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SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.09.01 19:40:00 - [211] Originally by: Elena Vherokia Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Elena Vherokia So whats your issue? That, as mentioned all the back at the beginning, your complaint boils down to you wanting to protect your easy-mode, and is upset that you now have competition. I'll grant you that complaining about a new "easy mode" is a very clever way of arguing for the preservation of your own, but at least be honest about it. Trolls make up arguments - hence why I call you a Troll. I say: its overall too easy. Its true so dont complain boi. Yes, we all know what your opinion is. What this thread has established is that nobody cares about your opinion. Repeating your opinion does not increase its value. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.01 19:43:00 - [212] Originally by: Elena Vherokia So what for you No. Just answer the question for once: so what? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ankbar	Posted - 2010.09.01 19:47:00 - [213] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Elena Vherokia So what for you No. Just answer the question for once: so what? You sure don't like answering direct questions with facts, Elena.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:18:00 - [214] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Originally by: Elena Vherokia Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Elena Vherokia So whats your issue? That, as mentioned all the back at the beginning, your complaint boils down to you wanting to protect your easy-mode, and is upset that you now have competition. I'll grant you that complaining about a new "easy mode" is a very clever way of arguing for the preservation of your own, but at least be honest about it. Trolls make up arguments - hence why I call you a Troll. I say: its overall too easy. Its true so dont complain boi. Yes, we all know what your opinion is. What this thread has established is that nobody cares about your opinion. Repeating your opinion does not increase its value. If you wouldnt care, you wouldnt post.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:21:00 - [215] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Elena Vherokia So what for you No. Just answer the question for once: so what? I never answered any of your questions because "Tippia starts good but is just a Troll in the end". So what :) Before I forget: scannign is too easy.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:22:00 - [216] Originally by: Elena Vherokia If you wouldnt care, you wouldnt post. Obvious troll is obvious.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:27:00 - [217] Originally by: Ankbar You sure don't like answering direct questions with facts, Elena. I dont answer Tippia simply since Tippia is a Troll like app. 10 other ops already confirmed. Apart from that I neither value your opinion in regards to exploration as an experts statement nor in other regards out of game (the ones you raised). That wasnt a secret of the trade. You simply neglected to accept that its true - your choice not mine :)
Sendraks The Spice Weasels Must Flow	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:56:00 - [218] wonders if this thread should be renamed "Elena Vherokia's Troll Masterclass Because you're doing some epic trolling here Elena. I wonder how long you can keep it up?
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:59:00 - [219] Edited by: Elena Vherokia on 01/09/2010 21:01:11 Originally by: Sendraks wonders if this thread should be renamed "Elena Vherokia's Troll Masterclass Because you're doing some epic trolling here Elena. I wonder how long you can keep it up? Flaming Trolls? Daily :) - never stops, I laughed about Tippia 2 years ago and I still do :) Apart from that Trolls never stop to amaze me with their stubborness. EDIT: and yes, I am aware you were looking for a "seemingly intelligent way" to call me a Troll - got enough of that kind in here so hush.
Sendraks The Spice Weasels Must Flow	Posted - 2010.09.01 21:09:00 - [220] I am impressed. Either you are a supreme troll or your levels of self denial about your behaviour are borderline psychotic.

Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.01 22:11:00 - [221] Originally by: Sendraks I am impressed. Either you are a supreme troll or your levels of self denial about your behaviour are borderline psychotic. Cant argue so need to be personal - you are a genius.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.01 23:44:00 - [222] Time for a short Troll summary: - Tippia makes nice isk with lvl3-4 skills and tries to derange this thread since Tippia is afraid to loose her coolness income stream. - Ankbar pulled the grammar and spelling card on a fine post, but failed to spell grammar correctly. Apart from that Ankbar has as much experience in exploration as Stavros was a PvE-Carebear (at least Ankbar now knows that Virtue implants exist). - TheMahdi still spills his words with as much expertise as a teen girl having her first period. - Sendraks tries to sound intelligent by deploying the term "borderline psychotic" whereas the term itself shows he doesnt know what it means. Apart from that... - SurrenderMonkey doesnt care about my opinion. In fact he disregards it so much that he steadily needs to post. - I missed some but those were boring. Some call it hostility - I now call it once more: bull** detection. Since that is exactly what those people added (while trying to sell bull** as arguments or solid facts).
