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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:07:00 -
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Oh just admit it. You MD guys needed this. Its been terribly boring in here lately.
As a side note ill be checking in later to add my "lol".
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 12/08/2010 18:44:40
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro We cannot blame reporters for not knowing how banking work, unless of course they are expert MD members, which seems not be the case.
If you don't know wtf you are writing about then just DON'T write about the subject or get someone in who does have any comprehension.This was not newsworthy and if it turns out he scammed the only thing that is newsworthy about it is the coverage about it.
Originally by: Julius Rigel So the deposit I made is finally on my balance sheet, but the interest for the past three days is nowhere to be found...
According to their info page on their forums :'Because of the heavy increase in membership requests we have initiated a temporary policy of compounding interest rates at the end of the month instead of daily to lessen the work load we're currently experiencing'.
Ow boy ....
what forum?
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 12/08/2010 18:44:40
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro We cannot blame reporters for not knowing how banking work, unless of course they are expert MD members, which seems not be the case.
If you don't know wtf you are writing about then just DON'T write about the subject or get someone in who does have any comprehension.This was not newsworthy and if it turns out he scammed the only thing that is newsworthy about it is the coverage about it.
Originally by: Julius Rigel So the deposit I made is finally on my balance sheet, but the interest for the past three days is nowhere to be found...
According to their info page on their forums :'Because of the heavy increase in membership requests we have initiated a temporary policy of compounding interest rates at the end of the month instead of daily to lessen the work load we're currently experiencing'.
Ow boy ....
what forum?
with that i meant their website , it's got a news section.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 12/08/2010 20:22:03
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
You are right. However, this means that they should have known *from the beginning* this was a dangerous subject and they seem have stepped right into a trap whithout realizing the dangers.
But therein lays the problem: They could have known, I've they at least read this very thread, which they linked in there news article. Page 1 of this thread, was almost filled at the time the article appeared. And there already were a lot of concerns raised and questions asked on that page.
Not to mention all the numerous "How to? Banks in EVE"-threads in this forum over the last year, which were stimulated by the happenings around DBANK and EBANK.
At the very least, they could have written the article in a much more cautious tone so as to make potential investors aware of the involved risks. Perhaps that was their aim when asking Chribba about his thoughts on banking in EVE. But the way they formulated it, didn't make that clear enough/at all.
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Now this thread is going from "a new bank in eve" to "IC is unable to report" would you propose creating a separate thread devoted just to reporting?
The outcome - or earning - from this potential scam is directly related to that IC news. It is my guess that if this venture's "PR" solely consisted of this MD thread (and perhaps that random local spamming), the amount of ISK potentially lost would be a lot lower.
Also note that there's still no answer from anyone willing to identify himself as staff of that bank. If any bank should have learned something from previous/current ones, it's that communication is king. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Carl Stewart
Blueprints For You
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Carl Stewart on 12/08/2010 20:26:28
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro ...
You are right. However, this means that they should have known *from the beginning* this was a dangerous subject and they seem have stepped right into a trap whithout realizing the dangers.
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If they have been playing eve at all, ever been to jita and read local, combined with the 'business plan' of the bank presented here they sure should have known this was not a dangerous subject, but a scam, plain and simple. To do an article about it is quite poor, imho. Researched Blueprints for you, Ammo, Fighters, Drones and Ships |
cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:31:00 -
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I made a nice anti ISD post on General Discussion, For Your Enjoyment.
The really funny thing is that ISD made a post and was quietly removed, but captured on Chribba's site (ftw) in all its glory.
ISD Phantom Post
Note the comment above about ISD comments regurlarly appearing in forums and then disappearing, well that couldn't be more true!
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: ISD Serathu Ashk on 12/08/2010 20:37:40
Originally by: cosmoray I made a nice anti ISD post on General Discussion, For Your Enjoyment.
The really funny thing is that ISD made a post and was quietly removed, but captured on Chribba's site (ftw) in all its glory.
ISD Phantom Post
Note the comment above about ISD comments regurlarly appearing in forums and then disappearing, well that couldn't be more true!
I have already replied to the thread in question regarding the missing post.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:03:00 -
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Posting to confirm that this thread will now become a threadnaught!
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Intigo
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shoot2kilI I somehow missed the 4-5 pages. Idk how. Anywho. Someone just made off with 3B. Let's all act surprised. I'll get my costume.
Wait, what? ___________________
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:00:00 -
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Half way through the first page I made popcorn, but that just didn't hit the spot. So I made waffles!
That is all.
Patri
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Megalift
Omni Tech Engineering Needless Friends
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Posted - 2010.08.13 03:48:00 -
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I hope others are having better luck with these guys communicating with you cuz I have send evemail after evemail over a dispute and have not gotten a reply. I have even try to convo the teller TheBankofEve and get no response.
