like to nip this in the but, PLEX drop just like any other cargo using exactly the same rules. If the PLEX are in a can and the can doesn't drop as loot then everything in the can doesn't drop as loot.
In this case it was one role of the die and the can didn't drop, so bye bye all the contents.
well thank you for posting, but the fact that your company isn't bothered by this "destruction of over $1000 really bothers me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRlrFudaEs8
we all love to see lots of "real" money destroyed. You can see even bigger "isk sink" in link above. I linked this one because I like the emotions in it :)
Anyway you totally miss the point when you emo-rage over the ammount "real money" destroyed. The problem is not in the ammount destroyed, the problem is in effort needed to destroy such ammount.
In one case it was huge effort on one side, and probably little ammount of stupidity on the other.
In our latest example, it was huge ammount of stupidity vs. relativelly low ammount of effort needed.
You should stop crying for the fact that devs allowed popssibility of huge loss caused by big ammount of stupidity.
I personally find it hilarious, and I actually try to play for good guys in EvE :)
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Vlayde Riser
Amarr
Vlayde-Tek
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:29:00 -
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This is a joke right? Over 1000$ inside a t1 frigate piloted by an alliance leader, and he decides to undock it in Jita?
How does someone with such poor common-sense manage to even lead an alliance? If it were me, I would've ordered every alliance member to hop in a logistics and to stick on my ass until all of those plexes were safe.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:38:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Vlayde Riser
How does someone with such poor common-sense manage to even lead an alliance?
You seem to be labouring under the pretense that most alliance leaders actually have common sense. Endless greed and no morals certainly along with a decent amount of intelligence and charisma but common sense?
*looks back at all the outright threats made against ccp's sov 2.0 by said alliance leaders stating that they would do anything in their power to make sure sov 2.0 failed horribly*
Ohhhh boy..
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Aera Aiana
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:47:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
Very few players would intentionally buy a PLEX with the sole purpose of destroying it.
Very few players would intentionally buy a ship with the sole purpose of destroying it.
Yet, it happens every day at a lowsec gate near you.
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
The last option isn't even a technical necessity, its only there because CCP designed for it.
So? All they did is stop making exceptions for one item. Actually, they still make one exception: You can still use a PLEX from anywhere in the galaxy, so it's really up to a player's own judgement (or lack thereof) to undock and get shot down with an ungodly amount of PLEX in their cargohold.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:58:00 -
[282]
So..............
Why is everyone whining and hating?
Dumbass undocked with a wardec going on.
he put all the plexes in a can.
can didnt survive.
So whats the problem, no mechanics are broken, everything worked as intended.
BTW CCP GAVE EVERYONE FAIR WARNING THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN. THEY EVEN STATED TRANSPORT PLEX AT YOUR OWN RISK. So it there has been any problem with this, its that this guy didn't bother to listen to ccp or the fact he undocked with WT's in system.
You can't fix stupid ya know.
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Ayumi Fargazer
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:58:00 -
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all i can say is that undocking PLEXes in something smaller then a tanked cloaky T3 is ******ed and that anyone doing so in an untanked(!) T1(!!) FRIGATTE(!!!) during an empire war(!!!!) deserves whatever happens next... its not rocket science really to realize that doing this was a bad idea
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:15:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Isten Baba
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Oh man, what makes this even more hilarious is that from their killboard comments it appears to have been the entire alliance wallet and their sov fund.
-Liang
Sorry, I'm a bit of a noob: could someone post a link to that forum? I can't seem to find it, but would love to read those reactions...
http://www.smalliance.com/killboards/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2847
http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1539031
-Liang
o/ Liang.
I think I'm getting soft in my old age. I feel sort of sorry for the rest of those guys in that (presumably soon to be ex-) alliance.
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Cap II
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:37:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Ranger 1
It's not destroyable if you don't undock with it. There is absolutely no reason to undock with PLEXs in your cargo...especially that many of them. For all we know he could've done that to spark this very thread.