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.01 23:52:00 - [223] Edited by: Elena Vherokia on 01/09/2010 23:53:05 Thread summary - the content: 1. Scanning is overall too easy. Average skills (+ some top-notch equipment) are sufficient to scan any site. Non-bonused ships offer way too much scanning capabilities. It is still being argued what the breaking point shall be. 2. The interface has shortcommings. Personally I consider the interface clumsy and out of place. Something most answers objected while still agreeing it needs "tuning". Nonethless most agreed: change is direly needed. OP might fraps a vid since the discussion here still "rages". 3. Opinions are split on the difficulty + risk vs reward euqation. Still this deserves a different thread.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.09.02 02:30:00 - [224] I agree, the skill level needed for exploration scanning is too low. I remember spending a lot of time to train skills to do exploration and then, BAM. CCP lowers the level's needed for exploration and makes it easy for a 3 day old newb player to train. Supposedly because of adding W-systems to eve and trying to introduce more PvP action in low/0.0 systems. I like the new scanning interface over all even though it still needs to be made a little bit more user friendly. The bottom line about the color of the dots doesn't really matter. 100% signal strength showing in the scan results box is what's needed before you can warp to the location. I'd have to say I'm 50% with you on this post.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.02 07:03:00 - [225] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson I agree, the skill level needed for exploration scanning is too low. I remember spending a lot of time to train skills to do exploration and then, BAM. CCP lowers the level's needed for exploration and makes it easy for a 3 day old newb player to train. Supposedly because of adding W-systems to eve and trying to introduce more PvP action in low/0.0 systems. I like the new scanning interface over all even though it still needs to be made a little bit more user friendly. The bottom line about the color of the dots doesn't really matter. 100% signal strength showing in the scan results box is what's needed before you can warp to the location. I'd have to say I'm 50% with you on this post. Please tune the summary in my last post so you agree with it. I am sure we find something. Please keep in mind that CCP is changing exploration as we speak - even though there is no official statement here on boards - .
Sendraks The Spice Weasels Must Flow	Posted - 2010.09.02 09:36:00 - [226] Originally by: Elena Vherokia Cant argue so need to be personal - you Sir - you are a genius. There is no point in arguing with you as you are not interested in any opinion that deviates even slightly from your own. So what would be the point? Really I just think you should stop. And from your later post, it is pretty clear I understand psychosis a good deal better than you do. Which isn't saying much, as I doubt you understand it at all.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:04:00 - [227] Edited by: Elena Vherokia on 02/09/2010 11:04:35 Originally by: Sendraks And from your later post, it is pretty clear I understand psychosis a good deal better than you do. Which isn't saying much, as I doubt you understand it at all. Bull** detector.... check - bull** detected: by now "borderline psychotic" = psychosis. There a starting point for your self-finding process, Wikipedia says: Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, understanding, reason, wit, or sense. You Sir are stupid in its original meaning.
heheheh Ecliptic Refuge	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:08:00 - [228] Although i agree with it being to easy, i wouldnt want to go back to the old method of placing each probe individually.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:35:00 - [229] Edited by: Elena Vherokia on 02/09/2010 11:35:46 Originally by: heheheh Although i agree with it being to easy, i wouldnt want to go back to the old method of placing each probe individually. None asked for that (going back to placing each probe individually) :) So we both fully agree.
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:51:00 - [230] On a sidenote how often did I answer to alts of "same posters"? So far its 2 I found.

Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:07:00 - [231] At this point, does anyone else want to trap the OP in a C6 wormhole, with low end probing equipment and hear him complain later about how hard it was to get out?
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:17:00 - [232] Edited by: Elena Vherokia on 02/09/2010 12:27:02 Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia At this point, does anyone else want to trap the OP in a C6 wormhole, with low end probing equipment and hear him complain later about how hard it was to get out? Cant you answer with wits and intelligence :( - I mean, just try - once, only once.... purrrrty please? PS: I won this thread anyway since CCP changed exploration the past few days and still does as we speak. Answers by Lady Aye, checkers, MahdiTrolls and the like are just the cherries on my pie. Thank you for adding the noise I needed. After all thats what I needed you for. PPS: Did the math on my current clone with low end equipment - I easily get out of a C6 :P
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:28:00 - [233] Originally by: Elena Vherokia Thread summary - the content: 1. Scanning is overall too easy. Average skills (+ some top-notch equipment) are sufficient to scan any site. Non-bonused ships offer way too much scanning capabilities. It is still being argued what the breaking point shall be. 2. The interface has shortcommings. Personally I consider the interface clumsy and out of place. Something most answers objected while still agreeing it needs "tuning". Nonethless most agreed: change is direly needed. OP might fraps a vid since the discussion here still "rages". 3. Opinions are split on the difficulty + risk vs reward euqation. Still this deserves a different thread. So what? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:31:00 - [234] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Elena Vherokia Thread summary - the content: 1. Scanning is overall too easy. Average skills (+ some top-notch equipment) are sufficient to scan any site. Non-bonused ships offer way too much scanning capabilities. It is still being argued what the breaking point shall be. 2. The interface has shortcommings. Personally I consider the interface clumsy and out of place. Something most answers objected while still agreeing it needs "tuning". Nonethless most agreed: change is direly needed. OP might fraps a vid since the discussion here still "rages". 3. Opinions are split on the difficulty + risk vs reward euqation. Still this deserves a different thread. So what? Hush cave is closing soon. Trolls are meant to be for lunch atm.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:39:00 - [235] In other words, you have absolutely no argument to support your position. Is that it? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Elena Vherokia Silent Service Limited	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:17:00 - [236] Originally by: Tippia In other words, you have absolutely no argument to support your position. Is that it? Dearest Tippia, on every page you forget what you are :) I pitty you but help you once more: Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Originally by: Tippia Originally by: KiLLeR21 Especially in Motsu. Found your problem. Quote: Now to be... <snip> Amazing, starts off being ok and helpful and then turns into a total ass troll. It seems this happens most of the time.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:46:00 - [237] Answer the question. You can answer it, can't you? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:47:00 - [238] Originally by: Elena Vherokia PS: I won this thread anyway since CCP changed exploration the past few days and still does as we speak. PPS: Did the math on my current clone with low end equipment - I easily get out of a C6 :P I'll bite... what change was made? I haven't noticed anything being mentioned at all. As for the math... in theory yes, you would have the skills. In practice, you try scanning down 14 Cosmic Anomalies, not knowing which is which in the C6, knowing that the WH out most likely leads to a C5 or C4, and you have to probe another 10+ sites to find the next WH out. I'm not saying it might not be fun, but it takes time.
oolk Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:43:00 - [239] What is a waypost??
Sendraks The Spice Weasels Must Flow	Posted - 2010.09.02 15:28:00 - [240] Originally by: Elena Vherokia Bull** detector.... check - bull** detected: by now "borderline psychotic" = psychosis. Well my idiot detector just went into overdrive. As I expected, you have no idea about psychosis, otherwise you would not have written this or preceded to provide an inappropriate link to wikipedia for no readily explainable reason (other than some form of psychosis, the same which is driving this thread). What I can't grasp is why you're doing this or what you think you're going to get out of it, other than to be made to look increasingly foolish.



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