My issues is I sent 137,660,000.00 isk on the 10th at 04:14 to open an account per thier web site. This isk was send from my corp account and was to be for my corporation savings. Ive than sent an evemail stating that this was for opening my corp account. The replied with the log in for my account. This account to this day has a balance of 0.00 isk. I have sent evemail after evemail asking to have my balance updated. I am very disappointed in their manner of cx service.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.13 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Megalift I hope others are having better luck with these guys communicating with you cuz I have send evemail after evemail over a dispute and have not gotten a reply. I have even try to convo the teller TheBankofEve and get no response.
My issues is I sent 137,660,000.00 isk on the 10th at 04:14 to open an account per thier web site. This isk was send from my corp account and was to be for my corporation savings. Ive than sent an evemail stating that this was for opening my corp account. The replied with the log in for my account. This account to this day has a balance of 0.00 isk. I have sent evemail after evemail asking to have my balance updated. I am very disappointed in their manner of cx service.
I hope your trolling, as the bank is a scam
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.13 03:54:00 -
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So I guess the question now is: scam, or gross mismanagement?
(And the implied question would be: is there really a quantifiable difference?)
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.08.13 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I made a nice anti ISD post on General Discussion, For Your Enjoyment.
The really funny thing is that ISD made a post and was quietly removed, but captured on Chribba's site (ftw) in all its glory.
ISD Phantom Post
Note the comment above about ISD comments regurlarly appearing in forums and then disappearing, well that couldn't be more true!
What's with all the hate all of a sudden? The IC spend years and years posting bull manure on the front page and in the help channels with their pretentious colored posts and all of a sudden it's 112 and it becomes a problem for you guys?
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Lucyna
Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.08.13 05:24:00 -
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I think the most epic of all epic was when one of their own called Liang a scammer. It was quite beautiful to behold.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.13 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lucyna Edited by: Lucyna on 13/08/2010 05:31:22 I think the most epic of all epic was when one of their own called Liang a scammer. It was quite beautiful to behold.
Edit: You know the funny thing about it? I think that there is a small chance that the bank creators' intentions weren't bad. The lashing that they got from us plus the free "deposits" they got from the ISD news probably made them reconsider actually taking the time to run their bank, and in its stead, just take all the money and run. It's just a guess.
There were only two possibilities.
1. It was a quick low level scam. The low level alt bs points to it. The crap site points to it.
2. It was intended to atleast get to start up to to see if it worked with the option to scam later, i.e. They were going to scam big time. The low level alts point to it. The crap site points to it.
Guys these tools are feeding off all of your desires to see **** like this work. There is only one way i would invest in stuff like this.
1. The person has atleast 50m sp's and not be a station alt. Must have considerable pvp skills so i know they undock.
2. Full backing by one of two people in game i trust. Chribba or grendell. Others might work like cosmo, F90, akita, darkness/ whatever but my two are my choice.
3. Collateral coverage along with a plan worth a ****.
4. Atleast one name of a friend ingame verified not to be connected to the party with over 25m in pvp skillages so i can make sure they will need to sell their characters when im done.
You do those 4 things and ill invest in some bank.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.13 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
1. Must have considerable pvp skills so i know they undock.
That means crap and you know it. Hell now people at least know what to shoot for to you to invest in a bank. Just train nothing but PvP skills and never undock.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.13 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 13/08/2010 16:36:01 Edited by: Jovialmadness on 13/08/2010 16:32:31
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Jovialmadness
1. Must have considerable pvp skills so i know they undock.
That means crap and you know it. Hell now people at least know what to shoot for to you to invest in a bank. Just train nothing but PvP skills and never undock.
Hehe absolutely!
But good luck with number 2 lol.
I guess my point is id never invest in a bank seeing as how all 4 options satisfied would be near impossible.
Edit2: first edit died. Impossible might not be the right word. Worthless is better. Reason being anybody able to start a bank would be 1. Established 2. Supported 3. Insanely wealthy 4. Willing to offer a friend as a sacrifice.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.13 17:09:00 -
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I am becoming appreciative of this scam as time goes by.
Although ISD does not endorse what they write, by placing on the logon screen it psychologically implies that it is endorsed by CCP/ISD. By quoting Chribba that is the cherry on the cake.
The real work of genius is to get ISD to report this story. If it had remained solely an MD launch it would have got the death it deserves, but the ISD report is a fantastic manipulation. ISD interviewed one of the perps on July 28th, which is well before the official launch although there may have been a heads up MD thread (can't remember). I wonder who's idea it was to get Chribba input? The bank or ISD?
This is a great social manipulation, and ISD fell for it. Guerilla marketing at its finest.
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Kimbeau Surveryor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.13 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Originally by: Kimbeau Surveryor CCP really should put a heading on the news column of the log-in screen, to make it clear ... this is not "official" news.