Sure, PLEX are generated from RL cash, but people shouldn't be stupid enough to undock with a bunch of them. 
Close, but not quite.
GTC's are generated from RL cash.
PLEX are generated from the conscious decision to turn that GTC into two game items that are destructible and have no RL value.
CCP, could you please make it so that we cannot undock. Otherwise we might get our pixels injured.
YOU MUST PROTECT US FROM OURSELVES. WE CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN BAD IN GAME DECISIONS
You are completely stupid if you actually believe this. Exchange rates are always a two way street regardless of whether or not the powers that be sanction it. Black markets are still markets and every single in game item has some sort of real world monetary value. This concept is called opportunity cost and you should look into it.
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Xtreem
Gallente
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:45:00 -
[286]
that is a pretty epic loss! if those had dropped on me id sub up for 2 years and sell the rest for excellent isk gains.. how was there no hate mail for that one!!!
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:49:00 -
[287]
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 08/08/2010 21:53:05
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Originally by: CCP Incognito
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Would have been a nice drop, too bad that CCP set the drop chance for that item to ABSOLUTELY ZERO
I would like to nip this in the but, PLEX drop just like any other cargo using exactly the same rules. If the PLEX are in a can and the can doesn't drop as loot then everything in the can doesn't drop as loot.
In this case it was one role of the die and the can didn't drop, so bye bye all the contents.
well thank you for posting, but the fact that your company isn't bothered by this "destruction of over $1000 really bothers me.
Captain fire torpedos, target his REAL wallet.
I was ok with movable plex as a concept, but this situation tells me to absolutely oppose it now. Real purchased game time should not be destroyable.
You post literally infuriates me. why is it ok to kill a space ship paid for with real world money, but not an in game item paid for with real world money? The only difference at all is you only have to convert a GTC once to make it a plex, twice to make it a space ship.
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o CCP, the same company that says "FU players, everything new, nothing fixed for 18 months" just got a nice bit of free cash? Sounds like a ****ing scam to me, and quite possibly something that could get them into legal trouble.
1. You are an idiot for misquoting CCP.
2. Its not even close to fraud. I explained this over and over. Why don't you go look up the legal definition of fraud and post it here and illustrate to us how CCP is in the wrong.
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
You post literally infuriates me. why is it ok to kill a space ship paid for with real world money, but not an in game item paid for with real world money? The only difference at all is you only have to convert a GTC once to make it a plex, twice to make it a space ship.
Because when you blow up a faction fit nightmare paid for with GTC's, somebody somewhere is still clicking "Apply PLEX as gametime" and getting gametime for rl money spent.
When you blow up the actual PLEX, this doesn't happen.
It's ok to not understand the concept, but don't be so arrogant as to be "infuriated" when it is you yourself that fails to see the important yet subtle distinction.
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Jaqel Broadside
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:44:00 -
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Actually I find this very, very, very wrong.
It may well be fun to the simple minded, a warped sense of humour and those with very poor understanding of consequences.
Basically CCP has devalued the worth of your money by allowing PLEX to be destroyed.
Actually I cant believe this is actually legal, money exchanging hands for a service and because of a game mechanic that service entitlement and commitment has been bypassed.
The original contract still stands and should be honoured to the best ability of CCP, not left to the four winds of chance.
Quite honestly I don't think this is legal at all.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:52:00 -
[290]
Edited by: Ressiv on 08/08/2010 22:52:23
Using my own post from different topic to reply here:
Originally by: Ressiv
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
CCP probably ecstatic that people can pay them 1K$ and then blow it all up. CCP doesn't have to provide service or anything in that exchange.
This is what bugs me about you people ... let me explain:
John Doe buys 74 PLEX' off the market. 74 people just got the service they wanted for that PLEX. They got the ISK they choose to convert the PLEX to.
John Doe is either going to sell them elsewhere for a markup, or using them for his own gametime. If he is going to use it for gametime, he can apply them whenever he wants, from wherever he is, as long as he keeps them in the first layer of his hangar. (not in a container or something, tho this is speculation on my part) He also got his 'service'.
If John Doe decides (look up the meaning of that word if you are confused about this issue) to try and make more ISK of them then he paid for them. John Doe just decided to use those PLEX' as trade commodity.
Now please give me ONE good reason, why this trade commodity should have a special status, while the service the original 'creator' of the PLEX is provided.
CCP didn't code it so that you can loose your PLEX if you dont decide to make it vulnerable by undocking it.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Doom Guard
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:55:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Ressiv
Edited by: Ressiv on 08/08/2010 22:52:23
Using my own post from different topic to reply here:
Originally by: Ressiv
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
CCP probably ecstatic that people can pay them 1K$ and then blow it all up. CCP doesn't have to provide service or anything in that exchange.
This is what bugs me about you people ... let me explain:
John Doe buys 74 PLEX' off the market. 74 people just got the service they wanted for that PLEX. They got the ISK they choose to convert the PLEX to.
John Doe is either going to sell them elsewhere for a markup, or using them for his own gametime. If he is going to use it for gametime, he can apply them whenever he wants, from wherever he is, as long as he keeps them in the first layer of his hangar. (not in a container or something, tho this is speculation on my part) He also got his 'service'.
If John Doe decides (look up the meaning of that word if you are confused about this issue) to try and make more ISK of them then he paid for them. John Doe just decided to use those PLEX' as trade commodity.
Now please give me ONE good reason, why this trade commodity should have a special status, while the service the original 'creator' of the PLEX is provided.
CCP didn't code it so that you can loose your PLEX if you dont decide to make it vulnerable by undocking it.
All very well said, CCP has also made various statements that eve is a sandbox etc etc.
My only question here is / was CCP motivated to make Plex's movable BECAUSE they were hoping for situations like this.
If a plex is in a cargo hold, there is a 50/50 chance it will get destroyed. Win / Win situation for CCP imo.....
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D00M.
Excessum Messor
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:57:00 -
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lol @ people whining and *****ing at CCP for "stealing". The only difference between a 330mil PLEX and a CN invuln is that you can convert the former to RL money (gametime). Get a grip.
Nice kill, Privateers/0rphans (and nice drama bomb)
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ori Blake
It depends how he bought the plex. If with ISK, the PLEX was honored already: the original user got his ISK for them. Only if he bought them with cash and was going to sell them would he have a claim, but chances are he'd be chargebacking CCP for them as we speak, and it would be a toss-up whether the rationales people give on forum would be seen the same way by a CC company.
With ISK though it's just like buying a ship, they aren't obligated to provide the goods if they get destroyed. CCP wins, original seller wins, buyer loses.
Except, of course, you don't buy PLEX with money. You buy GTC's with money. You could conceivably get a refund for a GTC. They are not destructible in game. They are not an in game item. They have a real world value.
You get a PLEX either by spending valueless in game currency, or by making the conscious decision to turn the GTC into 2 valueless (destructable, stealable, lootable) in game items. They no longer have a monetary value, and are not refundable.
If these PLEX had dropped and the attacking pilots had picked them up (or anyone else for that matter) would that have made you happy that CCP was having to reimburse them? Or would you be accusing those pilots of actual theft?
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:01:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Ori Blake
It depends how he bought the plex. If with ISK, the PLEX was honored already: the original user got his ISK for them. Only if he bought them with cash and was going to sell them would he have a claim, but chances are he'd be chargebacking CCP for them as we speak, and it would be a toss-up whether the rationales people give on forum would be seen the same way by a CC company.
With ISK though it's just like buying a ship, they aren't obligated to provide the goods if they get destroyed. CCP wins, original seller wins, buyer loses.