I understand that you might want to protect new players from scam, this is noble. I believe however that would be a wrong thing to do, as IC (Interstellar Correspondents != ISD as a whole) are the *official* ingame source of news by definition. Would you propose founding a player driven Ingame NewsAgency? Or do you propose that CCP takes the matter all in its hands
I think a simple change to the "News" heading to something like "Capsuleers' News Reports" should be all that's needed. If you want to be more explicit, a sentence at the bottom of the column along the lines of "The views expressed in this column are not necessarily those of the management". Except of course some of them are the views of the management, to further confuse the unwary. :-)
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Shelley09
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Posted - 2010.08.13 18:02:00 -
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I just wanted to ask if an investment was possible, and what security measures are but in place.
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velinqangi
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Posted - 2010.08.13 18:45:00 -
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Well as I see it, it all boils down to a bank needing full CCP backing. I feel a fully functional bank would do wonders for gameplay, and is a very worthy project for CCP to endorse. Would love to hear more input from the devs on this mess that is eve banking..
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.13 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: velinqangi Well as I see it, it all boils down to a bank needing full CCP backing. I feel a fully functional bank would do wonders for gameplay, and is a very worthy project for CCP to endorse. Would love to hear more input from the devs on this mess that is eve banking..
They never will, if I have to explain why that is then you haven't fully considered what you're suggesting. Projects Blog |
flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.13 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I am becoming appreciative of this scam as time goes by.
Although ISD does not endorse what they write, by placing on the logon screen it psychologically implies that it is endorsed by CCP/ISD. By quoting Chribba that is the cherry on the cake.
The real work of genius is to get ISD to report this story. If it had remained solely an MD launch it would have got the death it deserves, but the ISD report is a fantastic manipulation. ISD interviewed one of the perps on July 28th, which is well before the official launch although there may have been a heads up MD thread (can't remember). I wonder who's idea it was to get Chribba input? The bank or ISD?
This is a great social manipulation, and ISD fell for it. Guerilla marketing at its finest.
I think you're really giving him more credit then he deserves.Looks more like he had a scam idea and met the right guy at the right place who made the right article for him.Who knows he might just be spamming jita local about having a bank running and linking his own webpage and the newsguy just happends to be in jita seeing it and openeing up a convo with him after wich he gives the usuall jita scammer smoothtalk.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.08.13 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I am becoming appreciative of this scam as time goes by.
Although ISD does not endorse what they write, by placing on the logon screen it psychologically implies that it is endorsed by CCP/ISD. By quoting Chribba that is the cherry on the cake.
The real work of genius is to get ISD to report this story. If it had remained solely an MD launch it would have got the death it deserves, but the ISD report is a fantastic manipulation. ISD interviewed one of the perps on July 28th, which is well before the official launch although there may have been a heads up MD thread (can't remember). I wonder who's idea it was to get Chribba input? The bank or ISD?
This is a great social manipulation, and ISD fell for it. Guerilla marketing at its finest.
I was contacted by ISD to comment on this new "competition" for EBANK and decided not to respond, although I did post about it in the EBANK thread. I'm glad I didn't comment because who knows how much worse this could have been...
"Look there, Amarr Citizen approves of this new bank and isn't he a part of that other fine example of Eve banking success! Where do I send all my isk?"
A truly dangerous situation indeed. Luckily it was only Chribba who was misrepresented.
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Zea Aestria
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Posted - 2010.08.13 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
The real work of genius is to get ISD to report this story.
This is a great social manipulation, and ISD fell for it.
Has anyone considered the possibility that the ISD reporter was planted by the scammer, or is even an alt of the scammer? I admit that I haven't done any research on what it takes to become an ISD reporter, or what is involved in vetting/editing articles before publication by ISD, but I'm just throwing this out there.
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Kimbeau Surveryor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.13 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zea Aestria
Originally by: cosmoray
The real work of genius is to get ISD to report this story.
This is a great social manipulation, and ISD fell for it.
Has anyone considered the possibility that the ISD reporter was planted by the scammer, or is even an alt of the scammer? I admit that I haven't done any research on what it takes to become an ISD reporter, or what is involved in vetting/editing articles before publication by ISD, but I'm just throwing this out there.
LOL That would make this quite a classic Eve scam!
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.13 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zea Aestria
Originally by: cosmoray
The real work of genius is to get ISD to report this story.
This is a great social manipulation, and ISD fell for it.
Has anyone considered the possibility that the ISD reporter was planted by the scammer, or is even an alt of the scammer? I admit that I haven't done any research on what it takes to become an ISD reporter, or what is involved in vetting/editing articles before publication by ISD, but I'm just throwing this out there.
The IC reporter was not "planted" and has been a reporter for over a year now, something a quick check of the in-game character would show. Indeed, becoming an IC reporter takes an application, two interviews, quite a lot of checking and an NDA, among other things - not something that happens particularly quickly.
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Lucyna
Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.08.13 23:31:00 -
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He doth spoketh in my MD! Welcome ISD Serathu! Are you here to clean up the mess ISD started? Good luck!
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.14 00:40:00 -
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ISD Serathu Ashk, you said earlier that you will respond to the criticism at an appropriate time and place. When you do, could you make your response a bit broader and take a paragraph or two to explain what selection criteria ISD uses for news items? (In general, not just for this particular case.)
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