Except, of course, you don't buy PLEX with money. You buy GTC's with money. You could conceivably get a refund for a GTC. They are not destructible in game. They are not an in game item. They have a real world value.
You get a PLEX either by spending valueless in game currency, or by making the conscious decision to turn the GTC into 2 valueless (destructable, stealable, lootable) in game items. They no longer have a monetary value, and are not refundable.
If these PLEX had dropped and the attacking pilots had picked them up (or anyone else for that matter) would that have made you happy that CCP was having to reimburse them? Or would you be accusing those pilots of actual theft?
If CCP made PLEXs drop 100% of the time, we would be happy and stop rage-posting on threads like these. I don't care about individual pilots, I only care if CCP is removing value from the playerbase as a whole. The Orphanage can have all the PLEXs in game for all I care.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:03:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Cap II
Originally by: Ranger 1
It's not destroyable if you don't undock with it. There is absolutely no reason to undock with PLEXs in your cargo...especially that many of them. For all we know he could've done that to spark this very thread.
Sure, PLEX are generated from RL cash, but people shouldn't be stupid enough to undock with a bunch of them.
Close, but not quite.
GTC's are generated from RL cash.
PLEX are generated from the conscious decision to turn that GTC into two game items that are destructible and have no RL value.
CCP, could you please make it so that we cannot undock. Otherwise we might get our pixels injured.
YOU MUST PROTECT US FROM OURSELVES. WE CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN BAD IN GAME DECISIONS
You are completely stupid if you actually believe this. Exchange rates are always a two way street regardless of whether or not the powers that be sanction it. Black markets are still markets and every single in game item has some sort of real world monetary value. This concept is called opportunity cost and you should look into it.
So tell me, my friend, what legal means do you employ to turn PLEX into RL currency?
And if you are referring to illegal means, perhaps you should chose your words carefully. 
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:07:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Ori Blake
It depends how he bought the plex. If with ISK, the PLEX was honored already: the original user got his ISK for them. Only if he bought them with cash and was going to sell them would he have a claim, but chances are he'd be chargebacking CCP for them as we speak, and it would be a toss-up whether the rationales people give on forum would be seen the same way by a CC company.
With ISK though it's just like buying a ship, they aren't obligated to provide the goods if they get destroyed. CCP wins, original seller wins, buyer loses.
Except, of course, you don't buy PLEX with money. You buy GTC's with money. You could conceivably get a refund for a GTC. They are not destructible in game. They are not an in game item. They have a real world value.
You get a PLEX either by spending valueless in game currency, or by making the conscious decision to turn the GTC into 2 valueless (destructable, stealable, lootable) in game items. They no longer have a monetary value, and are not refundable.
If these PLEX had dropped and the attacking pilots had picked them up (or anyone else for that matter) would that have made you happy that CCP was having to reimburse them? Or would you be accusing those pilots of actual theft?
If CCP made PLEXs drop 100% of the time, we would be happy and stop rage-posting on threads like these. I don't care about individual pilots, I only care if CCP is removing value from the playerbase as a whole. The Orphanage can have all the PLEXs in game for all I care.
That "value" was removed when the item was converted to a PLEX... and CCP had nothing to do with that. That was purely a player decision. A PLEX has zero legal real world value, the same as any other in game item.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Incognito
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Would have been a nice drop, too bad that CCP set the drop chance for that item to ABSOLUTELY ZERO
I would like to nip this in the but, PLEX drop just like any other cargo using exactly the same rules. If the PLEX are in a can and the can doesn't drop as loot then everything in the can doesn't drop as loot.
In this case it was one role of the die and the can didn't drop, so bye bye all the contents.
No offense but Plex is the one in game item that means income for CCP, so I wouldn't be surprised if the code was tweaked in the company's favor.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ressiv on 08/08/2010 23:15:10
Originally by: Cap II
You are completely stupid if you actually believe this. Exchange rates are always a two way street regardless of whether or not the powers that be sanction it. Black markets are still markets and every single in game item has some sort of real world monetary value. This concept is called opportunity cost and you should look into it.
You should ask your economy teacher for a refresher before you lecture people.
The opportunity cost of a particular choice is the next best alternative that you would have chosen. This is the thing you give up in order to obtain the thing you choose.
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Brannor McThife
Caldari
Brotherhood of the Ancients
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:15:00 -
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First off, the pilot was rather silly...but that's another discussion.
Sky Marshal earlier raised a valid point in that PLEX is not "like any other ingame item". Any item that you can buy with ISK comes from NPCs or from production of items from blueprints, loot drops, etc.
I've never heard of a PLEX entering the game via NPCs or via mining - imagine the scene, popping a roid and there lies a golden can of plex...  )
So, they are unique in the properties they have - the sole legal way of purchasing ingame value for RL cash. To make it truly like other items, and not a special case, two things need to happen:
1) PLEX needs to be seeded, however rarely, into the game as a item drop, or heaven forbid, something that can be manufactured from BPO / BPC - yes, the mineral / item requirements can add up to rough market value of 300mil ISK.
2) The EvE store needs to be expanded and allow you to purchase actual ingame items. So if I'm stuck in deep 0.0 without a decent ship, I should be able to login to the store quick and purchase a carrier or even a Titan and buy it with RL money. After all, and please get this point - if a PLEX is not special, then all other items should exude the same/similar properties as PLEX. It is not a mono-directional relationship.
Anyway. As said before. Until PLEX becomes a true ingame item whose only entry point into the game is to magically spawn in your hangar, then it is a special case item, unique in its properties.
Note, at no point did I say that CCP is being underhanded, etc. I am merely saying that they need to follow through on their "It's not a special case item" and actually make it so.
That is all.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:16:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Aerilis
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Ori Blake
It depends how he bought the plex. If with ISK, the PLEX was honored already: the original user got his ISK for them. Only if he bought them with cash and was going to sell them would he have a claim, but chances are he'd be chargebacking CCP for them as we speak, and it would be a toss-up whether the rationales people give on forum would be seen the same way by a CC company.
With ISK though it's just like buying a ship, they aren't obligated to provide the goods if they get destroyed. CCP wins, original seller wins, buyer loses.
Except, of course, you don't buy PLEX with money. You buy GTC's with money. You could conceivably get a refund for a GTC. They are not destructible in game. They are not an in game item. They have a real world value.
You get a PLEX either by spending valueless in game currency, or by making the conscious decision to turn the GTC into 2 valueless (destructable, stealable, lootable) in game items. They no longer have a monetary value, and are not refundable.
If these PLEX had dropped and the attacking pilots had picked them up (or anyone else for that matter) would that have made you happy that CCP was having to reimburse them? Or would you be accusing those pilots of actual theft?
If CCP made PLEXs drop 100% of the time, we would be happy and stop rage-posting on threads like these. I don't care about individual pilots, I only care if CCP is removing value from the playerbase as a whole. The Orphanage can have all the PLEXs in game for all I care.
That "value" was removed when the item was converted to a PLEX... and CCP had nothing to do with that. That was purely a player decision. A PLEX has zero legal real world value, the same as any other in game item.
I think you will find that the method of how things are done doesnt mean anything.
What matters is that CCP created a CONTRACT of service, that contract is legal and binding. CCP is duty bound by law to honour that contract to the best of their ability and if they cannot are subject to being sued and potentially put out of business for failure to honour the contract.
The mechanic for the loss of the contract was a failure of duty by CCP to honour the contract to the best of their ability. All any player should have to do is provide proof they were the last legal owner of the contract and it is down to CCP to honour it.
Quite simply the loss of the in game item was CCP problem not anyone elses pure and simple. It is down to CCP to provide the mechanics where the contract can be honoured not provide a mechanic whereby the contract can be destroyed.
It's illegal IMHO.
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